I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
with the built-in spout that you can open and close.

Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?

"tert in seattle" > wrote in message
news
> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>
> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?


I use a paring knife.

Cheri

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 11:50:05 AM UTC-5, tert in seattle wrote:
> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>
> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?

Same reason Mother Gaia does Her things:

That which works best!

Cardboard container, completely biodegradable and renewable.

What, you want just ANOTHER USE FOR PLASTICS? **** Plastics!! :-(

John Kuthe...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 16:46:09 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

>I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
>with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>
>Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
>there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>
I use a table knife or you can buy iodized salt in the bulk section in
my store. That way you could package up your stash of salt in any
container you like. Check it out.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 16:46:09 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle wrote:

> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>
> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?

You just have to be smarter than the container.

-sw

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>
> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?

I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.

Cindy Hamilton

writes:
>On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>
>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>
>I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
Bending the tip is a good idea though.

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:04 PM UTC-5, tert in seattle wrote:
> writes:
> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> >> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
> >> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
> >>
> >> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> >> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
> >
> >I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
> >knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
> >spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
> Bending the tip is a good idea though.

The worst design fails for that are these things sold encased in hard clear plastic shells that you have to practically gore yourself with a sharp knife to get into!

John Kuthe...

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> writes:
> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> >> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
> >> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
> >>
> >> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> >> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
> >
> >I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
> >knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
> >spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
> Bending the tip is a good idea though.

You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.

Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.

Cindy Hamilton

writes:
>On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>> writes:
>> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>> >> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
>> >> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>> >>
>> >> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
>> >> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>> >
>> >I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>> >knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>> >spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
>> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
>> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>
>You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
>failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
>
>Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
that how progress is made, by complaining?

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 11:50:05 AM UTC-5, tert in seattle wrote:
>
> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>
> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>
I have a short little sharp awl that I use in the kitchen. Works great for
that salt spout. Works great, too, for bottles and jars that have an inner
seal but no tab to grasp. Poke a hole in the seal, tear it a bit with the
awl and then pull that seal off.

This little tool is actually a jewelry awl I bought 2 or 3 years ago.

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> writes:
> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> >> writes:
> >> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> >> >> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
> >> >> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> >> >> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
> >> >
> >> >I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
> >> >knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
> >> >spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
> >> >
> >> >Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
> >> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
> >> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
> >
> >You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
> >failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
> >
> >Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
> that how progress is made, by complaining?

Generally it's by action on the part of a person who's unhappy with
the status quo.

We can collectively grumble about it until the heat death of the universe,
but nothing will change.

Cindy Hamilton

writes:
>On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>> writes:
>> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>> >> writes:
>> >> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>> >> >> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark
>blue cylinder
>> >> >> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
>> >> >> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>> >> >knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>> >> >spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
>> >> >
>> >> >Cindy Hamilton
>> >>
>> >> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
>> >> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
>> >> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>> >
>> >You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
>> >failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
>> >
>> >Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
>> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
>> that how progress is made, by complaining?
>
>Generally it's by action on the part of a person who's unhappy with
>the status quo.
>
>We can collectively grumble about it until the heat death of the universe,
>but nothing will change.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

some people like Sheldon will be able to complain right up until that
point, long after their corporeal existence has ended (and salt has
become irrelevant) - they have a special power, transcendental kvetching

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 6:50:05 AM UTC-10, tert in seattle wrote:
> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>
> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?

Just grab a kitchen knife and pry that sucker off. Alternatively, you could cut the top off the box and pouring the salt into a covered container. That might work.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:35:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>
>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>
>I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I have that paring knife too! My husband misplaced it once and I made
him find it. That knife slides under the paper seals that are placed
on screw top containers to prevent tampering.

writes:
>On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:35:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
>>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
>>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>>
>>I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>>knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>>spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>I have that paring knife too! My husband misplaced it once and I made
>him find it. That knife slides under the paper seals that are placed
>on screw top containers to prevent tampering.

