On 2021-02-14 2:32 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/14/2021 3:54 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The cottage industry of mask making came after we followed
>> instructions and didn't wear masks, and cane about when people smelled
>> a rat.Â* After that, the lies about masks ended.
>
> There was a plan to send masks to everyone but Trump nixed it
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...email-n1240359
>
>
> Public health experts said sending masks directly to Americans' homes in
> the early days of the global pandemic would have sent a stronger message
> encouraging Americans to wear masks.
>
> Dr. Monica Gandhi, a professor of medicine at the University of
> California, San Francisco, said mailing masks to everyone's homes would
> have meant "we are saying, 'This is so important that we are going to
> put them in the mail and get them to you.'"

Alberta used fast food chains to hand out packages of 5 masks. One
didn't have to buy anything and the drive-throughs kept up some form of
social distancing. It was a very effective program.

On 2021-02-14 2:31 p.m., Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 11:50:06 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 2:47:15 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2021-02-14 2:37 p.m., US Janet wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:25:09 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>> I simply expressed my objection to being told by the self righteous to
>>>>> follow the science when we were being told different stories every few
>>>>> days. As Taxed and Spent pointed out, they kept telling us we didn't
>>>>> need masks when there was a shortage of them.
>>>>
>>>> that was a short period of time and referred specificlly to N95 masks
>>>> that were needed for health personnel.
>>>>
>>> At first they were happy with a mask.
>>
>> Something is better than nothing.
>>
>>> Then it was suggested that the
>>> mask have two layers.
>>
>> Two somethings are better than one something.
>>
>>> Recently they have been pushing for a three layer
>>> mask.
>>
>> With the advent of more-transmissible strains, I can see
>> why they'd recommend additional protection.
>
> Nobody seems to care that, not only is wearing multiple masks idiotic,
> wearing masks have their own negative health consequences.
>
Like what?

On 2021-02-14 2:49 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2021-02-14 12:43 p.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 2/14/2021 11:37 AM, US Janet wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:25:09 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> I simply expressed my objection to being told by the self righteous to
>>>> follow the science when we were being told different stories every few
>>>> days. As Taxed and Spent pointed out, theyÂ* kept telling us we didn't
>>>> need masks when there was a shortage of them.
>>>
>>> Â* that was a short period of time and referred specificlly to N95 masks
>>> that were needed for health personnel.
>>>
>>> Janet US
>>>
>>
>>
>> A lie, nonetheless. And I don't think the lie was limited to N95 masks.
>
> How many lies did Trump tell during his sojourn? And you are getting
> your knickers in a twist over just this ONE?

We know that Trump told lots of lies, but a lot of that information came
from the CDC.

On 2/14/2021 1:47 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-02-14 2:37 p.m., US Janet wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:25:09 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>>
>>> I simply expressed my objection to being told by the self righteous to
>>> follow the science when we were being told different stories every few
>>> days. As Taxed and Spent pointed out, theyÂ* kept telling us we didn't
>>> need masks when there was a shortage of them.
>>
>> Â* that was a short period of time and referred specificlly to N95 masks
>> that were needed for health personnel.
>>
>
> At first they were happy with a mask. Then it was suggested that the
> mask have two layers. Recently they have been pushing for a three layer
> mask.
>
The 7 layer burrito is good, but only if you make it a 6 layer burrito
by leaving out the industrial process "guacamole." Oh, and you need
to put lots of Fire Sauce on them. Lots.

--
--Bryan
For your safety and protection, this sig. has been thoroughly
tested on laboratory animals.

On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 16:54:30 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-02-14 2:49 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-02-14 12:43 p.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>
>>> A lie, nonetheless. And I don't think the lie was limited to N95 masks.
>>
>> How many lies did Trump tell during his sojourn? And you are getting
>> your knickers in a twist over just this ONE?
>
>We know that Trump told lots of lies, but a lot of that information came
>from the CDC.

He didn't need anybody else to tell lies.

After he passed a dementia test, he claimed that the doctors were
impressed with his huge intelligence. Because he passed a dementia
test... Ok, that's just a side note that I find very funny.

