My house is in need of a second fridge in the garage. In looking at
freezerless refrigerators, as they'd fit our needs best, I came across
temp controllers that allow one to convert a freezer to a fridge. A
temp controller + upright freezer is quite a bit cheaper than a
comparable size freezerless fridge.

Anyone have experience with these temp controllers to convert a
freezer to a fridge or kegerator?

On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 7:54:24 AM UTC-5, Kaenayad wrote:
> My house is in need of a second fridge in the garage. In looking at
> freezerless refrigerators, as they'd fit our needs best, I came across
> temp controllers that allow one to convert a freezer to a fridge. A
> temp controller + upright freezer is quite a bit cheaper than a
> comparable size freezerless fridge.
>
> Anyone have experience with these temp controllers to convert a
> freezer to a fridge or kegerator?

A thermostat? ;-) Um, all Refrigerators/Freezers have them already, one just needs to adjust them.


John Kuthe...

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 06:07:01 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 7:54:24 AM UTC-5, Kaenayad wrote:
>> My house is in need of a second fridge in the garage.

Depending on your climate a fridge in a garage may not be a good idea,
not unless your garage is heated/air conditioned.

>>In looking at
>> freezerless refrigerators, as they'd fit our needs best, I came across
>> temp controllers that allow one to convert a freezer to a fridge. A
>> temp controller + upright freezer is quite a bit cheaper than a
>> comparable size freezerless fridge.

We bought a second fridge with top freezer and put it in our basement.
We bought it used for $100 16 years ago and it's still working fine.
We bought it from a local appliance store. and they lugged it down the
basement and installed it. It was all reconditioned, family operated
appliance stores typically know which ones are worth reconditioning
and they know how. It's a no frills unit with plain wire shelves and
no ice maker, but for our needs it's perfect, mainly for produce from
our veggie garden, and in the basement no one sees that it's old.

>> Anyone have experience with these temp controllers to convert a
>> freezer to a fridge or kegerator?
>
>A thermostat? ;-) Um, all Refrigerators/Freezers have them already, one just needs to adjust them.
>
>John Kuthe...

However normally a fridge can't be set low enough to use as a freezer,
nor would the insulation be adequate.

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 06:07:01 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 7:54:24 AM UTC-5, Kaenayad wrote:
>> My house is in need of a second fridge in the garage. In looking at
>> freezerless refrigerators, as they'd fit our needs best, I came across
>> temp controllers that allow one to convert a freezer to a fridge. A
>> temp controller + upright freezer is quite a bit cheaper than a
>> comparable size freezerless fridge.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with these temp controllers to convert a
>> freezer to a fridge or kegerator?
>
>A thermostat? ;-) Um, all Refrigerators/Freezers have them already, one just needs to adjust them.

Umm, no.

writes:
>On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 06:07:01 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 7:54:24 AM UTC-5, Kaenayad wrote:
>>> My house is in need of a second fridge in the garage.
>
>Depending on your climate a fridge in a garage may not be a good idea,
>not unless your garage is heated/air conditioned.
>
>>>In looking at
>>> freezerless refrigerators, as they'd fit our needs best, I came across
>>> temp controllers that allow one to convert a freezer to a fridge. A
>>> temp controller + upright freezer is quite a bit cheaper than a
>>> comparable size freezerless fridge.
>
>We bought a second fridge with top freezer and put it in our basement.
>We bought it used for $100 16 years ago and it's still working fine.
>We bought it from a local appliance store. and they lugged it down the
>basement and installed it. It was all reconditioned, family operated
>appliance stores typically know which ones are worth reconditioning
>and they know how. It's a no frills unit with plain wire shelves and
>no ice maker, but for our needs it's perfect, mainly for produce from
>our veggie garden, and in the basement no one sees that it's old.
>
>>> Anyone have experience with these temp controllers to convert a
>>> freezer to a fridge or kegerator?
>>
>>A thermostat? ;-) Um, all Refrigerators/Freezers have them already, one
>just needs to adjust them.
>>
>>John Kuthe...
>
>However normally a fridge can't be set low enough to use as a freezer,
>nor would the insulation be adequate.

"Kaenayad" wants to go the other way - convert an upright freezer to
a beer fridge for the garage. Seems like the laws of physics would
allow it.