I keep a pocket knife on the windowsill behind the kitchen sink for
opening all sorts of food packaging. I've had that for almost 20 years.
I also have a 20 year old micra leatherman. Both have been misplaced
and re-found several times during that interval.

l not -l wrote:
> On 9-Oct-2018, tert in seattle > wrote:
>
>> writes:
>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>> writes:
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue
>>>>>> cylinder
>>>>>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or
>>>>>> whatever) ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>>>>> knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>>>>> spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next
>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not
>>>> allowed.
>>>> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
>>>> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>>>
>>> You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
>>> failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
>>>
>>> Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
>> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
>> that how progress is made, by complaining?
>
> Are many people grumbling about this particular "design failure"? I have
> never given it a moment's thought nor, until your post, have I ever
> seen/heard anyone mention it, much less identify it as a problem. It seems
> you must have an idyllic life if this "design failure" is what you find
> concerning enough to grumble about.
>
>

How about pouring it into one of those glass canisters with wide mouth
latching lid. Like the ones for flour, etc. It could then be spooned or
scooped out easily.

writes:
>
>On 9-Oct-2018, tert in seattle > wrote:
>
>> writes:
>> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>> >> writes:
>> >> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue
>> >> >> cylinder
>> >> >> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail
>> >> >> under
>> >> >> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or
>> >> >> whatever) ?
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>> >> >knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>> >> >spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next
>> >> >time.
>> >> >
>> >> >Cindy Hamilton
>> >>
>> >> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not
>> >> allowed.
>> >> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
>> >> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>> >
>> >You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
>> >failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
>> >
>> >Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
>> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
>> that how progress is made, by complaining?
>
>Are many people grumbling about this particular "design failure"? I have
>never given it a moment's thought nor, until your post, have I ever
>seen/heard anyone mention it, much less identify it as a problem. It seems
>you must have an idyllic life if this "design failure" is what you find
>concerning enough to grumble about.

yep it's all unicorns and ice cream cones over here

tert in seattle wrote:

> writes:
> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> >> writes:
> >> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> >> >> writes:
> >> >> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> >> >> >> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark
> >blue cylinder
> >> >> >> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> >> >> >> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
> >> >> >knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
> >> >> >spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Cindy Hamilton
> >> >>
> >> >> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
> >> >> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
> >> >> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
> >> >
> >> >You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
> >> >failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
> >> >
> >> >Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
> >> >
> >> >Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
> >> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
> >> that how progress is made, by complaining?
> >
> >Generally it's by action on the part of a person who's unhappy with
> >the status quo.
> >
> >We can collectively grumble about it until the heat death of the universe,
> >but nothing will change.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> some people like Sheldon will be able to complain right up until that
> point, long after their corporeal existence has ended (and salt has
> become irrelevant) - they have a special power, transcendental kvetching


You should buy the salt that comes in a breast - shaped container, tert...you squeeze teh nipple - shaped pour spout and a plethora of salt gushes forth...

--
Best
Greg

"tert in seattle" > wrote in message
news
> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>
> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?

If I have that kind, I use a knife. But mostly I use Real Salt.

"l not -l" wrote in message ...


On 9-Oct-2018, tert in seattle > wrote:

> writes:
> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> >> writes:
> >> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue
> >> >> cylinder
> >> >> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail
> >> >> under
> >> >> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or
> >> >> whatever) ?
> >> >
> >> >I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
> >> >knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
> >> >spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next
> >> >time.
> >> >
> >> >Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not
> >> allowed.
> >> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
> >> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
> >
> >You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
> >failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
> >
> >Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
> that how progress is made, by complaining?

Are many people grumbling about this particular "design failure"? I have
never given it a moment's thought nor, until your post, have I ever
seen/heard anyone mention it, much less identify it as a problem. It seems
you must have an idyllic life if this "design failure" is what you find
concerning enough to grumble about.

==

I can't visualise what you are all discussing. Any chance of a pic please?

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 4:25:41 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:

> I can't visualise what you are all discussing. Any chance of a pic please?

This perfectly illustrates tert's point that the design hasn't changed in
100 years:

<https://www.mortonsalt.com/heritage-era/roaring-20s-and-beyond/>

These days, the spout is a piece of bent aluminum.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> "tert in seattle" > wrote in message
> news
> > I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
> > with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
> >
> > Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> > there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>
> If I have that kind, I use a knife. But mostly I use Real Salt.

I had to look. It's "sea salt" mined in Utah. So, apart from not
being washed, it's no different from Morton's un-iodized.

