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On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:

> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
> show up.
> Halloween has died.

If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.

-sw

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Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>
> > Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
> > trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
> > won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
> > show up.
> > Halloween has died.
>
> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.

As I mentioned yesterday - buy the good candy then don't answer
the door. lol Screw those greedy little freeloader kids. They
shouldn't be begging at some strangers house for treats anyway.
What kind of slack parents let them do that? :-D LOL

You are correct though. Buy the candy the next day AFTER
halloween at good sale prices.

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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>
>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>> show up.
>> Halloween has died.
>
> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>
> -sw

Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.

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On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>>> show up.
>>> Halloween has died.
>>
>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come.Â* I used to
>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>
>> -sw
>
> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.

That's a goofy arrangement. Are you talking about solar-charged
(decorative) lighting? I have some of those by my driveway but they
don't light up the house. They turn themselves off about 5 hours later.
They aren't a "porch light".

Jill

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On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:20:29 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>>>> show up.
>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>
>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come.* I used to
>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
>> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.

Bullshit... somewhere there's an on/off switch.

>That's a goofy arrangement. Are you talking about solar-charged
>(decorative) lighting? I have some of those by my driveway but they
>don't light up the house. They turn themselves off about 5 hours later.
> They aren't a "porch light".
>
>Jill

I've never heard of such lighting as Julie's unless they're on a
timer, and that can be reset, or depowered.

I have several of those on at dusk off at dawn outside LED light
fixtures but they all have an on/off power switch... they replaced the
incandescent fixtures that all had the same on/off switch. No one in
their right mind installs outdoor lighting without an on/off switch...
I'll bet every light fixture/electrical appliance in her house has an
on/off switch or it has a plug that can be inserted or pulled out, ie
an electric clock, or it uses batteries that can be inserted or
removed.

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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>>>> show up.
>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>
>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
>> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>
> That's a goofy arrangement. Are you talking about solar-charged
> (decorative) lighting? I have some of those by my driveway but they don't
> light up the house. They turn themselves off about 5 hours later. They
> aren't a "porch light".

No. These are recessed lights up in the soffit. There are six of them. Two
near the garage, one on either side of the door and two near the end
bedroom. There is a switch to turn off those by the bedroom but no others. I
would have to say these are porch lights because they are on the porch.

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On 10/12/2018 6:27 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>>>>> show up.
>>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>>
>>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
>>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and
>>> the lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>>
>> That's a goofy arrangement.Â* Are you talking about solar-charged
>> (decorative) lighting?Â* I have some of those by my driveway but they
>> don't light up the house.Â* They turn themselves off about 5 hours
>> later. They aren't a "porch light".
>
> No. These are recessed lights up in the soffit.Â* There are six of them.
> Two near the garage, one on either side of the door and two near the end
> bedroom. There is a switch to turn off those by the bedroom but no
> others. I would have to say these are porch lights because they are on
> the porch.

Are they wired? I still don't understand.

Jill

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> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:20:29 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>>>>> show up.
>>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>>
>>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
>>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
>>> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>
> Bullshit... somewhere there's an on/off switch.
>
>>That's a goofy arrangement. Are you talking about solar-charged
>>(decorative) lighting? I have some of those by my driveway but they
>>don't light up the house. They turn themselves off about 5 hours later.
>> They aren't a "porch light".
>>
>>Jill
>
> I've never heard of such lighting as Julie's unless they're on a
> timer, and that can be reset, or depowered.
>
> I have several of those on at dusk off at dawn outside LED light
> fixtures but they all have an on/off power switch... they replaced the
> incandescent fixtures that all had the same on/off switch. No one in
> their right mind installs outdoor lighting without an on/off switch...
> I'll bet every light fixture/electrical appliance in her house has an
> on/off switch or it has a plug that can be inserted or pulled out, ie
> an electric clock, or it uses batteries that can be inserted or
> removed.

All kinds of weird stuff here. Former owner was an electrician.

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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/12/2018 6:27 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> show up.
>>>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
>>>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
>>>> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>>>
>>> That's a goofy arrangement. Are you talking about solar-charged
>>> (decorative) lighting? I have some of those by my driveway but they
>>> don't light up the house. They turn themselves off about 5 hours later.
>>> They aren't a "porch light".
>>
>> No. These are recessed lights up in the soffit. There are six of them.
>> Two near the garage, one on either side of the door and two near the end
>> bedroom. There is a switch to turn off those by the bedroom but no
>> others. I would have to say these are porch lights because they are on
>> the porch.
>
> Are they wired? I still don't understand.

