Making himself to home:
https://postimg.org/image/9768oofpx/
https://postimg.org/image/xnoej6bbp/

On 1/29/2018 5:44 PM, wrote:
> Making himself to home:
> https://postimg.org/image/9768oofpx/
> https://postimg.org/image/xnoej6bbp/
>

Dang, look at the paws on that sucker.

Like little snowshoes...

Handsome kitty!

On 1/29/2018 6:20 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> The mind of little kid mixed with the raunchiness of a perverted
> old man.
> ost
> >
> 3/18/2011 3:49 PM
> Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
> readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
> fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com
>
>
> Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.
>
> -sw
>
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>
> I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
> There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.
>
>
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>
>
https://www.centraltexasfoodbank.org...ntation-057jpg
>
> Hide the Ho Ho's!!!!!!!!!!
>
> - sw

Caída de la casa wrote:
>penmart01 wrote:
>> Making himself to home:
>> https://postimg.org/image/9768oofpx/
>> https://postimg.org/image/xnoej6bbp/
>
>Dang, look at the paws on that sucker.
>Like little snowshoes...
>Handsome kitty!

Farm cats are big and strong.
But he's very mellow and loves to play with toys.
Ebenezer is bigger and stronger but he's strictly feral, has never
come inside. Feral cats here get one ear notched, it's illegal to
move them.
https://postimg.org/image/vbkzzn8s5/
Barny was born in the barn but brought inside at a week old so is not
at all feral, but he's also a huge strong cat:
https://postimg.org/image/y6y364uo5/
Jilly is a tiny cat, has slept next to me every night for 18 years:
https://postimg.org/image/lfjwzqnhx/

On 2018-01-29 6:32 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On 1/29/2018 6:20 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> The mind of little kid mixed with the raunchiness of a perverted
>> old man.
> > ost
> > >
> > 3/18/2011 3:49 PM
> > Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162
> > readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
> > fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com
> >
> >
> > Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.
> >
> > -sw
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
> > There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> >
> https://www.centraltexasfoodbank.org...ntation-057jpg
>
> >
> > Hide the Ho Ho's!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > - sw

Oh FFS, change your tune or **** off!

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 19:44:22 -0500, wrote:

>Making himself to home:
>https://postimg.org/image/9768oofpx/
>https://postimg.org/image/xnoej6bbp/

Your cat could lose some weight. Didn't the vet say that? What did the
vet look like horizontally?

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:54:22 -0500, wrote:

>Caída de la casa wrote:
>>penmart01 wrote:
>>> Making himself to home:
>>> https://postimg.org/image/9768oofpx/
>>> https://postimg.org/image/xnoej6bbp/
>>
>>Dang, look at the paws on that sucker.
>>Like little snowshoes...
>>Handsome kitty!
>
>Farm cats are big and strong.
>But he's very mellow and loves to play with toys.
>Ebenezer is bigger and stronger but he's strictly feral, has never
>come inside. Feral cats here get one ear notched, it's illegal to
>move them.
>https://postimg.org/image/vbkzzn8s5/

I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
Jewish vet.

That cat isn't feral, by the way. A feral wouldn't let you get that
close.

On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 8:16:17 PM UTC-6, Broce wrote:
>
> I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
> Jewish vet.
>
>
Vets notch the ears of feral cats brought in to be spayed and neutered
here as well.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 13:16:15 +1100, Broce >
wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:54:22 -0500, wrote:
>
>>Caída de la casa wrote:
>>>penmart01 wrote:
>>>> Making himself to home:
>>>> https://postimg.org/image/9768oofpx/
>>>> https://postimg.org/image/xnoej6bbp/
>>>
>>>Dang, look at the paws on that sucker.
>>>Like little snowshoes...
>>>Handsome kitty!
>>
>>Farm cats are big and strong.
>>But he's very mellow and loves to play with toys.
>>Ebenezer is bigger and stronger but he's strictly feral, has never
>>come inside. Feral cats here get one ear notched, it's illegal to
>>move them.
>>https://postimg.org/image/vbkzzn8s5/
>
>I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
>Jewish vet.
>
>That cat isn't feral, by the way. A feral wouldn't let you get that
>close.

Cats don't notice the camera is on zoom you ignoranus putz.
For sure you ain't feral... you're for certain a faggot boichickal,
ie. fruitcake.

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:25:39 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 8:16:17 PM UTC-6, Broce wrote:
>>
>> I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
>> Jewish vet.
>>
>>
>Vets notch the ears of feral cats brought in to be spayed and neutered
>here as well.

I understand why they'd do it, but it seems a bit crude.

