Someone just posted to the Dataw Net (an antiquated listserv thing) she
has a bag full of FREE bread crusts!

She exactly said, "I have a bag of bread crusts if any one is in to
making their own bread crumbs."

Sure... I'm gonna drive over and pick up a bag of old bread crusts.

The incredible thing about this is someone probably will. And they'll
thank her for her giving them a bag of stale bread crusts. Weird.

Jill

She should toss them in the yard for the critters.

N.

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Someone just posted to the Dataw Net (an antiquated listserv thing)
> she has a bag full of FREE bread crusts!
>
> She exactly said, "I have a bag of bread crusts if any one is in to
> making their own bread crumbs."
>
> Sure... I'm gonna drive over and pick up a bag of old bread crusts.
>
> The incredible thing about this is someone probably will. And
> they'll thank her for her giving them a bag of stale bread crusts.
> Weird.
>
> Jill

Jill, many people are into not tossing things out before they check to
see if another can use them. It's called 'being green'.

I just had a lady pickup 2 amazon boxes, a beer carton, 4 old news
papers and 4 large plastic folgers containers (by eyeball, 3/4 gallon)
with airtight lids.

The boxes, newspapers and beer carton are for packing as she's moving
from an apartment to a house. The containers are for dry goods storage
(rice, beans, etc.) now that she will have space to get some items in
bulk.

I have 8 egg cartons and will add more to a stack in the storage room.
Why? Shortly it will be time to start seedings for the garden. I'll
put them up on offer in 3-4 weeks which is about right time for here to
start them.

I wouldnt pickup the bread crusts but then I make all our bread so have
plenty for such. Dataw being such a small place, it would be sensible
to snag some at need, and at the least freeze then use for a little fun
feeding the birds.

You'd be suprised how many people actually think about not wasting
things and make an effort in that direction.



--

In article >, says...
>
> Someone just posted to the Dataw Net (an antiquated listserv thing) she
> has a bag full of FREE bread crusts!
>
> She exactly said, "I have a bag of bread crusts if any one is in to
> making their own bread crumbs."
>
> Sure... I'm gonna drive over and pick up a bag of old bread crusts.
>
> The incredible thing about this is someone probably will. And they'll
> thank her for her giving them a bag of stale bread crusts. Weird.

I save bread crusts in the freezer; when the grandkids come we fill a
big bag of crusts, go down to the foot bridge over the river and they
feed the ducks and geese.

It's hard to say who gets most pleasure from this simple outing; the
birds, the children, or Granny and Grandpa.

Janet UK

On 2/6/2016 1:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Someone just posted to the Dataw Net (an antiquated listserv thing)
>> she has a bag full of FREE bread crusts!
>>
>> She exactly said, "I have a bag of bread crusts if any one is in to
>> making their own bread crumbs."
>>
>> Sure... I'm gonna drive over and pick up a bag of old bread crusts.
>>
>> The incredible thing about this is someone probably will. And
>> they'll thank her for her giving them a bag of stale bread crusts.
>> Weird.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Jill, many people are into not tossing things out before they check to
> see if another can use them. It's called 'being green'.
>
> I just had a lady pickup 2 amazon boxes, a beer carton, 4 old news
> papers and 4 large plastic folgers containers (by eyeball, 3/4 gallon)
> with airtight lids.
>
> The boxes, newspapers and beer carton are for packing as she's moving
> from an apartment to a house. The containers are for dry goods storage
> (rice, beans, etc.) now that she will have space to get some items in
> bulk.
>
> I have 8 egg cartons and will add more to a stack in the storage room.
> Why? Shortly it will be time to start seedings for the garden. I'll
> put them up on offer in 3-4 weeks which is about right time for here to
> start them.
>
> I wouldnt pickup the bread crusts but then I make all our bread so have
> plenty for such. Dataw being such a small place, it would be sensible
> to snag some at need, and at the least freeze then use for a little fun
> feeding the birds.
>
> You'd be suprised how many people actually think about not wasting
> things and make an effort in that direction.
>
>
>
I'm not into throwing away food, either. But I sure wouldn't offer
bread crusts to my neighbors. I'd either freeze them to make my own
breadcrumbs (or croutons!) or use them to feed the birds. Then again, I
don't trim the crust off of bread.

Jill

On 2/6/2016 2:30 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> Someone just posted to the Dataw Net (an antiquated listserv thing) she
>> has a bag full of FREE bread crusts!
>>
>> She exactly said, "I have a bag of bread crusts if any one is in to
>> making their own bread crumbs."
>>
>> Sure... I'm gonna drive over and pick up a bag of old bread crusts.
>>
>> The incredible thing about this is someone probably will. And they'll
>> thank her for her giving them a bag of stale bread crusts. Weird.
>
> I save bread crusts in the freezer; when the grandkids come we fill a
> big bag of crusts, go down to the foot bridge over the river and they
> feed the ducks and geese.
>
> It's hard to say who gets most pleasure from this simple outing; the
> birds, the children, or Granny and Grandpa.
>
> Janet UK
>
I'd use them to feed the birds, too, if I wasn't going to make bread
crumbs or croutons. However, I don't generally wind up with a bunch of
bread crusts.