On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:47:38 -0700, Graham > wrote:

>On 2021-02-14 2:31 p.m., Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 11:50:06 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Two somethings are better than one something.
>>>
>>>> Recently they have been pushing for a three layer
>>>> mask.
>>>
>>> With the advent of more-transmissible strains, I can see
>>> why they'd recommend additional protection.
>>
>> Nobody seems to care that, not only is wearing multiple masks idiotic,
>> wearing masks have their own negative health consequences.
>>
>Like what?

Careful now, you're asking for facts. That's a cultural faux pas.
Facts are offensive to deplorables.

On 2/14/2021 4:47 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-02-14 2:32 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/14/2021 3:54 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The cottage industry of mask making came after we followed
>>> instructions and didn't wear masks, and cane about when people
>>> smelled a rat.Â* After that, the lies about masks ended.
>>
>> There was a plan to send masks to everyone but Trump nixed it
>>
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...email-n1240359
>>
>>
>> Public health experts said sending masks directly to Americans' homes
>> in the early days of the global pandemic would have sent a stronger
>> message encouraging Americans to wear masks.
>>
>> Dr. Monica Gandhi, a professor of medicine at the University of
>> California, San Francisco, said mailing masks to everyone's homes
>> would have meant "we are saying, 'This is so important that we are
>> going to put them in the mail and get them to you.'"
>
I think it's a given, the Big Giant Talking Head was an idiot when it
came to doing anything about curtailing this virus from the start.

> Alberta used fast food chains to hand out packages of 5 masks. One
> didn't have to buy anything and the drive-throughs kept up some form of
> social distancing. It was a very effective program.

Now that sounds like a very sensible idea! Of course, you folks have a
working healthcare system already in place.

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> On 14/02/2021 20:43, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Bruce"* wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 11:27:05 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> " The trials of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine did include different
> >> spacing between doses, finding that a longer gap (two to three months)
> >> led to a greater immune response, but the overall participant numbers
> >> were small. In the UK study 59% (1407 of 2377) of the participants who
> >> had two standard doses received the second dose between nine and 12
> >> weeks after the first. In the Brazil study only 18.6% (384 of 2063)
> >> received a second dose between nine and 12 weeks after the first.3 The
> >> combined trial results, published in the Lancet,4 found that vaccine
> >> efficacy 14 days after a second dose was higher in the group that had
> >> more than six weeks between the two doses (65.4%) than in the group that
> >> had less than six weeks between doses (53.4%)."
> >>
> >> Pretty small test group.* Hmm.
> >
> > I guess you'd have preferred a virus that came with a manual. No
> > research required, no learning curve. Just read the manual. Maybe next
> > time.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > We had the* Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine!
> >
> >
> As did I.

We had Pfizer

Janet UK

Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 2/14/2021 11:25 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2021-02-14 1:02 p.m., Graham wrote:
> >> On 2021-02-14 10:29 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> > facts, so the conclusions should not be changing repeatedly.
> >>>>
> >>>> FFS!! Things change as you learn more!!!
> >>>
> >>> Indeed.
> >>> Somewhere, I have an essay written by my molecular biologist niece on
> >>> that very subject.
> >>>
> >> Shhhhh! Too many blocked ears and blinkered eyes around here!
> >
> > Who has the blocked ears and blinkered eyes? I do wear a mask in public
> > spaces. I have never raised a stink about having to do it. I have never
> > refused. As soon as I go out and am distanced from people it comes off.
> >
> > I simply expressed my objection to being told by the self righteous to
> > follow the science when we were being told different stories every few
> > days. As Taxed and Spent pointed out, they kept telling us we didn't
> > need masks when there was a shortage of them.
> >
> >
> > I don't need a tin foil hat. Some of the our questions were addressed
> > in an article from the University of California San Francisco. It
> > addressed the CDCs reversal on the advice to wear masks. It acknowledges
> > that a shortage of masks had a lot to do with it. They wanted to reserve
> > the masks for medical staff. The report goes on to talk about
> > experiments where they did slo mo videos of people coughing and
> > sneezing, and where the particles flew.
> >
> > They say now that we should wear masks, wash our hands and maintain
> > distance, and, of the three, the most important is the mask.
> >
> > I find it hard to understand how it is that they have been using masks
> > for years and it is not until covid19 that they started to wonder the
> > best types and designs that are most effective at controlling the spread
> > of cootie infected droplets.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/41...-masks-prevent
> >
> "follow the science" simply means "do as you are told, when you are told."