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 21:39:52 -0500, wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 13:16:15 +1100, Broce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:54:22 -0500, wrote:
>>
>>>Caída de la casa wrote:
>>>>penmart01 wrote:
>>>>> Making himself to home:
>>>>> https://postimg.org/image/9768oofpx/
>>>>> https://postimg.org/image/xnoej6bbp/
>>>>
>>>>Dang, look at the paws on that sucker.
>>>>Like little snowshoes...
>>>>Handsome kitty!
>>>
>>>Farm cats are big and strong.
>>>But he's very mellow and loves to play with toys.
>>>Ebenezer is bigger and stronger but he's strictly feral, has never
>>>come inside. Feral cats here get one ear notched, it's illegal to
>>>move them.
>>>https://postimg.org/image/vbkzzn8s5/
>>
>>I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
>>Jewish vet.
>>
>>That cat isn't feral, by the way. A feral wouldn't let you get that
>>close.
>
>Cats don't notice the camera is on zoom you ignoranus putz.
>For sure you ain't feral... you're for certain a faggot boichickal,
>ie. fruitcake.

Oi, I'm starting to doubt that you've ever seen a feral cat.

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:25:39 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 8:16:17 PM UTC-6, Broce wrote:
>>
>> I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
>> Jewish vet.
>>
>>
>Vets notch the ears of feral cats brought in to be spayed and neutered
>here as well.

Exzactly, Vets notch Feral's ears all over the US. Feral cats are
protected and that's how they are ID'd, they are also chipped. It's
illegal to remove them from where they live and the fines are into the
many thousand$. Feral cats are very valuable in farming communities.

On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 22:04:03 -0500, wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:25:39 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 8:16:17 PM UTC-6, Broce wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
>>> Jewish vet.
>>>
>>>
>>Vets notch the ears of feral cats brought in to be spayed and neutered
>>here as well.
>
>Exzactly, Vets notch Feral's ears all over the US. Feral cats are
>protected and that's how they are ID'd, they are also chipped. It's
>illegal to remove them from where they live and the fines are into the
>many thousand$. Feral cats are very valuable in farming communities.

Feral cats are a huge ecological problem if you have any small species
worth protecting among your wildlife. And you no doubt do. Feral dogs
are a huge problem here too. Gary wants to eat them. He's a strange
guy.

On 1/29/2018 6:54 PM, wrote:
> CaÃ*da de la casa wrote:
>> penmart01 wrote:
>>> Making himself to home:
>>> https://postimg.org/image/9768oofpx/
>>> https://postimg.org/image/xnoej6bbp/
>>
>> Dang, look at the paws on that sucker.
>> Like little snowshoes...
>> Handsome kitty!
>
> Farm cats are big and strong.
> But he's very mellow and loves to play with toys.
> Ebenezer is bigger and stronger but he's strictly feral, has never
> come inside. Feral cats here get one ear notched, it's illegal to
> move them.
> https://postimg.org/image/vbkzzn8s5/

That I did not know.

He's got total attitude, 'do not mess with' me writ large.

> Barny was born in the barn but brought inside at a week old so is not
> at all feral, but he's also a huge strong cat:
> https://postimg.org/image/y6y364uo5/

Gorgeous.

> Jilly is a tiny cat, has slept next to me every night for 18 years:
> https://postimg.org/image/lfjwzqnhx/

I like her striated fur.

Pretty lil girl.

On 1/29/2018 7:16 PM, Broce wrote:

> I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
> Jewish vet.

Nazi pig!

On 1/29/2018 8:04 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:25:39 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 8:16:17 PM UTC-6, Broce wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
>>> Jewish vet.
>>>
>>>
>> Vets notch the ears of feral cats brought in to be spayed and neutered
>> here as well.
>
> Exzactly, Vets notch Feral's ears all over the US. Feral cats are
> protected and that's how they are ID'd, they are also chipped. It's
> illegal to remove them from where they live and the fines are into the
> many thousand$. Feral cats are very valuable in farming communities.
>


Fascinating.

Out here they just get ignored or...sorry...shot.

I think kids do it mainly.

Most folks appreciate the mousing and rat reduction.

Feral cats have their good aspects, but ask the songbird populations what they think.

N.

On 1/29/2018 9:25 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 8:16:17 PM UTC-6, Broce wrote:
>>
>> I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
>> Jewish vet.
>>
>>
> Vets notch the ears of feral cats brought in to be spayed and neutered
> here as well.
>
The ears are notched so the vets can distinguish whether or not the cat
has already been spayed or neutered. My cat Buffy was born into a feral
colony; she has a notched ear:

https://s13.postimg.org/ifqdss61z/Im_So_Pretty.jpg

Jill

On 1/30/2018 6:25 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Feral cats have their good aspects, but ask the songbird populations what they think.
>
> N.
>

Point.

