Folks, that sound you just heard from the the UK is the Neo - liberal globalist crystal vase shattering on the hard cold marble floor. This vote is going to have HUGE repercussions - and that includes us here in the States.

All I can say to the entrenched establishment, and especially to the US Democratic Party establishment is: BEWARE, be very, VERY scared...!!!

The primarily liberal and comfortably well - off UK "chattering classes" flopped BIG TIME on this...they were very smug that "Remain" would prevail, their polling was WAY off, etc....

Anyways, what do Ophelia and some of you others think - step UP and opine...!!!

"The Greatest!" > wrote in message
...
> Folks, that sound you just heard from the the UK is the Neo - liberal
> globalist crystal vase shattering on the hard cold marble floor. This
> vote is going to have HUGE repercussions - and that includes us here in
> the States.
>
> All I can say to the entrenched establishment, and especially to the US
> Democratic Party establishment is: BEWARE, be very, VERY scared...!!!
>
> The primarily liberal and comfortably well - off UK "chattering classes"
> flopped BIG TIME on this...they were very smug that "Remain" would
> prevail, their polling was WAY off, etc....
>
> Anyways, what do Ophelia and some of you others think - step UP and
> opine...!!!

Ahh sorry Greg I've just seen this. I did make short response to William so
I hope you can see that????



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on the European continent at least [not including the UK]
the common currency, the Euro, is a good thing

for one reason - there will be fewer Wars in the future,
because they have this common economic link
[the currency]

it's similar to the US and China, being large trading partners,
which is a deterrent to us getting into a War

this theory works better with countries that have a common Border

marc

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 16:52:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Folks, that sound you just heard from the the UK is the Neo - liberal
> > globalist crystal vase shattering on the hard cold marble floor. This
> > vote is going to have HUGE repercussions - and that includes us here in
> > the States.
> >
> > All I can say to the entrenched establishment, and especially to the US
> > Democratic Party establishment is: BEWARE, be very, VERY scared...!!!
> >
> > The primarily liberal and comfortably well - off UK "chattering classes"
> > flopped BIG TIME on this...they were very smug that "Remain" would
> > prevail, their polling was WAY off, etc....
> >
> > Anyways, what do Ophelia and some of you others think - step UP and
> > opine...!!!
>
> Ahh sorry Greg I've just seen this. I did make short response to William so
> I hope you can see that????

UK leadership is passing from one Oxford grad to another. Same class
even. Elitist politics.

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sf

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 16:52:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>

>
> UK leadership is passing from one Oxford grad to another. Same class
> even. Elitist politics.

Really? We don't yet know who the new PM will be; do tell.

Not all UK PM's are Oxbridge graduates ( within my lifetime,
exceptions were Churchill, Callaghan, Brown, Major, 3 of whom did not
attend any university). Oxford fees and costs are parallel to every
other UK university. Over half of Oxford students enter from state
schools, IOW they are not aristocrats or even a financial elite who
attended private feepaying schools.

Being an Oxford graduate is an academic elite; but not necessarily a
class or financial one. I've no objection to political leaders being
intelligent or well educated, but YMMV :-)

Janet UK

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 20:04:34 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 16:52:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > UK leadership is passing from one Oxford grad to another. Same class
> > even. Elitist politics.
>
> Really? We don't yet know who the new PM will be; do tell.

You know as well as I do that they are predicting it will be Boris
Johnson, who graduated from Oxford.

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sf

On 6/25/2016 4:59 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 20:04:34 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>> In article >,
>>> UK leadership is passing from one Oxford grad to another. Same class
>>> even. Elitist politics.
>>
>> Really? We don't yet know who the new PM will be; do tell.
>
> You know as well as I do that they are predicting it will be Boris
> Johnson, who graduated from Oxford.
>
Or Michael Gove or Theresa May or George Osborne or ...

On 6/25/2016 5:15 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 6/25/2016 4:59 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 20:04:34 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>>> UK leadership is passing from one Oxford grad to another. Same class
>>>> even. Elitist politics.
>>>
>>> Really? We don't yet know who the new PM will be; do tell.
>>
>> You know as well as I do that they are predicting it will be Boris
>> Johnson, who graduated from Oxford.
>>
> Or Michael Gove or Theresa May or George Osborne or ...

But will they exit? Looks like a lot of people want a new vote.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/25/2016 5:15 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 6/25/2016 4:59 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 20:04:34 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>>> UK leadership is passing from one Oxford grad to another. Same class
>>>>> even. Elitist politics.
>>>>
>>>> Really? We don't yet know who the new PM will be; do tell.
>>>
>>> You know as well as I do that they are predicting it will be Boris
>>> Johnson, who graduated from Oxford.
>>>
>> Or Michael Gove or Theresa May or George Osborne or ...
>
> But will they exit? Looks like a lot of people want a new vote.