Another thing to ponder: *who* is ***paying*** all of these *experts* who tell us to "follow the science"...the experts may "bend" their "science" to make sure they are not endangering their bottom line, it is ALL about $$$$...

--
Best
Greg

On 2/14/2021 4:26 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Snag wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-02-13 9:52 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Generally
>>>> motocycle batteries will last twice as long as car batteries,
>>>> motorcycles draw no current with the engine off, unless you add an
>>>> after market anti-theft device.
>>
>> Â*Â*Don't know much about motorcycles do ya Binky . Due to the
>> vibrations most motorcycle batteries last a shorter time than car
>> batteries . And modern fuel injected bikes have to keep power on the
>> computer , plus the big touring bikes with radios use a small trickle
>> to keep presets in memory .
>>
>
> Popeye rides a 1939 Indian.
>
>
>

He probably rode Sacagawea too.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/14/2021 4:26 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> Snag wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-02-13 9:52 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Generally
>>>>> motocycle batteries will last twice as long as car batteries,
>>>>> motorcycles draw no current with the engine off, unless you
>>>>> add an
>>>>> after market anti-theft device.
>>>
>>> Â*Â*Don't know much about motorcycles do ya Binky . Due to the
>>> vibrations most motorcycle batteries last a shorter time than
>>> car batteries . And modern fuel injected bikes have to keep
>>> power on the computer , plus the big touring bikes with radios
>>> use a small trickle to keep presets in memory .
>>>
>>
>> Popeye rides a 1939 Indian.
>>
>>
>>
>
> He probably rode Sacagawea too.

Must have been his first wife

On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 3:53:27 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:

> I don't hate anybody. I don't like lies, regardless of who tells them.
> And thus I don't like liars. But hate is a different matter.

Everybody lies.

Doctors lie all the time.
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2736034/>

Cindy Hamilton

"Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...

On 2/14/2021 12:30 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "US Janet" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 17:26:34 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 2/14/2021 7:29 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> On 2/14/2021 6:13 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>> On 2/14/2021 6:05 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> Yes! I got mine over a week ago, and he got his yesterday! Just the
>>>>> first ones though! I get my second on the last week in April. He
>>>>> hasn't been told yet.
>>>>
>>>> Huh? I've heard that you need to get the second one in 2-3 weeks, not
>>>> months later.
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> That is how it started but it has lengthened now! They say it is
>>>> better!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They say it is better because the logistics are screwed up (after local
>>> and state agencies knowing for over a year this was coming . . .) and
>>> this new story fits the logistics. No studies cited.
>>>
>>> You know, masks were unnecessary. Before they were, after the supply
>>> problem eased.
>>>
>>> ====
>>>
>>> Not here. We were always told to wear masks. I think it was Mr
>>> Trump
>>> that said they weren't necessary
>>>
>>
>> Of course you think that. But you are wrong. It was Dr. Fauci. You
>> know, the "gold standards" guy. LOL.
>>
>> ====
>>
>> I have no intention of arguing about this. Was it, or was it not, Trump
>> who said masks were not necessary?
>>
>>
> You are correct, O. rump said it again and again and again.
> Janet US
>
> ====
>
> Thank you, Janet! I knew I had seen him say it!!
>
>


Trump saying it is not the same as saying "it was trump who said it".
Trump wasn't the only one, or the first one, or the one with the medical
degree, who said it. Lots of people to point fingers at.