And in urban locales this is actually a critical threat.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 15:42:13 +1100, Broce >
wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 22:04:03 -0500, wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:25:39 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 8:16:17 PM UTC-6, Broce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
>>>> Jewish vet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Vets notch the ears of feral cats brought in to be spayed and neutered
>>>here as well.
>>
>>Exzactly, Vets notch Feral's ears all over the US. Feral cats are
>>protected and that's how they are ID'd, they are also chipped. It's
>>illegal to remove them from where they live and the fines are into the
>>many thousand$. Feral cats are very valuable in farming communities.
>
>Feral cats are a huge ecological problem if you have any small species
>worth protecting among your wildlife. And you no doubt do. Feral dogs
>are a huge problem here too. Gary wants to eat them. He's a strange
>guy.

I know of no small livestock that feral cats attack, not unless you're
raising rats, field mice, and moles/voles.
I made small openings in my vegetable garden fence so that the feral
cats can keep it rodent free.... did the same with the fence around my
foundation plantings... voles eat plant roots and the plants die. With
feral cats voles disappear very quickly. Feral cats will hunt frogs
but frogs reproduce so rapidly and abundantly that there is no
ecological problem, plus cats rather not hunt ponds/streams.
Dogs are no problem here, no dog will make through the night, I never
see any stray dogs, coyotes get them. Cats are much better able to
survive, for one they can climb, and are excellent hunters... in
winter when food becomes scarce the feral cats head a half mile to the
next road where cattle, sheep, and llamas are raised, plenty rodents
around the feed lots and the farmers are thankful for the cats.
Livestock farmers keep barn cats. I put out food for the feral cats
but they much rather eat fresh kill.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 05:25:05 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> wrote:

>Feral cats have their good aspects, but ask the songbird populations what they think.
>
>N.

That feral cats hunt birds is a myth. Feral cats hunt to eat, they
are not going to waste energy on prey that can fly. It's the pet
house cats that are put out that hunt birds but more of a play time,
they don't eat them. My indoor cats never go outside and the ferals
never come inside. However the bluejays watch for when the feral cats
leave my deck and head for the barn and steal their food. I like that
the feral cats spend a lot of time in my barn, a lot less bird poop on
my tractors.

> wrote in message
...
> Dogs are no problem here, no dog will make through the night, I never
> see any stray dogs, coyotes get them. Cats are much better able to


Dogs are much smarter than cats and it is a ridiculous statement to say "no
dog will make it through the night," Just because YOU never see them
probably means they are smart enough to stay in their warm home and not run
out the minute the door is opened. LOL

Cheri

On 1/30/2018 11:03 AM, wrote:
> That feral cats hunt birds is a myth. Feral cats hunt to eat, they
> are not going to waste energy on prey that can fly.

That is categorically untrue:

https://www.wintuaudubon.org/feral-c...gbird-decline/

It is estimated that outdoor cats kill 2.4 billion birds a year in our
country. With the exception of habitat loss, this number dwarfs all
other current human-caused bird mortality combined.

Many of the studies are small, but they reveal a grim pattern. Cats kill
nearly 50% of suburban songbird fledglings. Pet cats average one
wildlife kill per fifty-six hours outdoors. They eat or abandon most of
their kills at the kill site, not on the owners doorstep €“ belying many
owners hopes that their pet is too domesticated to follow its
instincts. A University of Nebraska study pins thirty-three bird
extinctions on cat predation worldwide.

Feral cats number over 50 million in the US, according to Humane Society
and American Bird Conservancy estimates. If their kill rate equals that
of pet cats, simple arithmetic indicates kills of small animals €“ birds,
lizards, voles, etc. €“ of nearly 8 billion per year.

"Cheri" wrote in message news
> wrote in message
...
> Dogs are no problem here, no dog will make through the night, I never
> see any stray dogs, coyotes get them. Cats are much better able to


Dogs are much smarter than cats and it is a ridiculous statement to say "no
dog will make it through the night," Just because YOU never see them
probably means they are smart enough to stay in their warm home and not run
out the minute the door is opened. LOL

Cheri
==

Heh mine never want to go out at night without me, cold or not <g>

On 2018-01-30 12:05 PM, CaÃ*da de la casa wrote:
> On 1/30/2018 11:03 AM, wrote:
>> That feral cats hunt birds is a myth.Â* Feral cats hunt to eat, they
>> are not going to waste energy on prey that can fly.
>
> That is categorically untrue:
>
> https://www.wintuaudubon.org/feral-c...gbird-decline/
>
> Â*It is estimated that outdoor cats kill 2.4 billion birds a year in our
> country. With the exception of habitat loss, this number dwarfs all
> other current human-caused bird mortality combined.
>
> Many of the studies are small, but they reveal a grim pattern. Cats kill
> nearly 50% of suburban songbird fledglings. Pet cats average one
> wildlife kill per fifty-six hours outdoors. They eat or abandon most of
> their kills at the kill site, not on the owners doorstep €“ belying many
> owners hopes that their pet is too domesticated to follow its
> instincts. A University of Nebraska study pins thirty-three bird
> extinctions on cat predation worldwide.
>
> Feral cats number over 50 million in the US, according to Humane Society
> and American Bird Conservancy estimates. If their kill rate equals that
> of pet cats, simple arithmetic indicates kills of small animals €“ birds,
> lizards, voles, etc. €“ of nearly 8 billion per year.