I think it might be Boris. Goodness knows what kind of fist he will make of
it. I do actually think though, he is far more intelligent than he appears.
He likes to play the buffoon which he couldn't in that position.

As for George Osborne, he is a goner! He made threats of a punishment budge
if we voted to leave. I am afraid that will be his legacy. He won't be
forgiven for that.



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In article >,
says...
>
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 20:04:34 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 16:52:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > UK leadership is passing from one Oxford grad to another. Same class
> > > even. Elitist politics.
> >
> > Really? We don't yet know who the new PM will be; do tell.
>
> You know as well as I do that they are predicting it will be Boris
> Johnson, who graduated from Oxford.

The Anyone But Boris campaign is run by his own party.

The Conservative party in Parliament has taken an enormous hit, is in
severe disarray and that means they will look for candidates who are
not a national bad joke, or as derided by voters (and many CON MPs) as
Boris. Remember, we already had him on public view as mayor of London.
He has quite limited and shallow political experience in parliament.
And, he's too like Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...25/contenders-
tory-party-leader-up-against-clock

" the Anyone But Boris squad in the Tory party is up and running and
made up of a curious mixture of Cameroons, social Conservatives who
disapprove of Boris?s romantic entanglements and dry Conservatives who
don?t think the former mayor is an authentic Tory or suspect that he
didn?t really back Brexit because he believed it but because it would
boost his leadership chances.

Already, anti-Boris WhatsApp groups are furiously buzzing away. The
Cameroon ABB faction met on Friday morning shortly after the prime
minister resigned and ran through a list of names of potential
contenders. The group, which included Nick Boles, arch-Osborneite Matt
Hancock and Thérèse Coffey, considered Nicky Morgan and Stephen Crabb
before alighting on Theresa May as their preferred candidate."

Janet.UKI

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:02:45 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 20:04:34 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 16:52:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > UK leadership is passing from one Oxford grad to another. Same class
> > > > even. Elitist politics.
> > >
> > > Really? We don't yet know who the new PM will be; do tell.
> >
> > You know as well as I do that they are predicting it will be Boris
> > Johnson, who graduated from Oxford.
>
> The Anyone But Boris campaign is run by his own party.

Which means, if elected, he and Trump will be perfect for each other -
and Putin.
>
> The Conservative party in Parliament has taken an enormous hit, is in
> severe disarray and that means they will look for candidates who are
> not a national bad joke, or as derided by voters (and many CON MPs) as
> Boris. Remember, we already had him on public view as mayor of London.
> He has quite limited and shallow political experience in parliament.
> And, he's too like Trump.

I didn't say he would be good, but considering the Brexit vote - he's
likely to be elected. Old people vote. Young people don't vote in
the large numbers that old people do.
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...25/contenders-
> tory-party-leader-up-against-clock
>
> " the Anyone But Boris squad in the Tory party is up and running and
> made up of a curious mixture of Cameroons, social Conservatives who
> disapprove of Boris?s romantic entanglements and dry Conservatives who
> don?t think the former mayor is an authentic Tory or suspect that he
> didn?t really back Brexit because he believed it but because it would
> boost his leadership chances.
>
> Already, anti-Boris WhatsApp groups are furiously buzzing away. The
> Cameroon ABB faction met on Friday morning shortly after the prime
> minister resigned and ran through a list of names of potential
> contenders. The group, which included Nick Boles, arch-Osborneite Matt
> Hancock and Thérèse Coffey, considered Nicky Morgan and Stephen Crabb
> before alighting on Theresa May as their preferred candidate."
>
> Janet.UKI

You have a political free for all (brawl) over there. The good thing
about it is everything is over and done with in less than a year. Our
elections take years (with all the campaigning), it's no wonder we
have so much voter apathy over here. I'm sick & tired of it and our
conventions haven't even been held yet. Hold the damn election.

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sf

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:02:45 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 20:04:34 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article >,
> > > > says...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 16:52:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > UK leadership is passing from one Oxford grad to another. Same class
> > > > > even. Elitist politics.
> > > >
> > > > Really? We don't yet know who the new PM will be; do tell.
> > >
> > > You know as well as I do that they are predicting it will be Boris
> > > Johnson, who graduated from Oxford.
> >
> > The Anyone But Boris campaign is run by his own party.
>
> Which means, if elected, he and Trump will be perfect for each other -
> and Putin.
> >
> > The Conservative party in Parliament has taken an enormous hit, is in
> > severe disarray and that means they will look for candidates who are
> > not a national bad joke, or as derided by voters (and many CON MPs) as
> > Boris. Remember, we already had him on public view as mayor of London.
> > He has quite limited and shallow political experience in parliament.
> > And, he's too like Trump.
>
> I didn't say he would be good, but considering the Brexit vote - he's
> likely to be elected.