===

LOL so, even if he said it, he didn't say it ????? LOLOL

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 20:23:55 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 17:30:08 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 11:05:04 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes! I got mine over a week ago, and he got his yesterday! Just the first
>>>ones though! I get my second on the last week in April. He hasn't been
>>>told yet.
>>>
>>>You?
>>
>>That's good. It hasn't started here yet, I believe. They start
>>sometime this month, but I won't be high on the list.
>>
>>===
>>
>>Depends on age and health!
>
>Yes. I'm (just) under 60 and have no underlying conditions. Maybe
>sometime in the second half of the year.
>
>===
>
> Aye you could be well down the list, it depends on how your country
>intends to work it.
>
> I think that today, Boris (PM) said he was now looking at the 50s!!

Our state hasn't had any covid cases for 28 days, so it's not as
urgent here.

===

That is really good!!!

"S Viemeister" wrote in message ...

On 14/02/2021 20:43, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Bruce"Â wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 11:27:05 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> > wrote:
>
>> " The trials of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine did include different
>> spacing between doses, finding that a longer gap (two to three months)
>> led to a greater immune response, but the overall participant numbers
>> were small. In the UK study 59% (1407 of 2377) of the participants who
>> had two standard doses received the second dose between nine and 12
>> weeks after the first. In the Brazil study only 18.6% (384 of 2063)
>> received a second dose between nine and 12 weeks after the first.3 The
>> combined trial results, published in the Lancet,4 found that vaccine
>> efficacy 14 days after a second dose was higher in the group that had
>> more than six weeks between the two doses (65.4%) than in the group that
>> had less than six weeks between doses (53.4%)."
>>
>> Pretty small test group. Hmm.
>
> I guess you'd have preferred a virus that came with a manual. No
> research required, no learning curve. Just read the manual. Maybe next
> time.
>
> ==
>
> We had the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine!
>
>
As did I.

===

Excellent!

On 2/15/2021 2:49 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...
>
> On 2/14/2021 12:30 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "US Janet" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 17:26:34 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> On 2/14/2021 7:29 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>> On 2/14/2021 6:13 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary" wrote in message ...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/14/2021 6:05 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>> Yes! I got mine over a week ago, and he got his yesterday! Just the
>>>>>> first ones though! I get my second on the last week in April. He
>>>>>> hasn't been told yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? I've heard that you need to get the second one in 2-3 weeks, not
>>>>> months later.
>>>>>
>>>>> ===
>>>>>
>>>>> That is how it started but it has lengthened now! They say it is
>>>>> better!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They say it is better because the logistics are screwed up (after local
>>>> and state agencies knowing for over a year this was coming . . .) and
>>>> this new story fits the logistics. No studies cited.
>>>>
>>>> You know, masks were unnecessary. Before they were, after the supply
>>>> problem eased.
>>>>
>>>> ====
>>>>
>>>> Not here. We were always told to wear masks. I think it was Mr
>>>> Trump
>>>> that said they weren't necessary
>>>>
>>>
>>> Of course you think that. But you are wrong. It was Dr. Fauci. You
>>> know, the "gold standards" guy. LOL.
>>>
>>> ====
>>>
>>> I have no intention of arguing about this. Was it, or was it not, Trump
>>> who said masks were not necessary?
>>>
>>>
>> You are correct, O. rump said it again and again and again.
>> Janet US
>>
>> ====
>>
>> Thank you, Janet! I knew I had seen him say it!!
>>
>>
>
>
> Trump saying it is not the same as saying "it was trump who said it".
> Trump wasn't the only one, or the first one, or the one with the medical
> degree, who said it. Lots of people to point fingers at.
>
> ===
>
> LOL so, even if he said it, he didn't say it ????? LOLOL
>
>

That is not what I said.

On 2/14/2021 11:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 07:47:16 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> A good thing you didn't have to be at a pickleball game in time.
>>
>> I watched a few minutes of the current Australian Tennis tournament last
>> night. No audience at all in the bleachers. Smart move for the
>> Australians. Keep that Covid virus away.
>
> The idiots started by allowing up to 25,000 people in. Then they found
> 2 or so covid cases in the city and put the city in lockdown. That was
> also the end of the audience for the tennis. Which fool organises a
> sports tournament when you still have some covid hanging around?