I agree 100% with you! There was a TV program about a bunch of old
biddies that spay and neuter strays and then release the damn things
into nature reserves!

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:47:46 -0500, wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 15:42:13 +1100, Broce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 22:04:03 -0500, wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:25:39 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 8:16:17 PM UTC-6, Broce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
>>>>> Jewish vet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Vets notch the ears of feral cats brought in to be spayed and neutered
>>>>here as well.
>>>
>>>Exzactly, Vets notch Feral's ears all over the US. Feral cats are
>>>protected and that's how they are ID'd, they are also chipped. It's
>>>illegal to remove them from where they live and the fines are into the
>>>many thousand$. Feral cats are very valuable in farming communities.
>>
>>Feral cats are a huge ecological problem if you have any small species
>>worth protecting among your wildlife. And you no doubt do. Feral dogs
>>are a huge problem here too. Gary wants to eat them. He's a strange
>>guy.
>
>I know of no small livestock that feral cats attack, not unless you're
>raising rats, field mice, and moles/voles.

Maybe you have no other small animals than mice and rats. Or maybe you
have no idea about what lives around you. Australia has a lot of
wildlife worth protecting. Cats aren't part of the ecosystem and
should be kept out of it.

>I made small openings in my vegetable garden fence so that the feral
>cats can keep it rodent free.... did the same with the fence around my
>foundation plantings... voles eat plant roots and the plants die. With
>feral cats voles disappear very quickly. Feral cats will hunt frogs
>but frogs reproduce so rapidly and abundantly that there is no
>ecological problem, plus cats rather not hunt ponds/streams.

You probably don't know what frogs live around you. Some species here
are close to extinction, others are everywhere.

>Dogs are no problem here, no dog will make through the night, I never
>see any stray dogs, coyotes get them.

Dogs have no natural animals here and don't belong in the ecosystem,
except dingos. They kill cattle, farm dogs, kangaroos and wallabies
(esp. pregnant ones, which are slower) and pets.

(...)

On 1/30/2018 12:37 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-01-30 12:05 PM, CaÃ*da de la casa wrote:
>> On 1/30/2018 11:03 AM, wrote:
>>> That feral cats hunt birds is a myth.Â* Feral cats hunt to eat, they
>>> are not going to waste energy on prey that can fly.
>>
>> That is categorically untrue:
>>
>> https://www.wintuaudubon.org/feral-c...gbird-decline/
>>
>> Â*Â*It is estimated that outdoor cats kill 2.4 billion birds a year in
>> our country. With the exception of habitat loss, this number dwarfs
>> all other current human-caused bird mortality combined.
>>
>> Many of the studies are small, but they reveal a grim pattern. Cats
>> kill nearly 50% of suburban songbird fledglings. Pet cats average one
>> wildlife kill per fifty-six hours outdoors. They eat or abandon most
>> of their kills at the kill site, not on the owners doorstep €“ belying
>> many owners hopes that their pet is too domesticated to follow its
>> instincts. A University of Nebraska study pins thirty-three bird
>> extinctions on cat predation worldwide.
>>
>> Feral cats number over 50 million in the US, according to Humane
>> Society and American Bird Conservancy estimates. If their kill rate
>> equals that of pet cats, simple arithmetic indicates kills of small
>> animals €“ birds, lizards, voles, etc. €“ of nearly 8 billion per year.
>
> I agree 100% with you! There was a TV program about a bunch of old
> biddies that spay and neuter strays and then release the damn things
> into nature reserves!

Oh no.

That's so very wrong.

Barn cat = OK.

Messing with the ecosystem =/ OK.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 13:04:23 -0700, Caída de la casa >
wrote:

>On 1/30/2018 12:37 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-01-30 12:05 PM, Caída de la casa wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2018 11:03 AM, wrote:
>>>> That feral cats hunt birds is a myth.* Feral cats hunt to eat, they
>>>> are not going to waste energy on prey that can fly.
>>>
>>> That is categorically untrue:
>>>
>>> https://www.wintuaudubon.org/feral-c...gbird-decline/
>>>
>>> **It is estimated that outdoor cats kill 2.4 billion birds a year in
>>> our country. With the exception of habitat loss, this number dwarfs
>>> all other current human-caused bird mortality combined.
>>>
>>> Many of the studies are small, but they reveal a grim pattern. Cats
>>> kill nearly 50% of suburban songbird fledglings. Pet cats average one
>>> wildlife kill per fifty-six hours outdoors. They eat or abandon most
>>> of their kills at the kill site, not on the owner’s doorstep – belying
>>> many owners’ hopes that their pet is too domesticated to follow its
>>> instincts. A University of Nebraska study pins thirty-three bird
>>> extinctions on cat predation worldwide.
>>>
>>> Feral cats number over 50 million in the US, according to Humane
>>> Society and American Bird Conservancy estimates. If their kill rate
>>> equals that of pet cats, simple arithmetic indicates kills of small
>>> animals – birds, lizards, voles, etc. – of nearly 8 billion per year.
>>
>> I agree 100% with you! There was a TV program about a bunch of old
>> biddies that spay and neuter strays and then release the damn things
>> into nature reserves!
>
>Oh no.
>
>That's so very wrong.
>
>Barn cat = OK.
>
>Messing with the ecosystem =/ OK.

