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Is the price of eggs. How come chickens are so cheap and eggs cost so much? For example: Within recent weeks I have stocked up on chicken thighs ($.79/lb), chicken wings ($.89/lb), boneless, skinless chicken breasts ($1.38/lb.) whole chickens ($.89/lb) Yet I used to be able to get 2 dozen extra large eggs for about $2.00/2 dozen and now it is around $4.00/ 1.5 dozen for large eggs. I know Layers aren't the same production method or result, but it seems to me that the cost of care and feeding should be about the same. I don't get it. Explain, please. Janet US |
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On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 10:24:36 AM UTC-7, Janet B wrote:
> Is the price of eggs. How come chickens are so cheap and eggs cost so > much? For example: Within recent weeks I have stocked up on chicken > thighs ($.79/lb), chicken wings ($.89/lb), boneless, skinless chicken > breasts ($1.38/lb.) whole chickens ($.89/lb) Yet I used to be able to > get 2 dozen extra large eggs for about $2.00/2 dozen and now it is > around $4.00/ 1.5 dozen for large eggs. I know Layers aren't the same > production method or result, but it seems to me that the cost of care > and feeding should be about the same. I don't get it. Explain, > please. Bird flu. Fryers are raised in more of a sterile environment. Fryers are hatched from eggs, and are brought to market as quickly as possible, while layers live until it's unproductive to feed them. Egg prices breaking all-time highs on bird flu Katie Little | @KatieLittle Thursday, 13 Aug 2015 | 10:13 AM ET http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/13/egg-p...-bird-flu.html |
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On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:30:49 -0700 (PDT),
wrote: >On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 10:24:36 AM UTC-7, Janet B wrote: >> Is the price of eggs. How come chickens are so cheap and eggs cost so >> much? For example: Within recent weeks I have stocked up on chicken >> thighs ($.79/lb), chicken wings ($.89/lb), boneless, skinless chicken >> breasts ($1.38/lb.) whole chickens ($.89/lb) Yet I used to be able to >> get 2 dozen extra large eggs for about $2.00/2 dozen and now it is >> around $4.00/ 1.5 dozen for large eggs. I know Layers aren't the same >> production method or result, but it seems to me that the cost of care >> and feeding should be about the same. I don't get it. Explain, >> please. > >Bird flu. Fryers are raised in more of a sterile environment. >Fryers are hatched from eggs, and are brought to market as quickly as >possible, while layers live until it's unproductive to feed them. > >Egg prices breaking all-time highs on bird flu >Katie Little | @KatieLittle >Thursday, 13 Aug 2015 | 10:13 AM ET > >http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/13/egg-p...-bird-flu.html Thanks. I hadn't thought of it that way., that is the increased time of exposure. Janet US |
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On 2015-10-23, Janet B > wrote:
> chicken wings ($.89/lb), boneless, skinless chicken > breasts ($1.38/lb.)...... I'm still trying to figure out where you are paying these unbelievably low prices. I was paying $4lb fer boneless chkn breasts (non sale prices) 15 yrs ago! I haven't seen chkn wings under $1.80 lb (prolly more, now) in at least a decade. nb |
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Janet B wrote:
> > Is the price of eggs. How come chickens are so cheap and eggs cost so > much? For example: Within recent weeks I have stocked up on chicken > thighs ($.79/lb), chicken wings ($.89/lb), boneless, skinless chicken > breasts ($1.38/lb.) whole chickens ($.89/lb) Yet I used to be able to > get 2 dozen extra large eggs for about $2.00/2 dozen and now it is > around $4.00/ 1.5 dozen for large eggs. I know Layers aren't the same > production method or result, but it seems to me that the cost of care > and feeding should be about the same. I don't get it. Explain, > please. > Janet US > Ok: http://www.epicurious.com/expert-adv...ensive-article The problem started with outbreaks of avian flu in the American poultry population in December of 2014. Farmers were forced to slaughter more than 44 million chickens and turkeys, and discard eggs by the millions: Egg production this year is expected to be down by 341 million dozen, a full 4 percent less than last year. If you stop to think about it, Shagam says, the economics at play are quite literally chicken-and-egg, since both were destroyed: Stores of eggs can’t be replenished until the entire food chain is restored. “It’s a several stage process. You have to hatch the eggs for the grandparent flock, and they’ll start laying [more] eggs.” Egg production won’t be back to normal levels, he says, “until probably sometime in the second quarter of 2016.” |
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On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:26:08 -0700 (PDT),