Not sure what you mean by wired. If you mean as in hard wired, yes.

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On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 20:58:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:20:29 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>>>>>> show up.
>>>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
>>>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
>>>> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>>
>> Bullshit... somewhere there's an on/off switch.
>>
>>>That's a goofy arrangement. Are you talking about solar-charged
>>>(decorative) lighting? I have some of those by my driveway but they
>>>don't light up the house. They turn themselves off about 5 hours later.
>>> They aren't a "porch light".
>>>
>>>Jill
>>
>> I've never heard of such lighting as Julie's unless they're on a
>> timer, and that can be reset, or depowered.
>>
>> I have several of those on at dusk off at dawn outside LED light
>> fixtures but they all have an on/off power switch... they replaced the
>> incandescent fixtures that all had the same on/off switch. No one in
>> their right mind installs outdoor lighting without an on/off switch...
>> I'll bet every light fixture/electrical appliance in her house has an
>> on/off switch or it has a plug that can be inserted or pulled out, ie
>> an electric clock, or it uses batteries that can be inserted or
>> removed.
>
>All kinds of weird stuff here. Former owner was an electrician.

The only weird one there is YOU! A real electrician would have placed
a switch in that line.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:17:46 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:

> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>>> show up.
>>> Halloween has died.
>>
>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>
>> -sw
>
> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.

Yes you can, you just don't want to admit there's a switch to turn
that off. And you suspect you know where that switch is, too. This
is just another of your fabricated "Oddities in the Boverse".

-sw

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On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 18:10:34 -0400, wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:20:29 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>>>>> show up.
>>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>>
>>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come.* I used to
>>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
>>> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>
> Bullshit... somewhere there's an on/off switch.
>
>>That's a goofy arrangement. Are you talking about solar-charged
>>(decorative) lighting? I have some of those by my driveway but they
>>don't light up the house. They turn themselves off about 5 hours later.
>> They aren't a "porch light".
>>
>>Jill
>
> I've never heard of such lighting as Julie's unless they're on a
> timer, and that can be reset, or depowered.

They're photoelectric controlled lights. Plenty of places use them
to turn on lights when the sensor detects that it starts to get
dark. It costs about $12 in hardware to wire an external sensor
into a 120V circuit or single light.

-sw

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On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 00:22:01 -0400, wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 20:58:37 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>All kinds of weird stuff here. Former owner was an electrician.
>
> The only weird one there is YOU! A real electrician would have placed
> a switch in that line.

There's definitely a switch. She just doesn't want to admit it
because she wants to be "special" by claiming she can't do something
that normal people can <yawn>

-sw

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On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:20:29 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> >On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
> >>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
> >>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
> >>>> show up.
> >>>> Halloween has died.
> >>>
> >>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come.Â* I used to
> >>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
> >>>
> >>> -sw
> >>
> >> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
> >> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>
> Bullshit... somewhere there's an on/off switch.

Installed by an electrician who was so annoyed at having to deal
with Julie that he installed them without a switch.

What do you want to bet that she's got a switch somewhere that she
can't figure out what it does?

Cindy Hamilton

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On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 03:45:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:20:29 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>>>>>> show up.
>>>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come.* I used to
>>>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
>>>> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>>
>> Bullshit... somewhere there's an on/off switch.
>
> Installed by an electrician who was so annoyed at having to deal
> with Julie that he installed them without a switch.

Ahh, but remember he was the former owner of the house. He PREDICTED
a Julie-type would move in and did that just to confuse her.

> What do you want to bet that she's got a switch somewhere that she
> can't figure out what it does?

Most certainly. The alleged lack of switch adds to her dramatic
life.

-sw

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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:17:46 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>>>> show up.
>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>
>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
>> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>
> Yes you can, you just don't want to admit there's a switch to turn
> that off. And you suspect you know where that switch is, too. This
> is just another of your fabricated "Oddities in the Boverse".

None that we know of. We had the former owners label every switch because we
couldn't figure out what some did. Turned out some were just switches, never
connected to anything. Just because someone is an electrician, doesn't mean
he is a good one.

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On 10/13/18 7:16 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

> None that we know of. We had the former owners label every switch
> because we couldn't figure out what some did. Turned out some were just
> switches, never connected to anything. Just because someone is an
> electrician, doesn't mean he is a good one.