LOL Don't forget to explain to the barn cat that it shouldn't mess
with te ecosystem.

On 1/30/2018 1:13 PM, Broce wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 13:04:23 -0700, CaÃ*da de la casa >
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/30/2018 12:37 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-30 12:05 PM, CaÃ*da de la casa wrote:
>>>> On 1/30/2018 11:03 AM, wrote:
>>>>> That feral cats hunt birds is a myth.Â* Feral cats hunt to eat, they
>>>>> are not going to waste energy on prey that can fly.
>>>>
>>>> That is categorically untrue:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.wintuaudubon.org/feral-c...gbird-decline/
>>>>
>>>> Â*Â*It is estimated that outdoor cats kill 2.4 billion birds a year in
>>>> our country. With the exception of habitat loss, this number dwarfs
>>>> all other current human-caused bird mortality combined.
>>>>
>>>> Many of the studies are small, but they reveal a grim pattern. Cats
>>>> kill nearly 50% of suburban songbird fledglings. Pet cats average one
>>>> wildlife kill per fifty-six hours outdoors. They eat or abandon most
>>>> of their kills at the kill site, not on the owners doorstep €“ belying
>>>> many owners hopes that their pet is too domesticated to follow its
>>>> instincts. A University of Nebraska study pins thirty-three bird
>>>> extinctions on cat predation worldwide.
>>>>
>>>> Feral cats number over 50 million in the US, according to Humane
>>>> Society and American Bird Conservancy estimates. If their kill rate
>>>> equals that of pet cats, simple arithmetic indicates kills of small
>>>> animals €“ birds, lizards, voles, etc. €“ of nearly 8 billion per year.
>>>
>>> I agree 100% with you! There was a TV program about a bunch of old
>>> biddies that spay and neuter strays and then release the damn things
>>> into nature reserves!
>>
>> Oh no.
>>
>> That's so very wrong.
>>
>> Barn cat = OK.
>>
>> Messing with the ecosystem =/ OK.
>
> LOL Don't forget to explain to the barn cat that it shouldn't mess
> with te ecosystem.
>

The barn is not the ecosystem.

Long as the doors are shut...

On 2018-01-30 2:53 PM, Broce wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:47:46 -0500, wrote:

>> Dogs are no problem here, no dog will make through the night, I never
>> see any stray dogs, coyotes get them.
>
> Dogs have no natural animals here and don't belong in the ecosystem,
> except dingos. They kill cattle, farm dogs, kangaroos and wallabies
> (esp. pregnant ones, which are slower) and pets.

No natural enemies. I though that there were a lot of Italians in
Australia.
;-)

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:35:43 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-01-30 2:53 PM, Broce wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:47:46 -0500, wrote:
>
>>> Dogs are no problem here, no dog will make through the night, I never
>>> see any stray dogs, coyotes get them.
>>
>> Dogs have no natural animals here and don't belong in the ecosystem,
>> except dingos. They kill cattle, farm dogs, kangaroos and wallabies
>> (esp. pregnant ones, which are slower) and pets.
>
>No natural enemies. I though that there were a lot of Italians in
>Australia.
>;-)

Yes, but do they eat dogs? I thought Gary was an Anglo.

On 1/30/2018 8:25 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Feral cats have their good aspects, but ask the songbird populations what they think.
>
> N.
>
Around here the songbirds are more worried about predetory hawks. I saw
a Coopers Hawk take down a bird the other day in my back yard. Nary a
cat in sight.

Jill

On 1/30/2018 2:37 PM, graham wrote:

The difference is people in the UK seem to think house cats need to run
around outside. They aren't ferals. But they are out catching rodents
and killing birds and running around behind cottages in villages. It's
a totally different thing from ferals in the US.

Jill

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:08:35 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 1/30/2018 2:37 PM, graham wrote:
>
>The difference is people in the UK seem to think house cats need to run
>around outside. They aren't ferals. But they are out catching rodents
>and killing birds and running around behind cottages in villages. It's
>a totally different thing from ferals in the US.

What's so different? There are feral cats in the UK too. They just
talk a bit differently.