On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 4:20:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 06:07:01 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
> >On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 7:54:24 AM UTC-5, Kaenayad wrote:
> >> My house is in need of a second fridge in the garage. In looking at
> >> freezerless refrigerators, as they'd fit our needs best, I came across
> >> temp controllers that allow one to convert a freezer to a fridge. A
> >> temp controller + upright freezer is quite a bit cheaper than a
> >> comparable size freezerless fridge.
> >>
> >> Anyone have experience with these temp controllers to convert a
> >> freezer to a fridge or kegerator?
> >
> >A thermostat? ;-) Um, all Refrigerators/Freezers have them already, one just needs to adjust them.
>
> Umm, no.

Most do.

John Kuthe...

"Kaenayad" > wrote in message
...
> My house is in need of a second fridge in the garage. In looking at
> freezerless refrigerators, as they'd fit our needs best, I came across
> temp controllers that allow one to convert a freezer to a fridge. A
> temp controller + upright freezer is quite a bit cheaper than a
> comparable size freezerless fridge.
>
> Anyone have experience with these temp controllers to convert a
> freezer to a fridge or kegerator?

No but make sure whatever you get can actually be used in the garage. My
first freezer was supposed to be used in a room that was about 70 degrees
year round. I put it in the garage and it never worked right. Got too cold
or overheated.

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 16:32:19 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 4:20:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 06:07:01 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 7:54:24 AM UTC-5, Kaenayad wrote:
>> >> My house is in need of a second fridge in the garage. In looking at
>> >> freezerless refrigerators, as they'd fit our needs best, I came across
>> >> temp controllers that allow one to convert a freezer to a fridge. A
>> >> temp controller + upright freezer is quite a bit cheaper than a
>> >> comparable size freezerless fridge.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone have experience with these temp controllers to convert a
>> >> freezer to a fridge or kegerator?
>> >
>> >A thermostat? ;-) Um, all Refrigerators/Freezers have them already, one just needs to adjust them.
>>
>> Umm, no.
>
>Most do.

You don't understand the OP's enquiry.

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 18:00:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:


>No but make sure whatever you get can actually be used in the garage. My
>first freezer was supposed to be used in a room that was about 70 degrees
>year round.

Well, that's the first time I've ever heard of such a requirement. How
do you account for the same make and model fridges and freezers being
sold and used in both tropical and temperate climates?

Or is this yet another example of the Bothell phenomenon?

>I put it in the garage and it never worked right. Got too cold
>or overheated.

I'm pretty sure the problem wasn't because it was a garage.

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 21:46:54 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

writes:
>>On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 06:07:01 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 7:54:24 AM UTC-5, Kaenayad wrote:
>>>> My house is in need of a second fridge in the garage.
>>
>>Depending on your climate a fridge in a garage may not be a good idea,
>>not unless your garage is heated/air conditioned.
>>
>>>>In looking at
>>>> freezerless refrigerators, as they'd fit our needs best, I came across
>>>> temp controllers that allow one to convert a freezer to a fridge. A
>>>> temp controller + upright freezer is quite a bit cheaper than a
>>>> comparable size freezerless fridge.
>>
>>We bought a second fridge with top freezer and put it in our basement.
>>We bought it used for $100 16 years ago and it's still working fine.
>>We bought it from a local appliance store. and they lugged it down the
>>basement and installed it. It was all reconditioned, family operated
>>appliance stores typically know which ones are worth reconditioning
>>and they know how. It's a no frills unit with plain wire shelves and
>>no ice maker, but for our needs it's perfect, mainly for produce from
>>our veggie garden, and in the basement no one sees that it's old.
>>
>>>> Anyone have experience with these temp controllers to convert a
>>>> freezer to a fridge or kegerator?
>>>
>>>A thermostat? ;-) Um, all Refrigerators/Freezers have them already, one
>>just needs to adjust them.
>>>
>>>John Kuthe...
>>
>>However normally a fridge can't be set low enough to use as a freezer,
>>nor would the insulation be adequate.
>
>"Kaenayad" wants to go the other way - convert an upright freezer to
>a beer fridge for the garage. Seems like the laws of physics would
>allow it.

Changing to a suitable thermostat would work for an upright freezer,
if one was keen enough to do so.