Australia arenas don't even put cardboard cutouts in the seats.
I watched some more last night. No way does that small arena hold 25,000
seats. Having seen the empty place, I'll guess no more than 5,000 if
even that much.

The larger soccer stadiums would hold that many but they are also mostly
empty.

As appealing as soccer is, those stadiums are probably mostly empty even
without the covid concern. LOL

Taxed and Spent wrote:
> Fauci said it. If Trump said it, I guess he was taking the advise of
> our nation's most trusted medical advisor.

Fauci always amused me. Dress up the little guy all in blue clothes and
he would make a perfect Dr. Smurf.

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:28:38 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > Fauci said it. If Trump said it, I guess he was taking the advise of
> > our nation's most trusted medical advisor.
>
> Fauci always amused me. Dress up the little guy all in blue clothes and
> he would make a perfect Dr. Smurf.

You are obsessed with appearances.

Cindy Hamilton

Ophelia wrote:

>
>
> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...
>
> On 2/14/2021 12:30 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >
> > "US Janet" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 17:26:34 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > On 2/14/2021 7:29 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > On 2/14/2021 6:13 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Gary" wrote in message ...
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2/14/2021 6:05 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > > > Yes! I got mine over a week ago, and he got his yesterday!
> > > > > > Just the first ones though! I get my second on the last
> > > > > > week in April. He hasn't been told yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Huh? I've heard that you need to get the second one in 2-3
> > > > > weeks, not months later.
> > > > >
> > > > > ===
> > > > >
> >>>> That is how it started but it has lengthened now! They say
> it is
> > > > > better!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > They say it is better because the logistics are screwed up
> > > > (after local and state agencies knowing for over a year this
> > > > was coming . . .) and this new story fits the logistics. No
> > > > studies cited.
> > > >
> > > > You know, masks were unnecessary. Before they were, after the
> > > > supply problem eased.
> > > >
> > > > ====
> > > >
> >>> Not here. We were always told to wear masks. I think it
> was Mr
> > > > Trump
> > > > that said they weren't necessary
> > > >
> > >
> > > Of course you think that. But you are wrong. It was Dr. Fauci.
> > > You know, the "gold standards" guy. LOL.
> > >
> > > ====
> > >
> >> I have no intention of arguing about this. Was it, or was it not,
> Trump
> > > who said masks were not necessary?
> > >
> > >
> > You are correct, O. rump said it again and again and again.
> > Janet US
> >
> > ====
> >
> > Thank you, Janet! I knew I had seen him say it!!
> >
> >
>
>
> Trump saying it is not the same as saying "it was trump who said it".
> Trump wasn't the only one, or the first one, or the one with the
> medical degree, who said it. Lots of people to point fingers at.
>
> ===
>
> LOL so, even if he said it, he didn't say it ????? LOLOL

Ophelia, the CDC was saying no masks or reserve for the Medical people
at the start, (which is what Trump repeated from Dr. Fauci and CDC)
then swapped to home made ones with directions on how to make them
(Trump followed suit then). This was very early on and there was a lot
of confusion at that time everywhere.

Folks who scoff, don't remember the timeline. It was about 3 weeks of
?mask or no mask? Then guidelines firmed up and everyone put out to
wear a mask.

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 10:27:06 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>On 2/14/2021 11:43 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 07:47:16 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>> A good thing you didn't have to be at a pickleball game in time.
>>>
>>> I watched a few minutes of the current Australian Tennis tournament last
>>> night. No audience at all in the bleachers. Smart move for the
>>> Australians. Keep that Covid virus away.
>>
>> The idiots started by allowing up to 25,000 people in. Then they found
>> 2 or so covid cases in the city and put the city in lockdown. That was
>> also the end of the audience for the tennis. Which fool organises a
>> sports tournament when you still have some covid hanging around?
>
>Australia arenas don't even put cardboard cutouts in the seats.
>I watched some more last night. No way does that small arena hold 25,000
>seats. Having seen the empty place, I'll guess no more than 5,000 if
>even that much.

