On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 05:44:43 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
>>> >>
>>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
>>> >
>>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
>>> >is based.
>>> The butter industry?
>>
>>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
>>
>>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
>
>Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
>after all!" movement comes from.

Everything they said seemed more than accurate, backed up with photos
of people walking streets prior to that and now, striking the level of
obesity now.

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 7:48:15 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 05:44:43 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
> >>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
> >>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
> >>> >
> >>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
> >>> >is based.
> >>> The butter industry?
> >>
> >>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
> >>
> >>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
> >
> >Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
> >after all!" movement comes from.
> Everything they said seemed more than accurate,

Based on your extensive scientific research background?

> backed up with photos
> of people walking streets prior to that and now, striking the level of
> obesity now.

Photos are anecdotes, not data.

Since agriculture took off as a way to reliably put more food into hungry
bellies, most people have eaten a lot of carbohydrates, and they have
always sought to refine those carbohydrates. Perhaps the modern problem
with obesity isn't just one thing. Perhaps it's the plain and simple fact that
we are not evolved to have an abundance of available calories at the
expense of very little effort.

Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz might be right, but Hyman has no credentials
as a researcher and Teicholz is a journalist. They have found a way to monetize
their fringe medical beliefs.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:09:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 7:48:15 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 05:44:43 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>> >>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>> >>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
>> >>> >is based.
>> >>> The butter industry?
>> >>
>> >>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
>> >>
>> >>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
>> >
>> >Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
>> >after all!" movement comes from.
>> Everything they said seemed more than accurate,
>
>Based on your extensive scientific research background?
>
>> backed up with photos
>> of people walking streets prior to that and now, striking the level of
>> obesity now.
>
>Photos are anecdotes, not data.
>
>Since agriculture took off as a way to reliably put more food into hungry
>bellies, most people have eaten a lot of carbohydrates, and they have
>always sought to refine those carbohydrates. Perhaps the modern problem
>with obesity isn't just one thing. Perhaps it's the plain and simple fact that
>we are not evolved to have an abundance of available calories at the
>expense of very little effort.

"Based on your extensive scientific research background?" Just saying
;-)


You just disqualified yourself by implying 'calories' are all the
same, regardless of the type or source.


>Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz might be right, but Hyman has no credentials
>as a researcher and Teicholz is a journalist. They have found a way to monetize
>their fringe medical beliefs.


Jesus Christ. It's been long established now, since circa 2012 I
think, (including by some US government. authorities) that saturated
fats are not harmful (in sensible quantities) and refined carbs are
problematic.

I dont know nor care who Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz are either.


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On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 4:22:34 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:09:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 7:48:15 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 05:44:43 +1100, Bruce >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> >>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >> >>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
> >> >>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
> >> >>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
> >> >>> >is based.
> >> >>> The butter industry?
> >> >>
> >> >>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
> >> >>
> >> >>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
> >> >after all!" movement comes from.
> >> Everything they said seemed more than accurate,
> >
> >Based on your extensive scientific research background?
> >
> >> backed up with photos
> >> of people walking streets prior to that and now, striking the level of
> >> obesity now.
> >
> >Photos are anecdotes, not data.
> >
> >Since agriculture took off as a way to reliably put more food into hungry
> >bellies, most people have eaten a lot of carbohydrates, and they have
> >always sought to refine those carbohydrates. Perhaps the modern problem
> >with obesity isn't just one thing. Perhaps it's the plain and simple fact that
> >we are not evolved to have an abundance of available calories at the
> >expense of very little effort.
> "Based on your extensive scientific research background?" Just saying
> ;-)
>
> You just disqualified yourself by implying 'calories' are all the
> same, regardless of the type or source.

It depends what you're looking at. If it's obesity, then there isn't a lot
of difference. Although the body reacts somewhat differently to carbs
versus fats (and will adjust its metabolism), thermodynamics always wins.
If you eat more calories than you burn, you will gain weight.

