"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
> after
> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> even
> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> since
> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
> with
> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
> I'll
> make it.

Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
PAY!

John Kuthe...


At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
you are stable and can take care of yourself.



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"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>> after
>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>> even
>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>> since
>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>> with
>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice
>> chips
>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>> I'll
>> make it.
>
> Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
> out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE
> will PAY!
>
> John Kuthe...
>
>
> At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
> and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
> nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they
> think you are stable and can take care of yourself.

There was no way I could have come home that first night. I was so very
sick and disoriented.

On 2016-01-15 5:03 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:

> At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
> and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
> nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
> you are stable and can take care of yourself.
>

The cost for a bed in a hospital here is about $1000 per night, a little
more for private or semi private.

Most surgical procedures these days are much less invasive than they
used to be so there is less need for post-operative care and
hospitalization. A lot of it is done laparoscopy and as day surgery.
When my father had his gall bladder removed in the early 1960s he had an
incision that was more than a foot long and had a drain tube and was in
the hospital for two weeks. We were not allowed to see him for the first
week. When my wife had her gall bladder removed a few years ago she was
there for 7 am and I picked her up and brought her home at 1:30. I was
not quite that lucky. My gall stone was huge and the gall bladder in bad
shape and I was kept in for three days post-op. Even heart surgery, as
invasive as it is, usually sees patients realized after just a few days.

Who even wants to be in a hospital for any amount of time? Those places
are full of sick people and their germs. One of the reasons I waited so
long to go to the hospital with my gall bladder problem was that I was
feeling pretty sick. I didn't want to to the the ER in tat condition and
to be exposed to all those sick people. There are a number of super
bugs that linger in hospitals. I went through a C-dificile scare after
my gall bladder surgery.

In article >,
says...
>

> Who even wants to be in a hospital for any amount of time?

When I had my children, usual practice in NHS hospitals was for mother
and child to stay in hospital for 10 days after the birth; it was called
"lying in". All we had to do was rest and recover in bed, feeding and
doting on our newborns; it was bliss. Midwives were there to help and
reassure first timers with everything, including all night.

These days even first time mothers normally take the baby home within
24 hours of delivery. IMHO they are really missing out on the rest, care
and support we enjoyed.

Janet UK

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 11:01:53 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
>
> > Who even wants to be in a hospital for any amount of time?
>
> When I had my children, usual practice in NHS hospitals was for mother
> and child to stay in hospital for 10 days after the birth; it was called
> "lying in". All we had to do was rest and recover in bed, feeding and
> doting on our newborns; it was bliss. Midwives were there to help and
> reassure first timers with everything, including all night.
>
> These days even first time mothers normally take the baby home within
> 24 hours of delivery. IMHO they are really missing out on the rest, care
> and support we enjoyed.
>
> Janet UK

Where's the "Like" button??!! :-)

John Kuthe...

"Janet" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>
>> Who even wants to be in a hospital for any amount of time?
>
> When I had my children, usual practice in NHS hospitals was for mother
> and child to stay in hospital for 10 days after the birth; it was called
> "lying in". All we had to do was rest and recover in bed, feeding and
> doting on our newborns; it was bliss. Midwives were there to help and
> reassure first timers with everything, including all night.
>
> These days even first time mothers normally take the baby home within
> 24 hours of delivery. IMHO they are really missing out on the rest, care
> and support we enjoyed.
>
> Janet UK

I got no rest at all. Because I had complications, I was there for two days
but then she developed jaundice so she had to go into the pediatric wing
which was under remodel. So not only was it noisy, but freezing! I had no
bed to sleep on. Just a chair with a part that pulled out and it was most
uncomfortable. Husband and I were both there and we took turns attempting
to sleep, which as you can imagine, didn't go well.

On 16/01/2016 10:01 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>
>> Who even wants to be in a hospital for any amount of time?
>
> When I had my children, usual practice in NHS hospitals was for mother
> and child to stay in hospital for 10 days after the birth; it was called
> "lying in". All we had to do was rest and recover in bed, feeding and
> doting on our newborns; it was bliss. Midwives were there to help and
> reassure first timers with everything, including all night.
>
> These days even first time mothers normally take the baby home within
> 24 hours of delivery. IMHO they are really missing out on the rest, care
> and support we enjoyed.
>
> Janet UK
>
After my elder son's birth, J was in the hospital for 10 days. Not only
that, within 30 minutes of the birth, the nurse asked her what she would
like to eat and suggested a steak!

After that son's 1st was born, my d-i-l and baby were discharged about 3
hours later and when I phoned (from the UK) they were on their way home
and my son was getting her a hamburger at a drive-through!

Graham

"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 16/01/2016 10:01 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>
>>> Who even wants to be in a hospital for any amount of time?
>>
>> When I had my children, usual practice in NHS hospitals was for mother
>> and child to stay in hospital for 10 days after the birth; it was called
>> "lying in". All we had to do was rest and recover in bed, feeding and
>> doting on our newborns; it was bliss. Midwives were there to help and
>> reassure first timers with everything, including all night.
>>
>> These days even first time mothers normally take the baby home within
>> 24 hours of delivery. IMHO they are really missing out on the rest, care
>> and support we enjoyed.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
> After my elder son's birth, J was in the hospital for 10 days. Not only
> that, within 30 minutes of the birth, the nurse asked her what she would
> like to eat and suggested a steak!
>
> After that son's 1st was born, my d-i-l and baby were discharged about 3
> hours later and when I phoned (from the UK) they were on their way home
> and my son was getting her a hamburger at a drive-through!

They had steak in the hospital? Ha! Not here. They had nothing I'd want
to eat except for the applesauce. I was very happy to have a hummus cup and
water biscuits with me.

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:03:59 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
> > after
> > the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> > even
> > stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> > since
> > I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
> > with
> > the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> > shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> > then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
> > I'll
> > make it.
>
> Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
> out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
> PAY!
>
> John Kuthe...
>
>
> At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
> and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
> nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
> you are stable and can take care of yourself.
>
>
>
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Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!

John Kuthe...

On 1/16/2016 9:11 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!
>
> John Kuthe...

Thank Obozo for that, you hypocrite chill.

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:11:30 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:03:59 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
> > > after
> > > the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> > > even
> > > stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> > > since
> > > I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
> > > with
> > > the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> > > shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> > > then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
> > > I'll
> > > make it.
> >
> > Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> > estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> > there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
> > out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
> > PAY!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
> >
> >
> > At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
> > and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
> > nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
> > you are stable and can take care of yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
> Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!
>
> John Kuthe...

My dad fell on some ice in Sweden and needed extensive work to rebuild his shattered ankle. He's got a bunch of pins in his foot, which he seems to be somewhat proud of. The Swedish docs did a pretty good job. When he returned to the states, he wanted to square all his affairs so he contacted the hospital. His bill for his medical care was approximately 50 bucks. In the US, that won't get you a band-aid.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:11:30 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:03:59 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>>>> after
>>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>>>> even
>>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>>>> since
>>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>>>> with
>>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
>>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>>>> I'll
>>>> make it.
>>>
>>> Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
>>> estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
>>> there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
>>> out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
>>> PAY!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>>
>>> At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
>>> and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
>>> nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
>>> you are stable and can take care of yourself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>
>> Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> My dad fell on some ice in Sweden and needed extensive work to rebuild his shattered ankle. He's got a bunch of pins in his foot, which he seems to be somewhat proud of. The Swedish docs did a pretty good job. When he returned to the states, he wanted to square all his affairs so he contacted the hospital. His bill for his medical care was approximately 50 bucks. In the US, that won't get you a band-aid.
>

Guess who paid for it...

Bills are real.

On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 7:34:21 AM UTC-10, cibola de oro wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:11:30 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> >> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:03:59 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >>> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
> >>>> after
> >>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> >>>> even
> >>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> >>>> since
> >>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
> >>>> with
> >>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> >>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> >>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
> >>>> I'll
> >>>> make it.
> >>>
> >>> Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> >>> estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> >>> there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
> >>> out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
> >>> PAY!
> >>>
> >>> John Kuthe...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
> >>> and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
> >>> nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
> >>> you are stable and can take care of yourself.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>
> >> Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!
> >>
> >> John Kuthe...
> >
> > My dad fell on some ice in Sweden and needed extensive work to rebuild his shattered ankle. He's got a bunch of pins in his foot, which he seems to be somewhat proud of. The Swedish docs did a pretty good job. When he returned to the states, he wanted to square all his affairs so he contacted the hospital. His bill for his medical care was approximately 50 bucks. In the US, that won't get you a band-aid.
> >
>
> Guess who paid for it...
>
> Bills are real.

The Swedes pay super high tax rates so everyone there knows the answer to that question. The Swedes have it in their mind to build a better society and that costs - a lot. OTOH, the idea of people not being able to pay for health care or education makes no sense to my Swedish stepmom. It makes no sense to me either but then, I've always been a dreamer.

Her daughter-in-law is from the Ukraine and they provided schooling for her to learn the Swedish language and training so she could be a productive, tax-paying, member of Swedish society. Of course they provided child care so she could get an education. It sounds like a sweet deal to me. It sounds like a sweet deal to a massive waves of immigrants flooding in from Africa and the Middle East too.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 7:34:21 AM UTC-10, cibola de oro wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:11:30 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:03:59 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>>> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
>>>>>> since
>>>>>> I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
>>>>>> shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
>>>>>> then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>> make it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
>>>>> estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
>>>>> there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
>>>>> out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
>>>>> PAY!
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
>>>>> and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
>>>>> nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
>>>>> you are stable and can take care of yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>>
>>>> Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> My dad fell on some ice in Sweden and needed extensive work to rebuild his shattered ankle. He's got a bunch of pins in his foot, which he seems to be somewhat proud of. The Swedish docs did a pretty good job. When he returned to the states, he wanted to square all his affairs so he contacted the hospital. His bill for his medical care was approximately 50 bucks. In the US, that won't get you a band-aid.
>>>
>>
>> Guess who paid for it...
>>
>> Bills are real.
>
> The Swedes pay super high tax rates so everyone there knows the answer to that question.

Ayup.

> The Swedes have it in their mind to build a better society and that costs - a lot.

They failed to factor human nature.

> OTOH, the idea of people not being able to pay for health care or education makes no sense to my Swedish stepmom. It makes no sense to me either but then, I've always been a dreamer.

Lol.


> Her daughter-in-law is from the Ukraine and they provided schooling for her to learn the Swedish language and training so she could be a productive, tax-paying, member of Swedish society. Of course they provided child care so she could get an education. It sounds like a sweet deal to me. It sounds like a sweet deal to a massive waves of immigrants flooding in from Africa and the Middle East too.

Outsourcing immigrants, BRILLIANT!

On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 10:36:50 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 6:11:30 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 4:03:59 PM UTC-6, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > > "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 4:22:58 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > I'll spare you all of the details but they were going to send me home
> > > > after
> > > > the surgery and we had to beg them not to. I was very ill and couldn't
> > > > even
> > > > stand up! Oddly enough I am boiling hot, but no fever. I would think
> > > > since
> > > > I am not on the thyroid med, I would be cold. And wearing the jammies
> > > > with
> > > > the fuzzy top was a bad move. I have fuzz stuck to the wound. But I can
> > > > shower with plain water later. I'm going to finish eating these ice chips
> > > > then go to bed with an ice pack. Fun times! Hard to talk and eat but
> > > > I'll
> > > > make it.
> > >
> > > Hospitals and other medical/surgical places are the most expensive real
> > > estate out there! No more "admitted the night before surgery and then stay
> > > there days after", not anymore. Much more money to be made by kicking YOU
> > > out ASAP and get the next poor sot in there whose FOR PROFIT INSURANCE will
> > > PAY!
> > >
> > > John Kuthe...
> > >
> > >
> > > At 3,000.00 a night on average they have every incentive to keep you there
> > > and run more tests. People really do heal better at home. I know a few
> > > nurses and they tell me that is why they send you home as soon as they think
> > > you are stable and can take care of yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
> > Of course! It's all one big stinking corrupt money making machine!! The FOR PROFIT health insurers and the stupidly expensive health care providers!! And We The People are stuck feeding their MONEY ADDICTION!!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
> My dad fell on some ice in Sweden and needed extensive work to rebuild his shattered ankle. He's got a bunch of pins in his foot, which he seems to be somewhat proud of. The Swedish docs did a pretty good job. When he returned to the states, he wanted to square all his affairs so he contacted the hospital. His bill for his medical care was approximately 50 bucks. In the US, that won't get you a band-aid.

Yep!! That's socialized health care!! Government's all up in it, and what you get is excellent health care, and very reasonabe prices!! But what youi DON'T get is multibillion$ FOR PROFIT health care insurance, and stupidly expensive health care! That's for U.S.!! Ain't it fin? :-(

John Kuthe...