I don't know where they got the 25,000 from, but the Rod Laver Arena
seats 14,820 people.

>The larger soccer stadiums would hold that many but they are also mostly
>empty.

The Johan Cruyff Arena in Amsterdam seats 55,500 people.

>As appealing as soccer is, those stadiums are probably mostly empty even
>without the covid concern. LOL

Soccer's the world's most popular sport. American football isn't even
played much outside the US. Hence the name, lol.

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 07:57:55 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:28:38 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> > Fauci said it. If Trump said it, I guess he was taking the advise of
>> > our nation's most trusted medical advisor.
>>
>> Fauci always amused me. Dress up the little guy all in blue clothes and
>> he would make a perfect Dr. Smurf.
>
>You are obsessed with appearances.

He's really 10 years old.

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:26:42 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message ...
>>
>> Trump saying it is not the same as saying "it was trump who said it".
>> Trump wasn't the only one, or the first one, or the one with the
>> medical degree, who said it. Lots of people to point fingers at.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> LOL so, even if he said it, he didn't say it ????? LOLOL
>
>Ophelia, the CDC was saying no masks or reserve for the Medical people
>at the start, (which is what Trump repeated from Dr. Fauci and CDC)
>then swapped to home made ones with directions on how to make them
>(Trump followed suit then). This was very early on and there was a lot
>of confusion at that time everywhere.
>
>Folks who scoff, don't remember the timeline. It was about 3 weeks of
>?mask or no mask? Then guidelines firmed up and everyone put out to
>wear a mask.

Trump continued to not wear a mask at all kinds of events.

Bruce wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:26:42 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message
> ... >>
> >> Trump saying it is not the same as saying "it was trump who said
> it". >> Trump wasn't the only one, or the first one, or the one with
> the >> medical degree, who said it. Lots of people to point fingers
> at. >>
> >> ===
> >>
> >> LOL so, even if he said it, he didn't say it ????? LOLOL
> >
> > Ophelia, the CDC was saying no masks or reserve for the Medical
> > people at the start, (which is what Trump repeated from Dr. Fauci
> > and CDC) then swapped to home made ones with directions on how to
> > make them (Trump followed suit then). This was very early on and
> > there was a lot of confusion at that time everywhere.
> >
> > Folks who scoff, don't remember the timeline. It was about 3 weeks
> > of ?mask or no mask? Then guidelines firmed up and everyone put
> > out to wear a mask.
>
> Trump continued to not wear a mask at all kinds of events.

Socially didtanced for the most part, like during debates and things.

On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 20:29:31 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/14/2021 4:26 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> Snag wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-02-13 9:52 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Generally
>>>>> motocycle batteries will last twice as long as car batteries,
>>>>> motorcycles draw no current with the engine off, unless you add an
>>>>> after market anti-theft device.
>>>
>>> **Don't know much about motorcycles do ya Binky . Due to the
>>> vibrations most motorcycle batteries last a shorter time than car
>>> batteries.

>>> And modern fuel injected bikes have to keep power on the
>>> computer , plus the big touring bikes with radios use a small trickle
>>> to keep presets in memory .
>>
>> Popeye rides a 1939 Indian.

My last bike was a Honda 750. Motorcycle batteries could easily last
10-15 years... and were small so didn't cost much.
I didn't ride an Indian, I had a friend who owned two... one for him
and one for his wife. I didn't think much of Indians, they constantly
needed repairs. I never owned a Harly either, same reason, constant
repairs.5

On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 11:44:49 PM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 3:53:27 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
> > I don't hate anybody. I don't like lies, regardless of who tells them.
> > And thus I don't like liars. But hate is a different matter.
> Everybody lies.
>
> Doctors lie all the time.
> <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2736034/>
>
> Cindy Hamilton
For doctors, it's probably a relief not to tell someone that they're going to die or have to give them bad news. My Chinese friend kept the news that his dad's cancer was terminal from him. That's the Chinese way. One of my client's daughter told me to lie to her mother about her hearing aids - to tell her that she has the best hearing aids. I can certainly do that. It's better than telling her that her problem is one of cognitive processing rather than amplification.