Sheldon wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 13:16:15 +1100, Broce >
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:54:22 -0500, wrote:
> >
> >>>penmart01 wrote:
> >>>> Making himself to home:
> >>>> https://postimg.org/image/9768oofpx/
> >>>> https://postimg.org/image/xnoej6bbp/
> >>Farm cats are big and strong.
> >>But he's very mellow and loves to play with toys.
> >>Ebenezer is bigger and stronger but he's strictly feral, has never
> >>come inside. Feral cats here get one ear notched, it's illegal to
> >>move them.
> >>https://postimg.org/image/vbkzzn8s5/
> >
> >I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
> >Jewish vet.
> >
> >That cat isn't feral, by the way. A feral wouldn't let you get that
> >close.
>
> Cats don't notice the camera is on zoom you ignoranus putz.
> For sure you ain't feral... you're for certain a faggot boichickal,
> ie. fruitcake.


Yup...a moldy and inedible fruitcake at that...and here is an article debunking the "cats destroy BILLIONS of songbirds" myth:

https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/20...ns-not-so-fast

"Do We Really Know That Cats Kill By The Billions? Not So Fast

On NBC Nightly News on Thursday evening, Brian Williams revealed there's a backlash underway to all the cat-killer headlines of this past week.

Those headlines reported a startling result from a new study in the journal Nature Communications: free-ranging domestic cats in the United States kill many billions of birds and small mammals per year, far more than previously thought. Many cat owners, Williams reported, took umbrage. He featured a photograph of a cat from Rhode Island named Magoo who had sent in to the NBC studios a protest note ("I am not a bird murderer; don't judge me"). Williams commented that the bird community has so far been silent, possibly because of its "decimated" numbers.

In fact, the situation is no laughing matter. Cats are hunters and other creatures do fall prey to them in significant numbers.

And yet there are serious reasons to suspect the reliability of the new, extreme cat-killer statistics.

The study at issue is a meta-analysis, an overarching review that aggregates data from previously published sources. The accuracy of meta-studies in health and medicine raises some concern, and it's easy to see why: for a meta-analysis to be solid, wise choices must be made among the available sources of information, and results that may vary wildly must be weighed fairly.

In the Nature Communications study, authors Scott R. Loss, Tom Will, and Peter P. Marra needed to incorporate into their model the number of "un-owned cats" (such as stray, feral, and barn cats) in the U.S. As they note in an appendix to the article, "no empirically driven estimate of un-owned cat abundance exists for the contiguous U.S." Estimates that are available range from 20-120 million, with 60-100 million being the most commonly cited. In response to this huge uncertainty in the numbers, they performed mathematical calculations using what they feel to be a conservative figure (specifically, they "defined a uniform distribution with minimum and maximum of 30 and 80 million, respectively.")

At this juncture, the authors note that local analyses of cat numbers are "often conducted in areas with above average density." That is an obvious problem, yet when they estimated the proportion of owned cats with access to the outdoors (and thus to hunting), of eight sources of information, "three [were] based on nationwide pet-owner surveys and five based on research in individual study areas." Are the local studies representative of the national situation? For that matter, are the different owner surveys administered in a consistent enough manner to allow them to be aggregated?

Of course, the authors make statistical perturbations designed to increase the reliability of their conclusions, but it seems to me there's an unsettling degree of uncertainty in the study's key numbers.

It seems this way to others also.

Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, had this to say in response to the study: "It's virtually impossible to determine how many cats live outside, or how many spend some portion of the day outside. Loss, Will, and Marra have thrown out a provocative number for cat predation totals, and their piece has been published in a highly credible publication, but they admit the study has many deficiencies. We don't quarrel with the conclusion that the impact is big, but the numbers are informed guesswork."

If even animal advocates admit "the impact is big," why do the specific numbers matter so much? Because when people start thinking of cats primarily as murderers, it then becomes the cats' lives that may be seriously endangered. Of concern are not only extremists like the man in New Zealand who recently suggested a ban on pet cats; cat advocate organization Alley Cat Allies says that the study is so "biased" that it amounts to an invitation to "ramp up the mass killings of outdoor cats."

As a cat rescuer, I know such threats to outdoor cats are real. I've heard them. And as a cat person, I also care very much about the lives of birds and small mammals, taking steps in my own life to reduce our cats' predation upon them. The truth is that we do need to better understand the relationship between cats and the greater natural world.

Demonizing cats with shaky statistics, however, won't help us build the pillar of understanding required to strike a satisfying balance between the needs of cats and their supporters with the needs of wildlife facing a feline threat..."