Jill

On 2/6/2016 12:11 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 11:51:45 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Someone just posted to the Dataw Net (an antiquated listserv thing) she
>> has a bag full of FREE bread crusts!
>>
>> She exactly said, "I have a bag of bread crusts if any one is in to
>> making their own bread crumbs."
>>
>> Sure... I'm gonna drive over and pick up a bag of old bread crusts.
>>
>> The incredible thing about this is someone probably will. And they'll
>> thank her for her giving them a bag of stale bread crusts. Weird.
>
> Don't the "Mean Old Ladies of Dataw" (new reality TV show coming soon)
> like to feed the birds?
>
> -sw
>
I must be the only one. Gotta wonder where she got all the bread
crusts. Perhaps she has lots left over from serving dainty watercress
and cucumber sandwiches from which the crust was trimmed.

Jill

Nancy2 wrote:
>
>She should toss them in the yard for the critters.

Exactly! I toss out food for critters several times every day.
My typical stash of bird seed:
http://i66.tinypic.com/1431fmg.jpg
Gotta feed my chickens:
http://i66.tinypic.com/2j3gmcm.jpg
Nothing critters can eat go in my trash can, deer love apple cores.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Someone just posted to the Dataw Net (an antiquated listserv thing)
>> she has a bag full of FREE bread crusts!
>>
>> She exactly said, "I have a bag of bread crusts if any one is in to
>> making their own bread crumbs."
>>
>> Sure... I'm gonna drive over and pick up a bag of old bread crusts.
>>
>> The incredible thing about this is someone probably will. And
>> they'll thank her for her giving them a bag of stale bread crusts.
>> Weird.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Jill, many people are into not tossing things out before they check to
> see if another can use them. It's called 'being green'.
>
> I just had a lady pickup 2 amazon boxes, a beer carton, 4 old news
> papers and 4 large plastic folgers containers (by eyeball, 3/4 gallon)
> with airtight lids.
>
> The boxes, newspapers and beer carton are for packing as she's moving
> from an apartment to a house. The containers are for dry goods storage
> (rice, beans, etc.) now that she will have space to get some items in
> bulk.
>
> I have 8 egg cartons and will add more to a stack in the storage room.
> Why? Shortly it will be time to start seedings for the garden. I'll
> put them up on offer in 3-4 weeks which is about right time for here to
> start them.
>
> I wouldnt pickup the bread crusts but then I make all our bread so have
> plenty for such. Dataw being such a small place, it would be sensible
> to snag some at need, and at the least freeze then use for a little fun
> feeding the birds.
>
> You'd be suprised how many people actually think about not wasting
> things and make an effort in that direction.

We have a Facebook group for this area that lists free things and people can
also ask to get things for free. I am always amazed at what some people
want for free. These are usually young women who are setting up their first
apartment and want us to furnish it with brand new things for them. And
sometimes they actually do get the things.

On 2/6/2016 5:45 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>> She should toss them in the yard for the critters.
>
> Exactly! I toss out food for critters several times every day.
> My typical stash of bird seed:
> http://i66.tinypic.com/1431fmg.jpg
> Gotta feed my chickens:
> http://i66.tinypic.com/2j3gmcm.jpg
> Nothing critters can eat go in my trash can, deer love apple cores.
>
I can tell Spring is on the way because the mourning doves have shown
up. Time to fly north? I saw four of them puttering around eating seed
I'd scattered on the patio.

I feed the birds when it's cold. I don't live in an area where it gets
cold or snows. Birds are pretty good at finding food. If I had a bunch
of leftover bread crusts I'd certainly throw them out for the birds.
Or, as was suggested, use them to make bread crumbs. Or as my SO John
suggested, make croutons.

I'm not offering my neighbotr a bag of bread crusts.

Jill

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2/6/2016 1:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > Someone just posted to the Dataw Net (an antiquated listserv
> > > thing) she has a bag full of FREE bread crusts!
> > >
> > > She exactly said, "I have a bag of bread crusts if any one is in
> > > to making their own bread crumbs."
> > >
> > > Sure... I'm gonna drive over and pick up a bag of old bread
> > > crusts.
> > >
> > > The incredible thing about this is someone probably will. And
> > > they'll thank her for her giving them a bag of stale bread crusts.
> > > Weird.
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > Jill, many people are into not tossing things out before they check
> > to see if another can use them. It's called 'being green'.
> >
> > I just had a lady pickup 2 amazon boxes, a beer carton, 4 old news
> > papers and 4 large plastic folgers containers (by eyeball, 3/4
> > gallon) with airtight lids.
> >
> > The boxes, newspapers and beer carton are for packing as she's
> > moving from an apartment to a house. The containers are for dry
> > goods storage (rice, beans, etc.) now that she will have space to
> > get some items in bulk.
> >
> > I have 8 egg cartons and will add more to a stack in the storage
> > room. Why? Shortly it will be time to start seedings for the
> > garden. I'll put them up on offer in 3-4 weeks which is about
> > right time for here to start them.
> >
> > I wouldnt pickup the bread crusts but then I make all our bread so
> > have plenty for such. Dataw being such a small place, it would be
> > sensible to snag some at need, and at the least freeze then use for
> > a little fun feeding the birds.
> >
> > You'd be suprised how many people actually think about not wasting
> > things and make an effort in that direction.
> >
> >
> >
> I'm not into throwing away food, either. But I sure wouldn't offer
> bread crusts to my neighbors. I'd either freeze them to make my own
> breadcrumbs (or croutons!) or use them to feed the birds. Then
> again, I don't trim the crust off of bread.
>
> Jill

Why wouldn't you offer them if you had an excess of them past your use
level? Think about it.

People here are pretty educated on what others may want and how to give
it a second life.

2lbs peanut shells
27 coffee pods contents
5lbs coffee grounds
36 egg shells
3lbs furry carrots
1lb slimy lettuce

Went like hot cakes to a composter. Basically add leaves and grass
clippings.

Another thing that goes like hotcakes is freezerburned meat for pet
feeding. Dogs cant taste that it is freezerburned short of a 10,000
year old mammoth or sonething. We trade that locally for free for
folks with dogs. I just scored 20lbs boneless venison past it's prime
but fine for the dogs and just as healthy as it would be if at prime
for us.

Smile, think outside the box.


--

On 2/6/2016 8:30 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>>> Jill, many people are into not tossing things out before they check
>>> to see if another can use them. It's called 'being green'.
>>>
>>> I just had a lady pickup 2 amazon boxes, a beer carton, 4 old news
>>> papers and 4 large plastic folgers containers (by eyeball, 3/4
>>> gallon) with airtight lids.
>>>
>>> You'd be suprised how many people actually think about not wasting
>>> things and make an effort in that direction.
>>>
>> I'm not into throwing away food, either. But I sure wouldn't offer
>> bread crusts to my neighbors. I'd either freeze them to make my own
>> breadcrumbs (or croutons!) or use them to feed the birds. Then
>> again, I don't trim the crust off of bread.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Why wouldn't you offer them if you had an excess of them past your use
> level? Think about it.
>
Perhaps because I wouldn't have an excess of bread crusts above my use
level. I shop for what will use before it goes bad. I also have a freezer.

> People here are pretty educated on what others may want and how to give
> it a second life.
>
> 2lbs peanut shells
> 27 coffee pods contents
> 5lbs coffee grounds
> 36 egg shells
> 3lbs furry carrots
> 1lb slimy lettuce
>
> Went like hot cakes to a composter. Basically add leaves and grass
> clippings.
>
I'm thrilled for you.

> Another thing that goes like hotcakes is freezerburned meat for pet
> feeding. Dogs cant taste that it is freezerburned short of a 10,000
> year old mammoth or sonething. We trade that locally for free for
> folks with dogs. I just scored 20lbs boneless venison past it's prime
> but fine for the dogs and just as healthy as it would be if at prime
> for us.
>
I don't own a dog. I don't drink coffee. What the heck would I need 2
lbs. of peanut shells for? And oh... yes, I'm sorry I forgot to save
the egg shells. Wait, they're called *garbage*.

> Smile, think outside the box.
>
Carol, you talk about being being "green" but I call what you're talking
about hoarding garbage.

You think it's a good idea to try to compost plastic Keurig coffee pods?
I also never have slimy lettuce or furry carrots. I tend to use up
vegetables before they start to turn odd shades and grow fuzz. Your
mileage varies, that's for sure.

Jill

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:58:23 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>Perhaps because I wouldn't have an excess of bread crusts above my use
>level. I shop for what will use before it goes bad. I also have a freezer.
>
>I don't own a dog. I don't drink coffee. What the heck would I need 2
>lbs. of peanut shells for? And oh... yes, I'm sorry I forgot to save
>the egg shells. Wait, they're called *garbage*.
>
>Carol, you talk about being being "green" but I call what you're talking
>about hoarding garbage.
>
>You think it's a good idea to try to compost plastic Keurig coffee pods?
> I also never have slimy lettuce or furry carrots. I tend to use up
>vegetables before they start to turn odd shades and grow fuzz. Your
>mileage varies, that's for sure.

Poster girl for clueless city people.

--
Bruce

On 2/6/2016 10:56 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> She should toss them in the yard for the critters.
>
> N.
>
That was my thought exactly. I often drive down to the pond on campus
that has a variety of ducks and other water fowl, and I will toss pieces
of bread to them.

MaryL

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:58:23 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>Perhaps because I wouldn't have an excess of bread crusts above my use
>>level. I shop for what will use before it goes bad. I also have a
>>freezer.
>>
>>I don't own a dog. I don't drink coffee. What the heck would I need 2
>>lbs. of peanut shells for? And oh... yes, I'm sorry I forgot to save
>>the egg shells. Wait, they're called *garbage*.
>>
>>Carol, you talk about being being "green" but I call what you're talking
>>about hoarding garbage.
>>
>>You think it's a good idea to try to compost plastic Keurig coffee pods?
>> I also never have slimy lettuce or furry carrots. I tend to use up
>>vegetables before they start to turn odd shades and grow fuzz. Your
>>mileage varies, that's for sure.
>
> Poster girl for clueless city people.

Sounds that way. I have seen uses for peanut shells but nothing comes to
mind. Whatever they were used for was not something I needed them for.

On Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 6:35:29 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:

> I can tell Spring is on the way because the mourning doves have shown
> up. Time to fly north? I saw four of them puttering around eating seed
> I'd scattered on the patio.
>
> I feed the birds when it's cold. I don't live in an area where it gets
> cold or snows. Birds are pretty good at finding food. If I had a bunch
> of leftover bread crusts I'd certainly throw them out for the birds.
> Or, as was suggested, use them to make bread crumbs. Or as my SO John
> suggested, make croutons.

We have mourning doves year-round here in Michigan. I feed them, and
sometimes a hawk will oblige by killing one. The hawk is going to
kill something, somewhere, sometime (it's gotta eat), so it might
as well be where I can enjoy its skill. Of course, the time a hawk
took a mallard and left the remains on my pergola was distressing.

I can tell Spring is on its way when I see a robin. For some reason,
Turdus migratorius is the Michigan state bird, favored over other
birds that stay here all year long. I think I saw one yesterday
at the bird bath, although it was too far away to be certain.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 10:15:11 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:58:23 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> >Perhaps because I wouldn't have an excess of bread crusts above my use
> >level. I shop for what will use before it goes bad. I also have a freezer.
> >
> >I don't own a dog. I don't drink coffee. What the heck would I need 2
> >lbs. of peanut shells for? And oh... yes, I'm sorry I forgot to save
> >the egg shells. Wait, they're called *garbage*.
> >
> >Carol, you talk about being being "green" but I call what you're talking
> >about hoarding garbage.
> >
> >You think it's a good idea to try to compost plastic Keurig coffee pods?
> > I also never have slimy lettuce or furry carrots. I tend to use up
> >vegetables before they start to turn odd shades and grow fuzz. Your
> >mileage varies, that's for sure.
>
> Poster girl for clueless city people.

Her homeowners' association probably forbids composting anyway.

I could compost, but I don't. The couple of times I tried it, I
ended up either with a wet, anaerobic pile or the best stand of
weeds in the neighborhood. It's like a pet; you have to keep
doing things for it and I just wasn't there for it.

Cindy Hamilton

"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/6/2016 10:56 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>> She should toss them in the yard for the critters.
>>
>> N.
>>
> That was my thought exactly. I often drive down to the pond on campus
> that has a variety of ducks and other water fowl, and I will toss pieces
> of bread to them.
>
> MaryL

Amazing how many non animal lovers are here. Why would you people do this?

http://birding.about.com/od/birdfeed...ducksbread.htm

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "MaryL" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2/6/2016 10:56 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>
>>> She should toss them in the yard for the critters.
>>>
>>> N.
>>>
>> That was my thought exactly. I often drive down to the pond on campus
>> that has a variety of ducks and other water fowl, and I will toss pieces
>> of bread to them.
>>
>> MaryL
>
> Amazing how many non animal lovers are here. Why would you people do
> this?
>
> http://birding.about.com/od/birdfeed...ducksbread.htm

Some of the places we go have a notices forbidding the feeding the ducks

But you can't blame people for not knowing. They are just being kind.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2/7/2016 6:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Her homeowners' association probably forbids composting anyway.
>
That's true.

> I could compost, but I don't. The couple of times I tried it, I
> ended up either with a wet, anaerobic pile or the best stand of
> weeds in the neighborhood. It's like a pet; you have to keep
> doing things for it and I just wasn't there for it.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Even if it was allowed, there's no good place for a compost bin in my
fairly small yard. And then what do you do with the composted stuff?

I don't have a garden so if the answer is 'fertilizer', well, that's out
of the question. I'd just wind up with a big pile of composted stuff
and have to figure out a way to dispose of it.

I've got no idea why Carol mentioned those coffee pod things; they
certainly aren't what I'd consider "green".

Getting back to my original point, I don't eat enough bread to
accumulate a bag of bread crusts. In fact, I've never trimmed the crust
off of bread so I wouldn't have a bag of crusts anyway. When I want to
make bread crumbs (or croutons, as my SO suggested) I dehydrate pieces
of bread in a low oven.

Jill

On 2/7/2016 6:46 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 6:35:29 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
>> I can tell Spring is on the way because the mourning doves have shown
>> up. Time to fly north? I saw four of them puttering around eating seed
>> I'd scattered on the patio.
>>
> We have mourning doves year-round here in Michigan. I feed them, and
> sometimes a hawk will oblige by killing one. The hawk is going to
> kill something, somewhere, sometime (it's gotta eat), so it might
> as well be where I can enjoy its skill. Of course, the time a hawk
> took a mallard and left the remains on my pergola was distressing.
>
I love mourning doves. They make such a soothing, cooing sound. I saw
one at first but I heard it cooing, I knew the mate wouldn't be far
behind. Then two more. For some reason they always show up in two pairs.

I guess they like colder weather than we get here in southern South
Carolina. They were frequent visitors to my patio in west TN, but it
gets colder there and stays cold longer.

The hawks around here typically go after squirrels. But yes, they have
to eat, too. I certainly don't begrudge them that.

> I can tell Spring is on its way when I see a robin. For some reason,
> Turdus migratorius is the Michigan state bird, favored over other
> birds that stay here all year long. I think I saw one yesterday
> at the bird bath, although it was too far away to be certain.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I don't see too many robins here, which is odd. They were also quite
common in west TN.

I went out and bought bird seed because I saw a bright yellow male
goldfinch in the bird bath. First time I've ever seen a goldfinch here.
The bluebirds have been showing up, too. They like my little bird
bath. One will hop in, next thing you know it's a party!

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I love mourning doves. They make such a soothing, cooing sound.

LOL! This a classic case of "too much of a good thing"
Occasional outside wild doves = good.
Inside pet doves = fail!

I learned the hard way many years ago about the truth there.
Young daughter growing up here had many small pets. I was fine with
that until one day she came home with 2 doves from the pet store.

"Oh dad, they're so cool. Listen to the nice cooing sounds they make"
And I agreed...it was low volume and somewhat soothing.
Trouble was they did that cooing sound 24/7 even all during the
night. I put up with constant "cooing" for about 2 weeks.
By then I was ready to kill them both.
"SHUT UP, birds....SHUT THE HELL UP OR DIE!" LOL

The constant really did get that annoying.
I made her take them back to the pet store.

On 2/7/2016 9:24 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I love mourning doves. They make such a soothing, cooing sound.
>
> LOL! This a classic case of "too much of a good thing"
> Occasional outside wild doves = good.
> Inside pet doves = fail!
>
> I learned the hard way many years ago about the truth there.
> Young daughter growing up here had many small pets. I was fine with
> that until one day she came home with 2 doves from the pet store.
>
> "Oh dad, they're so cool. Listen to the nice cooing sounds they make"
> And I agreed...it was low volume and somewhat soothing.
> Trouble was they did that cooing sound 24/7 even all during the
> night. I put up with constant "cooing" for about 2 weeks.
> By then I was ready to kill them both.
> "SHUT UP, birds....SHUT THE HELL UP OR DIE!" LOL
>
> The constant really did get that annoying.
> I made her take them back to the pet store.
>
I grew up with pet birds. Think doves are annoying? Try parakeets.
Chirp chirp chirp, squawk squawk swawk. I you throw a towel over the
cage they shut up and go to sleep.

Jill

In article >, says...
>
> "MaryL" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2/6/2016 10:56 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> >>
> >> She should toss them in the yard for the critters.
> >>
> >> N.
> >>
> > That was my thought exactly. I often drive down to the pond on campus
> > that has a variety of ducks and other water fowl, and I will toss pieces
> > of bread to them.
> >
> > MaryL
>
> Amazing how many non animal lovers are here. Why would you people do this?
>
> http://birding.about.com/od/birdfeed...ducksbread.htm

I don't.

None of that urbancentric whine applies to the ducks we feed, their
environment, location, diet or lifestyle.

Janet UK

On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 09:24:44 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I love mourning doves. They make such a soothing, cooing sound.
>
>LOL! This a classic case of "too much of a good thing"
>Occasional outside wild doves = good.
>Inside pet doves = fail!
>
>I learned the hard way many years ago about the truth there.
>Young daughter growing up here had many small pets. I was fine with
>that until one day she came home with 2 doves from the pet store.
>
>"Oh dad, they're so cool. Listen to the nice cooing sounds they make"
>And I agreed...it was low volume and somewhat soothing.
>Trouble was they did that cooing sound 24/7 even all during the
>night. I put up with constant "cooing" for about 2 weeks.
>By then I was ready to kill them both.
>"SHUT UP, birds....SHUT THE HELL UP OR DIE!" LOL
>
>The constant really did get that annoying.
>I made her take them back to the pet store.

Agreed, they used to hang round my place before I moved here. I felt
they calling them mourning doves because they sounded so mournful.
Can't imagine having them in the house They would have made
excellent pigeon pie though

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 9:01:03 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 2/7/2016 6:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Her homeowners' association probably forbids composting anyway.
> >
> That's true.
>
> > I could compost, but I don't. The couple of times I tried it, I
> > ended up either with a wet, anaerobic pile or the best stand of
> > weeds in the neighborhood. It's like a pet; you have to keep
> > doing things for it and I just wasn't there for it.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Even if it was allowed, there's no good place for a compost bin in my
> fairly small yard. And then what do you do with the composted stuff?
>
> I don't have a garden so if the answer is 'fertilizer', well, that's out
> of the question. I'd just wind up with a big pile of composted stuff
> and have to figure out a way to dispose of it.

I have a 2-acre yard, and I garden, and my soil would benefit
from compost. But I can't be bothered. My food waste goes in the
trash or down the garbage disposal. I buy a couple bags of compost
to enrich the soil right before I plant garlic in the fall. The
flowers are on their own in my lean clay.

> I've got no idea why Carol mentioned those coffee pod things; they
> certainly aren't what I'd consider "green".

She said the contents of the pods: 27 coffee pod contents

> Getting back to my original point, I don't eat enough bread to
> accumulate a bag of bread crusts. In fact, I've never trimmed the crust
> off of bread so I wouldn't have a bag of crusts anyway. When I want to
> make bread crumbs (or croutons, as my SO suggested) I dehydrate pieces
> of bread in a low oven.

I generally eat the entire loaf, crusts, heels and all.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 9:26:01 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > I love mourning doves. They make such a soothing, cooing sound.
>
> LOL! This a classic case of "too much of a good thing"
> Occasional outside wild doves = good.
> Inside pet doves = fail!
>
> I learned the hard way many years ago about the truth there.
> Young daughter growing up here had many small pets. I was fine with
> that until one day she came home with 2 doves from the pet store.
>
> "Oh dad, they're so cool. Listen to the nice cooing sounds they make"
> And I agreed...it was low volume and somewhat soothing.
> Trouble was they did that cooing sound 24/7 even all during the
> night. I put up with constant "cooing" for about 2 weeks.
> By then I was ready to kill them both.
> "SHUT UP, birds....SHUT THE HELL UP OR DIE!" LOL
>
> The constant really did get that annoying.
> I made her take them back to the pet store.

I get fleets (or battalions) of grackles. They're monstrous
for talking. When the young are turfed out of the nest, they'll
hang around the bird feeder waiting for someone to feed them and
calling for their mommies. It makes my husband wish he could
discharge his shotgun in our yard.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 16:42:41 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/6/2016 2:30 PM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> Someone just posted to the Dataw Net (an antiquated listserv thing) she
>>> has a bag full of FREE bread crusts!
>>>
>>> She exactly said, "I have a bag of bread crusts if any one is in to
>>> making their own bread crumbs."
>>>
>>> Sure... I'm gonna drive over and pick up a bag of old bread crusts.
>>>
>>> The incredible thing about this is someone probably will. And they'll
>>> thank her for her giving them a bag of stale bread crusts. Weird.
>>
>> I save bread crusts in the freezer; when the grandkids come we fill a
>> big bag of crusts, go down to the foot bridge over the river and they
>> feed the ducks and geese.
>>
>> It's hard to say who gets most pleasure from this simple outing; the
>> birds, the children, or Granny and Grandpa.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>I'd use them to feed the birds, too, if I wasn't going to make bread
>crumbs or croutons. However, I don't generally wind up with a bunch of
>bread crusts.
>
>Jill
getting a bag of bread crusts from a stranger to make crumbs has too
much eeew factor for me.
Janet US

On 2016-02-07 6:46 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> We have mourning doves year-round here in Michigan. I feed them, and
> sometimes a hawk will oblige by killing one. The hawk is going to
> kill something, somewhere, sometime (it's gotta eat), so it might
> as well be where I can enjoy its skill. Of course, the time a hawk
> took a mallard and left the remains on my pergola was distressing.

We do not have mourning doves here in the window. That is unfortunate
because we keep the windows closed and would not be able to hear their
annoying moaning.
>
> I can tell Spring is on its way when I see a robin. For some reason,
> Turdus migratorius is the Michigan state bird, favored over other
> birds that stay here all year long. I think I saw one yesterday
> at the bird bath, although it was too far away to be certain.

I am surprised I have not seen robins here yet. It has been unseasonably
warm this year. When I was hanging out the laundry this morning I heard
a kingfisher. They are not normally winter birds here.

On 2016-02-07 6:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I could compost, but I don't. The couple of times I tried it, I
> ended up either with a wet, anaerobic pile or the best stand of
> weeds in the neighborhood. It's like a pet; you have to keep
> doing things for it and I just wasn't there for it.
>

I have two compost bins and do almost nothing to them. I just keep
throwing in the compost garbage and occasion ram a shovel into them to
stir things up. When I am doing my spring time hardening I open up the
door at the bottom and shovel out the composted material.

On 2/7/2016 9:00 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/7/2016 6:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Her homeowners' association probably forbids composting anyway.
>>
> That's true.
>
>> I could compost, but I don't. The couple of times I tried it, I
>> ended up either with a wet, anaerobic pile or the best stand of
>> weeds in the neighborhood. It's like a pet; you have to keep
>> doing things for it and I just wasn't there for it.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Even if it was allowed, there's no good place for a compost bin in my
> fairly small yard. And then what do you do with the composted stuff?
>
> I don't have a garden so if the answer is 'fertilizer', well, that's out
> of the question. I'd just wind up with a big pile of composted stuff
> and have to figure out a way to dispose of it.

Put it on the Dataw list. If you offer a bag of bread crusts with it
the compost will be gone in hours.

On 2016-02-07 9:24 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I love mourning doves. They make such a soothing, cooing sound.
>
> LOL! This a classic case of "too much of a good thing"
> Occasional outside wild doves = good.
> Inside pet doves = fail!
>
> I learned the hard way many years ago about the truth there.
> Young daughter growing up here had many small pets. I was fine with
> that until one day she came home with 2 doves from the pet store.
>
> "Oh dad, they're so cool. Listen to the nice cooing sounds they make"
> And I agreed...it was low volume and somewhat soothing.
> Trouble was they did that cooing sound 24/7 even all during the
> night. I put up with constant "cooing" for about 2 weeks.
> By then I was ready to kill them both.
> "SHUT UP, birds....SHUT THE HELL UP OR DIE!" LOL
>
> The constant really did get that annoying.
> I made her take them back to the pet store.
>


Yep. I agree. They sit in a tree next to our house and the constant
mournful cooing is annoying.

> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 16:42:41 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>>> She exactly said, "I have a bag of bread crusts if any one is in to
>>>> making their own bread crumbs."
>>>>
>>>> Sure... I'm gonna drive over and pick up a bag of old bread crusts.
>>>>
> getting a bag of bread crusts from a stranger to make crumbs has too
> much eeew factor for me.
> Janet US
>
Thank you! It just sounded weird, which is why I posted about it. It
was also food related. Oh, I corrected the subject which should have
said crusts, not crumbs.

Jill

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 08:05:48 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 9:26:01 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> >
>> > I love mourning doves. They make such a soothing, cooing sound.
>>
>> LOL! This a classic case of "too much of a good thing"
>> Occasional outside wild doves = good.
>> Inside pet doves = fail!
>>
>> I learned the hard way many years ago about the truth there.
>> Young daughter growing up here had many small pets. I was fine with
>> that until one day she came home with 2 doves from the pet store.
>>
>> "Oh dad, they're so cool. Listen to the nice cooing sounds they make"
>> And I agreed...it was low volume and somewhat soothing.
>> Trouble was they did that cooing sound 24/7 even all during the
>> night. I put up with constant "cooing" for about 2 weeks.
>> By then I was ready to kill them both.
>> "SHUT UP, birds....SHUT THE HELL UP OR DIE!" LOL
>>
>> The constant really did get that annoying.
>> I made her take them back to the pet store.
>
>I get fleets (or battalions) of grackles. They're monstrous
>for talking. When the young are turfed out of the nest, they'll
>hang around the bird feeder waiting for someone to feed them and
>calling for their mommies. It makes my husband wish he could
>discharge his shotgun in our yard.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

They will drive off just the birds you want, the only one who defies
them is the humming bird !

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 12:05:58 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 08:05:48 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 9:26:01 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I love mourning doves. They make such a soothing, cooing sound.
> >>
> >> LOL! This a classic case of "too much of a good thing"
> >> Occasional outside wild doves = good.
> >> Inside pet doves = fail!
> >>
> >> I learned the hard way many years ago about the truth there.
> >> Young daughter growing up here had many small pets. I was fine with
> >> that until one day she came home with 2 doves from the pet store.
> >>
> >> "Oh dad, they're so cool. Listen to the nice cooing sounds they make"
> >> And I agreed...it was low volume and somewhat soothing.
> >> Trouble was they did that cooing sound 24/7 even all during the
> >> night. I put up with constant "cooing" for about 2 weeks.
> >> By then I was ready to kill them both.
> >> "SHUT UP, birds....SHUT THE HELL UP OR DIE!" LOL
> >>
> >> The constant really did get that annoying.
> >> I made her take them back to the pet store.
> >
> >I get fleets (or battalions) of grackles. They're monstrous
> >for talking. When the young are turfed out of the nest, they'll
> >hang around the bird feeder waiting for someone to feed them and
> >calling for their mommies. It makes my husband wish he could
> >discharge his shotgun in our yard.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> They will drive off just the birds you want, the only one who defies
> them is the humming bird !

Red-wing blackbirds give them a run for their money. I see both
in the yard at the same time.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-02-07 11:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> I don't have a garden so if the answer is 'fertilizer', well, that's out
>> of the question. I'd just wind up with a big pile of composted stuff
>> and have to figure out a way to dispose of it.
>
> Put it on the Dataw list. If you offer a bag of bread crusts with it
> the compost will be gone in hours.
>


I have a way of getting rid of a lot of junk that saves me a trip to the
dump. I just set the stuff out near the road. It never ceases to amaze
me that someone will come along and take old appliances and ratty old
furniture. When I catch mice in traps I take them out and throw them
on the lawn away from the house. Something seems to like them because
they disappear.

On 07/02/2016 9:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/7/2016 9:00 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/7/2016 6:49 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> Her homeowners' association probably forbids composting anyway.
>>>
>> That's true.
>>
>>> I could compost, but I don't. The couple of times I tried it, I
>>> ended up either with a wet, anaerobic pile or the best stand of
>>> weeds in the neighborhood. It's like a pet; you have to keep
>>> doing things for it and I just wasn't there for it.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Even if it was allowed, there's no good place for a compost bin in my
>> fairly small yard. And then what do you do with the composted stuff?
>>
>> I don't have a garden so if the answer is 'fertilizer', well, that's out
>> of the question. I'd just wind up with a big pile of composted stuff
>> and have to figure out a way to dispose of it.
>
> Put it on the Dataw list. If you offer a bag of bread crusts with it
> the compost will be gone in hours.
>
We have wheelie bins for garbage and for re-cycling and will soon get a
third for organic waste that the City will compost.
Graham

On 2016-02-07 12:51 PM, graham wrote:

> We have wheelie bins for garbage and for re-cycling and will soon get a
> third for organic waste that the City will compost.


We have multiple bins already. Regular household trash goes into a
garbage bag. Newspapers, magazines, cardboard etc. go into the gray
bin. Glass, plastic, styrofoam and cans go into the blue bin. Meat, fat,
bones and other organic waste for into a green bin with a latched top
that is supposed to keep critters out.

I stayed at a friend's apartment in Germany back in 1993 and they had 5
different bins for garbage and recycling. One of them was for "wet
paper" like snotty tissues and feminine hygiene products.

On 2/7/2016 12:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-02-07 11:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>> I don't have a garden so if the answer is 'fertilizer', well, that's out
>>> of the question. I'd just wind up with a big pile of composted stuff
>>> and have to figure out a way to dispose of it.
>>
>> Put it on the Dataw list. If you offer a bag of bread crusts with it
>> the compost will be gone in hours.
>>

LOL, Ed.

> I have a way of getting rid of a lot of junk that saves me a trip to the
> dump. I just set the stuff out near the road. It never ceases to amaze
> me that someone will come along and take old appliances and ratty old
> furniture.

Yeah... Dave. I call it curb-cycling. I'm not allowed to do that here,
either. When I moved from TN to SC I set a lot of things out by the
curb and people showed up in droves to pick up old furniture, etc. It
would offend the sensibilities of anyone here to see that stuff sitting
outside.

> When I catch mice in traps I take them out and throw them
> on the lawn away from the house. Something seems to like them because
> they disappear.
>
Carrion eaters. I've never had a mouse in this house. I did find a
small dessicated anole lizard that Buffy the cat thought was a nifty
toy. I took it away from her and threw it away. I don't care that it
was the consistency of lizard jerky, sorry, girl, that is not a toy.
It's nasty.

Jill

On 2016-02-07 1:06 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>> I have a way of getting rid of a lot of junk that saves me a trip to the
>> dump. I just set the stuff out near the road. It never ceases to amaze
>> me that someone will come along and take old appliances and ratty old
>> furniture.
>
> Yeah... Dave. I call it curb-cycling. I'm not allowed to do that here,
> either.

Nor am I. There is a by-law against it. I have never had anything sit
out there long enough for any enforcement people to act on it.



> When I moved from TN to SC I set a lot of things out by the
> curb and people showed up in droves to pick up old furniture, etc. It
> would offend the sensibilities of anyone here to see that stuff sitting
> outside.

We are supposed to have our garbage out to the road after 7 am the day
it is to be picked up. Nuts to that. I set it out the night before. I
am not getting up before 7 am just to take out the trash.