On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 17:07:41 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 2:59:18 PM UTC-10, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:23:07 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-10, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 10:25:53 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:49:41 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 06:14:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:04:16 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 12:55:08 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>And if a historical figure is a mixed bag of good and bad, in today's
>> >> >>>>>views, we can also choose to neither honour them nor vilify them.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>It isn't always clear cut. We had to take down a statue of the
>> >> >>>>Halifax founder, Cornwallis. The indigenous people didn't like it
>> >> >>>>because he put head money on them. On looking further, the reason for
>> >> >>>>that was one night they had swept down and killed a few hundred
>> >> >>>>settlers in their beds across the harbour in Dartmouth (paid by the
>> >> >>>>French to do it) So neither were to be admired. I vote, leave the
>> >> >>>>statue, his actions are recorded, no statue and he can melt into
>> >> >>>>history. As Santayana said 'Those who forget their history are doomed
>> >> >>>>to repeat it'
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>If he was a murderer, remove the statue. Put it in a historical
>> >> >>>museum. Who wants a statue of a murderer?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>He didn't personally murder anyone.
>> >> >
>> >> >You said he put head money on indigenous people. That makes him a
>> >> >murderer.
>> >> Only after they murdered a couple of hundred settlers in their beds,
>> >> men, women and children.
>> >
>> >You might do that too, if you had strangers stealing your homes and gardens. Nobody would fault you if you murdered people that broke into your home.
>> The murdered settlers had not done that, they were nowhere near where
>> the two tribes lived, a couple of hours drive away, so likely a couple
>> of days away then. There were no indigenous tribes associated with
>> Halifax/Dartmouth.
>
>The settlers took over land that nobody was interested in occupying? That sounds like a great big fairy tale.

Strange how Lucretia suddenly drops her political correctness when it
comes to Canada. Patriotism > Political Correctness.

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:00:22 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:27:07 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:
>
>>On 2/19/2021 4:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-10, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 10:25:53 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:49:41 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 06:14:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:04:16 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 12:55:08 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And if a historical figure is a mixed bag of good and bad, in today's
>>>>>>>>> views, we can also choose to neither honour them nor vilify them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It isn't always clear cut. We had to take down a statue of the
>>>>>>>> Halifax founder, Cornwallis. The indigenous people didn't like it
>>>>>>>> because he put head money on them. On looking further, the reason for
>>>>>>>> that was one night they had swept down and killed a few hundred
>>>>>>>> settlers in their beds across the harbour in Dartmouth (paid by the
>>>>>>>> French to do it) So neither were to be admired. I vote, leave the
>>>>>>>> statue, his actions are recorded, no statue and he can melt into
>>>>>>>> history. As Santayana said 'Those who forget their history are doomed
>>>>>>>> to repeat it'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If he was a murderer, remove the statue. Put it in a historical
>>>>>>> museum. Who wants a statue of a murderer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He didn't personally murder anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> You said he put head money on indigenous people. That makes him a
>>>>> murderer.
>>>> Only after they murdered a couple of hundred settlers in their beds,
>>>> men, women and children.
>>>
>>> You might do that too, if you had strangers stealing your homes and gardens. Nobody would fault you if you murdered people that broke into your home.
>>>
>>
>>
>>But why did the French have to pay them? Nope, they were just paid
>>assassins.
>
>Precisely. It was the French who wanted to get their hands on Halifax
>and the great harbour without having to do their own dirty work.

So the Canadians did it for them. Were they already bludgeoning baby
seals to death at that stage? Does that still happen?

On 2/19/2021 8:43 AM, Gary wrote:
> Â*GM wrote:
>> The ugliness of the left will be seen throughout today &
>> the days to come in response to the death of Rush,
>
> Well said
>
>
>
The ugliness of the right was demonstrated by the assault
on the halls of Congress. The cowardice of US Senators who
failed to condemn former President Trump for inciting the
insurrection against representative democracy is shameful.
My own senator, Josh Hawley, is a villain of the highest
order.

--
--Bryan
For your safety and protection, this sig. has been thoroughly
tested on laboratory animals.