Sheldon wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 15:42:13 +1100, Broce >
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 22:04:03 -0500, wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:25:39 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 8:16:17 PM UTC-6, Broce wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I can't believe they chopped part of his ear off. Must have been a
> >>>> Jewish vet.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Vets notch the ears of feral cats brought in to be spayed and neutered
> >>>here as well.
> >>
> >>Exzactly, Vets notch Feral's ears all over the US. Feral cats are
> >>protected and that's how they are ID'd, they are also chipped. It's
> >>illegal to remove them from where they live and the fines are into the
> >>many thousand$. Feral cats are very valuable in farming communities.
> >
> >Feral cats are a huge ecological problem if you have any small species
> >worth protecting among your wildlife. And you no doubt do. Feral dogs
> >are a huge problem here too. Gary wants to eat them. He's a strange
> >guy.
>
> I know of no small livestock that feral cats attack, not unless you're
> raising rats, field mice, and moles/voles.
> I made small openings in my vegetable garden fence so that the feral
> cats can keep it rodent free.... did the same with the fence around my
> foundation plantings... voles eat plant roots and the plants die. With
> feral cats voles disappear very quickly. Feral cats will hunt frogs
> but frogs reproduce so rapidly and abundantly that there is no
> ecological problem, plus cats rather not hunt ponds/streams.
> Dogs are no problem here, no dog will make through the night, I never
> see any stray dogs, coyotes get them. Cats are much better able to
> survive, for one they can climb, and are excellent hunters... in
> winter when food becomes scarce the feral cats head a half mile to the
> next road where cattle, sheep, and llamas are raised, plenty rodents
> around the feed lots and the farmers are thankful for the cats.
> Livestock farmers keep barn cats. I put out food for the feral cats
> but they much rather eat fresh kill.

Here ya go:

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...cience-nation/

By Carrie Arnold, National Geographic
PUBLISHED SEPTEMBER 1, 2015

"Island's Feral Cats Kill Surprisingly Few Birds, Video Shows

Free-ranging cats on Georgia's Jekyll Island tend to eat mostly amphibians and insects, according to new research.

Since Jekyll Island is a popular stopover for many migrating tropical birds, wildlife biologist Sonia Hernandez at the University of Georgia wanted to see whether the islands feral cats were preying on birds.

Cats, already the overlords of the Internet, also reign over Jekyll Island (map), a small barrier island off the coast of Georgia.

The island is home to 150 free-ranging cats, which is about one cat for every five people. While the feral felines can help control the numbers of rats, mice, and other animals considered pests, they can also prey on other local wildlife€”including, most controversially, birds.

Enter the KittyCam: A small, collar-mounted video camera that records life from a cat's point of view. By putting KittyCam on 31 feral cats for a year, Hernandez and her team gathered many hours of footage that let them see exactly what the islands felines did€”and didnt€”catch.

Unexpectedly, birds were not at the top of the menu€”their diet mostly consisted of large insects and frogs,

[...]


Did any of the results surprise you?

Yes, [that] cats eat a lot of large-bodied insects, and many more frogs than I ever thought! It really reinforces that cats will eat whatever animals are most abundant, whether its birds, amphibians, or insects. I was [also] really surprised at how few birds the cats actually ate..."

On 1/30/2018 5:27 PM, Not Steve Wertz wrote:
> "Do We Really Know That Cats Kill By The Billions?

YES WE DO!~

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:05:58 -0700, Caída de la casa >
wrote:

>On 1/30/2018 11:03 AM, wrote:
>> That feral cats hunt birds is a myth. Feral cats hunt to eat, they
>> are not going to waste energy on prey that can fly.
>
>That is categorically untrue:
>
>https://www.wintuaudubon.org/feral-c...gbird-decline/
>
> It is estimated that outdoor cats kill 2.4 billion birds a year in our
>country. With the exception of habitat loss, this number dwarfs all
>other current human-caused bird mortality combined.
>
>Many of the studies are small, but they reveal a grim pattern. Cats kill
>nearly 50% of suburban songbird fledglings. Pet cats average one
>wildlife kill per fifty-six hours outdoors. They eat or abandon most of
>their kills at the kill site, not on the owner’s doorstep – belying many
>owners’ hopes that their pet is too domesticated to follow its
>instincts. A University of Nebraska study pins thirty-three bird
>extinctions on cat predation worldwide.
>
>Feral cats number over 50 million in the US, according to Humane Society
>and American Bird Conservancy estimates. If their kill rate equals that
>of pet cats, simple arithmetic indicates kills of small animals – birds,
>lizards, voles, etc. – of nearly 8 billion per year.

All nonsense. Most wild birds are killed from flying into windows,
and now the next runner up are birds killd by windmills. Very few
birds are killed by cats and VERY few by feral cats. Feral cats do
not hunt birds, feral cats hunt rodents. Way before feral cats hunt
birds they hunt grasshoppers.
Every window in my house has reflective moving items hanging to word
off birds.... old CDs work very well. I have silluettes of raptors
pasted to the outside of my window shades, there are several websites
where yoiu can print them, and they also sell decals to word off
birds, like spider webs. In warm weather all my windows have spiders
spinning webs, birds don't like to fly into spider webs. Spiders are
nocturnal, they can knit glorious webs... come mornings I'm treated to
some miraculus creations, all sparkly with dew.

