Nancy2 wrote:
>
> cshenk, that is almost as little as I use....I gas up once about every two months. I get about 22 mpg in town, but I just never go anywhere...I drive about 2000 miles a year. The farthest I have gone in one trip in the past 3 years is 35 miles, one way. LOL.

Just curious...how did you drive 35 miles one way?
Did you never go home? Did you move that far one way?

Anyway, I'll take your 2000 per year and raise you my
annual mileage.

Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.

On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 9:48:36 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
> >
> > cshenk, that is almost as little as I use....I gas up once about every two months. I get about 22 mpg in town, but I just never go anywhere...I drive about 2000 miles a year. The farthest I have gone in one trip in the past 3 years is 35 miles, one way. LOL.
>
> Just curious...how did you drive 35 miles one way?
> Did you never go home? Did you move that far one way?
>
> Anyway, I'll take your 2000 per year and raise you my
> annual mileage.
>
> Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
> get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
> convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.

You should go 100% electric and either get a used Nissan Leaf (80 miles a charge in my experience) or Tesla Model 3 which is speced at 300 miles a charge!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and NON Burner Of Petroleum!

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
> > get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
> > convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.
>
> You should go 100% electric and either get a used Nissan Leaf (80 miles a charge in my experience) or Tesla Model 3 which is speced at 300 miles a charge!

I've got a nice Trek bike. Even cheaper than your electric car
and better for my health. All of my shopping is within a mile or
two. Anytime weather is bad, I can wait.

On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 10:30:43 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> >
> > Gary wrote:
> > > Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
> > > get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
> > > convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.
> >
> > You should go 100% electric and either get a used Nissan Leaf (80 miles a charge in my experience) or Tesla Model 3 which is speced at 300 miles a charge!
>
> I've got a nice Trek bike. Even cheaper than your electric car
> and better for my health. All of my shopping is within a mile or
> two. Anytime weather is bad, I can wait.

Yep! I'll give ya that!! :-)

I used to bicycle, a LOT! I used to live an easy flat bicycle ride to Forest Park both from the CWE and Skinker/Debaliviere, super easy! Door to door from Westminster in the CWE was 10.25 miles, cause I had a bike computer so I knew.

John Kuthe, Climate Activist and Former Bicyclist.

On 4/13/2019 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> Gary wrote:
>>> Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
>>> get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
>>> convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.
>>
>> You should go 100% electric and either get a used Nissan Leaf (80 miles a charge in my experience) or Tesla Model 3 which is speced at 300 miles a charge!
>
> I've got a nice Trek bike. Even cheaper than your electric car
> and better for my health. All of my shopping is within a mile or
> two. Anytime weather is bad, I can wait.
>
But Gary! You could charge your van for free in his garage! Except
you'd have to move to St. Louis and live somewhere near (hopefully not
in with!) John. Like you, I'd have to pass on his electric car suggestion.

Gotta ask him why he thinks there are electric car chargers all over the
place. Do you see many in or around where you live? I sure as hell
don't see any in the Beaufort, SC area. If my car runs out of gasoline,
it's readily available. My auto insurance includes emergency roadside
assistance so they'll bring me a few gallons of gas or tow it if there's
another problem.

An electric car that runs out of juice when I'm out shopping or parked
for a few hours at work? If it was dead there'd be no way of charging
it. Not buying the electric car idea.

Jill

On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 7:01:02 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/13/2019 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
> > John Kuthe wrote:
> >>
> >> Gary wrote:
> >>> Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
> >>> get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
> >>> convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.
> >>
> >> You should go 100% electric and either get a used Nissan Leaf (80 miles a charge in my experience) or Tesla Model 3 which is speced at 300 miles a charge!
> >
> > I've got a nice Trek bike. Even cheaper than your electric car
> > and better for my health. All of my shopping is within a mile or
> > two. Anytime weather is bad, I can wait.
> >
> But Gary! You could charge your van for free in his garage! Except
> you'd have to move to St. Louis and live somewhere near (hopefully not
> in with!) John. Like you, I'd have to pass on his electric car suggestion.