If you're looking at serum cholesterol, then it looks like there is a difference.

Fine distinctions matter.

> >Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz might be right, but Hyman has no credentials
> >as a researcher and Teicholz is a journalist. They have found a way to monetize
> >their fringe medical beliefs.
> Jesus Christ. It's been long established now, since circa 2012 I
> think, (including by some US government. authorities) that saturated
> fats are not harmful (in sensible quantities) and refined carbs are
> problematic.

What are "sensible quantities"? How problematic are refined carbs? If
a person eats white bread every day? Once a year? A pound of bacon
every day? I recall an anecdote where a woman was low-carbing and as
a dessert every evening she ate a quarter-pound of butter with cinnamon
kneaded into it (because carbs are evil and fat is ok). Needless to say,
her weight loss efforts did not go well.

> I dont know nor care who Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz are either.

But anybody who watches the documentary should care enough to find
out who they are.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 4:35:25 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 4:22:34 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:09:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 7:48:15 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 05:44:43 +1100, Bruce >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > >> >>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > >> >>> > wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > >> >>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
> > >> >>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
> > >> >>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
> > >> >>> >>
> > >> >>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
> > >> >>> >is based.
> > >> >>> The butter industry?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
> > >> >
> > >> >Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
> > >> >after all!" movement comes from.
> > >> Everything they said seemed more than accurate,
> > >
> > >Based on your extensive scientific research background?
> > >
> > >> backed up with photos
> > >> of people walking streets prior to that and now, striking the level of
> > >> obesity now.
> > >
> > >Photos are anecdotes, not data.
> > >
> > >Since agriculture took off as a way to reliably put more food into hungry
> > >bellies, most people have eaten a lot of carbohydrates, and they have
> > >always sought to refine those carbohydrates. Perhaps the modern problem
> > >with obesity isn't just one thing. Perhaps it's the plain and simple fact that
> > >we are not evolved to have an abundance of available calories at the
> > >expense of very little effort.
> > "Based on your extensive scientific research background?" Just saying
> > ;-)
> >
> > You just disqualified yourself by implying 'calories' are all the
> > same, regardless of the type or source.
> It depends what you're looking at. If it's obesity, then there isn't a lot
> of difference. Although the body reacts somewhat differently to carbs
> versus fats (and will adjust its metabolism), thermodynamics always wins.
> If you eat more calories than you burn, you will gain weight.
>
> If you're looking at serum cholesterol, then it looks like there is a difference.
>
> Fine distinctions matter.
> > >Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz might be right, but Hyman has no credentials
> > >as a researcher and Teicholz is a journalist. They have found a way to monetize
> > >their fringe medical beliefs.
> > Jesus Christ. It's been long established now, since circa 2012 I
> > think, (including by some US government. authorities) that saturated
> > fats are not harmful (in sensible quantities) and refined carbs are
> > problematic.
> What are "sensible quantities"? How problematic are refined carbs? If
> a person eats white bread every day? Once a year? A pound of bacon
> every day? I recall an anecdote where a woman was low-carbing and as
> a dessert every evening she ate a quarter-pound of butter with cinnamon
> kneaded into it (because carbs are evil and fat is ok). Needless to say,
> her weight loss efforts did not go well.
> > I dont know nor care who Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz are either.
> But anybody who watches the documentary should care enough to find
> out who they are.

But, running laps around the local high school track is so much easier!

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:48:07 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 05:44:43 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>>>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>>>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
>>>> >
>>>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
>>>> >is based.
>>>> The butter industry?
>>>
>>>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
>>>
>>>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
>>
>>Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
>>after all!" movement comes from.

A 'movement' with employed and respected qualified medical
specialists, too. Not that it's a 'movement', it's just based on
evidence.

>Everything they said seemed more than accurate, backed up with photos
>of people walking streets prior to that and now, striking the level of
>obesity now.

Well, duh. Look at past common diets anywhere in the world (ignoring
famines) and the lesson is always the same.


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