On 11/1/2019 7:32 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 4:20:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 06:07:01 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 7:54:24 AM UTC-5, Kaenayad wrote:
>>>> My house is in need of a second fridge in the garage. In looking at
>>>> freezerless refrigerators, as they'd fit our needs best, I came across
>>>> temp controllers that allow one to convert a freezer to a fridge. A
>>>> temp controller + upright freezer is quite a bit cheaper than a
>>>> comparable size freezerless fridge.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have experience with these temp controllers to convert a
>>>> freezer to a fridge or kegerator?
>>>
>>> A thermostat? ;-) Um, all Refrigerators/Freezers have them already, one just needs to adjust them.
>>
>> Umm, no.
>
> Most do.
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Right, but you have one thermostat, two compartments, and about 30
degree variance. Somehow you have to balance them to less that 8
degrees difference. >32 <40

On 11/1/2019 9:12 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 18:00:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
>> No but make sure whatever you get can actually be used in the garage. My
>> first freezer was supposed to be used in a room that was about 70 degrees
>> year round.
>
> Well, that's the first time I've ever heard of such a requirement. How
> do you account for the same make and model fridges and freezers being
> sold and used in both tropical and temperate climates?
>
> Or is this yet another example of the Bothell phenomenon?
>
>> I put it in the garage and it never worked right. Got too cold
>> or overheated.
>
> I'm pretty sure the problem wasn't because it was a garage.
>

Actually a common problem as a garage can be well below freezing or well
above 100F depending on climate. There are also kits available for some
models.

I recently saw a refrigerator advertised that it can work in a garage.
https://www.3goodones.com/more-good-...-and-freezers/

When it's already cold enough in your garage, the fridge doesn't need
need to work to keep the food inside cold. So, it never turns on the
compressor, thus, never freezing the freezer. ... It's cold enough to
keep everything frozen in the freezer. However, this means that the
refrigerator section is ALSO frozen.

What is a garage ready refrigerator?
When the temperature of the garage goes below that ideal range for the
fridge, the thermostat doesn't bother to turn on the compressor, because
it's already cold enough. No compressor action means that the freezer
will begin to warm up, and its contents will thaw.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 4:20:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 06:07:01 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 7:54:24 AM UTC-5, Kaenayad wrote:
>>>> My house is in need of a second fridge in the garage. In looking at
>>>> freezerless refrigerators, as they'd fit our needs best, I came across
>>>> temp controllers that allow one to convert a freezer to a fridge. A
>>>> temp controller + upright freezer is quite a bit cheaper than a
>>>> comparable size freezerless fridge.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have experience with these temp controllers to convert a
>>>> freezer to a fridge or kegerator?
>>>
>>> A thermostat? ;-) Um, all Refrigerators/Freezers have them already, one just needs to adjust them.
>>
>> Umm, no.
>
> Most do.
>
> John Kuthe...
>

You'll have to forgive him. He's not a cannabis engineer like yoose.

On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 8:00:53 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> No but make sure whatever you get can actually be used in the garage. My
> first freezer was supposed to be used in a room that was about 70 degrees
> year round. I put it in the garage and it never worked right. Got too cold
> or overheated.
>
https://i.postimg.cc/RhGqmmD9/Paper-Clip-Comment.jpg

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 16:32:19 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
>>On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 4:20:46 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 06:07:01 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Friday, November 1, 2019 at 7:54:24 AM UTC-5, Kaenayad wrote:
>>> >> My house is in need of a second fridge in the garage. In looking at
>>> >> freezerless refrigerators, as they'd fit our needs best, I came
>>> >> across
>>> >> temp controllers that allow one to convert a freezer to a fridge. A
>>> >> temp controller + upright freezer is quite a bit cheaper than a
>>> >> comparable size freezerless fridge.
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone have experience with these temp controllers to convert a
>>> >> freezer to a fridge or kegerator?
>>> >
>>> >A thermostat? ;-) Um, all Refrigerators/Freezers have them already, one
>>> >just needs to adjust them.
>>>
>>> Umm, no.
>>
>>Most do.
>
> You don't understand the OP's enquiry.

In some countries like India, refrigerators and freezers are one and the
same.You flip a switch to get one or the other. Not both. Ours here in the
US are not that way. I don't know how they are in other countries.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 18:00:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>No but make sure whatever you get can actually be used in the garage. My
>>first freezer was supposed to be used in a room that was about 70 degrees
>>year round.
>
> Well, that's the first time I've ever heard of such a requirement. How
> do you account for the same make and model fridges and freezers being
> sold and used in both tropical and temperate climates?
>
> Or is this yet another example of the Bothell phenomenon?
>
>>I put it in the garage and it never worked right. Got too cold
>>or overheated.
>
> I'm pretty sure the problem wasn't because it was a garage.

