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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > On 7/27/2016 3:04 PM, Julie Bove wrote: >> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and >>>> get >>>> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it. >>>> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people >>>> here >>>> got the vaccination and we're all still here. >>>> >>> >>> Great logic.. People are still alive to they never needed a vaccine. >>> How about the dead people? >>> >>> How long should our parents have waited to give is the polio vaccine? >>> I know people that had and and I'm damned glad my parents were some of >>> the first to get us vaccinated. Thank you Doctor Salk. >>> >>> If HPV was available at the time, my kids would have gotten it. >> >> Polio is hardly the same thing as cancer. > > They both can be prevented with a vaccine. You are free to do what you > want but I'd go for protection. And I'm not you. We don't get flu shots either. |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:25:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>On 7/27/2016 5:44 PM, wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:04:43 -0700, "Julie Bove" >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get >>>>> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it. >>>>> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here >>>>> got the vaccination and we're all still here. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Great logic.. People are still alive to they never needed a vaccine. How >>>> about the dead people? >>>> >>>> How long should our parents have waited to give is the polio vaccine? I >>>> know people that had and and I'm damned glad my parents were some of the >>>> first to get us vaccinated. Thank you Doctor Salk. >>>> >>>> If HPV was available at the time, my kids would have gotten it. >>> >>> Polio is hardly the same thing as cancer. >> >> >> Oh, so polio is worse than cancer??? >> > >Ever visit anyone in an iron lung? I was in fifth grade and one of my >friends was in one. Another friend just has surgery as a result of the >aftereffects these many years later. He's been limping for 60+ years. > >Both have killed people. You decide witch is worse. How do you want to >die? I have a friend who after she was fully qualified as a paediatric surgeon had what they now call 'flash back polio' - she had polio as a child and appeared unharmed but many of them now are getting this. It makes life a misery, she can't even plan day to day because she doesn't know what condition she will be in. She had to give up her practice, a great loss to kids. Polio isn't the same thing as cancer, that's for sure, they are not comparable! |
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On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 1:33:49 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message > ... > > On 2016-07-27 5:44 PM, wrote: > >> On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:04:43 -0700, "Julie Bove" > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message > >>> ... > >>>> On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and > >>>>> get > >>>>> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it. > >>>>> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people > >>>>> here > >>>>> got the vaccination and we're all still here. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Great logic.. People are still alive to they never needed a vaccine. > >>>> How > >>>> about the dead people? > >>>> > >>>> How long should our parents have waited to give is the polio vaccine? > >>>> I > >>>> know people that had and and I'm damned glad my parents were some of > >>>> the > >>>> first to get us vaccinated. Thank you Doctor Salk. > >>>> > >>>> If HPV was available at the time, my kids would have gotten it. > >>> > >>> Polio is hardly the same thing as cancer. > >> > >> > >> Oh, so polio is worse than cancer??? > >> > > > > It is if you get it. > > I don't know that it's worse but it's usually very disabling. Our old office > manager survived it. She had one very shrunken leg and had trouble walking. > I am not making light of cancer as I know many people who have had it. Some > did die. Others, like my husband, are still living. And not disabled from > it. You really are dim. Polio can paralyze the muscles that handle breathing, and that can cause death. I don't want either polio or cancer. If the HPV vaccine had been available when I was a teenager, I would have gotten it. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:25:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >On 7/27/2016 5:44 PM, wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:04:43 -0700, "Julie Bove" >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and >>>>> get >>>>> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it. >>>>> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people >>>>> here >>>>> got the vaccination and we're all still here. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Great logic.. People are still alive to they never needed a vaccine. >>>> How >>>> about the dead people? >>>> >>>> How long should our parents have waited to give is the polio vaccine? >>>> I >>>> know people that had and and I'm damned glad my parents were some of >>>> the >>>> first to get us vaccinated. Thank you Doctor Salk. >>>> >>>> If HPV was available at the time, my kids would have gotten it. >>> >>> Polio is hardly the same thing as cancer. >> >> >> Oh, so polio is worse than cancer??? >> > >Ever visit anyone in an iron lung? I was in fifth grade and one of my >friends was in one. Another friend just has surgery as a result of the >aftereffects these many years later. He's been limping for 60+ years. > >Both have killed people. You decide witch is worse. How do you want to >die? I have a friend who after she was fully qualified as a paediatric surgeon had what they now call 'flash back polio' - she had polio as a child and appeared unharmed but many of them now are getting this. It makes life a misery, she can't even plan day to day because she doesn't know what condition she will be in. She had to give up her practice, a great loss to kids. Polio isn't the same thing as cancer, that's for sure, they are not comparable! =================== My mother had polio as a child and it left her with one leg shorter but it never stopped her doing anything and she was in nursing nearly all her life. She made sure I got my vacs for *everything*. --- http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:12:38 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote: >wrote in message ... > >On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:25:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >>On 7/27/2016 5:44 PM, wrote: >>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:04:43 -0700, "Julie Bove" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and >>>>>> get >>>>>> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it. >>>>>> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people >>>>>> here >>>>>> got the vaccination and we're all still here. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Great logic.. People are still alive to they never needed a vaccine. >>>>> How >>>>> about the dead people? >>>>> >>>>> How long should our parents have waited to give is the polio vaccine? >>>>> I >>>>> know people that had and and I'm damned glad my parents were some of >>>>> the >>>>> first to get us vaccinated. Thank you Doctor Salk. >>>>> >>>>> If HPV was available at the time, my kids would have gotten it. >>>> >>>> Polio is hardly the same thing as cancer. >>> >>> >>> Oh, so polio is worse than cancer??? >>> >> >>Ever visit anyone in an iron lung? I was in fifth grade and one of my >>friends was in one. Another friend just has surgery as a result of the >>aftereffects these many years later. He's been limping for 60+ years. >> >>Both have killed people. You decide witch is worse. How do you want to >>die? > >I have a friend who after she was fully qualified as a paediatric >surgeon had what they now call 'flash back polio' - she had polio as a >child and appeared unharmed but many of them now are getting this. It >makes life a misery, she can't even plan day to day because she >doesn't know what condition she will be in. She had to give up her >practice, a great loss to kids. > >Polio isn't the same thing as cancer, that's for sure, they are not >comparable! > >=================== > >My mother had polio as a child and it left her with one leg shorter but it >never stopped her doing anything and she was in nursing nearly all her life. > >She made sure I got my vacs for *everything*. > > >--- >http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk I think because the devastation of all these diseases is not evident to them, they have become overly casual about it and listen to cranks and people with vested interests in turning them from vaccines. Idiots one and all. |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:12:38 +0100, "Ophelia" > wrote: > >My mother had polio as a child and it left her with one leg shorter but it >never stopped her doing anything and she was in nursing nearly all her >life. > >She made sure I got my vacs for *everything*. > > >--- >http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk I think because the devastation of all these diseases is not evident to them, they have become overly casual about it and listen to cranks and people with vested interests in turning them from vaccines. Idiots one and all. ------------------------------------ It is sad. If their child get a preventable disease ... -- http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get > the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it. > That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here > got the vaccination and we're all still here. > Tell that to the people who were unable to get the polio vaccine. Sorry you can't as most of them are dead. For some people ignorance (not science) rules. http://www.richardfisher.com |
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> wrote in message ... > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:25:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > > >On 7/27/2016 5:44 PM, wrote: > >> On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:04:43 -0700, "Julie Bove" > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message > >>> ... > >>>> On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and > >>>>> get > >>>>> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it. > >>>>> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people > >>>>> here > >>>>> got the vaccination and we're all still here. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Great logic.. People are still alive to they never needed a vaccine. > >>>> How > >>>> about the dead people? > >>>> > >>>> How long should our parents have waited to give is the polio vaccine? > >>>> I > >>>> know people that had and and I'm damned glad my parents were some of > >>>> the > >>>> first to get us vaccinated. Thank you Doctor Salk. > >>>> > >>>> If HPV was available at the time, my kids would have gotten it. > >>> > >>> Polio is hardly the same thing as cancer. > >> > >> > >> Oh, so polio is worse than cancer??? > >> > > > >Ever visit anyone in an iron lung? I was in fifth grade and one of my > >friends was in one. Another friend just has surgery as a result of the > >aftereffects these many years later. He's been limping for 60+ years. > > > >Both have killed people. You decide witch is worse. How do you want to > >die? > > I have a friend who after she was fully qualified as a paediatric > surgeon had what they now call 'flash back polio' - she had polio as a > child and appeared unharmed but many of them now are getting this. It > makes life a misery, she can't even plan day to day because she > doesn't know what condition she will be in. She had to give up her > practice, a great loss to kids. > > Polio isn't the same thing as cancer, that's for sure, they are not > comparable! > > =================== > > My mother had polio as a child and it left her with one leg shorter but it > never stopped her doing anything and she was in nursing nearly all her life. > > She made sure I got my vacs for *everything*. Unlike these two DIMWIT Brit parents, Ms. O....they've been getting a bit of media attention over he Meet the Allens, the Off-Grid Family That Wants Your Support to Survive http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...ml?wpsrc=nymag "The first thing the Allens, a British family of four, want you to know about them is that they are followers of something they call off-grid parenting. This includes common, and sometimes questionable, alternative parenting practices such as home-schooling, avoiding vaccinations and modern medicine, co-sleeping, and extended breast-feeding. There are also less common ones, such as lotus birthing (letting the placenta and umbilical cord fall off naturally) and avoiding shoes for their children. Still, all this is not enough for the Allens. They yearn for a family life even further off-grid and have hatched a plan that will help them move closer towards self sustainability and being a bit more free range and less institutionalized. The second thing the Allens want you to know about them is that they cant do this without you. Yes, their master plan for self-sufficiency involves moving to Costa Rica and buying a big plot of land where we can grow food, and have access to wildlife and nature in it's natural state, as they explain on their FundMyTravel.com campaign page (accompanied by a must-see video). But in order to make this happen they need $100,000 of your money, which they will pay back by sharing the treasure trove of knowledge they anticipate gaining by living off the land. In the meantime, theyll continue getting by on housing and child benefits from the government. Obviously, the fact that they never acknowledge the irony of using an online fundraising campaign to help them become more self-sufficient speaks to their total obliviousness to the potential consequences of their lifestyle choices on their family and the world around them. But does this obliviousness makes them insufferable or insidious? I'll attempt to parse it out. In the insufferable category we have their Rousseau-light theories about how society is a corruptive force and children do best when they self-educate and self-medicate.