On Amazon it's 10 bucks for 24 ounces.

Cindy Hamilton

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 4:25:41 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:

> I can't visualise what you are all discussing. Any chance of a pic
> please?

This perfectly illustrates tert's point that the design hasn't changed in
100 years:

<https://www.mortonsalt.com/heritage-era/roaring-20s-and-beyond/>

These days, the spout is a piece of bent aluminum.

Cindy Hamilton

==

Ahhh yes I know that very well))) Thanks

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 08:35:14 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"l not -l" wrote in message ...
>
>
>On 9-Oct-2018, tert in seattle > wrote:
>
>> writes:
>> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>> >> writes:
>> >> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue
>> >> >> cylinder
>> >> >> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail
>> >> >> under
>> >> >> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or
>> >> >> whatever) ?

About every five years or so when I open a new container of salt I
flip up that spout with a paring knife, I've never thought to use my
finger nail.

>> >> >I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>> >> >knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>> >> >spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next
>> >> >time.
>> >> >
>> >> >Cindy Hamilton
>> >>
>> >> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not
>> >> allowed.
>> >> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
>> >> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>> >
>> >You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
>> >failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
>> >
>> >Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
>> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
>> that how progress is made, by complaining?
>
>Are many people grumbling about this particular "design failure"? I have
>never given it a moment's thought nor, until your post, have I ever
>seen/heard anyone mention it, much less identify it as a problem. It seems
>you must have an idyllic life if this "design failure" is what you find
>concerning enough to grumble about.
>
>==
>
>I can't visualise what you are all discussing. Any chance of a pic please?
>

On 10/9/2018 12:56 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 11:50:05 AM UTC-5, tert in seattle wrote:
>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>
>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>
> Same reason Mother Gaia does Her things:
>
> That which works best!
>
> Cardboard container, completely biodegradable and renewable.
>
> What, you want just ANOTHER USE FOR PLASTICS? **** Plastics!! :-(
>
> John Kuthe...
>
Please shut up and go take your meds.

Jill

On 10/9/2018 1:48 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
> writes:
>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
>>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
>>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>>
>> I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>> knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>> spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>
Tools aren't allowed? tert, I didn't realize your post was intended for
toddlers.

Jill

On 10/10/2018 12:37 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 08:35:14 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "l not -l" wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> On 9-Oct-2018, tert in seattle > wrote:
>>
>>> writes:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>> writes:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue
>>>>>>> cylinder
>>>>>>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or
>>>>>>> whatever) ?
>
> About every five years or so when I open a new container of salt I
> flip up that spout with a paring knife, I've never thought to use my
> finger nail.
>
>>>>>> I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>>>>>> knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>>>>>> spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not
>>>>> allowed.
>>>>> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
>>>>> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>>>>
>>>> You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
>>>> failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
>>>>
>>>> Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
>>> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
>>> that how progress is made, by complaining?
>>
>> Are many people grumbling about this particular "design failure"? I have
>> never given it a moment's thought nor, until your post, have I ever
>> seen/heard anyone mention it, much less identify it as a problem. It seems
>> you must have an idyllic life if this "design failure" is what you find
>> concerning enough to grumble about.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> I can't visualise what you are all discussing. Any chance of a pic please?
>>
I picture of what? A cardboard carton of salt with a small metal spout?
I don't see it as a design failure, either.

Jill

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 7:11:19 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 10/9/2018 1:48 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
> > writes:
> >> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
> >>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
> >>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
> >>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
> >>
> >> I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
> >> knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
> >> spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
> > Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
> > Bending the tip is a good idea though.
> >
> Tools aren't allowed? tert, I didn't realize your post was intended for
> toddlers.
>
> Jill

Cindy had a good idea. Bend the tip up. Requires no tools but a butter knife usually helps a lot!

John Kuthe...

On 10/10/2018 9:43 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 7:11:19 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 10/9/2018 1:48 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
>>> writes:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue cylinder
>>>>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
>>>>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>>>> knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>>>> spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
>>> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
>>> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>>>
>> Tools aren't allowed? tert, I didn't realize your post was intended for
>> toddlers.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Cindy had a good idea. Bend the tip up. Requires no tools but a butter knife usually helps a lot!
>
> John Kuthe...
>
FYI, a butter knife is a "tool". I really never found opening the metal
spout on a cannister of salt all that difficult.