It was. I got a Kenmore brand freezer from Sears. In reading the information
that came with it, it said to place in an area that is approx. 70 degrees
year round. I did post of this here several times when I had that freezer.
It is meant to be used in doors only. Now some garages are well insulated.
Mine isn't. I believe Sheldon even commented on this. The temp. has
something to do with the compressor

My freezer got like a deep freeze in the winter. So bad that there was ice
up the back of it and ice pushing up out the top of it.

During the summer, it would often shut off if the temp. got too hot. I had
to put an alarm on it.

It was too large to put anywhere in my house and was not supposed to be put
on carpet.

I did haul it home in my van but it was too heavy for Angela and I to
manhandle back to the store to return it. So I kept it and tried it. It was
a gift.

When I bought the freezer I have now, I checked to make sure it would work
in the garage. It does.

You can buy refrigerators that are called garage refrigerators. They are
designed to be able to take hot and cold ambient temperatures.

Read the links:

https://www.reference.com/home-garde...a7dabe087da6fc

https://www.hunker.com/12590144/will...rage-in-winter

In article >, says...
>
> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 18:00:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
> >No but make sure whatever you get can actually be used in the garage. My
> >first freezer was supposed to be used in a room that was about 70 degrees
> >year round.
>
> Well, that's the first time I've ever heard of such a requirement. How
> do you account for the same make and model fridges and freezers being
> sold and used in both tropical and temperate climates?
>
> Or is this yet another example of the Bothell phenomenon?
>
> >I put it in the garage and it never worked right. Got too cold
> >or overheated.
>
> I'm pretty sure the problem wasn't because it was a garage.

Here where garages are unheated so winter temps might dip to freezing,
it's standard for new modern fridges and freezers to be marked suitable
(or not) to be used in garage. My frost-free upright fridge-freezer came
with a warning not to use it in a garage.

https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/free...-freezers-for-
your-garage

"Freezer climate class Every fridge, freezer and fridge freezer has a
climate class. This is the range of room temperatures the freezer is
designed to work within. Climate classes are set by an international
standard and range from 10°C to 43°C to cover hotter and colder
countries."

"Best freezers for your garage By Patrick Gallagher Most freezers are
designed to be kept in rooms that don't get colder than 10°C. If you
want a freezer for your garage, make sure you read our guide before you
buy.

"Freezers in garages: what you need to know

Most of the fridges and freezers you can buy are made to be kept inside
your home, rather than in an unheated garage. The lowest room
temperature that these appliances are designed to work in is 10°C. Keep
your freezer in a room that gets any colder, and there?s a chance it
will stop working properly, causing all of the food inside to defrost.


Janet UK

Janet wrote:

> In article >, says...
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 18:00:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > > No but make sure whatever you get can actually be used in the
> > > garage. My first freezer was supposed to be used in a room that
> > > was about 70 degrees year round.
> >
> > Well, that's the first time I've ever heard of such a requirement.
> > How do you account for the same make and model fridges and freezers
> > being sold and used in both tropical and temperate climates?
> >
> > Or is this yet another example of the Bothell phenomenon?
> >
> > > I put it in the garage and it never worked right. Got too cold
> > > or overheated.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the problem wasn't because it was a garage.
>
> Here where garages are unheated so winter temps might dip to
> freezing, it's standard for new modern fridges and freezers to be
> marked suitable (or not) to be used in garage. My frost-free upright
> fridge-freezer came with a warning not to use it in a garage.
>
> https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/free...-freezers-for-
> your-garage
>
> "Freezer climate class Every fridge, freezer and fridge freezer has a
> climate class. This is the range of room temperatures the freezer is
> designed to work within. Climate classes are set by an international
> standard and range from 10°C to 43°C to cover hotter and colder
> countries."
>
> "Best freezers for your garage By Patrick Gallagher Most freezers
> are designed to be kept in rooms that don't get colder than 10°C. If
> you want a freezer for your garage, make sure you read our guide
> before you buy.
>
> "Freezers in garages: what you need to know
>
> Most of the fridges and freezers you can buy are made to be kept
> inside your home, rather than in an unheated garage. The lowest room
> temperature that these appliances are designed to work in is 10°C.
> Keep your freezer in a room that gets any colder, and there?s a
> chance it will stop working properly, causing all of the food inside
> to defrost.
>
>
> Janet UK

Agreed. This is critical with a chest freezer. Those are often made
for 'garage use' but even they tend to require the garage be above
0C/32F for best operation. If it gets colder, thats when you start
having frost problems in the 'frost-free' types.