You don't understand how the vacancy will be filled. First,
Conservative MPs select two candidates (from amongst themselves). As you
know many Conservative MPs were against brexit so no fan of Boris. The
vote then goes to Conservative party members in the UK who choose one of
the two candidates. Again, many Conservatives voted against Brexit; so
yet again may not favour Boris for PM. The rest of the country and other
parties don't vote. It's purely a Conservative matter.

The Conservatives are already running a campaign NOT to select Boris.
They'd rather have any other Conservative. That's why they call it
"anyone but boris".

Janet UK



> > https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...25/contenders-
> > tory-party-leader-up-against-clock
> >
> > " the Anyone But Boris squad in the Tory party is up and running and
> > made up of a curious mixture of Cameroons, social Conservatives who
> > disapprove of Boris?s romantic entanglements and dry Conservatives who
> > don?t think the former mayor is an authentic Tory or suspect that he
> > didn?t really back Brexit because he believed it but because it would
> > boost his leadership chances.

> You have a political free for all (brawl) over there. The good thing
> about it is everything is over and done with in less than a year.

You're confusing this with a General Election (or, your presidential
Election). Our Prime Ministers are chosen a completely different way by
their own party.
Labour looks set to also to need a new leader as most of its Shadow
cabinet have resigned rather than work with Corbyn.

Such is the state of political meltdown nothing in UK politics is going
to be all over in a year. We face at least two years of intensive
fighting over how to leave the EU, while simultaneously the two biggest
parties are both disintegrating before our eyes. Not to mention the
acute problem facing Ireland and Scotland. And the EU itself.

Janet UK

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 04:19:20 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>Such is the state of political meltdown nothing in UK politics is going
>to be all over in a year. We face at least two years of intensive
>fighting over how to leave the EU, while simultaneously the two biggest
>parties are both disintegrating before our eyes. Not to mention the
>acute problem facing Ireland and Scotland. And the EU itself.

Personally, I think it's a wonderful thing. The more things get shaken
up, the better. It's a situation fraught with risks, but opportunities
like this to return to a more authentic democratic government don't
come along very often. This event has been 35 years in the making IMO,
that's when the globalisation disease began.

On 2016-06-26 11:29 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 04:19:20 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> Personally, I think it's a wonderful thing. The more things get shaken
> up, the better. It's a situation fraught with risks, but opportunities
> like this to return to a more authentic democratic government don't
> come along very often. This event has been 35 years in the making IMO,
> that's when the globalisation disease began.

It is about time we took steps to end the race to the bottom. People
should be very concerned about the Pacific trade deal that is shaping
up. It is bad enough that we have lost so many manufacturing jobs to
countries with lower wages and no worker protection, but we could find
foreign workers coming here and taking the remaining jobs.

Ophelia wrote:

> "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Folks, that sound you just heard from the the UK is the Neo - liberal
> > globalist crystal vase shattering on the hard cold marble floor. This
> > vote is going to have HUGE repercussions - and that includes us here in
> > the States.
> >
> > All I can say to the entrenched establishment, and especially to the US
> > Democratic Party establishment is: BEWARE, be very, VERY scared...!!!
> >
> > The primarily liberal and comfortably well - off UK "chattering classes"
> > flopped BIG TIME on this...they were very smug that "Remain" would
> > prevail, their polling was WAY off, etc....
> >
> > Anyways, what do Ophelia and some of you others think - step UP and
> > opine...!!!
>
> Ahh sorry Greg I've just seen this. I did make short response to William so
> I hope you can see that????


Yes, luv... ;-)

This is the most unexpectedly shocking thing politically that I've witnessed in my lifetime - the first was the fall of the Berlin Wall, and then the quick dissolution of East Bloc communism. In early 1989, no one even remotely thought that these events would occur - and by year's end, no less...!!! The re-unification of Germany was not even considered remotely in the cards, even by West Germany...

This whole Brexit contretemps is fascinating, to say the least...