Did you take the switch plate off and see that no wires were connected
to the switch or did you assume since you don't see it operating
anything it is not connected?

You probably know this but FWIW some wall switches switch only 1/2 (i.e.
top or bottom part of wall plug). You should test the plugs one at a
time with wall switch in both positions to verify that nothing becomes
hot. Use a lamp or test light. It is highly unusual that an
electrician would use up a perfectly good switch rather than a dummy
plate plug. And installing dead switches is probably a code violation.

One exception I can think of is in a room with a ceiling fan. There
could be a separate switch for the fan and a switch for the fan light
kit. If the fan doesn't have a light kit installed the wall light
switch for the fan light will not operate anything. That wire however is
deadheaded at the fan not at the switch.

Most every time a switch will be wired and is "switching" something.

jay

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On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 10:32:06 AM UTC-5, jay wrote:
> On 10/13/18 7:16 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > None that we know of. We had the former owners label every switch
> > because we couldn't figure out what some did. Turned out some were just
> > switches, never connected to anything. Just because someone is an
> > electrician, doesn't mean he is a good one.
>
> Did you take the switch plate off and see that no wires were connected
> to the switch or did you assume since you don't see it operating
> anything it is not connected?
>
> You probably know this but FWIW some wall switches switch only 1/2 (i.e.
> top or bottom part of wall plug). You should test the plugs one at a
> time with wall switch in both positions to verify that nothing becomes
> hot. Use a lamp or test light. It is highly unusual that an
> electrician would use up a perfectly good switch rather than a dummy
> plate plug. And installing dead switches is probably a code violation.
>
> One exception I can think of is in a room with a ceiling fan. There
> could be a separate switch for the fan and a switch for the fan light
> kit. If the fan doesn't have a light kit installed the wall light
> switch for the fan light will not operate anything. That wire however is
> deadheaded at the fan not at the switch.
>
> Most every time a switch will be wired and is "switching" something.
>
> jay

That's a very good point! Every switch installed switched something!

Some switches are two way though! I can turn them on or off from either switch.

John Kuthe...

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Julie, is there a dedicated breaker for those soffit lights? There might be.

OTOH, I have seen some newer houses around here that have outside lights on all the time, day or
night, especially on either side of a garage door. I think if the home owner could turn them off,
they would be turned off in the daytime. But I haven't ever asked.

N.

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On 10/13/18 11:34 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Julie, is there a dedicated breaker for those soffit lights? There might be.
>
> OTOH, I have seen some newer houses around here that have outside lights on all the time, day or
> night, especially on either side of a garage door. I think if the home owner could turn them off,
> they would be turned off in the daytime. But I haven't ever asked.
>
> N.
>

Seldom to never does one set of (2) 120v lights have a dedicated
breaker. They will be on a circuit of a larger number of lights that
draw less than the usual 20amps that is normally on a lighting circuit.
And a homeowner should not be going to a breaker box to switch things
off/on daily. Breakers are not meant to be "switches."

You are right that some will leave those lights on all the time. One
reason may be that they forget to turn them off or don't want to turn
on/off everyday when needed and sometimes the switch is in the garage
which adds another layer to not wanting to deal with on/off. Photocell
fixes it.

For those cases I buy bulbs with a photocell built into the bulb itself.
Very easy solution.

jay

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On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 7:15:13 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:

>
> That's a very good point! Every switch installed switched something!
>
> Some switches are two way though! I can turn them on or off from either switch.
>
> John Kuthe...

Oddly enough, it's called a "3 way" circuit. Why 3 way? I don't know. The circuit can also be seen as a NOR gate from a logical point of view.

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On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 03:45:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:20:29 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>> >>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>> >>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>> >>>> show up.
>> >>>> Halloween has died.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come.* I used to
>> >>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>> >>>
>> >>> -sw
>> >>
>> >> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
>> >> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>>
>> Bullshit... somewhere there's an on/off switch.
>
>Installed by an electrician who was so annoyed at having to deal
>with Julie that he installed them without a switch.
>
>What do you want to bet that she's got a switch somewhere that she
>can't figure out what it does?
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Where I live when a licensened electrician installs outside lighting
the law is he must install a switch indoors.

