On 2018-12-08 5:08 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>

>> FWIW.... there are minimum wages for servers here. It is lower for
>> those serving alcohol, but it currently $12.20 /hr here.
>
> A waitress may only make 1.25 an hour and be expected to 'make of the
> rest in tips' which she then has to split with the cook and bus boy
> (cook and busboy make over minimum wage already).
>

I remain perplexed by the attitudes that I see being expressed here.
People feel obliged to leave a tip that is based on a percentage of the
cost of their meal and drinks, some claiming to tip 30% or more, but
reject the suggestion that the price of service being included in the
meal. They prefer to pay a percentage of their bill as a voluntary
gratuity to having a smaller amount added to the menu price.

Having eaten in places like Germany and the Netherlands, where
restaurant prices are a little higher than they are here, but include
tax and service, I like the idea of looking at the menu price and
knowing that we had two appetizers at $10, two entrees at $20, and a
bottle of wine for $30, then dessert and coffee for $10 each and the
bill is $110 than to have get see the menu prices 10% lower and then
getting a bill with taxes as (14% here) and then being expected to tip
$15 or more on top of that.

I think that you have to admit that there is a degree of sticker shock
when you get your bill and see the tax added and then being expected to
add 15% or more.