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:13:25 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 20:52:21 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 11:14:18 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 19:43:20 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 10:25:53 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:49:41 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 06:14:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:04:16 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 12:55:08 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And if a historical figure is a mixed bag of good and bad, in today's
>>>>>>>>>views, we can also choose to neither honour them nor vilify them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It isn't always clear cut. We had to take down a statue of the
>>>>>>>>Halifax founder, Cornwallis. The indigenous people didn't like it
>>>>>>>>because he put head money on them. On looking further, the reason for
>>>>>>>>that was one night they had swept down and killed a few hundred
>>>>>>>>settlers in their beds across the harbour in Dartmouth (paid by the
>>>>>>>>French to do it) So neither were to be admired. I vote, leave the
>>>>>>>>statue, his actions are recorded, no statue and he can melt into
>>>>>>>>history. As Santayana said 'Those who forget their history are doomed
>>>>>>>>to repeat it'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If he was a murderer, remove the statue. Put it in a historical
>>>>>>>museum. Who wants a statue of a murderer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He didn't personally murder anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said he put head money on indigenous people. That makes him a
>>>>>murderer.
>>>>
>>>>Only after they murdered a couple of hundred settlers in their beds,
>>>>men, women and children.
>>>
>>>The indigenous people were freedom fighters who were fighting
>>>invaders.
>>
>>This bunch were simply paid per scalp by the French from Louisburg who
>>wanted to get hold of Halifax the easy way. For money they murdered
>>and the man in charge of Halifax offered money for every indigenous
>>scalp brought to him. Even Stephen I would say.
>
>The only reason they were there was white imperialism. Go back to your
>own country! (I like to yell that at the kangaroos.)

One of these days a kangaroo who has had enough of you will yell it
right back at you!

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 20:14:25 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/20/2021 1:50 AM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
>> On 2/19/2021 8:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> **GM wrote:
>>>> The ugliness of the left will be seen throughout today &
>>>> the days to come in response to the death of Rush,
>>>
>>> Well said
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The ugliness of the right was demonstrated by the assault
>> on the halls of Congress.* The cowardice of US Senators who
>> failed to condemn former President Trump for inciting the
>> insurrection against representative democracy is shameful.
>> My own senator, Josh Hawley, is a villain of the highest
>> order.
>>
>South Carolinians are stuck with Lindsay Graham. I did my best to
>vote that dinosaur out of office. I don't know what kind of Kool-Aid
>the Senate supporters of the Big Giant Talking Head drank but I would
>suggest they change beverages and start paying attention to the Country,
>not to some skewed Party view.
>
>Jill
Is he Billy Graham's son?

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:21:54 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:00:22 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:27:07 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/19/2021 4:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-10, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 10:25:53 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:49:41 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 06:14:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:04:16 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 12:55:08 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And if a historical figure is a mixed bag of good and bad, in today's
>>>>>>>>>> views, we can also choose to neither honour them nor vilify them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It isn't always clear cut. We had to take down a statue of the
>>>>>>>>> Halifax founder, Cornwallis. The indigenous people didn't like it
>>>>>>>>> because he put head money on them. On looking further, the reason for
>>>>>>>>> that was one night they had swept down and killed a few hundred
>>>>>>>>> settlers in their beds across the harbour in Dartmouth (paid by the
>>>>>>>>> French to do it) So neither were to be admired. I vote, leave the
>>>>>>>>> statue, his actions are recorded, no statue and he can melt into
>>>>>>>>> history. As Santayana said 'Those who forget their history are doomed
>>>>>>>>> to repeat it'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If he was a murderer, remove the statue. Put it in a historical
>>>>>>>> museum. Who wants a statue of a murderer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He didn't personally murder anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said he put head money on indigenous people. That makes him a
>>>>>> murderer.
>>>>> Only after they murdered a couple of hundred settlers in their beds,
>>>>> men, women and children.
>>>>
>>>> You might do that too, if you had strangers stealing your homes and gardens. Nobody would fault you if you murdered people that broke into your home.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>But why did the French have to pay them? Nope, they were just paid
>>>assassins.
>>
>>Precisely. It was the French who wanted to get their hands on Halifax
>>and the great harbour without having to do their own dirty work.
>
>So the Canadians did it for them. Were they already bludgeoning baby
>seals to death at that stage? Does that still happen?