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On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 06:16:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:17:46 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>>>>> show up.
>>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>>
>>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
>>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
>>> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>>
>> Yes you can, you just don't want to admit there's a switch to turn
>> that off. And you suspect you know where that switch is, too. This
>> is just another of your fabricated "Oddities in the Boverse".
>
>None that we know of. We had the former owners label every switch because we
>couldn't figure out what some did. Turned out some were just switches, never
>connected to anything. Just because someone is an electrician, doesn't mean
>he is a good one.

Licenced electricians need to wire to code, sign off on the job, and
give the property owner and the town's code enforcement office
a certificate that satisfies the fire underwriters. Failure to do so
the electrician will lose their license.

Not only are you eerily weird you are also dumber than deer scat. if
hard wired you definitely have a switch for that outdoor lighting...
or it's those low voltage lighting fixtures on an extension cord
installed by the homeowner... low voltage circuits like doorbells and
thermostats are on a small transformer (about the size of a deck of
cards) that's typically mounted near the circuit breaker panel.

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On 10/13/2018 4:19 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 03:45:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:20:29 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>>>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one will
>>>>>>> show up.
>>>>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come.Â* I used to
>>>>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>
>>>>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
>>>>> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>>>
>>> Bullshit... somewhere there's an on/off switch.
>>
>> Installed by an electrician who was so annoyed at having to deal
>> with Julie that he installed them without a switch.
>>
>> What do you want to bet that she's got a switch somewhere that she
>> can't figure out what it does?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Where I live when a licensened electrician installs outside lighting
> the law is he must install a switch indoors.
>
IIRC, Julie has always claimed this "electrician" who used to own the
house did things that weren't up to code. How the house ever passed
inspection when it was up for sale is a mystery.

Jill

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On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 20:37:52 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 06:16:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> Licenced electricians need to wire to code, sign off on the job, and
>> give the property owner and the town's code enforcement office
>> a certificate that satisfies the fire underwriters. Failure to do so
>> the electrician will lose their license.
>>
>> Not only are you eerily weird you are also dumber than deer scat. if
>> hard wired you definitely have a switch for that outdoor lighting...
>> or it's those low voltage lighting fixtures on an extension cord
>> installed by the homeowner... low voltage circuits like doorbells and
>> thermostats are on a small transformer (about the size of a deck of
>> cards) that's typically mounted near the circuit breaker panel.
>>
>
>Hush Popeye! Do yoose realize this idiotic woman doesn't even have a
>basement with RO water filter.

It could be worse. She could have a double sink!

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On 10/13/18 1:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 7:15:13 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>
>>
>> That's a very good point! Every switch installed switched something!
>>
>> Some switches are two way though! I can turn them on or off from either switch.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> Oddly enough, it's called a "3 way" circuit. Why 3 way? I don't know. The circuit can also be seen as a NOR gate from a logical point of view.
>

3 way has 3 terminals. 2 way has 2. You can use a 3 way for 2 way
application.

jay

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On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 20:04:57 -0600, jay > wrote:

>On 10/13/18 1:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 7:15:13 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's a very good point! Every switch installed switched something!
>>>
>>> Some switches are two way though! I can turn them on or off from either switch.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> Oddly enough, it's called a "3 way" circuit. Why 3 way? I don't know. The circuit can also be seen as a NOR gate from a logical point of view.
>>
>
>3 way has 3 terminals. 2 way has 2. You can use a 3 way for 2 way
>application.

Is that like having 2 people in a car that fits 4?

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On 10/13/18 8:06 PM, Brice wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 20:04:57 -0600, jay > wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/18 1:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 7:15:13 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a very good point! Every switch installed switched something!
>>>>
>>>> Some switches are two way though! I can turn them on or off from either switch.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> Oddly enough, it's called a "3 way" circuit. Why 3 way? I don't know. The circuit can also be seen as a NOR gate from a logical point of view.
>>>
>>
>> 3 way has 3 terminals. 2 way has 2. You can use a 3 way for 2 way
>> application.
>
> Is that like having 2 people in a car that fits 4?
>

Yes sort of. More like having 2 people in a car that fits 3. There is
also a 4 way switch :) You are correct though that the switch Kuthe
describes as 2 way is actually a 3 way not a 2 way. A two way is on/off
same switch. On/off top or bottom of stairs (typical example) or two
different locations is 3 way.

jay

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"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
> Julie, is there a dedicated breaker for those soffit lights? There might
> be.
>
> OTOH, I have seen some newer houses around here that have outside lights
> on all the time, day or
> night, especially on either side of a garage door. I think if the home
> owner could turn them off,
> they would be turned off in the daytime. But I haven't ever asked.