cshenk wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:26:42 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Taxed and Spent" wrote in message
>> ... >>
>>>> Trump saying it is not the same as saying "it was trump who said
>> it". >> Trump wasn't the only one, or the first one, or the one with
>> the >> medical degree, who said it. Lots of people to point fingers
>> at. >>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> LOL so, even if he said it, he didn't say it ????? LOLOL
>>>
>>> Ophelia, the CDC was saying no masks or reserve for the Medical
>>> people at the start, (which is what Trump repeated from Dr. Fauci
>>> and CDC) then swapped to home made ones with directions on how to
>>> make them (Trump followed suit then). This was very early on and
>>> there was a lot of confusion at that time everywhere.
>>>
>>> Folks who scoff, don't remember the timeline. It was about 3 weeks
>>> of ?mask or no mask? Then guidelines firmed up and everyone put
>>> out to wear a mask.
>>
>> Trump continued to not wear a mask at all kinds of events.
>
> Socially didtanced for the most part, like during debates and things.
>

Can you see Trump's appendix from where your head is?

dsi1 wrote:
> For doctors, it's probably a relief not to tell someone that
> they're going to die or have to give them bad news.
> My Chinese friend kept the news that his dad's cancer was terminal from him.
> That's the Chinese way.

And that's a very wrong thing to do, imo. VERY WRONG!
If I knew I was going to die soon, I'd probably spend my last days doing
something different.

I had a friend once, got a radical cancer operation (hole in throat to
breath). He lived a few more years with that crap and eventually the
cancer came back and he was going to die.

Doctor and his wife told him that all was fine. I didn't like the lies
but it wasn't my place to tell him so I didn't. I went to visit him a
couple of days before he went back for his final hospital stay.

We talked about all things. He told me his past few years was nothing
but a nightmare and not worth those extra years. I didn't know what to
say to him but I did realize that even being lied to about "doing fine,"
he knew he was dying.

I'm sure he felt it...that he was getting worse, not better.

He went back into the hospital a few days later and died 2 days later.

On 2/16/2021 9:09 AM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> For doctors, it's probably a relief not to tell someone that
>> they're going to die or have to give them bad news.
>> My Chinese friend kept the news that his dad's cancer was terminal
>> from him.
>> That's the Chinese way.
>
> And that's a very wrong thing to do, imo. VERY WRONG!
> If I knew I was going to die soon, I'd probably spend my last days doing
> something different.
>
> I had a friend once, got a radical cancer operation (hole in throat to
> breath). He lived a few more years with that crap and eventually the
> cancer came back and he was going to die.
>
> Doctor and his wife told him that all was fine. I didn't like the lies
> but it wasn't my place to tell him so I didn't. I went to visit him a
> couple of days before he went back for his final hospital stay.
>
> We talked about all things. He told me his past few years was nothing
> but a nightmare and not worth those extra years. I didn't know what to
> say to him but I did realize that even being lied to about "doing fine,"
> he knew he was dying.
>
> I'm sure he felt it...that he was getting worse, not better.
>
> He went back into the hospital a few days later and died 2 days later.
>

My step-father went in for a lung cancer operation. They opened him up,
look, closed him up as they could do nothing. Docs told him they helped
but told my mother, a couple of weeks at best.

A year later, he remodeled my kitchen. Lasted another year.

On 2/16/2021 11:05 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> My step-father went in for a lung cancer operation. They opened him up,
> look, closed him up as they could do nothing. Docs told him they helped
> but told my mother, a couple of weeks at best.
>
> A year later, he remodeled my kitchen. Lasted another year.


My one grandfather was a coal miner all his life. After he retired, they
discovered "black lung" so he got tested for that. They told him that he
did indeed have it and would probably die within a few years.