* What makes this even more irritating is that they claim this is all natural, without everstopping to think what a subjective, and mutable, concept natural is. Also, its not enough for them to be off-grid; they also have to tell everyone about it, on-grid. The Allens are no real-life Captain Fantastic (a story about a family also motivated by narcissism and delusion but wise enough to keep it all within the unit), but just another thirsty couple itching to proselytize their ill-conceived lifestyle to the masses. But far more troubling than this narcissism and delusion is their decision to not vaccinate their children, which kills, and the way theyve turned the very lovely experience of parenthood into a performance about parenting. Not only do such rigid parenting philosophies make raising children seem far more fraught than it really is; they also distract parents from the alleged beneficiaries of these philosophies: their kids. In a recent op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, psychology professor and writer Alison Gopnik argues against parenting, a word and idea that didnt enter popular consciousness until the 1970s. The idea that parents can learn special techniques that will make their children turn out better is ubiquitous in middle-class Americaso ubiquitous that it might seem obvious. But this prescriptive picture is fundamentally misguided. Its the wrong way to understand how parents and children actually think and act, and its equally wrong as a vision of how they should think and act, Gopnik writes. Instead of focusing on parenting, which involves trying to achieve a particular outcome, we should value being a parent, Gopnik explains. This involves loving ones children and giving them a sense of security in response to their needs, instead of following a rule book. The set of orthodoxies proposed by various parenting methods often blind us from our children and everything and everyone else. To illustrate this point: During a recent appearance on a morning talk show, the Allens youngest child, 1-year-old Ostara, walks to the front of the set and urinates in clear view of the camera. Its hilarious. The Allens defended themselves and claimed that the nappy leaked. This might be true, though my experience tells me a puddle formation of that size is highly unlikely unless the diaper hadnt been changed for a very, very long time. (More plausible is that she wasnt wearing a diaper at all, and that the Allens were practitioners of elimination communication, a diaperless, and dubious, form of potty training beloved by parents of their ilk.) I dont fault little Ostara for her indiscretion, nor do I fault her parents for the fact that she peed. What I do take issue with is their indifference to the act: Mom keeps on talking, dad and big brother point and laugh instead of going over and helping her. All that matters is their self-sufficiencywell, prattling on about their self-sufficiencyand they dont care who or what gets ****ed on in the process..." |
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On 2016-07-28, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> Ever visit anyone in an iron lung? Yes. He was once a champion water skier. This before he was struck down by full blown polio. This was pre-Salk and I was only 8-9, but knew this man was left with nothing. He could not breath w/o the help of a portable iron lung (looked like a giant fiberglass Conquistador breastplate w/ supporting kitchen-stove-sized machine) and was completely dependent on everyone around him, for everything! This was his life until he finally passed. Took a lotta courage to survive that disease. I was about eleven when I finally got my first "polio shot". Later, got the sugar cube. I look back on it and only now do I realize the importance of that discovery. At that age, I gave polio no more than a passing thought. Eating a sugar cube was merely a great excuse to get outta class. Now, I realize the enormity of the bullet I was lucky enough to dodge. 8| nb |
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On 28 Jul 2016 14:04:07 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>On 2016-07-28, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >> Ever visit anyone in an iron lung? > >Yes. > >He was once a champion water skier. This before he was struck down by >full blown polio. This was pre-Salk and I was only 8-9, but knew this >man was left with nothing. He could not breath w/o the help of a >portable iron lung (looked like a giant fiberglass Conquistador >breastplate w/ supporting kitchen-stove-sized machine) and was >completely dependent on everyone around him, for everything! This was >his life until he finally passed. Took a lotta courage to survive >that disease. > >I was about eleven when I finally got my first "polio shot". Later, >got the sugar cube. I look back on it and only now do I realize the >importance of that discovery. At that age, I gave polio no more than >a passing thought. Eating a sugar cube was merely a great excuse to >get outta class. Now, I realize the enormity of the bullet I was >lucky enough to dodge. 8| > >nb I think in part the stupidity of proudly announcing 'we have never had shots, even for flu' comes because they didn't see what happened prior to the shots. For the time being they will probably be okay, though that's doubtful in the HPV case, but as the proportion of unvaccinated increases, they better watch out. They haven't entirely eliminated polio in Pakistan, anytime it could sweep round again in NA, to late then to get the shot or cube, takes time for the antibodies to grow. In Pakistan the Taliban spread rumours that the ngo's giving away free vaccines to the babies were really sterilising the babies. So mums stopped vaccinating and within no time, outbreaks. Only winners were those already vaccinated. |
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... Ophelia wrote: > wrote in message ... > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:25:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > > >On 7/27/2016 5:44 PM, wrote: > >> On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:04:43 -0700, "Julie Bove" > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message > >>> ... > >>>> On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and > >>>>> get > >>>>> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got > >>>>> it. > >>>>> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people > >>>>> here > >>>>> got the vaccination and we're all still here. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Great logic.. People are still alive to they never needed a vaccine. > >>>> How > >>>> about the dead people? > >>>> > >>>> How long should our parents have waited to give is the polio vaccine? > >>>> I > >>>> know people that had and and I'm damned glad my parents were some of > >>>> the > >>>> first to get us vaccinated. Thank you Doctor Salk. > >>>> > >>>> If HPV was available at the time, my kids would have gotten it. > >>> > >>> Polio is hardly the same thing as cancer. > >> > >> > >> Oh, so polio is worse than cancer??? > >> > > > >Ever visit anyone in an iron lung? I was in fifth grade and one of my > >friends was in one. Another friend just has surgery as a result of the > >aftereffects these many years later. He's been limping for 60+ years. > > > >Both have killed people. You decide witch is worse. How do you want to > >die? > > I have a friend who after she was fully qualified as a paediatric > surgeon had what they now call 'flash back polio' - she had polio as a > child and appeared unharmed but many of them now are getting this. It > makes life a misery, she can't even plan day to day because she > doesn't know what condition she will be in. She had to give up her > practice, a great loss to kids. > > Polio isn't the same thing as cancer, that's for sure, they are not > comparable! > > =================== > > My mother had polio as a child and it left her with one leg shorter but it > never stopped her doing anything and she was in nursing nearly all her > life. > > She made sure I got my vacs for *everything*. Unlike these two DIMWIT Brit parents, Ms. O....they've been getting a bit of media attention over he Meet the Allens, the Off-Grid Family That Wants Your Support to Survive http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...ml?wpsrc=nymag "The first thing the Allens, a British family of four, want you to know about them is that they are followers of something they call off-grid parenting. This includes common, and sometimes questionable, alternative parenting practices such as home-schooling, avoiding vaccinations and modern medicine, co-sleeping, and extended breast-feeding. There are also less common ones, such as lotus birthing (letting the placenta and umbilical cord fall off naturally) and avoiding shoes for their children. Still, all this is not enough for the Allens. They yearn for a family life even further off-grid and have hatched a plan that will help them move closer towards self sustainability and being a bit more free range and less institutionalized. The second thing the Allens want you to know about them is that they cant do this without you. Yes, their master plan for self-sufficiency involves moving to Costa Rica and buying a big plot of land where we can grow food, and have access to wildlife and nature in it's natural state, as they explain on their FundMyTravel.com campaign page (accompanied by a must-see video). But in order to make this happen they need $100,000 of your money, which they will pay back by sharing the treasure trove of knowledge they anticipate gaining by living off the land. In the meantime, theyll continue getting by on housing and child benefits from the government. Obviously, the fact that they never acknowledge the irony of using an online fundraising campaign to help them become more self-sufficient speaks to their total obliviousness to the potential consequences of their lifestyle choices on their family and the world around them. But does this obliviousness makes them insufferable or insidious? I'll attempt to parse it out. In the insufferable category we have their Rousseau-light theories about how society is a corruptive force and children do best when they self-educate and self-medicate.* What makes this even more irritating is that they claim this is all natural, without everstopping to think what a subjective, and mutable, concept natural is. Also, its not enough for them to be off-grid; they also have to tell everyone about it, on-grid. The Allens are no real-life Captain Fantastic (a story about a family also motivated by narcissism and delusion but wise enough to keep it all within the unit), but just another thirsty couple itching to proselytize their ill-conceived lifestyle to the masses. But far more troubling than this narcissism and delusion is their decision to not vaccinate their children, which kills, and the way theyve turned the very lovely experience of parenthood into a performance about parenting. Not only do such rigid parenting philosophies make raising children seem far more fraught than it really is; they also distract parents from the alleged beneficiaries of these philosophies: their kids. In a recent op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, psychology professor and writer Alison Gopnik argues against parenting, a word and idea that didnt enter popular consciousness until the 1970s. The idea that parents can learn special techniques that will make their children turn out better is ubiquitous in middle-class Americaso ubiquitous that it might seem obvious. But this prescriptive picture is fundamentally misguided. Its the wrong way to understand how parents and children actually think and act, and its equally wrong as a vision of how they should think and act, Gopnik writes. Instead of focusing on parenting, which involves trying to achieve a particular outcome, we should value being a parent, Gopnik explains. This involves loving ones children and giving them a sense of security in response to their needs, instead of following a rule book. The set of orthodoxies proposed by various parenting methods often blind us from our children and everything and everyone else. To illustrate this point: During a recent appearance on a morning talk show, the Allens youngest child, 1-year-old Ostara, walks to the front of the set and urinates in clear view of the camera. Its hilarious. The Allens defended themselves and claimed that the nappy leaked. This might be true, though my experience tells me a puddle formation of that size is highly unlikely unless the diaper hadnt been changed for a very, very long time. (More plausible is that she wasnt wearing a diaper at all, and that the Allens were practitioners of elimination communication, a diaperless, and dubious, form of potty training beloved by parents of their ilk.) I dont fault little Ostara for her indiscretion, nor do I fault her parents for the fact that she peed. What I do take issue with is their indifference to the act: Mom keeps on talking, dad and big brother point and laugh instead of going over and helping her. All that matters is their self-sufficiencywell, prattling on about their self-sufficiencyand they dont care who or what gets ****ed on in the process..." ----------------------------------------------------- Oh dear! No, this is the first I've heard of them! What a mess. Well they'll get nowt from me. Let them work for it the same way we had to. The flipping cheek of it!!! They want everyone else to pay for their life style! Pfpfpfpff I can remember many years ago, a doctor allowed his children to absolutely *anything*. If memory serves they even pulled down part of his house and tried to build something different. It is time some people grew up and learned to be parents! Bonkers all!!! --- http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:35:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
wrote: >> >> Polio isn't the same thing as cancer, that's for sure, they are not >> comparable! > >Polio was before my time. I had the sugar cube vaccinations when I was >young. Sounds like a very horrible disease though if it haunts you all >your life. Had an old woman friend and she always talked about her >post-polio syndrome. > >Speaking of polio. I saw a trivia thing this morning. >FDR had it but anyway...the trivia is: > >On this day 73 days ago - >July 28, 1943 >President Franklin D Roosevelt announces end of coffee rationing in US > >I guess all usain adults were happy about that. 1943?? Jeez the war hadn't even ended in Europe then! |
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On 2016-07-28 10:04 AM, notbob wrote:
> He was once a champion water skier. This before he was struck down by > full blown polio. This was pre-Salk and I was only 8-9, but knew this > man was left with nothing. He could not breath w/o the help of a > portable iron lung (looked like a giant fiberglass Conquistador > breastplate w/ supporting kitchen-stove-sized machine) and was > completely dependent on everyone around him, for everything! This was > his life until he finally passed. Took a lotta courage to survive > that disease. > > I was about eleven when I finally got my first "polio shot". Later, > got the sugar cube. I look back on it and only now do I realize the > importance of that discovery. At that age, I gave polio no more than > a passing thought. Eating a sugar cube was merely a great excuse to > get outta class. Now, I realize the enormity of the bullet I was > lucky enough to dodge. 8| > I started school in 1955 and there were a couple kids in our school who wore leg braces. They were a little older than I was. It was not uncommon to see kids with one or two leg braces. We got the vaccine and I don't remember seeing any younger kids with braces or hearing about kids getting polio. |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message ... > > I can remember many years ago, a doctor allowed his children to absolutely > *anything*. If memory serves they even pulled down part of his house and > tried to build something different. It is time some people grew up and > learned to be parents! > > Bonkers all!!! And they are the extremely lazy parents that "allow their kids to be free spirits with no boundaries" rather than take the time and energy to raise them to be decent citizens, and then they turn them loose on society. Cheri |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message ... > > I can remember many years ago, a doctor allowed his children to absolutely > *anything*. If memory serves they even pulled down part of his house and > tried to build something different. It is time some people grew up and > learned to be parents! > > Bonkers all!!! And they are the extremely lazy parents that "allow their kids to be free spirits with no boundaries" rather than take the time and energy to raise them to be decent citizens, and then they turn them loose on society. ----------------------- Yes. They are a disgrace and ought not be allowed to have children. --- http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 7/28/2016 10:22 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote: >> >> Gary wrote: >>> On this day 73 years ago - > >>> July 28, 1943 >>> President Franklin D Roosevelt announces end of coffee rationing in US >>> >>> I guess all usain adults were happy about that. >> >> 1943?? Jeez the war hadn't even ended in Europe then! > > I was wondering about that myself. > Well, much of the cargo ship sinkings had stopped (not voluntarily, thanks Navies!), not only from South America to the US, but from the US to Europe. So, not as much lost cargo. |
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On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 4:50:19 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:35:23 -0400, Gary > wrote: > > wrote: > >> > >> Polio isn't the same thing as cancer, that's for sure, they are not > >> comparable! > > > >Polio was before my time. I had the sugar cube vaccinations when I was > >young. Sounds like a very horrible disease though if it haunts you all > >your life. Had an old woman friend and she always talked about her > >post-polio syndrome. > > > >Speaking of polio. I saw a trivia thing this morning. > >FDR had it but anyway...the trivia is: > > > >On this day 73 days ago - > >July 28, 1943 > >President Franklin D Roosevelt announces end of coffee rationing in US > > > >I guess all usain adults were happy about that. > > 1943?? Jeez the war hadn't even ended in Europe then! Coffee rationing in the US did not last very long - a little over a year. People had to make do with about half what they were used to. Using a weaker brew and extenders, like chicory, were common. https://books.google.com/books?id=Rk... age&q&f=true |
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On 7/28/2016 1:29 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 7/28/2016 10:22 AM, Gary wrote: >> wrote: >>> Gary wrote: >>>> On this day 73 years ago - July 28, 1943 >>>> President Franklin D Roosevelt announces end of coffee rationing in US >>>> I guess all usain adults were happy about that. >>> 1943?? Jeez the war hadn't even ended in Europe then! >> I was wondering about that myself. >> > Well, much of the cargo ship sinkings had stopped (not voluntarily, > thanks Navies!), not only from South America to the US, but from the US > to Europe. So, not as much lost cargo. It seems that US coffee rationing only lasted for 8 months. |
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dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 4:50:19 AM UTC-10, wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:35:23 -0400, Gary > wrote: > > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Polio isn't the same thing as cancer, that's for sure, they are not > > >> comparable! > > > > > >Polio was before my time. I had the sugar cube vaccinations when I was > > >young. Sounds like a very horrible disease though if it haunts you all > > >your life. Had an old woman friend and she always talked about her > > >post-polio syndrome. > > > > > >Speaking of polio. I saw a trivia thing this morning. > > >FDR had it but anyway...the trivia is: > > > > > >On this day 73 days ago - > > >July 28, 1943 > > >President Franklin D Roosevelt announces end of coffee rationing in US > > > > > >I guess all usain adults were happy about that. > > > > 1943?? Jeez the war hadn't even ended in Europe then! > > Coffee rationing in the US did not last very long - a little over a year. People had to make do with about half what they were used to. Using a weaker brew and extenders, like chicory, were common. > > https://books.google.com/books?id=Rk... age&q&f=true I LOVE that the old _Life_ magazines are online. I quickly perused this November 1943 issue during lunch and was reminded about gas rationing, "George Washington Slept Here", thrifty wartime lighting with GE Mazda Lamps, battles won in Stalingrad and the Solomons, "Life Goes to a Soviet Embassy Reception", the very cool graphics of a Kool cigarette ad, and LOTS of ads for whiskey... All in all, we had it very good during WWII...lots of ads reminding us of rationing, but plenty also encouraging consumption. -- Best Greg |
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On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 8:18:39 AM UTC-10, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 7/28/2016 1:29 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote: > > On 7/28/2016 10:22 AM, Gary wrote: > >> wrote: > >>> Gary wrote: > >>>> On this day 73 years ago - July 28, 1943 > >>>> President Franklin D Roosevelt announces end of coffee rationing in US > >>>> I guess all usain adults were happy about that. > >>> 1943?? Jeez the war hadn't even ended in Europe then! > >> I was wondering about that myself. > >> > > Well, much of the cargo ship sinkings had stopped (not voluntarily, > > thanks Navies!), not only from South America to the US, but from the US > > to Europe. So, not as much lost cargo. > > It seems that US coffee rationing only lasted for 8 months. Coffee rationing in the US was in effect from November 29, 1942 to July 28,1943. You are correct. Sorry about that. |
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On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 8:36:55 AM UTC-10, The Greatest! wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: > > > On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 4:50:19 AM UTC-10, wrote: > > > On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:35:23 -0400, Gary > wrote: > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Polio isn't the same thing as cancer, that's for sure, they are not > > > >> comparable! > > > > > > > >Polio was before my time. I had the sugar cube vaccinations when I was > > > >young. Sounds like a very horrible disease though if it haunts you all > > > >your life. Had an old woman friend and she always talked about her > > > >post-polio syndrome. > > > > > > > >Speaking of polio. I saw a trivia thing this morning. > > > >FDR had it but anyway...the trivia is: > > > > > > > >On this day 73 days ago - > > > >July 28, 1943 > > > >President Franklin D Roosevelt announces end of coffee rationing in US > > > > > > > >I guess all usain adults were happy about that. > > > > > > 1943?? Jeez the war hadn't even ended in Europe then! > > > > Coffee rationing in the US did not last very long - a little over a year. People had to make do with about half what they were used to. Using a weaker brew and extenders, like chicory, were common. > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=Rk... age&q&f=true > > > I LOVE that the old _Life_ magazines are online. I quickly perused this November 1943 issue during lunch and was reminded about gas rationing, "George Washington Slept Here", thrifty wartime lighting with GE Mazda Lamps, battles won in Stalingrad and the Solomons, "Life Goes to a Soviet Embassy Reception", the very cool graphics of a Kool cigarette ad, and LOTS of ads for whiskey... > > All in all, we had it very good during WWII...lots of ads reminding us of rationing, but plenty also encouraging consumption. > > -- > Best > Greg What is interesting is that selling stuff was pretty much the same for my generation as it was for my dad's - probably his dad too. Old school advertising! |
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On 7/28/2016 9:44 AM, The Greatest! wrote:
> Meet the Allens, the Off-Grid Family That Wants Your Support to Survive > > http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...ml?wpsrc=nymag > The second thing the Allens want you to know about them is that they cant do this without you. Yes, their master plan for self-sufficiency involves moving to Costa Rica and buying a big plot of land where we can grow food, and have access to wildlife and nature in it's natural state, as they explain on their FundMyTravel.com campaign page (accompanied by a must-see video). But in order to make this happen they need $100,000 of your money, which they will pay back by sharing the treasure trove of knowledge they anticipate gaining by living off the land. In the meantime, theyll continue getting by on housing and child benefits from the government. > I want to go off the grid too. If you send me $100,000 I promise you will never hear from me again. I accept cash or bank checks. |
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 16:06:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>On 7/28/2016 9:44 AM, The Greatest! wrote: > >> Meet the Allens, the Off-Grid Family That Wants Your Support to Survive >> >> http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...ml?wpsrc=nymag > >> The second thing the Allens want you to know about them is that they cant do this without you. Yes, their master plan for self-sufficiency involves moving to Costa Rica and buying a big plot of land where we can grow food, and have access to wildlife and nature in it's natural state, as they explain on their FundMyTravel.com campaign page (accompanied by a must-see video). But in order to make this happen they need $100,000 of your money, which they will pay back by sharing the treasure trove of knowledge they anticipate gaining by living off the land. In the meantime, theyll continue getting by on housing and child benefits from the government. >> > >I want to go off the grid too. If you send me $100,000 I promise you >will never hear from me again. I accept cash or bank checks. Jeez a simple e-transfer will do! |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
... On 7/28/2016 9:44 AM, The Greatest! wrote: > Meet the Allens, the Off-Grid Family That Wants Your Support to Survive > > http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...ml?wpsrc=nymag > The second thing the Allens want you to know about them is that they cant > do this without you. Yes, their master plan for self-sufficiency involves > moving to Costa Rica and buying a big plot of land where we can grow > food, and have access to wildlife and nature in it's natural state, as > they explain on their FundMyTravel.com campaign page (accompanied by a > must-see video). But in order to make this happen they need $100,000 of > your money, which they will pay back by sharing the treasure trove of > knowledge they anticipate gaining by living off the land. In the meantime, > theyll continue getting by on housing and child benefits from the > government. > I want to go off the grid too. If you send me $100,000 I promise you will never hear from me again. I accept cash or bank checks. ------------------------- Me too!!! -- http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message ... > wrote in message ... > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:25:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >>On 7/27/2016 5:44 PM, wrote: >>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:04:43 -0700, "Julie Bove" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and >>>>>> get >>>>>> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got >>>>>> it. >>>>>> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people >>>>>> here >>>>>> got the vaccination and we're all still here. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Great logic.. People are still alive to they never needed a vaccine. >>>>> How >>>>> about the dead people? >>>>> >>>>> How long should our parents have waited to give is the polio vaccine? >>>>> I >>>>> know people that had and and I'm damned glad my parents were some of >>>>> the >>>>> first to get us vaccinated. Thank you Doctor Salk. >>>>> >>>>> If HPV was available at the time, my kids would have gotten it. >>>> >>>> Polio is hardly the same thing as cancer. >>> >>> >>> Oh, so polio is worse than cancer??? >>> >> >>Ever visit anyone in an iron lung? I was in fifth grade and one of my >>friends was in one. Another friend just has surgery as a result of the >>aftereffects these many years later. He's been limping for 60+ years. >> >>Both have killed people. You decide witch is worse. How do you want to >>die? > > I have a friend who after she was fully qualified as a paediatric > surgeon had what they now call 'flash back polio' - she had polio as a > child and appeared unharmed but many of them now are getting this. It > makes life a misery, she can't even plan day to day because she > doesn't know what condition she will be in. She had to give up her > practice, a great loss to kids. > > Polio isn't the same thing as cancer, that's for sure, they are not > comparable! > > =================== > > My mother had polio as a child and it left her with one leg shorter but it > never stopped her doing anything and she was in nursing nearly all her > life. > > She made sure I got my vacs for *everything*. This one isn't required or even suggested. |
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On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote: >> >> I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV and I >> thought poor Angela, her mother will not get it for her >> because she listens to quacks. > > I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get > the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it. > That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here > got the vaccination and we're all still here. > > IMO, it's like the newest version of Windows. Don't just run out and get > it when it's released. Give it some time and let them fix things first. > > Anyway, Julie is out of the loop now. They recommend getting the vaccine > while you're young and hopefully haven't had sex yet. Angela is 18 now. > It's her choice, not Julies call. > There are a lot of things that were done by the medical community back before they knew better. I know of two that hit home closely. One was an early HRT therapy for menopause (my poor mom when she had to stop the therapy!), and before then, medication to help prevent miscarriage, DES or something like that. My mom took that and medicine has found that children conceived when mom was on this therapy have higher risk of certain cancers, and even worse problems in the second generation or something in males. Being a person who is at risk I really should know more but hey, we'll all die of something. -- ღ.¸¸.*¨`* Cheryl |
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"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
"Ophelia" > wrote in message ... > wrote in message ... > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:25:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >>On 7/27/2016 5:44 PM, wrote: >>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:04:43 -0700, "Julie Bove" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and >>>>>> get >>>>>> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got >>>>>> it. >>>>>> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people >>>>>> here >>>>>> got the vaccination and we're all still here. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Great logic.. People are still alive to they never needed a vaccine. >>>>> How >>>>> about the dead people? >>>>> >>>>> How long should our parents have waited to give is the polio vaccine? >>>>> I >>>>> know people that had and and I'm damned glad my parents were some of >>>>> the >>>>> first to get us vaccinated. Thank you Doctor Salk. >>>>> >>>>> If HPV was available at the time, my kids would have gotten it. >>>> >>>> Polio is hardly the same thing as cancer. >>> >>> >>> Oh, so polio is worse than cancer??? >>> >> >>Ever visit anyone in an iron lung? I was in fifth grade and one of my >>friends was in one. Another friend just has surgery as a result of the >>aftereffects these many years later. He's been limping for 60+ years. >> >>Both have killed people. You decide witch is worse. How do you want to >>die? > > I have a friend who after she was fully qualified as a paediatric > surgeon had what they now call 'flash back polio' - she had polio as a > child and appeared unharmed but many of them now are getting this. It > makes life a misery, she can't even plan day to day because she > doesn't know what condition she will be in. She had to give up her > practice, a great loss to kids. > > Polio isn't the same thing as cancer, that's for sure, they are not > comparable! > > =================== > > My mother had polio as a child and it left her with one leg shorter but it > never stopped her doing anything and she was in nursing nearly all her > life. > > She made sure I got my vacs for *everything*. This one isn't required or even suggested. --------------------------------- I don't know this one. It is new to me -- http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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In article >, Julie Bove
> wrote: > Polio is hardly the same thing as cancer. Indeed. First there were a myriad of diseases that killed us from youth to old age. Then there were diabetes, tuberculosis, polio and scarlet fever that would kill or cripple us. Then there was and is heart disease, and be thankful for blood pressure medication, or some of us posting here would be dead already. Last, there is cancer that kills us, because all those other diseases didn't, and we lived long enough to get cancer. Some of us unfortunately die early from it. Nature doesn't care. leo |
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"Leonard Blaisdell" wrote in message
... In article >, Julie Bove > wrote: > Polio is hardly the same thing as cancer. Indeed. First there were a myriad of diseases that killed us from youth to old age. Then there were diabetes, tuberculosis, polio and scarlet fever that would kill or cripple us. Then there was and is heart disease, and be thankful for blood pressure medication, or some of us posting here would be dead already. Last, there is cancer that kills us, because all those other diseases didn't, and we lived long enough to get cancer. Some of us unfortunately die early from it. Nature doesn't care. ----------------------- All a matter of luck I suppose. -- http;//www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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lucretiaborgia wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>The Greatest! wrote: >< >>> Meet the Allens, the Off-Grid Family That Wants Your Support to Survive >>> >>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...ml?wpsrc=nymag >> >>>The second thing the Allens want you to know about them is that they cant do this without you. >>>Yes, their master plan for self-sufficiency involves moving to Costa Rica and buying a big plot of land >>>where we can grow food, and have access to wildlife and nature in it's natural state, as they explain >>>on their FundMyTravel.com campaign page (accompanied by a must-see video). But in order to make >this happen they need $100,000 of your money, which they will pay back by sharing the treasure >>>trove of knowledge they anticipate gaining by living off the land. In the meantime, theyll continue >>>getting by on housing and child benefits from the government. >> >>I want to go off the grid too. If you send me $100,000 I promise you >>will never hear from me again. I accept cash or bank checks. > >Jeez a simple e-transfer will do! At today's prices I doubt a measly 100 Gs will last six months living off the grid. |
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Sheldon wrote:
> lucretiaborgia wrote: > >Ed Pawlowski wrote: > >>The Greatest! wrote: > >< > >>> Meet the Allens, the Off-Grid Family That Wants Your Support to Survive > >>> > >>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...ml?wpsrc=nymag > >> > >>>The second thing the Allens want you to know about them is that they cant do this without you. > >>>Yes, their master plan for self-sufficiency involves moving to Costa Rica and buying a big plot of land > >>>where we can grow food, and have access to wildlife and nature in it's natural state, as they explain > >>>on their FundMyTravel.com campaign page (accompanied by a must-see video). But in order to make > >this happen they need $100,000 of your money, which they will pay back by sharing the treasure > >>>trove of knowledge they anticipate gaining by living off the land. In the meantime, theyll continue > >>>getting by on housing and child benefits from the government. > >> > >>I want to go off the grid too. If you send me $100,000 I promise you > >>will never hear from me again. I accept cash or bank checks. > > > >Jeez a simple e-transfer will do! > > At today's prices I doubt a measly 100 Gs will last six months living > off the grid. Well, it's not like those creeps are spending money on diapers or medical bills, lol... It's CRINGEABLE even reading that story, the TOP goal of everyone should be SELF - SUFFICIENCY, not sponging offa others...it's obvious the "parents" are mentally ill, i don't understand why the child welfare authorities don't scoop those kids right up, citng "child neglect" as the cause for action.. -- Best Greg |
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"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message ... > > At today's prices I doubt a measly 100 Gs will last six months living > off the grid. I wonder what the cost of living is for the average scumbag "professional" tenant ... |
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:57:54 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote: >lucretiaborgia wrote: >>Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>The Greatest! wrote: >>< >>>> Meet the Allens, the Off-Grid Family That Wants Your Support to Survive >>>> >>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...ml?wpsrc=nymag >>> >>>>The second thing the Allens want you to know about them is that they cant do this without you. >>>>Yes, their master plan for self-sufficiency involves moving to Costa Rica and buying a big plot of land >>>>where we can grow food, and have access to wildlife and nature in it's natural state, as they explain >>>>on their FundMyTravel.com campaign page (accompanied by a must-see video). But in order to make >>this happen they need $100,000 of your money, which they will pay back by sharing the treasure >>>>trove of knowledge they anticipate gaining by living off the land. In the meantime, theyll continue >>>>getting by on housing and child benefits from the government. >>> >>>I want to go off the grid too. If you send me $100,000 I promise you >>>will never hear from me again. I accept cash or bank checks. >> >>Jeez a simple e-transfer will do! > >At today's prices I doubt a measly 100 Gs will last six months living >off the grid. LOL, that makes sense. |
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Cheryl...except Burt Wolf, the PBS travel/food personality. He has said he wants
to die in perfect health. LOL. N. |
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On 7/31/2016 1:26 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Cheryl...except Burt Wolf, the PBS travel/food personality. He has said he wants > to die in perfect health. LOL. > > N. > Spike Milligan wanted: "I told them I was ill" on his headstone but the Irish papist authorities wouldn't allow it. So it was engraved in Gaelic instead. Graham |
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I used to add chicory to coffee but never did try chicory by itself.
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