Jill

On 10/9/2018 3:06 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
> writes:
>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>> writes:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>> writes:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark
>> blue cylinder
>>>>>>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
>>>>>>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>>>>>> knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>>>>>> spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
>>>>> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
>>>>> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>>>>
>>>> You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
>>>> failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
>>>>
>>>> Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
>>> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
>>> that how progress is made, by complaining?
>>
>> Generally it's by action on the part of a person who's unhappy with
>> the status quo.
>>
>> We can collectively grumble about it until the heat death of the universe,
>> but nothing will change.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> some people like Sheldon will be able to complain right up until that
> point, long after their corporeal existence has ended (and salt has
> become irrelevant) - they have a special power, transcendental kvetching
>
tert, you're the one making it sound like opening the spout on a
cardboard cannister of salt is difficult.

Jill

>> On 9-Oct-2018, tert in seattle > wrote:
>>
>>> writes:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>> writes:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue
>>>>>>> cylinder
>>>>>>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or
>>>>>>> whatever) ?
>
>>
>> I can't visualise what you are all discussing. Any chance of a pic please?
>>

Per your request.

https://i.postimg.cc/1XHQVgj0/morton_salt.jpg

It's not like opening the spout on a container of salt is incredibly
difficult.

Jill

On 10/10/2018 3:35 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "l not -l"* wrote in message ...
>
>
> On* 9-Oct-2018, tert in seattle > wrote:
>
>> writes:
>> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>> >> writes:
>> >> >On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue
>> >> >> cylinder
>> >> >> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail
>> >> >> under
>> >> >> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or
>> >> >> whatever) ?
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short).* I use a paring
>> >> >knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers
>> the
>> >> >spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next
>> >> >time.
>> >> >
>> >> >Cindy Hamilton
>> >>
>> >> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not
>> >> allowed.
>> >> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
>> >> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>> >
>> >You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then.* The design
>> >failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
>> >
>> >Be a hominin.* Use the tool.* Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
>> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
>> that how progress is made, by complaining?
>
> Are many people grumbling about this particular "design failure"?* I have
> never given it a moment's thought nor, until your post, have I ever
> seen/heard anyone mention it, much less identify it as a problem.* It seems
> you must have an idyllic life if this "design failure" is what you find
> concerning enough to grumble about.
>
> ==
>
> I can't visualise what you are all discussing.* Any chance of a pic please?
>
>
Like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/1XHQVgj0/morton_salt.jpg

It's just a cannister of salt with a metal spout. Nothing difficult for
most folks to manage.

Jill

On 10/9/2018 6:41 PM, l not -l wrote:
> On 9-Oct-2018, tert in seattle > wrote:
>
>> writes:
>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>> writes:
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue
>>>>>> cylinder
>>>>>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or
>>>>>> whatever) ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>>>>> knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>>>>> spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next
>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not
>>>> allowed.
>>>> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
>>>> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>>>
>>> You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
>>> failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
>>>
>>> Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
>> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
>> that how progress is made, by complaining?
>
> Are many people grumbling about this particular "design failure"? I have
> never given it a moment's thought nor, until your post, have I ever
> seen/heard anyone mention it, much less identify it as a problem. It seems
> you must have an idyllic life if this "design failure" is what you find
> concerning enough to grumble about.
>
>
I've certainly never considered it a problem, much less a design failure.

Jill

On 10/10/2018 10:12 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>>> I can't visualise what you are all discussing.Â* Any chance of a pic
>>> please?
>>>
>
> Per your request.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/1XHQVgj0/morton_salt.jpg
>
> It's not like opening the spout on a container of salt is incredibly
> difficult.
>
> Jill

Looks complicated being metal and all that. Does it come with
instructions or is there a Youtube video to explain it?

On 10/10/2018 10:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/10/2018 10:12 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>>> I can't visualise what you are all discussing.Â* Any chance of a pic
>>>> please?
>>>>
>>
>> Per your request.
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/1XHQVgj0/morton_salt.jpg
>>
>> It's not like opening the spout on a container of salt is incredibly
>> difficult.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Looks complicated being metal and all that.Â* Does it come with
> instructions or is there a Youtube video to explain it?
>
Funny thing, I learned how to open a container of salt before the
Internet existed.