On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 8:01:02 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/13/2019 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
> > John Kuthe wrote:
> >>
> >> Gary wrote:
> >>> Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
> >>> get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
> >>> convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.
> >>
> >> You should go 100% electric and either get a used Nissan Leaf (80 miles a charge in my experience) or Tesla Model 3 which is speced at 300 miles a charge!
> >
> > I've got a nice Trek bike. Even cheaper than your electric car
> > and better for my health. All of my shopping is within a mile or
> > two. Anytime weather is bad, I can wait.
> >
> But Gary! You could charge your van for free in his garage! Except
> you'd have to move to St. Louis and live somewhere near (hopefully not
> in with!) John. Like you, I'd have to pass on his electric car suggestion.
>
> Gotta ask him why he thinks there are electric car chargers all over the
> place. Do you see many in or around where you live? I sure as hell
> don't see any in the Beaufort, SC area. If my car runs out of gasoline,
> it's readily available. My auto insurance includes emergency roadside
> assistance so they'll bring me a few gallons of gas or tow it if there's
> another problem.
>
> An electric car that runs out of juice when I'm out shopping or parked
> for a few hours at work? If it was dead there'd be no way of charging
> it. Not buying the electric car idea.
>
> Jill

I could manage my commute with an electric car, but I don't have
any faith in their ability to go in snow. I had a Toyota Matrix
up until 2004, and there were days when it was impossible to get
out of my driveway without stopping to shovel snow. I'm not
talking a foot; it was a few inches (which up here is nuthin').

Cindy Hamilton

On 2019-04-14 7:24 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 8:01:02 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 4/13/2019 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>> Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
>>>>> get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
>>>>> convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.
>>>>
>>>> You should go 100% electric and either get a used Nissan Leaf (80 miles a charge in my experience) or Tesla Model 3 which is speced at 300 miles a charge!
>>>
>>> I've got a nice Trek bike. Even cheaper than your electric car
>>> and better for my health. All of my shopping is within a mile or
>>> two. Anytime weather is bad, I can wait.
>>>
>> But Gary! You could charge your van for free in his garage! Except
>> you'd have to move to St. Louis and live somewhere near (hopefully not
>> in with!) John. Like you, I'd have to pass on his electric car suggestion.
>>
>> Gotta ask him why he thinks there are electric car chargers all over the
>> place. Do you see many in or around where you live? I sure as hell
>> don't see any in the Beaufort, SC area. If my car runs out of gasoline,
>> it's readily available. My auto insurance includes emergency roadside
>> assistance so they'll bring me a few gallons of gas or tow it if there's
>> another problem.
>>
>> An electric car that runs out of juice when I'm out shopping or parked
>> for a few hours at work? If it was dead there'd be no way of charging
>> it. Not buying the electric car idea.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I could manage my commute with an electric car, but I don't have
> any faith in their ability to go in snow. I had a Toyota Matrix
> up until 2004, and there were days when it was impossible to get
> out of my driveway without stopping to shovel snow. I'm not
> talking a foot; it was a few inches (which up here is nuthin').
>

That sounds more like a tire problem. My wife drives a Matrix and she
has no problems dealing with snow.

On Sunday, April 14, 2019 at 10:51:50 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-04-14 7:24 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 8:01:02 PM UTC-4, jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 4/13/2019 11:30 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>> John Kuthe wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary wrote:
> >>>>> Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
> >>>>> get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
> >>>>> convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.
> >>>>
> >>>> You should go 100% electric and either get a used Nissan Leaf (80 miles a charge in my experience) or Tesla Model 3 which is speced at 300 miles a charge!
> >>>
> >>> I've got a nice Trek bike. Even cheaper than your electric car
> >>> and better for my health. All of my shopping is within a mile or
> >>> two. Anytime weather is bad, I can wait.
> >>>
> >> But Gary! You could charge your van for free in his garage! Except
> >> you'd have to move to St. Louis and live somewhere near (hopefully not
> >> in with!) John. Like you, I'd have to pass on his electric car suggestion.
> >>
> >> Gotta ask him why he thinks there are electric car chargers all over the
> >> place. Do you see many in or around where you live? I sure as hell
> >> don't see any in the Beaufort, SC area. If my car runs out of gasoline,
> >> it's readily available. My auto insurance includes emergency roadside
> >> assistance so they'll bring me a few gallons of gas or tow it if there's
> >> another problem.
> >>
> >> An electric car that runs out of juice when I'm out shopping or parked
> >> for a few hours at work? If it was dead there'd be no way of charging
> >> it. Not buying the electric car idea.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > I could manage my commute with an electric car, but I don't have
> > any faith in their ability to go in snow. I had a Toyota Matrix
> > up until 2004, and there were days when it was impossible to get
> > out of my driveway without stopping to shovel snow. I'm not
> > talking a foot; it was a few inches (which up here is nuthin').
> >
>
> That sounds more like a tire problem. My wife drives a Matrix and she
> has no problems dealing with snow.

The snow at the entrance to my driveway was frequently too deep.
the Matrix bottomed out on it and the tires didn't meet the pavement.

It's uphill from my driveway to the street. Since 2004 I've had a
Honda CRV and then a Toyota Highlander. Both had enough oomph to
get through the snow to the street.