Mine does that a bit. It takes years before it's enough to be a bother
but sometime in the next year, I have to empty it down and defrost.

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 18:00:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> >No but make sure whatever you get can actually be used in the garage. My
>> >first freezer was supposed to be used in a room that was about 70
>> >degrees
>> >year round.
>>
>> Well, that's the first time I've ever heard of such a requirement. How
>> do you account for the same make and model fridges and freezers being
>> sold and used in both tropical and temperate climates?
>>
>> Or is this yet another example of the Bothell phenomenon?
>>
>> >I put it in the garage and it never worked right. Got too cold
>> >or overheated.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the problem wasn't because it was a garage.
>
> Here where garages are unheated so winter temps might dip to freezing,
> it's standard for new modern fridges and freezers to be marked suitable
> (or not) to be used in garage. My frost-free upright fridge-freezer came
> with a warning not to use it in a garage.
>
> https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/free...-freezers-for-
> your-garage
>
> "Freezer climate class Every fridge, freezer and fridge freezer has a
> climate class. This is the range of room temperatures the freezer is
> designed to work within. Climate classes are set by an international
> standard and range from 10°C to 43°C to cover hotter and colder
> countries."
>
> "Best freezers for your garage By Patrick Gallagher Most freezers are
> designed to be kept in rooms that don't get colder than 10°C. If you
> want a freezer for your garage, make sure you read our guide before you
> buy.
>
> "Freezers in garages: what you need to know
>
> Most of the fridges and freezers you can buy are made to be kept inside
> your home, rather than in an unheated garage. The lowest room
> temperature that these appliances are designed to work in is 10°C. Keep
> your freezer in a room that gets any colder, and there?s a chance it
> will stop working properly, causing all of the food inside to defrost.
>
>
> Janet UK

Thank you!

writes:
>Janet wrote:
>
>> In article >, says...
>> >
>> > On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 18:00:43 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > > No but make sure whatever you get can actually be used in the
>> > > garage. My first freezer was supposed to be used in a room that
>> > > was about 70 degrees year round.
>> >
>> > Well, that's the first time I've ever heard of such a requirement.
>> > How do you account for the same make and model fridges and freezers
>> > being sold and used in both tropical and temperate climates?
>> >
>> > Or is this yet another example of the Bothell phenomenon?
>> >
>> > > I put it in the garage and it never worked right. Got too cold
>> > > or overheated.
>> >
>> > I'm pretty sure the problem wasn't because it was a garage.
>>
>> Here where garages are unheated so winter temps might dip to
>> freezing, it's standard for new modern fridges and freezers to be
>> marked suitable (or not) to be used in garage. My frost-free upright
>> fridge-freezer came with a warning not to use it in a garage.
>>
>> https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/free...-freezers-for-
>> your-garage
>>
>> "Freezer climate class Every fridge, freezer and fridge freezer has a
>> climate class. This is the range of room temperatures the freezer is
>> designed to work within. Climate classes are set by an international
>> standard and range from 10 C to 43 C to cover hotter and colder
>> countries."
>>
>> "Best freezers for your garage By Patrick Gallagher Most freezers
>> are designed to be kept in rooms that don't get colder than 10 C. If
>> you want a freezer for your garage, make sure you read our guide
>> before you buy.
>>
>> "Freezers in garages: what you need to know
>>
>> Most of the fridges and freezers you can buy are made to be kept
>> inside your home, rather than in an unheated garage. The lowest room
>> temperature that these appliances are designed to work in is 10 C.
>> Keep your freezer in a room that gets any colder, and there?s a
>> chance it will stop working properly, causing all of the food inside
>> to defrost.
>>
>>
>> Janet UK
>
>Agreed. This is critical with a chest freezer. Those are often made
>for 'garage use' but even they tend to require the garage be above
>0C/32F for best operation. If it gets colder, thats when you start
>having frost problems in the 'frost-free' types.
>
>Mine does that a bit. It takes years before it's enough to be a bother
>but sometime in the next year, I have to empty it down and defrost.

STUPID NAKED APES!!!!

Can't make a freezer that works in freezing temps!!!