No clue. I will look.

The sensor for the lights at the back house is in a poor spot. I think they
installed it and then put the cover over it. Therefore the lights are on all
the time. Gardener is going to move the sensor.

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"jay" > wrote in message ...
> On 10/13/18 7:16 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> None that we know of. We had the former owners label every switch because
>> we couldn't figure out what some did. Turned out some were just switches,
>> never connected to anything. Just because someone is an electrician,
>> doesn't mean he is a good one.
>
> Did you take the switch plate off and see that no wires were connected to
> the switch or did you assume since you don't see it operating anything it
> is not connected?
>
> You probably know this but FWIW some wall switches switch only 1/2 (i.e.
> top or bottom part of wall plug). You should test the plugs one at a time
> with wall switch in both positions to verify that nothing becomes hot.
> Use a lamp or test light. It is highly unusual that an electrician would
> use up a perfectly good switch rather than a dummy plate plug. And
> installing dead switches is probably a code violation.
>
> One exception I can think of is in a room with a ceiling fan. There could
> be a separate switch for the fan and a switch for the fan light kit. If
> the fan doesn't have a light kit installed the wall light switch for the
> fan light will not operate anything. That wire however is deadheaded at
> the fan not at the switch.
>
> Most every time a switch will be wired and is "switching" something.

We took nothing off. We just asked that everything be labeled. We were told
that he had intended to put spot lights in here and there but never did. The
lighting in here is insane! I have 5 spot lights in this room. I think there
are 4 in the living room. Three in my bedroom in addition to the 4 lights on
the ceiling fan. At least a dozen spotlights (I'm not going to go count) in
the kitchen. I had the ones in the kitchen put on a dimmer because even with
the lowest wattage, they were still too bright. I do turn the kitchen ones
on only if it is dark and only if I'm going to be in there for a while and
need good light. The others only get turned on if something goes missing and
we have to hunt for it. Just too much brightness and heat put off by those
things.

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"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 10:32:06 AM UTC-5, jay wrote:
>> On 10/13/18 7:16 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> > None that we know of. We had the former owners label every switch
>> > because we couldn't figure out what some did. Turned out some were just
>> > switches, never connected to anything. Just because someone is an
>> > electrician, doesn't mean he is a good one.
>>
>> Did you take the switch plate off and see that no wires were connected
>> to the switch or did you assume since you don't see it operating
>> anything it is not connected?
>>
>> You probably know this but FWIW some wall switches switch only 1/2 (i.e.
>> top or bottom part of wall plug). You should test the plugs one at a
>> time with wall switch in both positions to verify that nothing becomes
>> hot. Use a lamp or test light. It is highly unusual that an
>> electrician would use up a perfectly good switch rather than a dummy
>> plate plug. And installing dead switches is probably a code violation.
>>
>> One exception I can think of is in a room with a ceiling fan. There
>> could be a separate switch for the fan and a switch for the fan light
>> kit. If the fan doesn't have a light kit installed the wall light
>> switch for the fan light will not operate anything. That wire however is
>> deadheaded at the fan not at the switch.
>>
>> Most every time a switch will be wired and is "switching" something.
>>
>> jay
>
> That's a very good point! Every switch installed switched something!
>
> Some switches are two way though! I can turn them on or off from either
> switch.

We have tons of those and one that is connected to an outlet. Why? I don't
know. The outlet is not in a place where you would put a lamp.

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> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 06:16:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:17:46 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy and
>>>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> show up.
>>>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
>>>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and the
>>>> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>>>
>>> Yes you can, you just don't want to admit there's a switch to turn
>>> that off. And you suspect you know where that switch is, too. This
>>> is just another of your fabricated "Oddities in the Boverse".
>>
>>None that we know of. We had the former owners label every switch because
>>we
>>couldn't figure out what some did. Turned out some were just switches,
>>never
>>connected to anything. Just because someone is an electrician, doesn't
>>mean
>>he is a good one.
>
> Licenced electricians need to wire to code, sign off on the job, and
> give the property owner and the town's code enforcement office
> a certificate that satisfies the fire underwriters. Failure to do so
> the electrician will lose their license.