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Greg

"The Greatest!" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Folks, that sound you just heard from the the UK is the Neo - liberal
>> > globalist crystal vase shattering on the hard cold marble floor. This
>> > vote is going to have HUGE repercussions - and that includes us here in
>> > the States.
>> >
>> > All I can say to the entrenched establishment, and especially to the US
>> > Democratic Party establishment is: BEWARE, be very, VERY scared...!!!
>> >
>> > The primarily liberal and comfortably well - off UK "chattering
>> > classes"
>> > flopped BIG TIME on this...they were very smug that "Remain" would
>> > prevail, their polling was WAY off, etc....
>> >
>> > Anyways, what do Ophelia and some of you others think - step UP and
>> > opine...!!!
>>
>> Ahh sorry Greg I've just seen this. I did make short response to William
>> so
>> I hope you can see that????
>
>
> Yes, luv... ;-)
>
> This is the most unexpectedly shocking thing politically that I've
> witnessed in my lifetime - the first was the fall of the Berlin Wall, and
> then the quick dissolution of East Bloc communism. In early 1989, no one
> even remotely thought that these events would occur - and by year's end,
> no less...!!! The re-unification of Germany was not even considered
> remotely in the cards, even by West Germany...
>
> This whole Brexit contretemps is fascinating, to say the least...

Read newspapers online? For a mix try The Telegraph, The Guardian, The
Mail, The Spectator.


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Ophelia wrote:

> "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >> "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Folks, that sound you just heard from the the UK is the Neo - liberal
> >> > globalist crystal vase shattering on the hard cold marble floor. This
> >> > vote is going to have HUGE repercussions - and that includes us here in
> >> > the States.
> >> >
> >> > All I can say to the entrenched establishment, and especially to the US
> >> > Democratic Party establishment is: BEWARE, be very, VERY scared...!!!
> >> >
> >> > The primarily liberal and comfortably well - off UK "chattering
> >> > classes"
> >> > flopped BIG TIME on this...they were very smug that "Remain" would
> >> > prevail, their polling was WAY off, etc....
> >> >
> >> > Anyways, what do Ophelia and some of you others think - step UP and
> >> > opine...!!!
> >>
> >> Ahh sorry Greg I've just seen this. I did make short response to William
> >> so
> >> I hope you can see that????
> >
> >
> > Yes, luv... ;-)
> >
> > This is the most unexpectedly shocking thing politically that I've
> > witnessed in my lifetime - the first was the fall of the Berlin Wall, and
> > then the quick dissolution of East Bloc communism. In early 1989, no one
> > even remotely thought that these events would occur - and by year's end,
> > no less...!!! The re-unification of Germany was not even considered
> > remotely in the cards, even by West Germany...
> >
> > This whole Brexit contretemps is fascinating, to say the least...
>
> Read newspapers online? For a mix try The Telegraph, The Guardian, The
> Mail, The Spectator.


Yes, thanks, all of them...!!!


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Greg

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 04:19:20 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> The Conservatives are already running a campaign NOT to select Boris.
> They'd rather have any other Conservative. That's why they call it
> "anyone but boris".

I read that just this morning. Good to hear!

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sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 04:19:20 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> The Conservatives are already running a campaign NOT to select Boris.
>> They'd rather have any other Conservative. That's why they call it
>> "anyone but boris".
>
> I read that just this morning. Good to hear!

SOME Conservatives ... Why do you care anyway?

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"The Greatest!" > wrote in message
...

>> Read newspapers online? For a mix try The Telegraph, The Guardian, The
>> Mail, The Spectator.
>
>
> Yes, thanks, all of them...!!!

Enjoy


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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>> Read newspapers online? For a mix try The Telegraph, The Guardian, The
>>> Mail, The Spectator.
>>
>>
>> Yes, thanks, all of them...!!!
>
> Enjoy

Oh you might want to try the Express too


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Ophelia wrote:

> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>> Read newspapers online? For a mix try The Telegraph, The Guardian, The
> >>> Mail, The Spectator.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, thanks, all of them...!!!
> >
> > Enjoy
>
> Oh you might want to try the Express too


Thanks! I like perusing the UK press, most papers still have a definite ideological "personality", unlike here in the States, where everything is so bland and dumbed - down...

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"The Greatest!" > wrote in message
...
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> > "The Greatest!" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >
>> >>> Read newspapers online? For a mix try The Telegraph, The Guardian,
>> >>> The
>> >>> Mail, The Spectator.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yes, thanks, all of them...!!!
>> >
>> > Enjoy
>>
>> Oh you might want to try the Express too
>
>
> Thanks! I like perusing the UK press, most papers still have a definite
> ideological "personality", unlike here in the States, where everything is
> so bland and dumbed - down...

Yes, each paper has its bias but you have a balance there. Enjoy


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According to all the experts, a do-over (second vote) is impossible.
I trust the experts on UK law know whereof they speak.

N.

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
> According to all the experts, a do-over (second vote) is impossible.
> I trust the experts on UK law know whereof they speak.

I am pleased you trust them. I don't!
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