On 2018-01-30 5:08 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 1/30/2018 2:37 PM, graham wrote:
>
> The difference is people in the UK seem to think house cats need to run
> around outside.Â* They aren't ferals.Â* But they are out catching rodents
> and killing birds and running around behind cottages in villages.Â* It's
> a totally different thing from ferals in the US.
>
> Jill

That TV program was about a N.American case!!! In Calgary, people let
their damned moggies run around outside and I expect it's no different
in the US and the rest of Canada.

On 1/30/2018 6:40 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:05:58 -0700, CaÃ*da de la casa >
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/30/2018 11:03 AM, wrote:
>>> That feral cats hunt birds is a myth. Feral cats hunt to eat, they
>>> are not going to waste energy on prey that can fly.
>>
>> That is categorically untrue:
>>
>> https://www.wintuaudubon.org/feral-c...gbird-decline/
>>
>> It is estimated that outdoor cats kill 2.4 billion birds a year in our
>> country. With the exception of habitat loss, this number dwarfs all
>> other current human-caused bird mortality combined.
>>
>> Many of the studies are small, but they reveal a grim pattern. Cats kill
>> nearly 50% of suburban songbird fledglings. Pet cats average one
>> wildlife kill per fifty-six hours outdoors. They eat or abandon most of
>> their kills at the kill site, not on the owners doorstep €“ belying many
>> owners hopes that their pet is too domesticated to follow its
>> instincts. A University of Nebraska study pins thirty-three bird
>> extinctions on cat predation worldwide.
>>
>> Feral cats number over 50 million in the US, according to Humane Society
>> and American Bird Conservancy estimates. If their kill rate equals that
>> of pet cats, simple arithmetic indicates kills of small animals €“ birds,
>> lizards, voles, etc. €“ of nearly 8 billion per year.
>
> All nonsense.

Liar!

http://www.njaudubon.org/Portals/10/.../Predation.pdf

Cat Predation Studies
Extensive studies of the feeding habits of free-roaming domestic
cats have been conducted over the last 55 years in Europe,
North America,
Australia, Africa,
and on many islands.
These studies show
that the number and
types of animals
killed by cats varies
greatly, depending
on the individual
cats, the time of year, and availability of prey. Roughly 60% to
70% of the wildlife cats kill are small mammals; 20% to 30%
are birds; and up to 10 are amphibians, reptiles, and insects.
However, birds can be up to 100% of a cats prey on some
islands.
Some free-roaming domestic cats kill more than 100 animals
each year. One well-fed cat that roamed a wildlife experiment
station was recorded to have killed more than 1,600 animals
(mostly small mammals) over 18 months. Rural cats take more
prey than suburban or urban cats. Birds that nest or feed on
the ground, such as California Quail, are the most susceptible
to cat predation, as are nestlings and fledglings of many other
bird species.

> Most wild birds are killed from flying into windows,
> and now the next runner up are birds killd by windmills. Very few
> birds are killed by cats and VERY few by feral cats.

Liar!

http://www.njaudubon.org/Portals/10/.../Predation.pdf

How many birds and other wildlife do domestic cats kill each year in the
U.S.?
Exact numbers are unknown, but scientists estimate that nationwide, cats
kill hundreds of millions of birds, and more than a b
illion
small mammals, such as rabbits, squirrels, and chipmunks, each year.
Cats kill common species such as Cardinal, Blue Jay, and H
ouse
Wren, as well as rare and endangered species such as Piping Plover,
Florida Scrub-Jay, and California Least Tern.
There are more than 77 million pet cats in the United States. A 1997
nationwide poll showed that only 35% are kept exclusively
indoors, leaving the majority of owned cats free to kill birds and other
wildlife at least some of the time. In addition, milli
ons of stray
and feral cats roam our cities, suburbs, farmlands and natural areas.
Abandoned by their owners or lost (stray), or descendants
of
strays and living in the wild (feral), these cats are victims of human
irresponsibility due to abandonment and failure to spay
or neuter
pets. No one knows how many homeless cats there are in the U.S., but
estimates range from 60 to 100 million. These cats lead
short,
miserable lives.


> Feral cats do
> not hunt birds, feral cats hunt rodents. Way before feral cats hunt
> birds they hunt grasshoppers.

Oh quit making shit up.

> Every window in my house has reflective moving items hanging to word
> off birds.... old CDs work very well. I have silluettes of raptors
> pasted to the outside of my window shades, there are several websites
> where yoiu can print them, and they also sell decals to word off
> birds, like spider webs. In warm weather all my windows have spiders
> spinning webs, birds don't like to fly into spider webs. Spiders are
> nocturnal, they can knit glorious webs... come mornings I'm treated to
> some miraculus creations, all sparkly with dew.
>

That's nice but beside the point, by a mile.