I don't know if he was licensed or not. He was the home owner. The home
owner can do whatever. Doesn't mean it has to be right.
>
> Not only are you eerily weird you are also dumber than deer scat. if
> hard wired you definitely have a switch for that outdoor lighting...
> or it's those low voltage lighting fixtures on an extension cord
> installed by the homeowner... low voltage circuits like doorbells and
> thermostats are on a small transformer (about the size of a deck of
> cards) that's typically mounted near the circuit breaker panel.

Dunno.

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"Brice" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 20:37:52 -0500, Hank Rogers >
> wrote:
>
wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 06:16:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>
>>> Licenced electricians need to wire to code, sign off on the job, and
>>> give the property owner and the town's code enforcement office
>>> a certificate that satisfies the fire underwriters. Failure to do so
>>> the electrician will lose their license.
>>>
>>> Not only are you eerily weird you are also dumber than deer scat. if
>>> hard wired you definitely have a switch for that outdoor lighting...
>>> or it's those low voltage lighting fixtures on an extension cord
>>> installed by the homeowner... low voltage circuits like doorbells and
>>> thermostats are on a small transformer (about the size of a deck of
>>> cards) that's typically mounted near the circuit breaker panel.
>>>
>>
>>Hush Popeye! Do yoose realize this idiotic woman doesn't even have a
>>basement with RO water filter.
>
> It could be worse. She could have a double sink!

I do.

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> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 03:45:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:20:29 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> >> ...
>>> >>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>> >>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy
>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one
>>> >>>> will
>>> >>>> show up.
>>> >>>> Halloween has died.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
>>> >>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -sw
>>> >>
>>> >> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and
>>> >> the
>>> >> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>>>
>>> Bullshit... somewhere there's an on/off switch.
>>
>>Installed by an electrician who was so annoyed at having to deal
>>with Julie that he installed them without a switch.
>>
>>What do you want to bet that she's got a switch somewhere that she
>>can't figure out what it does?
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
> Where I live when a licensened electrician installs outside lighting
> the law is he must install a switch indoors.

I don't live where you do. And all switches are labeled.

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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/13/2018 4:19 PM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 03:45:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:20:29 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/11/2018 7:17 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:58:00 -0400, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every year I buy some bags of candy but for the past ten years no
>>>>>>>> trick or treaters have shown up so this year I've bought no candy
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> won't be bothering with answering my doorbell and I'm sure no one
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> show up.
>>>>>>>> Halloween has died.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you just turn out your porch light, nobody will come. I used to
>>>>>>> just leave the house every Halloween but realized that unnecessary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not an option for me. My house is lighted all across the front and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> lights come on at dusk. Can't turn them off.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit... somewhere there's an on/off switch.
>>>
>>> Installed by an electrician who was so annoyed at having to deal
>>> with Julie that he installed them without a switch.
>>>
>>> What do you want to bet that she's got a switch somewhere that she
>>> can't figure out what it does?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Where I live when a licensened electrician installs outside lighting
>> the law is he must install a switch indoors.
>>
> IIRC, Julie has always claimed this "electrician" who used to own the
> house did things that weren't up to code. How the house ever passed
> inspection when it was up for sale is a mystery.

It did pass but some things were not up to code. Not electrical things.
Remember, codes change. Might have been up to code when it was built.

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"Brice" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 20:37:52 -0500, Hank Rogers >
> wrote:
>
wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 06:16:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>
>>> Licenced electricians need to wire to code, sign off on the job, and
>>> give the property owner and the town's code enforcement office
>>> a certificate that satisfies the fire underwriters. Failure to do so
>>> the electrician will lose their license.
>>>
>>> Not only are you eerily weird you are also dumber than deer scat. if
>>> hard wired you definitely have a switch for that outdoor lighting...
>>> or it's those low voltage lighting fixtures on an extension cord
>>> installed by the homeowner... low voltage circuits like doorbells and
>>> thermostats are on a small transformer (about the size of a deck of
>>> cards) that's typically mounted near the circuit breaker panel.
>>>
>>
>>Hush Popeye! Do yoose realize this idiotic woman doesn't even have a
>>basement with RO water filter.
>
> It could be worse. She could have a double sink!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIMmKlAo3pc

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On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 4:05:00 PM UTC-10, jay wrote:
>
> 3 way has 3 terminals. 2 way has 2. You can use a 3 way for 2 way
> application.
>
> jay

Well that makes sense - but it's a weird way to name a switch. Electronics guys would call that kind of switch a spdt switch - single pole double throw.