He was 72 then and he lived to age 97. He didn't die from the black lung
then either.

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 4:09:59 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > For doctors, it's probably a relief not to tell someone that
> > they're going to die or have to give them bad news.
> > My Chinese friend kept the news that his dad's cancer was terminal from him.
> > That's the Chinese way.
> And that's a very wrong thing to do, imo. VERY WRONG!
> If I knew I was going to die soon, I'd probably spend my last days doing
> something different.
>
> I had a friend once, got a radical cancer operation (hole in throat to
> breath). He lived a few more years with that crap and eventually the
> cancer came back and he was going to die.
>
> Doctor and his wife told him that all was fine. I didn't like the lies
> but it wasn't my place to tell him so I didn't. I went to visit him a
> couple of days before he went back for his final hospital stay.
>
> We talked about all things. He told me his past few years was nothing
> but a nightmare and not worth those extra years. I didn't know what to
> say to him but I did realize that even being lied to about "doing fine,"
> he knew he was dying.
>
> I'm sure he felt it...that he was getting worse, not better.
>
> He went back into the hospital a few days later and died 2 days later.

That's just something that the Chinese like to do. I don't have any particular feelings about it because it's not my culture. OTOH, my guess is that it's not uncommon in other cultures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RofpAjqwMa8

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:01:32 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 4:09:59 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>> > For doctors, it's probably a relief not to tell someone that
>> > they're going to die or have to give them bad news.
>> > My Chinese friend kept the news that his dad's cancer was terminal from him.
>> > That's the Chinese way.
>> And that's a very wrong thing to do, imo. VERY WRONG!
>> If I knew I was going to die soon, I'd probably spend my last days doing
>> something different.
>>
>> I had a friend once, got a radical cancer operation (hole in throat to
>> breath). He lived a few more years with that crap and eventually the
>> cancer came back and he was going to die.
>>
>> Doctor and his wife told him that all was fine. I didn't like the lies
>> but it wasn't my place to tell him so I didn't. I went to visit him a
>> couple of days before he went back for his final hospital stay.
>>
>> We talked about all things. He told me his past few years was nothing
>> but a nightmare and not worth those extra years. I didn't know what to
>> say to him but I did realize that even being lied to about "doing fine,"
>> he knew he was dying.
>>
>> I'm sure he felt it...that he was getting worse, not better.
>>
>> He went back into the hospital a few days later and died 2 days later.
>
>That's just something that the Chinese like to do. I don't have any particular
>feelings about it because it's not my culture.

Good, then you also don't have a problem with Zwarte Piet.

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 8:26:55 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:01:32 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 4:09:59 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >> > For doctors, it's probably a relief not to tell someone that
> >> > they're going to die or have to give them bad news.
> >> > My Chinese friend kept the news that his dad's cancer was terminal from him.
> >> > That's the Chinese way.
> >> And that's a very wrong thing to do, imo. VERY WRONG!
> >> If I knew I was going to die soon, I'd probably spend my last days doing
> >> something different.
> >>
> >> I had a friend once, got a radical cancer operation (hole in throat to
> >> breath). He lived a few more years with that crap and eventually the
> >> cancer came back and he was going to die.
> >>
> >> Doctor and his wife told him that all was fine. I didn't like the lies
> >> but it wasn't my place to tell him so I didn't. I went to visit him a
> >> couple of days before he went back for his final hospital stay.
> >>
> >> We talked about all things. He told me his past few years was nothing
> >> but a nightmare and not worth those extra years. I didn't know what to
> >> say to him but I did realize that even being lied to about "doing fine,"
> >> he knew he was dying.
> >>
> >> I'm sure he felt it...that he was getting worse, not better.
> >>
> >> He went back into the hospital a few days later and died 2 days later.
> >
> >That's just something that the Chinese like to do. I don't have any particular
> >feelings about it because it's not my culture.
> Good, then you also don't have a problem with Zwarte Piet.
Mostly, I think it's pretty wacky and funny - on so many different levels!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIXscGcdGyk