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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:35:44 -0000 (UTC), Bruce >
wrote: >On 23/1/2016 11:18 Je�us wrote: > >> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:46:38 -0000 (UTC), Bruce > >> wrote: >> >>>On 23/1/2016 00:53 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:22:17 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>>>> On 21/1/2016 09:16 jmcquown wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote: >>>>> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown > >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer. >>>>> >>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the >>>>> >>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke. :) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Jill >>>>> >> >>>>> >> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with kitchenettes. >>>>> >> >>>>> > Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping". >>>>> >>>>> I can imagine driving around in my RV and suddenly I have this >>>>> realization: "Wait a minute! Is this Jill's idea of camping???" >>>>> >>>> It's a semantics thing. It seems silly to use the word, "camping," for >>>> sleeping in a trailer. >>> >>>Yes, you could say that camping has to be in a tent and has to involve >>>mosquito bites and communal toilets. >>> >>>You could also say that camping is when you bring your own place to >>>sleep with you, be it a tent, an RV or something in between. >> >> Who in Australia refers to using an 'RV' as an 'RV'? Nobody. And >> certainly not when using one... it comes under the umbrella of >> 'camping' > >I don't have one. I guess I just copied what the Americans call it here >:) Then there's the term 'grey nomads' in Australia, of course. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grey_nomad http://www.thegreynomads.com.au/ I guess my friends could be referred to in that way. Although they're not all that grey yet and might take issue with the term :) TBH, if I didn't own property, pets, etc. I'd probably live that way myself at this stage. |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:39:15 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 08:08:29 -0500, Gary > wrote: > >>notbob wrote: >>> >>> On 2016-01-21, Dave Smith > wrote: >>> >>> > I agree. If there is electricity it isn't camping. >>> >>> What nonsense. >>> >>> I'll bet not a single person in this group would set 3 ft outta their >>> house w/o their cellphone. >> >>You lose then, nb. When I go camping it's with no cellphone, not even >>a battery radio. I drive to some National Park, then hike in at least >>a few miles until I find a nice campsite near a stream. I set up a >>campsite, make it nice, then stay for 3-4 days with absolutely no >>electronics. Rather than hike long each day and set up a new >>campsite, I prefer to find a nice place to stay for a few days and do >>shorter day hikes. > >That's your idea of camping. For where we live, we can do that any day >of the week. We *live* in that environment. So your romantic and >narrow concept of what camping is sounds stupid to anyone in Tasmania, >if not much of the rest of Australia. > >In fact we had rainbow trout for breakfast from a nearby creek this >morning. > >> >>And also when you leave, you completely eliminate the campsite area. >>My Boy Scout days taught me all that. > >Wow, you must be some sort of extreme survivalist! <G> No, he's a camper. |
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On 2016-01-22 7:11 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 08:05:01 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe > > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 11:21:19 AM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote: >>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:12:00 -0700, Janet B > >>> wrote: >> ... >>> Yes, generators can be annoying... very annoying if used in the wrong >>> places. In some places though they can be fine, for example on sites >>> with plenty of bush which can mask the noise and fumes and you can run >>> a long lead to your camper... mind you, modern generators are very >>> quiet and not particularly fumey. Generators have their place, but not >>> just in any old place. >> >> Gasoline powered generators are always noisy, stinky and undesirable when camping. > > No, they don't have to be. > Who wants to go to a camp ground and listen to the sound of a generator, no matter how quiet it is .... for a generator? |
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> On 1/22/2016 10:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote: >> On 2016-01-21 9:01 PM, jmcquown wrote: >> >>>> You're still out in nature, surrounded by lethal animals, with no >>>> sanitary facilities and exposed to the elements. >>>> >>> The most lethal animal I encountered was a raccoon sniffing around the >>> tent in the middle of the night. :) >> >> >> I had a couple close encounters on a canoe trip. I had our food in a >> pack and tied to a rope strung over a branch so critters could not get >> at it. A racoon had managed to reach the bag and pull open the zipper >> and some of the food fell out for him. > > I was expecting you to tell a tale about bears! > > Raccoons have opposable thumbs. They're quite adept at breaking into > things. :) > >> One morning I stepped out of >> the tent just after sunrise and there was a big steaming pile of moose >> crap. >> > No moose where I've ever lived. No bears, either. Whew! > >>> He later explained these friends have solar panels and an >>> generator. If >>> they were using a bread machine they likely had a toilet and a comfy >>> bed, too. :) >> >> I gave up on camping years ago. I don't like sleeping on that hard >> ground anymore. >> > The last time I went camping was when I was in my 30's. I wouldn't do > it now. (We were having a very pleasant weekend until my friend's > boyfriend's redneck cousins showed up.) > > Really, I don't care what anyone calls it. I've never been camping > camping where there was electricity. Cooking over an open fire is > fun. I guess that's why so many people own grills, huh? <G> > > I don't care if someone uses a caravan/RV, a tent or sleeps on a > flimsy blanket on a boulder. Whatever makes you happy. :) It was > merely the mention of a bread machine on a camping trip that caused > this thread drift. > > Oh, and for Ophelia - I have yet to read anything "nasty" in these > posts. Her definition of nasty seems to be quite narrow. > > Jill > "The raccoon does not have opposable thumbs, and in fact, their front paws do not look human, or even primate. They are similar in shape to a weasel or ferret paw, but there is no webbing between the front toes at all, giving the digits the look of fingers." http://www.animalfactsencyclopedia.c...oon-facts.html |
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On 23/1/2016 11:57 Jeßus wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:35:44 -0000 (UTC), Bruce > > wrote: > >>On 23/1/2016 11:18 Je�us wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:46:38 -0000 (UTC), Bruce > >>> wrote: >>> >>>>On 23/1/2016 00:53 MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:22:17 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>>>>> On 21/1/2016 09:16 jmcquown wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> It's a semantics thing. It seems silly to use the word, "camping," for >>>>> sleeping in a trailer. >>>> >>>>Yes, you could say that camping has to be in a tent and has to involve >>>>mosquito bites and communal toilets. >>>> >>>>You could also say that camping is when you bring your own place to >>>>sleep with you, be it a tent, an RV or something in between. >>> >>> Who in Australia refers to using an 'RV' as an 'RV'? Nobody. And >>> certainly not when using one... it comes under the umbrella of >>> 'camping' >> >>I don't have one. I guess I just copied what the Americans call it here >>:) > > Then there's the term 'grey nomads' in Australia, of course. > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grey_nomad > > http://www.thegreynomads.com.au/ > > I guess my friends could be referred to in that way. Although they're > not all that grey yet and might take issue with the term :) I guess "Adventure Before Dementia" doesn't apply then. > TBH, if I didn't own property, pets, etc. I'd probably live that way > myself at this stage. We're thinking about it too for the far future. I'd like to see more of Australia. -- Bruce |
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"Bruce" > wrote in message ... > On 23/1/2016 00:52 wrote: > >> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:20:58 -0000, "Ophelia" > >> wrote: >> >>> >>> > wrote in message ... >>>> On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 23:17:06 -0800, "Cheri" > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>We met many interesting people too, and not being stuck outside with >>>>>the >>>>>roaming kids and drunks was an added plus. >>>>> >>>>>Cheri >>>> >>>> How judgemental, did I say we were drunk? AFAIK drunks stayed home, >>>> went to bars and let their kids stay on their own. >>> >>>??? Where did she say YOU were drunk??? >> >> Look at her response to my post, sure looks like she figured because >> we enjoyed the social side of camping with the kids somehow enjoying a >> drink became drunks and kids having a great time with kids they had >> never met before, that became 'roaming' kids. > > Lol, that was not necessarily in reference to you. By the way, if > you _were_ drunk, we won't tell anyone. > > -- > Bruce Of course it wasn't, she was the person that said it, not me, and I wasn't referring to *her* at all. Must be looking for an argument, gee there's a surprise in this newsgroup. LOL Cheri |
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"cibola de oro" > wrote in message ... > MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote: >> It seems silly to use the word, "camping," for >> sleeping in a trailer. > > But enough about your life as a lumper. Yeah, about as silly as using the word *working* when he's constantly on the computer, instead of sweeping. Cheri |
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> wrote in message ... > > I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' Well, Hell, that makes it official!!! Cheri |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message ... > > > "MisterDiddyWahDiddy" > wrote in message > ... >> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:22:17 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> On 21/1/2016 09:16 jmcquown wrote: >>> >>> > On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote: >>> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown > >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> On 1/20/2016 11:56 AM, Je?us wrote: >>> >>> >>>> It can involve fires of course, did I use the wrong term? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> My friends 'camp' down the coast from here about six months of each >>> >>>> year. They are certainly *not* roughing it though. A full size >>> >>>> caravan >>> >>>> (or trailer) with annexe which has a decent kitchen, solar >>> >>>> power/generator, even growing some vegetables on site. Internet >>> >>>> access, not one but two boats, a trailer for firewood and water, >>> >>>> two >>> >>>> 4x4's too :) I have my camper trailer set up down there next to >>> >>>> their >>> >>>> setup and come and go when I can. >>> >>>> >>> >>> (snippage) >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a caravan/trailer. >>> >>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the >>> >>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke. :) >>> >>> >>> >>> Jill >>> >> >>> >> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with >>> >> kitchenettes. >>> >> >>> > Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping". >>> >>> I can imagine driving around in my RV and suddenly I have this >>> realization: "Wait a minute! Is this Jill's idea of camping???" >>> >> It's a semantics thing. It seems silly to use the word, "camping," for >> sleeping in a trailer. >>> > > To be honest I think this is all stupid! Why do the *rough* campers take > so much exception to others who prefer to do it in comfort??? > > Are they having to pay for it? Does it stop them doing things the way > THEY > prefer??? NO! So why the hell should we have to put up with nasty remarks > because we prefer to do things they way WE prefer!!! > > I don't give a rat's arse what anyone's 'idea of camping' is. Freeze > your > ass off for all I care, we will continue to be warm and comfortable and > yes, > I will continue to call it CAMPING:)) Because nothing can be said in this newsgroup that some aren't just itching to start an argument about, have you ever really seen even one subject that didn't deteriorate into a *my way is the only way* within a few posts? It is to laugh! Cheri Cheri |
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On 23/1/2016 14:53 Cheri wrote:
> > > wrote in message > ... >> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:12:57 -0500, jmcquown > >> wrote: >> >>>On 1/22/2016 7:04 AM, wrote: >>>> On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 23:17:06 -0800, "Cheri" > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>>> Not being stuck in an RV we met many interesting people and usually >>>>>> after supper there would be quite a gathering of kids and parents. >>>>>> Terrible of course, parents drinking, kids roaming round, OMG it's >>>>>> amazing how strangers didn't grab them! >>>>> >>>>> We met many interesting people too, and not being stuck outside with >>>>> the >>>>> roaming kids and drunks was an added plus. >>>>> >>>>> Cheri >>>> >>>> >>>> How judgemental, did I say we were drunk? AFAIK drunks stayed home, >>>> went to bars and let their kids stay on their own. >>>> >>>lucretia, you're the one who wrote "parents drinking, kids roaming >>>round". Cheri was responding to that. She did not say *you* were drunk. >>> >>>Jill > > No, I most surely did not say anything of the kind, she did, and I never > took it that it was her at all. What Lucretia did is spontaneous denial. If I walk into a police office, out of the blue, and tell an officer that I did not kill my neighbour, they'll arrest me. -- Bruce |
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"Bruce" > wrote in message ... > On 23/1/2016 10:08 cshenk wrote: > >> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking: >> >>> On 20/1/2016 12:50 cshenk wrote: >>> >>> > I do it in dough mode most of the time and form to small buns or >>> > loaves. >>> > >>> > Besides, the hole is not a problem. Thats where you'd center slice >>> > the bread anyways. >>> >>> You must have a BBM that makes horizontal loaves. I used to have a >>> vertical one, and the hole would go up one quarter of the (small) loaf >>> or so. >> >> No, it makes verticle loaves. The slices are large so one gets folded >> in half to mak a sandwich. THe whole isnt a problem since it's where >> you fold it. You will find a 1.5-2lb loaf set works better. >> >> Best yet, dough mode and make little buns or loaves. > > Yes, that sounds very good. As I already said, I routinely make rolls. I always make a starter overnight and add the rest of the ingredients next day. The machine mixes and kneads the dough and then I take it out and bake it as rolls. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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> wrote in message ... > On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:30:00 +1100, Jeßus > wrote: > >>On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:43:12 -0500, Gary > wrote: >> >>>Mark Storkamp wrote: >>>> >>>> Pick a destination, drive 'till I'm tired, find a motel, go out to a >>>> restaurant, sleep in a comfortable bed, shower in a real shower. That's >>>> my kind of camping. Did the Boy Scout sleeping on rocks and twigs thing >>>> when I was a kid. Motels are cheaper than motor homes. At least they >>>> are >>>> before retirement. >>> >>>RV's and motels are fine if that's what you want. Just don't call that >>>camping you bunch of spoiled babies. To call it camping is the >>>silliest thing I've ever heard of. >> >>That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of the >>world refers to it as camping. > > I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' You mean 'your' idea of camping? I doubt you and Gary are the world experts on the term. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > > wrote in message > ... >> >> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' > > Well, Hell, that makes it official!!! Of course!!!! .... they think <g> -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Ophelia" > wrote in message > ... >> >> >> "MisterDiddyWahDiddy" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 4:22:17 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>>> On 21/1/2016 09:16 jmcquown wrote: >>>> >>>> > On 1/20/2016 1:23 PM, sf wrote: >>>> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:06:40 -0500, jmcquown > >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> On 1/20/2016 11:56 AM, Je?us wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> It can involve fires of course, did I use the wrong term? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My friends 'camp' down the coast from here about six months of >>>> >>>> each >>>> >>>> year. They are certainly *not* roughing it though. A full size >>>> >>>> caravan >>>> >>>> (or trailer) with annexe which has a decent kitchen, solar >>>> >>>> power/generator, even growing some vegetables on site. Internet >>>> >>>> access, not one but two boats, a trailer for firewood and water, >>>> >>>> two >>>> >>>> 4x4's too :) I have my camper trailer set up down there next to >>>> >>>> their >>>> >>>> setup and come and go when I can. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> (snippage) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Yes, that's the difference in terms. You were in a >>>> >>> caravan/trailer. >>>> >>> With all those bells and whistles. Not pitching a tent in the >>>> >>> wilderness and gathering wood for a fire. Okey doke. :) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Jill >>>> >> >>>> >> RVs (recreational vehicles) are just rolling motels with >>>> >> kitchenettes. >>>> >> >>>> > Pretty much! It's not my idea of "camping". >>>> >>>> I can imagine driving around in my RV and suddenly I have this >>>> realization: "Wait a minute! Is this Jill's idea of camping???" >>>> >>> It's a semantics thing. It seems silly to use the word, "camping," for >>> sleeping in a trailer. >>>> >> >> To be honest I think this is all stupid! Why do the *rough* campers >> take >> so much exception to others who prefer to do it in comfort??? >> >> Are they having to pay for it? Does it stop them doing things the way >> THEY >> prefer??? NO! So why the hell should we have to put up with nasty remarks >> because we prefer to do things they way WE prefer!!! >> >> I don't give a rat's arse what anyone's 'idea of camping' is. Freeze >> your >> ass off for all I care, we will continue to be warm and comfortable and >> yes, >> I will continue to call it CAMPING:)) > > Because nothing can be said in this newsgroup that some aren't just > itching to start an argument about, have you ever really seen even one > subject that didn't deteriorate into a *my way is the only way* within a > few posts? It is to laugh! Exactly:))) Pity they have nothing more important to argue about ... although as you say, anything will do :) -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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"Bruce" > wrote in message ... > On 23/1/2016 14:53 Cheri wrote: > >> >> > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:12:57 -0500, jmcquown > >>> wrote: >>> >>>>On 1/22/2016 7:04 AM, wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 23:17:06 -0800, "Cheri" > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > wrote in message >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>>> Not being stuck in an RV we met many interesting people and usually >>>>>>> after supper there would be quite a gathering of kids and parents. >>>>>>> Terrible of course, parents drinking, kids roaming round, OMG it's >>>>>>> amazing how strangers didn't grab them! >>>>>> >>>>>> We met many interesting people too, and not being stuck outside with >>>>>> the >>>>>> roaming kids and drunks was an added plus. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How judgemental, did I say we were drunk? AFAIK drunks stayed home, >>>>> went to bars and let their kids stay on their own. >>>>> >>>>lucretia, you're the one who wrote "parents drinking, kids roaming >>>>round". Cheri was responding to that. She did not say *you* were >>>>drunk. >>>> >>>>Jill >> >> No, I most surely did not say anything of the kind, she did, and I never >> took it that it was her at all. > > What Lucretia did is spontaneous denial. If I walk into a police office, > out of the blue, and tell an officer that I did not kill my neighbour, > they'll arrest me. lol -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On 23/1/2016 19:37 Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Bruce" > wrote in message > ... >> On 23/1/2016 10:08 cshenk wrote: >> >>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking: >>> >>>> On 20/1/2016 12:50 cshenk wrote: >>>> >>>> > I do it in dough mode most of the time and form to small buns or >>>> > loaves. >>>> > >>>> > Besides, the hole is not a problem. Thats where you'd center slice >>>> > the bread anyways. >>>> >>>> You must have a BBM that makes horizontal loaves. I used to have a >>>> vertical one, and the hole would go up one quarter of the (small) loaf >>>> or so. >>> >>> No, it makes verticle loaves. The slices are large so one gets folded >>> in half to mak a sandwich. THe whole isnt a problem since it's where >>> you fold it. You will find a 1.5-2lb loaf set works better. >>> >>> Best yet, dough mode and make little buns or loaves. >> >> Yes, that sounds very good. > > As I already said, I routinely make rolls. I always make a starter > overnight and add the rest of the ingredients next day. The machine mixes > and kneads the dough and then I take it out and bake it as rolls. Yes, I'll have to smuggle a bbm into the house. -- Bruce |
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"Bruce" > wrote in message ... > On 23/1/2016 19:37 Ophelia wrote: > >> >> >> "Bruce" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 23/1/2016 10:08 cshenk wrote: >>> >>>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking: >>>> >>>>> On 20/1/2016 12:50 cshenk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > I do it in dough mode most of the time and form to small buns or >>>>> > loaves. >>>>> > >>>>> > Besides, the hole is not a problem. Thats where you'd center slice >>>>> > the bread anyways. >>>>> >>>>> You must have a BBM that makes horizontal loaves. I used to have a >>>>> vertical one, and the hole would go up one quarter of the (small) loaf >>>>> or so. >>>> >>>> No, it makes verticle loaves. The slices are large so one gets folded >>>> in half to mak a sandwich. THe whole isnt a problem since it's where >>>> you fold it. You will find a 1.5-2lb loaf set works better. >>>> >>>> Best yet, dough mode and make little buns or loaves. >>> >>> Yes, that sounds very good. >> >> As I already said, I routinely make rolls. I always make a starter >> overnight and add the rest of the ingredients next day. The machine >> mixes >> and kneads the dough and then I take it out and bake it as rolls. > > Yes, I'll have to smuggle a bbm into the house. Why smuggle??? Will your wife not allow you to have one?? ;p -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:59:26 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote: >On 2016-01-22 7:57 PM, wrote: > >>> That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of the >>> world refers to it as camping. >> >> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' >> > > >People around here tend to differentiate between camping, trailering and >RVing. Correct - I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents lol |
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> wrote in message ... > On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:59:26 -0500, Dave Smith > > wrote: > >>On 2016-01-22 7:57 PM, wrote: >> >>>> That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of the >>>> world refers to it as camping. >>> >>> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' >>> >> >> >>People around here tend to differentiate between camping, trailering and >>RVing. > > Correct - I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas > consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents > lol Correct! We don't!!! We outgrew tents many years ago and sane older people prefer to stay warm, safe and comfortable, but do come back to us after your next tenting trip and tell us all about it. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On 23/01/2016 10:42 PM, wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:59:26 -0500, Dave Smith > > wrote: > >> On 2016-01-22 7:57 PM, wrote: >> >>>> That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of the >>>> world refers to it as camping. >>> >>> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' >>> >> >> >> People around here tend to differentiate between camping, trailering and >> RVing. > > Correct - I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas > consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents > lol > A friend of mine does both camping (with tent) and caravanning (with caravan). He has a rather rugged 4WD to haul his caravan so it could be said he is a 'bush basher' as well. He spends 6 months a year away from home, usually with his friends on organised 4WD tours all over Australia and on 3 month stints at a time. If he is just doing a general tour, he will take his caravan. On the other hand, if he intends to go bush, the caravan becomes a hindrance so he takes a tent. Sometimes he combines both and parks the caravan at a caravan park central to the area in which he wishes to range and uses his tent for camping in the depths of the bush. Ergo, he does differentiate between 'camping' and 'caravanning'. If he has only his tent, he's camping. If he is overnighting in his caravan, he's NOT camping as he has all the acoutrements of home, he's caravanning. I see it the same way. If you're in a tent, you're camping. If you're in a caravan, you're not camping. Both he and his wife, both in their 70s, do this kind of trekking. -- Xeno |
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"Xeno" > wrote in message ... > On 23/01/2016 10:42 PM, wrote: >> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:59:26 -0500, Dave Smith >> > wrote: >> >>> On 2016-01-22 7:57 PM, wrote: >>> >>>>> That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of the >>>>> world refers to it as camping. >>>> >>>> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' >>>> >>> >>> >>> People around here tend to differentiate between camping, trailering and >>> RVing. >> >> Correct - I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas >> consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents >> lol >> > A friend of mine does both camping (with tent) and caravanning (with > caravan). He has a rather rugged 4WD to haul his caravan so it could be > said he is a 'bush basher' as well. He spends 6 months a year away from > home, usually with his friends on organised 4WD tours all over Australia > and on 3 month stints at a time. > If he is just doing a general tour, he will take his caravan. On the other > hand, if he intends to go bush, the caravan becomes a hindrance so he > takes a tent. Sometimes he combines both and parks the caravan at a > caravan park central to the area in which he wishes to range and uses his > tent for camping in the depths of the bush. > Ergo, he does differentiate between 'camping' and 'caravanning'. If he has > only his tent, he's camping. If he is overnighting in his caravan, he's > NOT camping as he has all the acoutrements of home, he's caravanning. > I see it the same way. If you're in a tent, you're camping. > If you're in a caravan, you're not camping. > > Both he and his wife, both in their 70s, do this kind of trekking. Good:) We lived for several years in our caravan (yes pulled by a 4X4 too <g>) when D was travelling doing consultancy work and I retired a bit early to travel with him. I am happy with what your friend calls each activity, and everyone should be able to call them whatever they wish without censu)) -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:02:31 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote: > > > wrote in message .. . >> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:59:26 -0500, Dave Smith >> > wrote: >> >>>On 2016-01-22 7:57 PM, wrote: >>> >>>>> That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of the >>>>> world refers to it as camping. >>>> >>>> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' >>>> >>> >>> >>>People around here tend to differentiate between camping, trailering and >>>RVing. >> >> Correct - I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas >> consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents >> lol > >Correct! We don't!!! We outgrew tents many years ago and sane older >people prefer to stay warm, safe and comfortable, but do come back to us >after your next tenting trip and tell us all about it. I already said, no more for me at my age, we truly camped, no rv's or that sort of thing, done for the benefit of our kids but much enjoyed by ourselves ---at the time --- The last time I crossed the continent to Vancouver and back through the USA, about five years ago, my friend and I stayed in motels and it never entered our heads to say 'we camped' across. It was great, we took about five weeks doing it but I can't say I would even want to do that anymore. |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 23:36:24 +1100, Xeno >
wrote: >On 23/01/2016 10:42 PM, wrote: >> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:59:26 -0500, Dave Smith >> > wrote: >> >>> On 2016-01-22 7:57 PM, wrote: >>> >>>>> That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of the >>>>> world refers to it as camping. >>>> >>>> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' >>>> >>> >>> >>> People around here tend to differentiate between camping, trailering and >>> RVing. >> >> Correct - I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas >> consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents >> lol >> >A friend of mine does both camping (with tent) and caravanning (with >caravan). He has a rather rugged 4WD to haul his caravan so it could be >said he is a 'bush basher' as well. He spends 6 months a year away from >home, usually with his friends on organised 4WD tours all over Australia >and on 3 month stints at a time. >If he is just doing a general tour, he will take his caravan. On the >other hand, if he intends to go bush, the caravan becomes a hindrance so >he takes a tent. Sometimes he combines both and parks the caravan at a >caravan park central to the area in which he wishes to range and uses >his tent for camping in the depths of the bush. >Ergo, he does differentiate between 'camping' and 'caravanning'. If he >has only his tent, he's camping. If he is overnighting in his caravan, >he's NOT camping as he has all the acoutrements of home, he's caravanning. >I see it the same way. If you're in a tent, you're camping. >If you're in a caravan, you're not camping. > >Both he and his wife, both in their 70s, do this kind of trekking. Wow good on them! |
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> wrote in message ... > On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:02:31 -0000, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >> >> > wrote in message . .. >>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:59:26 -0500, Dave Smith >>> > wrote: >>> >>>>On 2016-01-22 7:57 PM, wrote: >>>> >>>>>> That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of >>>>>> the >>>>>> world refers to it as camping. >>>>> >>>>> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>People around here tend to differentiate between camping, trailering and >>>>RVing. >>> >>> Correct - I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas >>> consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents >>> lol >> >>Correct! We don't!!! We outgrew tents many years ago and sane older >>people prefer to stay warm, safe and comfortable, but do come back to us >>after your next tenting trip and tell us all about it. > > I already said, no more for me at my age, we truly camped, no rv's or > that sort of thing, done for the benefit of our kids but much enjoyed > by ourselves ---at the time --- > > The last time I crossed the continent to Vancouver and back through > the USA, about five years ago, my friend and I stayed in motels and it > never entered our heads to say 'we camped' across. It was great, we > took about five weeks doing it but I can't say I would even want to do > that anymore. I wouldn't say using motels was camping given the motel doesn't move with you either but I couldn't care less if someone does want to call it that. Perhaps I have more to think about! -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> I only have to outrun the person I am camping with. For what, the coffee pot in the chicken coop? |
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Je�us wrote:
>> It seems silly to use the word, "camping," for >> >sleeping in a trailer. > That's what it's called in Australia. Asstrailer? LOL. Eat some turds, rabbit-killer. |
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> wrote in message ... > On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:59:26 -0500, Dave Smith > > wrote: > >>On 2016-01-22 7:57 PM, wrote: >> >>>> That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of the >>>> world refers to it as camping. >>> >>> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' >>> >> >> >>People around here tend to differentiate between camping, trailering and >>RVing. > > Correct - I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas > consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents > lol Wow, how judgmental! Cheri |
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Cheri wrote:
> > "cibola de oro" > wrote in message > ... >> MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote: >>> It seems silly to use the word, "camping," for >>> sleeping in a trailer. >> >> But enough about your life as a lumper. > > Yeah, about as silly as using the word *working* when he's constantly on > the computer, instead of sweeping. > > Cheri +1! |
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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 08:31:26 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote: > > wrote in message .. . >> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:59:26 -0500, Dave Smith >> > wrote: >> >>>On 2016-01-22 7:57 PM, wrote: >>> >>>>> That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of the >>>>> world refers to it as camping. >>>> >>>> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' >>>> >>> >>> >>>People around here tend to differentiate between camping, trailering and >>>RVing. >> >> Correct - I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas >> consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents >> lol > >Wow, how judgmental! > >Cheri Yeppers, seeing that rvers seem so defensive. |
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> wrote in message ... > On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 08:31:26 -0800, "Cheri" > > wrote: > >> > wrote in message . .. >>> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:59:26 -0500, Dave Smith >>> > wrote: >>> >>>>On 2016-01-22 7:57 PM, wrote: >>>> >>>>>> That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of >>>>>> the >>>>>> world refers to it as camping. >>>>> >>>>> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>People around here tend to differentiate between camping, trailering and >>>>RVing. >>> >>> Correct - I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas >>> consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents >>> lol >> >>Wow, how judgmental! >> >>Cheri > > Yeppers, seeing that rvers seem so defensive. It was the tenters objecting to the RVers calling it camping, not vice versa! Read back! -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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Ophelia wrote:
> > > wrote:I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas > > consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents > > lol > > Correct! We don't!!! OMG, lol OPHY! We obviously hit a nerve with you by calling your wimpy rv outing not camping. You just won't let it go, will you? >We outgrew tents many years ago and sane older > people prefer to stay warm, safe and comfortable, What a silly response. You outgrew tents... You turned old and soft is all. > but do come back to us > after your next tenting trip and tell us all about it. I'll do that anytime you want. I'll tell how hiking into the back country is so much more fun and scenic than staying in a "campground" with electricity, etc. I actually don't put you down for the level "of camping" that you prefer. Each to their own but you are taking this way to far and being defensive. For that, I'm laughing at you and will tend to pick on you. hehheheh You like "wuss" camping, that's fine with me. ;) |
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Xeno wrote:
> > On 23/01/2016 10:42 PM, wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:59:26 -0500, Dave Smith > > > wrote: > > > >> On 2016-01-22 7:57 PM, wrote: > >> > >>>> That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of the > >>>> world refers to it as camping. > >>> > >>> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' > >>> > >> > >> > >> People around here tend to differentiate between camping, trailering and > >> RVing. > > > > Correct - I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas > > consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents > > lol > > > A friend of mine does both camping (with tent) and caravanning (with > caravan). He has a rather rugged 4WD to haul his caravan so it could be > said he is a 'bush basher' as well. He spends 6 months a year away from > home, usually with his friends on organised 4WD tours all over Australia > and on 3 month stints at a time. > If he is just doing a general tour, he will take his caravan. On the > other hand, if he intends to go bush, the caravan becomes a hindrance so > he takes a tent. Sometimes he combines both and parks the caravan at a > caravan park central to the area in which he wishes to range and uses > his tent for camping in the depths of the bush. > Ergo, he does differentiate between 'camping' and 'caravanning'. If he > has only his tent, he's camping. If he is overnighting in his caravan, > he's NOT camping as he has all the acoutrements of home, he's caravanning. > I see it the same way. If you're in a tent, you're camping. > If you're in a caravan, you're not camping. > > Both he and his wife, both in their 70s, do this kind of trekking. Well said and explained. There are many different kinds of "camping." I can't believe this thread has turned into such an argument. Jebus originally said his friends camp out and talked about having fresh bread from a bread machine each morning. on and on...then he finally admits that they "camp out" in a trailer full time...12 months a year. Australia might call that camping but not here in Julie's area. That's called homeless, or squatters, or gypsies. And yes, living like that full time, I wouldn't want a tent and campfire. All the arguments here have been based on different definitions of "camping." Do a Google search for camping and they list many different kinds of camping. |
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"Gary" > wrote in message ... > Ophelia wrote: >> >> > wrote:I would have thought the RVers with their >> expensive gas >> > consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents >> > lol >> >> Correct! We don't!!! > > OMG, lol OPHY! We obviously hit a nerve with you by calling your wimpy > rv outing not camping. You just won't let it go, will you? NO! Why should I be dictated to? In actual fact I don't have an RV as you well know! It would seem the RV'ers hit a nerve by saying they camping. Why on earth would you care??? > >>We outgrew tents many years ago and sane older >> people prefer to stay warm, safe and comfortable, > > What a silly response. You outgrew tents... You turned old and soft is > all. I did indeed! >> but do come back to us >> after your next tenting trip and tell us all about it. > > I'll do that anytime you want. I'll tell how hiking into the back > country is so much more fun and scenic than staying in a "campground" > with electricity, etc. More fun to you??? I am shocked that you dictate how everyone should think the same as you!!! > I actually don't put you down for the level "of camping" that you > prefer. Each to their own "Each to their own" A pity you didn't think of that before you started arguing. but you are taking this way to far and being > defensive. For that, I'm laughing at you and will tend to pick on you. > hehheheh Have you looked at yourself??? You are saying *I* am being defensive ???? LOLOL > You like "wuss" camping, that's fine with me. ;) Really? When I care what you think about it I will let you know! -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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"Gary" > wrote in message ... > Xeno wrote: >> >> On 23/01/2016 10:42 PM, wrote: >> > On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:59:26 -0500, Dave Smith >> > > wrote: >> > >> >> On 2016-01-22 7:57 PM, wrote: >> >> >> >>>> That's because you're inherently ignorant and insular. The rest of >> >>>> the >> >>>> world refers to it as camping. >> >>> >> >>> I am with Gary, it is faaar removed from 'camping' >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> People around here tend to differentiate between camping, trailering >> >> and >> >> RVing. >> > >> > Correct - I would have thought the RVers with their expensive gas >> > consuming vehicles would NOT want to be included with people in tents >> > lol >> > >> A friend of mine does both camping (with tent) and caravanning (with >> caravan). He has a rather rugged 4WD to haul his caravan so it could be >> said he is a 'bush basher' as well. He spends 6 months a year away from >> home, usually with his friends on organised 4WD tours all over Australia >> and on 3 month stints at a time. >> If he is just doing a general tour, he will take his caravan. On the >> other hand, if he intends to go bush, the caravan becomes a hindrance so >> he takes a tent. Sometimes he combines both and parks the caravan at a >> caravan park central to the area in which he wishes to range and uses >> his tent for camping in the depths of the bush. >> Ergo, he does differentiate between 'camping' and 'caravanning'. If he >> has only his tent, he's camping. If he is overnighting in his caravan, >> he's NOT camping as he has all the acoutrements of home, he's >> caravanning. >> I see it the same way. If you're in a tent, you're camping. >> If you're in a caravan, you're not camping. >> >> Both he and his wife, both in their 70s, do this kind of trekking. > > Well said and explained. There are many different kinds of "camping." > I can't believe this thread has turned into such an argument. > > Jebus originally said his friends camp out and talked about having > fresh bread from a bread machine each morning. on and on...then he > finally admits that they "camp out" in a trailer full time...12 months > a year. > > Australia might call that camping but not here in Julie's area. > That's called homeless, or squatters, or gypsies. And yes, living > like that full time, I wouldn't want a tent and campfire. > > All the arguments here have been based on different definitions of > "camping." Do a Google search for camping and they list many different > kinds of camping. What a pity you didn't say this some time ago. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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On 23/1/2016 22:02 Ophelia wrote:
> > > "Bruce" > wrote in message > ... >> On 23/1/2016 19:37 Ophelia wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> "Bruce" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On 23/1/2016 10:08 cshenk wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking: >>>>> >>>>>> On 20/1/2016 12:50 cshenk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > I do it in dough mode most of the time and form to small buns or >>>>>> > loaves. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Besides, the hole is not a problem. Thats where you'd center slice >>>>>> > the bread anyways. >>>>>> >>>>>> You must have a BBM that makes horizontal loaves. I used to have a >>>>>> vertical one, and the hole would go up one quarter of the (small) loaf >>>>>> or so. >>>>> >>>>> No, it makes verticle loaves. The slices are large so one gets folded >>>>> in half to mak a sandwich. THe whole isnt a problem since it's where >>>>> you fold it. You will find a 1.5-2lb loaf set works better. >>>>> >>>>> Best yet, dough mode and make little buns or loaves. >>>> >>>> Yes, that sounds very good. >>> >>> As I already said, I routinely make rolls. I always make a starter >>> overnight and add the rest of the ingredients next day. The machine >>> mixes >>> and kneads the dough and then I take it out and bake it as rolls. >> >> Yes, I'll have to smuggle a bbm into the house. > > Why smuggle??? Will your wife not allow you to have one?? ;p "No, not another machine." :) -- Bruce |
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On 24/1/2016 04:30 Gary wrote:
> Xeno wrote: >> >> A friend of mine does both camping (with tent) and caravanning (with >> caravan). He has a rather rugged 4WD to haul his caravan so it could be >> said he is a 'bush basher' as well. He spends 6 months a year away from >> home, usually with his friends on organised 4WD tours all over Australia >> and on 3 month stints at a time. >> If he is just doing a general tour, he will take his caravan. On the >> other hand, if he intends to go bush, the caravan becomes a hindrance so >> he takes a tent. Sometimes he combines both and parks the caravan at a >> caravan park central to the area in which he wishes to range and uses >> his tent for camping in the depths of the bush. >> Ergo, he does differentiate between 'camping' and 'caravanning'. If he >> has only his tent, he's camping. If he is overnighting in his caravan, >> he's NOT camping as he has all the acoutrements of home, he's caravanning. >> I see it the same way. If you're in a tent, you're camping. >> If you're in a caravan, you're not camping. >> >> Both he and his wife, both in their 70s, do this kind of trekking. > > Well said and explained. There are many different kinds of "camping." > I can't believe this thread has turned into such an argument. > > Jebus originally said his friends camp out and talked about having > fresh bread from a bread machine each morning. on and on...then he > finally admits that they "camp out" in a trailer full time...12 months > a year. > > Australia might call that camping but not here in Julie's area. > That's called homeless, or squatters, or gypsies. And yes, living > like that full time, I wouldn't want a tent and campfire. Don't you have retired people who sell their homes, buy an RV and start travelling, either or not with an "Adventure Before Dementia" sign on the back of the RV? -- Bruce |
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"Bruce" > wrote in message >>> Yes, I'll have to smuggle a bbm into the house. >> >> Why smuggle??? Will your wife not allow you to have one?? ;p > > "No, not another machine." :) lol like that, eh?? If you smuggle it in and make nice bread for her ... she might forgive you, hmmm??? -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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