There were no Canadians at that point!

Stu Rawlings wrote:
> Yea, that's what I said with much less words, he wanted Saddam
> dead because his dad didn't take him out when he had the chance
> to rid the world of him.

Dad didn't have the chance to take out Saddam. He had approval to kick
them out of Kuwait but that's all. If he would have followed them into
Iraq, the entire Middle East would have been mad as hell at the US
invading one of their countries. Politics and all.

In article >, says...
>
> On 2/18/2021 4:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 2/18/2021 2:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >> True. But I can imagine that people of colour (is that the allowed
> >> term at the moment?) would be offended by a statue of a historical
> >> figure who was, among other things, a slave trader.
> >>
> >
> > They are not glorified for being a slave trader. Sorry, cannot erase
> > history.
>
> Maybe we should rewrite all the history books to show humans as the
> perfect species on earth and everyone will be so happy.

> Valid history is taught in schools. It's value is to see past mistakes
> and learn from them. Don't try to erase history, learn from it.

But not all history taught in schools IS valid, Gary. Some of it is
lies.

://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/08/history-education-
post-truth-america/566657/



Janet UK

On 2021-02-20 8:00 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Â*Stu Rawlings wrote:
>> Yea, that's what I said with much less words, he wanted Saddam
>> dead because his dad didn't take him out when he had the chance
>> to rid the world of him.
>
> Dad didn't have the chance to take out Saddam. He had approval to kick
> them out of Kuwait but that's all. If he would have followed them into
> Iraq, the entire Middle East would have been mad as hell at the US
> invading one of their countries.Â* Politics and all.
>
>
>

The first time I ever heard Bill O'Reilly was when I was in Colorado in
2002 and he was carrying on about how Bush had screwed up in Desert
Storm by not going into Baghdad and taking out Saddam. The demented gas
bag didn't seem to realize the mandate for his military action was only
to kick the Iraqis out of Kuwait.

On 2021-02-20 8:20 a.m., Janet wrote:

>
>> Valid history is taught in schools. It's value is to see past mistakes
>> and learn from them. Don't try to erase history, learn from it.
>
> But not all history taught in schools IS valid, Gary. Some of it is
> lies.
>
> ://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/08/history-education-
> post-truth-america/566657/
>
>
>
> Janet UK
>
When I went to school (finished in 1963) my teachers would not discuss
politics. The history curriculum stopped at about 1900. This was because
teaching 20th century history involved politics and most of us had
grandparents who had been voting adults before WW1.

On 2/20/2021 11:52 AM, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-02-20 8:20 a.m., Janet wrote:
>
>>> Valid history is taught in schools. It's value is to see past mistakes
>>> and learn from them. Don't try to erase history, learn from it.
>>
>> Â*Â*Â* But not all history taught in schools IS valid, Gary. Some of it is
>> lies.
>>
>> Â*Â*Â* ://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/08/history-education-
>> post-truth-america/566657/
>>
>>
>> Â*Â*Â*Â* Janet UK
>>
> When I went to school (finished in 1963) my teachers would not discuss
> politics. The history curriculum stopped at about 1900. This was because
> teaching 20th century history involved politics and most of us had
> grandparents who had been voting adults before WW1.
>
Growing up as a military brat in the 1960's we moved frequently. Every
school had a different curriculum. Not everyone is taught the same
thing in school. It depends on the school district and where you live
and in what grade.

Jill

On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 11:52:41 AM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-02-20 8:20 a.m., Janet wrote:
>
> >
> >> Valid history is taught in schools. It's value is to see past mistakes
> >> and learn from them. Don't try to erase history, learn from it.
> >
> > But not all history taught in schools IS valid, Gary. Some of it is
> > lies.
> >
> > ://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/08/history-education-
> > post-truth-america/566657/
> >
> >
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> When I went to school (finished in 1963) my teachers would not discuss
> politics. The history curriculum stopped at about 1900. This was because
> teaching 20th century history involved politics and most of us had
> grandparents who had been voting adults before WW1.

We talked about WW II and Vietnam in high school in the 1970s.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2/20/2021 12:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/20/2021 11:52 AM, Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-02-20 8:20 a.m., Janet wrote:
>>
>>>> Valid history is taught in schools. It's value is to see past mistakes
>>>> and learn from them. Don't try to erase history, learn from it.
>>>
>>> Â*Â*Â* But not all history taught in schools IS valid, Gary. Some of it is
>>> lies.
>>>
>>> Â*Â*Â* ://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/08/history-education-
>>> post-truth-america/566657/
>>>
>>>
>>> Â*Â*Â*Â* Janet UK
>>>
>> When I went to school (finished in 1963) my teachers would not discuss
>> politics. The history curriculum stopped at about 1900. This was
>> because teaching 20th century history involved politics and most of us
>> had grandparents who had been voting adults before WW1.
>>
> Growing up as a military brat in the 1960's we moved frequently.Â* Every
> school had a different curriculum.Â* Not everyone is taught the same
> thing in school.Â* It depends on the school district and where you live
> and in what grade.
>
> Jill

What always irritated me, no matter what school I attended, was the
history books (even in High School) and the teaching always started back
with the early explorers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Vasco de Gama. Ponce de
Leon. Columbus, who was way off course and thought he was in India. I
remember thinking can't we move past the "history" as taught when I was
7 years old? One would think as you progress in each grade, the
textbooks would be written to reflect that. Not my experience. The
books and the teachers always started back with those 15th and 16th
century guys. Don't know how many times I was told about the settlement
at Jamestown, Virginia or the disappeared Roanoke colony. Interesting,
not necessarily factual but could we please move on?

Jill

On 2/20/2021 12:22 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 11:52:41 AM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-02-20 8:20 a.m., Janet wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Valid history is taught in schools. It's value is to see past mistakes
>>>> and learn from them. Don't try to erase history, learn from it.
>>>
>>> But not all history taught in schools IS valid, Gary. Some of it is
>>> lies.
>>>
>>> ://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/08/history-education-
>>> post-truth-america/566657/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> When I went to school (finished in 1963) my teachers would not discuss
>> politics. The history curriculum stopped at about 1900. This was because
>> teaching 20th century history involved politics and most of us had
>> grandparents who had been voting adults before WW1.
>
> We talked about WW II and Vietnam in high school in the 1970s.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
My dad was in both of those and he rarely spoke about either of them.
They weren't taught in school history class, either. I went to a lot of
schools across the country and history always stopped just short of
1900. Never even heard about WWI, much less WWII, Korea or Vietnam.

Jill

On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 11:22:25 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 11:52:41 AM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
> > When I went to school (finished in 1963) my teachers would not discuss
> > politics. The history curriculum stopped at about 1900. This was because
> > teaching 20th century history involved politics and most of us had
> > grandparents who had been voting adults before WW1.
> We talked about WW II and Vietnam in high school in the 1970s.


Heck, I was a member of the NAACP when in HS in the early 70's - student membership was a buck a year...

I got so tired of one of my fellow students saying, "Nixon's the ONE!" that I threw a glass of water in his face during lunchtime in the HS cafeteria....

One of the reasons I BEGGED my folks as to why we should visit Expo '67 in Montreal was that I wanted to visit the SOVIET pavilion...we ended up going

We also celebrated the first Earth Day (1970), and I was immersed in books like "The Population Bomb", even spoke about this stuff from the pulpit of my little rural Methodist Church...

I *bought* a copy of Abbie Hoffman's "Steal This Book" off the drugstore paperback rack in our county seat...

On a 1971 Methodist Youth Fellowship one - week trip to DC and NYC we visited a hippie commune in DC's DuPont Circle...attended an anti - war meeting at DC's Foundry Methodist Church and listened to Black Panthers at NYC's Riverside Church...OH, and a preacher's son who was part of our group was BUSTED when he returned home with heroin he'd snuck out and bought one evening in Greenwich Village...I also bought a cheap pot metal peace sign pendant at a Times Square souvenir shop (we stayed at the Edison Hotel)...

I was also the first in our HS to eat yogurt...I also subscribed to "The Saturday Review"...

PS: in a fourth - grade 'show and tell' in 1964, the item I presented was a copy of "Soviet Life" magazine - with a picture of LENIN on the front...*that* rated a call to my mom by the teacher...

So, you see, I was very radicalized at an early age...

;-)

--
Best
Greg

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 08:47:12 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:21:54 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:00:22 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:27:07 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2/19/2021 4:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-10, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 10:25:53 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:49:41 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 06:14:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:04:16 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 12:55:08 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And if a historical figure is a mixed bag of good and bad, in today's
>>>>>>>>>>> views, we can also choose to neither honour them nor vilify them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It isn't always clear cut. We had to take down a statue of the
>>>>>>>>>> Halifax founder, Cornwallis. The indigenous people didn't like it
>>>>>>>>>> because he put head money on them. On looking further, the reason for
>>>>>>>>>> that was one night they had swept down and killed a few hundred
>>>>>>>>>> settlers in their beds across the harbour in Dartmouth (paid by the
>>>>>>>>>> French to do it) So neither were to be admired. I vote, leave the
>>>>>>>>>> statue, his actions are recorded, no statue and he can melt into
>>>>>>>>>> history. As Santayana said 'Those who forget their history are doomed
>>>>>>>>>> to repeat it'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If he was a murderer, remove the statue. Put it in a historical
>>>>>>>>> museum. Who wants a statue of a murderer?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He didn't personally murder anyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said he put head money on indigenous people. That makes him a
>>>>>>> murderer.
>>>>>> Only after they murdered a couple of hundred settlers in their beds,
>>>>>> men, women and children.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might do that too, if you had strangers stealing your homes and gardens. Nobody would fault you if you murdered people that broke into your home.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But why did the French have to pay them? Nope, they were just paid
>>>>assassins.
>>>
>>>Precisely. It was the French who wanted to get their hands on Halifax
>>>and the great harbour without having to do their own dirty work.
>>
>>So the Canadians did it for them. Were they already bludgeoning baby
>>seals to death at that stage? Does that still happen?
>
>There were no Canadians at that point!

What's in a name?

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 08:00:31 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> Stu Rawlings wrote:
>> Yea, that's what I said with much less words, he wanted Saddam
>> dead because his dad didn't take him out when he had the chance
>> to rid the world of him.
>
>Dad didn't have the chance to take out Saddam. He had approval to kick
>them out of Kuwait but that's all. If he would have followed them into
>Iraq, the entire Middle East would have been mad as hell at the US
>invading one of their countries. Politics and all.

American Republicans interfering in the Middle East is like a blind
man directing traffic.

On 2021-02-20 12:11 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/20/2021 11:52 AM, Graham wrote:

>> When I went to school (finished in 1963) my teachers would not discuss
>> politics. The history curriculum stopped at about 1900. This was
>> because teaching 20th century history involved politics and most of us
>> had grandparents who had been voting adults before WW1.
>>
> Growing up as a military brat in the 1960's we moved frequently.Â* Every
> school had a different curriculum.Â* Not everyone is taught the same
> thing in school.Â* It depends on the school district and where you live
> and in what grade.
>

I grew up just outside of Toronto and at the end of the first term of
Gr.9 we moved down to Niagara. A lot of the curriculum was the same, but
there were also major differences. My elementary school started teaching
French in Gr.7 but when I got to my new high school they did not start
French until Gr.9.

Another difference was in music. I had taken instrumental music at my
old school. It was not available at the nearest high school, so I had to
bus it downtown to the school where they did teach it. As it turned out,
I was so far behind my new class mates there was no way I could catch
up. I dropped music and went back to the school near home and took art
instead.

On 2021-02-20 12:22 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 11:52:41 AM UTC-5, Graham wrote:

>> When I went to school (finished in 1963) my teachers would not discuss
>> politics. The history curriculum stopped at about 1900. This was because
>> teaching 20th century history involved politics and most of us had
>> grandparents who had been voting adults before WW1.
>
> We talked about WW II and Vietnam in high school in the 1970s.

WWII was like ancient history to us. It had been over for 5 years by the
time we were born. It was hard to escape it because so many of our
fathers had seen action in Europe, some in Hong Kong and Burma. There
were TV series about it and countless movies.

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:50:34 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-02-20 12:22 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 11:52:41 AM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>
>>> When I went to school (finished in 1963) my teachers would not discuss
>>> politics. The history curriculum stopped at about 1900. This was because
>>> teaching 20th century history involved politics and most of us had
>>> grandparents who had been voting adults before WW1.
>>
>> We talked about WW II and Vietnam in high school in the 1970s.
>
>WWII was like ancient history to us. It had been over for 5 years by the
>time we were born.

I'd hardly call that ancient history.

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:28:22 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/20/2021 12:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/20/2021 11:52 AM, Graham wrote:
>>> On 2021-02-20 8:20 a.m., Janet wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Valid history is taught in schools. It's value is to see past mistakes
>>>>> and learn from them. Don't try to erase history, learn from it.
>>>>
>>>> *** But not all history taught in schools IS valid, Gary. Some of it is
>>>> lies.
>>>>
>>>> *** ://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/08/history-education-
>>>> post-truth-america/566657/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **** Janet UK
>>>>
>>> When I went to school (finished in 1963) my teachers would not discuss
>>> politics. The history curriculum stopped at about 1900. This was
>>> because teaching 20th century history involved politics and most of us
>>> had grandparents who had been voting adults before WW1.
>>>
>> Growing up as a military brat in the 1960's we moved frequently.* Every
>> school had a different curriculum.* Not everyone is taught the same
>> thing in school.* It depends on the school district and where you live
>> and in what grade.
>>
>> Jill
>
>What always irritated me, no matter what school I attended, was the
>history books (even in High School) and the teaching always started back
>with the early explorers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Vasco de Gama. Ponce de
>Leon. Columbus, who was way off course and thought he was in India. I
>remember thinking can't we move past the "history" as taught when I was
>7 years old? One would think as you progress in each grade, the
>textbooks would be written to reflect that. Not my experience. The
>books and the teachers always started back with those 15th and 16th
>century guys. Don't know how many times I was told about the settlement
>at Jamestown, Virginia or the disappeared Roanoke colony. Interesting,
>not necessarily factual but could we please move on?

Columbus was COOL. And **** the Indians, they killed all the
Mastodons. AND Columbus used NO fossil fuels!

John Kuthe, thinking Mother Gaia is a MILF...

On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 1:56:58 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:50:34 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2021-02-20 12:22 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 11:52:41 AM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
> >
> >>> When I went to school (finished in 1963) my teachers would not discuss
> >>> politics. The history curriculum stopped at about 1900. This was because
> >>> teaching 20th century history involved politics and most of us had
> >>> grandparents who had been voting adults before WW1.
> >>
> >> We talked about WW II and Vietnam in high school in the 1970s.
> >
> >WWII was like ancient history to us. It had been over for 5 years by the
> >time we were born.
> I'd hardly call that ancient history.

To a kid, anything that happens before they're born is ancient history.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 11:37:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 1:56:58 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:50:34 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2021-02-20 12:22 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 11:52:41 AM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>> >
>> >>> When I went to school (finished in 1963) my teachers would not discuss
>> >>> politics. The history curriculum stopped at about 1900. This was because
>> >>> teaching 20th century history involved politics and most of us had
>> >>> grandparents who had been voting adults before WW1.
>> >>
>> >> We talked about WW II and Vietnam in high school in the 1970s.
>> >
>> >WWII was like ancient history to us. It had been over for 5 years by the
>> >time we were born.
>> I'd hardly call that ancient history.
>
>To a kid, anything that happens before they're born is ancient history.

Anything that happens before they're born may be history, but ancient
history's further back.

On 2/20/2021 6:44 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 20:14:25 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/20/2021 1:50 AM, BryanGSimmons wrote:
>>> On 2/19/2021 8:43 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Â*Â*GM wrote:
>>>>> The ugliness of the left will be seen throughout today &
>>>>> the days to come in response to the death of Rush,
>>>>
>>>> Well said
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The ugliness of the right was demonstrated by the assault
>>> on the halls of Congress.Â* The cowardice of US Senators who
>>> failed to condemn former President Trump for inciting the
>>> insurrection against representative democracy is shameful.
>>> My own senator, Josh Hawley, is a villain of the highest
>>> order.
>>>
>> South Carolinians are stuck with Lindsay Graham. I did my best to
>> vote that dinosaur out of office. I don't know what kind of Kool-Aid
>> the Senate supporters of the Big Giant Talking Head drank but I would
>> suggest they change beverages and start paying attention to the Country,
>> not to some skewed Party view.
>>
>> Jill
> Is he Billy Graham's son?
>
No. If you met him, and didn't know who he was, you'd think he was ***.
He's actually an asexual when it comes to partner sex, but I suspect
that he pleasures himself while gazing at young boys in tighty whities
in the WalMart ad.

--
--Bryan
For your safety and protection, this sig. has been thoroughly
tested on laboratory animals.

On 2/19/2021 7:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:00:22 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
> > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:27:07 -0800, Taxed and Spent
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/19/2021 4:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-10, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 10:25:53 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:49:41 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 06:14:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:04:16 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 12:55:08 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And if a historical figure is a mixed bag of good and bad, in today's
>>>>>>>>>> views, we can also choose to neither honour them nor vilify them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It isn't always clear cut. We had to take down a statue of the
>>>>>>>>> Halifax founder, Cornwallis. The indigenous people didn't like it
>>>>>>>>> because he put head money on them. On looking further, the reason for
>>>>>>>>> that was one night they had swept down and killed a few hundred
>>>>>>>>> settlers in their beds across the harbour in Dartmouth (paid by the
>>>>>>>>> French to do it) So neither were to be admired. I vote, leave the
>>>>>>>>> statue, his actions are recorded, no statue and he can melt into
>>>>>>>>> history. As Santayana said 'Those who forget their history are doomed
>>>>>>>>> to repeat it'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If he was a murderer, remove the statue. Put it in a historical
>>>>>>>> museum. Who wants a statue of a murderer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He didn't personally murder anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said he put head money on indigenous people. That makes him a
>>>>>> murderer.
>>>>> Only after they murdered a couple of hundred settlers in their beds,
>>>>> men, women and children.
>>>>
>>>> You might do that too, if you had strangers stealing your homes and gardens. Nobody would fault you if you murdered people that broke into your home.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But why did the French have to pay them? Nope, they were just paid
>>> assassins.
>>
>> Precisely. It was the French who wanted to get their hands on Halifax
>> and the great harbour without having to do their own dirty work.
>
> So the Canadians did it for them. Were they already bludgeoning baby
> seals to death at that stage? Does that still happen?
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbx8_lrZ8o

They used lead filled snowshoes.

--
--Bryan
For your safety and protection, this sig. has been thoroughly
tested on laboratory animals.

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 14:10:16 -0600, BryanGSimmons wrote:

> I suspect that he pleasures himself while gazing
> at young boys in tighty whities in the WalMart ad.

Hmmm. Which Walmart ad? (I'm asking for a friend).

On 2/19/2021 1:16 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:39:52 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Graham wrote:
>>> Furthermore, if one couldn't say anything positive about him while he
>>> was alive, why change now? "One should not speak ill of the dead" is an
>>> old superstition!
>>
>> Not a superstition, just common decency.
>>
>>
> Limbaugh certainly didn't qualify as commonly decent!

And Dave said,"Of course. A guy spends his life spewing garbage and
hatred, so no one can speak the truth about him after his death?'

You two obviously never listened to his show or if you did, you took it
way too seriously. His only crime was to tease the liberals who have
absolutely no sense of humor.

On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 1:11:27 PM UTC-6, Michelle wrote:
> On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 9:04:00 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> > On 2/17/2021 7:53 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > > Sqwertz wrote:
> > >> I like idea of "glazing" the pan with cooked noodles. That's a good
> > >> use of leftover pan juices. Sprinkle with grated Pecorino romano
> > >> and parsley.
> > >>
> > >> -sw
> > >
> > > Limbaugh was busy, dying lol
> > You laugh and joke about someone dying from lung cancer just because he
> > had a different political belief than you? Or maybe also that he became
> > one of the evil RICH with his popular talk show?
> >
> > Shame on you and all the others joking about his death. This shows the
> > liberals for all they are worth.
> >
> > Your celebration and glee means nothing to Rush...he's gone now.
> > At least have some sympathy and respect for his family and friends.
> > If you have nothing good to say, say nothing.
> >
> > What the hell is wrong with you people? >;-[]
> >
> > <SPIT>
> Rush was gleeful over the death of AIDS patients in the 80s and.
> He listed their names and yucked it up on his show. He called Chelsea
> Clinton (a teenager at the time) €œthe White House dog€�. He said addicts
> deserved prison - until he needed help for his addiction, then he deserved
> treatment.
> In short, he was a bitter, petty man who made the world worse. I see no
> reason to ignore this just because hes dead.

What she said.

--Bryan

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 09:23:25 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>On 2/19/2021 1:16 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:39:52 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Graham wrote:
>>>> Furthermore, if one couldn't say anything positive about him while he
>>>> was alive, why change now? "One should not speak ill of the dead" is an
>>>> old superstition!
>>>
>>> Not a superstition, just common decency.
>>>
>>>
>> Limbaugh certainly didn't qualify as commonly decent!
>
>And Dave said,"Of course. A guy spends his life spewing garbage and
>hatred, so no one can speak the truth about him after his death?'
>
>You two obviously never listened to his show or if you did, you took it
>way too seriously. His only crime was to tease the liberals who have
>absolutely no sense of humor.
>

I'm sorry for you Gary if you don't know hatred when you hear it!

On 2/21/2021 9:23 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 2/19/2021 1:16 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:39:52 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> *Graham wrote:
>>>> Furthermore, if one couldn't say anything positive about him while he
>>>> was alive, why change now? "One should not speak ill of the dead" is an
>>>> old superstition!
>>>
>>> Not a superstition, just common decency.
>>>
>>>
>> Limbaugh certainly didn't qualify as commonly decent!
>
> And Dave said,"Of course. A guy spends his life spewing garbage and
> hatred, so no one can speak the truth about him after his death?'
>
> You two obviously never listened to his show or if you did, you took it
> way too seriously. His only crime was to tease the liberals who have
> absolutely no sense of humor.
>
>
>
>
>
>
I have listened to him. Early on there was some humor. He morphed into
a hate spewing, name calling vile person that ridicules people.

Regretted it later? It was fun and made him a lot of money.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ru...ock-aids-gays/

Limbaugh would later say he regretted the segment as it made fun of
people who were dying excruciating deaths.

On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 4:11:34 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 01:35:29 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 8:55:17 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >
> >> And if a historical figure is a mixed bag of good and bad, in today's
> >> views, we can also choose to neither honour them nor vilify them.
> >
> >Everybody's a mixed bag. By your standards we'd never honor anybody.
> >Even Mother Theresa had bad characteristics.
> I'm not talking about farting in public or having bad breath, but
> about trading or having slaves, or killing insurgents who want to be
> independent, or burning down villages.
>
We should replace statues of true villains with ones of folks who
were known for farting in public and those who were infamous for
their bad breath.

--Bryan, your source for really good ideas for many years

On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 8:40:03 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> Graham wrote:
> > Furthermore, if one couldn't say anything positive about him while he
> > was alive, why change now? "One should not speak ill of the dead" is an
> > old superstition!
> Not a superstition, just common decency.
>
Toward a man devoid of common decency? My wife is distantly related to him
(her grandfather was from Bollinger County). Someone should **** on his grave.

--Bryan

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 09:23:25 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>On 2/19/2021 1:16 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:39:52 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Graham wrote:
>>>> Furthermore, if one couldn't say anything positive about him while he
>>>> was alive, why change now? "One should not speak ill of the dead" is an
>>>> old superstition!
>>>
>>> Not a superstition, just common decency.
>>>
>> Limbaugh certainly didn't qualify as commonly decent!
>
>And Dave said,"Of course. A guy spends his life spewing garbage and
>hatred, so no one can speak the truth about him after his death?'
>
>You two obviously never listened to his show or if you did, you took it
>way too seriously. His only crime was to tease the liberals who have
>absolutely no sense

Better.

of humor.