Jill

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:05:13 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/9/2018 3:06 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
>> writes:
>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>> writes:
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark
>>> blue cylinder
>>>>>>>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
>>>>>>>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>>>>>>> knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>>>>>>> spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
>>>>>> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
>>>>>> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
>>>>> failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
>>>> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
>>>> that how progress is made, by complaining?
>>>
>>> Generally it's by action on the part of a person who's unhappy with
>>> the status quo.
>>>
>>> We can collectively grumble about it until the heat death of the universe,
>>> but nothing will change.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> some people like Sheldon will be able to complain right up until that
>> point, long after their corporeal existence has ended (and salt has
>> become irrelevant) - they have a special power, transcendental kvetching
>>
>tert, you're the one making it sound like opening the spout on a
>cardboard cannister of salt is difficult.
>
>Jill

Well, it is a PITA. But everyone here has the right to spout off
about something that rings their bell on occasion. You have, I have,
I'm betting everyone here has ranted about something.

"jmcquown" wrote in message ...

>> On 9-Oct-2018, tert in seattle > wrote:
>>
>>> writes:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>> writes:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark blue
>>>>>>> cylinder
>>>>>>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or
>>>>>>> whatever) ?
>
>>
>> I can't visualise what you are all discussing. Any chance of a pic
>> please?
>>

Per your request.

https://i.postimg.cc/1XHQVgj0/morton_salt.jpg

It's not like opening the spout on a container of salt is incredibly
difficult.

Jill

==

Thank you, yes. We always had those but I haven't noticed them for a long
time. I'll have a look when I go shopping today

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 10/10/2018 10:12 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>>> I can't visualise what you are all discussing. Any chance of a pic
>>> please?
>>>
>
> Per your request.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/1XHQVgj0/morton_salt.jpg
>
> It's not like opening the spout on a container of salt is incredibly
> difficult.
>
> Jill

Looks complicated being metal and all that. Does it come with
instructions or is there a Youtube video to explain it?
==

Boy, you are on form today!

On 10/11/2018 12:47 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:05:13 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/9/2018 3:06 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
>>> writes:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>> writes:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 1:50:04 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 12:50:05 PM UTC-4, tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm not talking about anything new, I mean the standard dark
>>>> blue cylinder
>>>>>>>>> with the built-in spout that you can open and close.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there a way to open the spout without sliding your fingernail under
>>>>>>>>> there? Why hasn't this design been updated in 100 years (or whatever) ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have a fingernail (I keep 'em clipped short). I use a paring
>>>>>>>> knife (which I often need to remove the piece of paper that covers the
>>>>>>>> spout), then bend the tip of the spout up so it's easy to grab next time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I carelessly phrased my question and forgot to say tools are not allowed.
>>>>>>> Packaging like this that requires a tool to operate is design failure.
>>>>>>> Bending the tip is a good idea though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're going to have to contact the salt packager, then. The design
>>>>>> failure is not the responsibility of anybody here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be a hominin. Use the tool. Get the bananas down from the ceiling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>> All design failures are everyone's responsibility. If we didn't
>>>>> collctively grumble about it, nothing would ever change. Right? Isn't
>>>>> that how progress is made, by complaining?
>>>>
>>>> Generally it's by action on the part of a person who's unhappy with
>>>> the status quo.
>>>>
>>>> We can collectively grumble about it until the heat death of the universe,
>>>> but nothing will change.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> some people like Sheldon will be able to complain right up until that
>>> point, long after their corporeal existence has ended (and salt has
>>> become irrelevant) - they have a special power, transcendental kvetching
>>>
>> tert, you're the one making it sound like opening the spout on a
>> cardboard cannister of salt is difficult.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Well, it is a PITA. But everyone here has the right to spout off
> about something that rings their bell on occasion. You have, I have,
> I'm betting everyone here has ranted about something.
>
True enough. I just don't see why he can't use a knife or a screw
driver or something to pry open the spout. Then, as suggested, bend the
tip of it up a bit. I after opening a new box of salt, squeezing the
spout to make it more narrow helps. The metal spout is pretty flimsy.

Jill