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/13/2019 10:47 AM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>> cshenk, that is almost as little as I use....I gas up once about every two months. I get about 22 mpg in town, but I just never go anywhere...I drive about 2000 miles a year. The farthest I have gone in one trip in the past 3 years is 35 miles, one way. LOL.
>
> Just curious...how did you drive 35 miles one way?

Don't be dense. She made a trip, 35 miles in one direction. Double it
for round trip.

> Anyway, I'll take your 2000 per year and raise you my
> annual mileage.
>
> Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
> get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
> convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.
>
The convenience of having a vehicle is great. A guzzler, not so much.

Jill

Gary wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
>> cshenk, that is almost as little as I use....I gas up once about every two months. I get about 22 mpg in town, but I just never go anywhere...I drive about 2000 miles a year. The farthest I have gone in one trip in the past 3 years is 35 miles, one way. LOL.
> Just curious...how did you drive 35 miles one way?
> Did you never go home? Did you move that far one way?
>
> Anyway, I'll take your 2000 per year and raise you my
> annual mileage.
>
> Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
> get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
> convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.

Tow truck?

On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 10:01:17 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
> Gary wrote:
> > Nancy2 wrote:
> >> cshenk, that is almost as little as I use....I gas up once about every two months. I get about 22 mpg in town, but I just never go anywhere...I drive about 2000 miles a year. The farthest I have gone in one trip in the past 3 years is 35 miles, one way. LOL.
> > Just curious...how did you drive 35 miles one way?
> > Did you never go home? Did you move that far one way?
> >
> > Anyway, I'll take your 2000 per year and raise you my
> > annual mileage.
> >
> > Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
> > get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
> > convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.
>
> Tow truck?

Once, when I ran out of charge on the road! But I have AAA Plus for up to 100 miles of towing! Yay!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Careful Budgeter Of Miles Per Charge!

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 10:01:17 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>> Gary wrote:
>>> Nancy2 wrote:
>>>> cshenk, that is almost as little as I use....I gas up once about every two months. I get about 22 mpg in town, but I just never go anywhere...I drive about 2000 miles a year. The farthest I have gone in one trip in the past 3 years is 35 miles, one way. LOL.
>>> Just curious...how did you drive 35 miles one way?
>>> Did you never go home? Did you move that far one way?
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'll take your 2000 per year and raise you my
>>> annual mileage.
>>>
>>> Try 150 miles in the last 6 months. I should probably
>>> get rid of this thing. Cost per mile is a joke but
>>> convenience of having a vehicle on hand is priceless.
>> Tow truck?
> Once, when I ran out of charge on the road! But I have AAA Plus for up to 100 miles of towing! Yay!
>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Careful Budgeter Of Miles Per Charge!

This post wasn't about you. Not everything is about you. Learn to read
a thread and learn when to STFU.

Lol, Gary, no I meant that driving 35 miles one way (thus, 70 miles round trip) was as far as I ever
drove on a so-called trip. I guess it didn't make much sense. Sorry, my bad. ;-))

N.

Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Lol, Gary, no I meant that driving 35 miles one way (thus, 70 miles round trip) was as far as I ever
> drove on a so-called trip. I guess it didn't make much sense. Sorry, my bad. ;-))

heheh I was sure that's what you meant. Just playing. However,
it WAS a 70 mile trip, not a 35 miler. It's all good though.

I'm thinking about calling my insurance company and talking a
deal with them. You know...if you fly somewhere and rent a car
for say 3 days, you can just use your own insurance for that or
you can pay a bit extra and they will sell you their 3-days
insurance.

Naturally they won't want to sell me 3-4 days a month insurance.
Like each week only insure me for Wednesdays. I could easily just
drive on Wednesdays. If they refuse, I can cancel them and they
won't get any money from me ever again. DMV might require 24/7
insurance though and probably. It's worth checking into.

Gary, DMV rules are generally only for liability insurance...I'm sure you know that. Well,
unless you can prove fiscal ability to pay any claim. Have you checked with Liberty?
Their new "Limu Emu" commercials brag about individually tailored auto policies.
(Although your Wednesday-only stipulation might stretch their willingness.)

N.

Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Gary, DMV rules are generally only for liability insurance...I'm sure you know that. Well,
> unless you can prove fiscal ability to pay any claim. Have you checked with Liberty?
> Their new "Limu Emu" commercials brag about individually tailored auto policies.
> (Although your Wednesday-only stipulation might stretch their willingness.)

Yeah...I was only "playing" with that idea. Insurance companies
are "big business" and they wouldn't go along with it. Besides,
the past 6 months were a rare time to drive so little. I'll
probably *UP* the mileage in the next 6 months. I went ahead and
paid for it, no questions asked. It's not that much anyway, just
a per mile expense was up there (including gas and minor
repairs).