wrote: >On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 11:16:23 AM UTC-7, John Kuthe wrote: >> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:30:49 -0700 (PDT), >> wrote: >> >> >On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 10:24:36 AM UTC-7, Janet B wrote: >> >> Is the price of eggs. How come chickens are so cheap and eggs cost so >> >> much? For example: Within recent weeks I have stocked up on chicken >> >> thighs ($.79/lb), chicken wings ($.89/lb), boneless, skinless chicken >> >> breasts ($1.38/lb.) whole chickens ($.89/lb) Yet I used to be able to >> >> get 2 dozen extra large eggs for about $2.00/2 dozen and now it is >> >> around $4.00/ 1.5 dozen for large eggs. I know Layers aren't the same >> >> production method or result, but it seems to me that the cost of care >> >> and feeding should be about the same. I don't get it. Explain, >> >> please. >> > >> >Bird flu. Fryers are raised in more of a sterile environment. >> ... >> >> There is no such thing as "more of a sterile environment". It's either >> sterile or it's not. Kinda like pregnant! >> > >You can't have a truly sterile environment if you fill it with chickens. Exactly! John Kuthe... |
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On 2015-10-23, Villanueva > wrote:
> Egg production won't be back to normal..... Egg production, like chkn production, hasn't been normal for decades. nb |
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On 23 Oct 2015 18:42:31 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>On 2015-10-23, Janet B > wrote: > >> chicken wings ($.89/lb), boneless, skinless chicken >> breasts ($1.38/lb.)...... > >I'm still trying to figure out where you are paying these unbelievably >low prices. I was paying $4lb fer boneless chkn breasts (non sale >prices) 15 yrs ago! I haven't seen chkn wings under $1.80 lb (prolly >more, now) in at least a decade. > >nb I was stunned to see that price for chicken wings that are usually near $3/lb. I bought them to save for Super Bowl. Janet US |
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On 23 Oct 2015 19:08:08 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> On 2015-10-23, Villanueva > wrote: > > > Egg production won't be back to normal..... > > Egg production, like chkn production, hasn't been normal for decades. > > nb I wish they'd start vaccinating this new crop of birds for salmonella, but that will never happen. -- sf |
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On 10/23/2015 3:07 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> >>>> Bird flu. Fryers are raised in more of a sterile environment. >>> ... >>> >>> There is no such thing as "more of a sterile environment". It's either >>> sterile or it's not. Kinda like pregnant! >>> >> >> You can't have a truly sterile environment if you fill it with chickens. > > Exactly! > > John Kuthe... > Less filthy would be a more accurate term. |
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On 10/23/2015 10:24 AM, Janet B wrote:
> > Is the price of eggs. How come chickens are so cheap and eggs cost so > much? For example: Within recent weeks I have stocked up on chicken > thighs ($.79/lb), chicken wings ($.89/lb), boneless, skinless chicken > breasts ($1.38/lb.) whole chickens ($.89/lb) Yet I used to be able to > get 2 dozen extra large eggs for about $2.00/2 dozen and now it is > around $4.00/ 1.5 dozen for large eggs. I know Layers aren't the same > production method or result, but it seems to me that the cost of care > and feeding should be about the same. I don't get it. Explain, > please. > Janet US > What on earth are you two nattering about now? This is the perfect example of why groups should be moderated. -- Barbara J Llorente, 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127. |
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On 10/23/2015 1:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/23/2015 3:07 PM, John Kuthe wrote: > > >>>>> >>>>> Bird flu. Fryers are raised in more of a sterile environment. >>>> ... >>>> >>>> There is no such thing as "more of a sterile environment". It's either >>>> sterile or it's not. Kinda like pregnant! >>>> >>> >>> You can't have a truly sterile environment if you fill it with chickens. >> >> Exactly! >> >> John Kuthe... >> > > Less filthy would be a more accurate term. You don't have a clue, do you. You're an asshole who thinks his shit doesn't stink. -- Barbara J Llorente, 71 Cerritos Ave San Francisco, CA 94127. |
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On 2015-10-23 1:24 PM, Janet B wrote:
> > Is the price of eggs. How come chickens are so cheap and eggs cost so > much? For example: Within recent weeks I have stocked up on chicken > thighs ($.79/lb), chicken wings ($.89/lb), boneless, skinless chicken > breasts ($1.38/lb.) whole chickens ($.89/lb) Yet I used to be able to > get 2 dozen extra large eggs for about $2.00/2 dozen and now it is > around $4.00/ 1.5 dozen for large eggs. I know Layers aren't the same > production method or result, but it seems to me that the cost of care > and feeding should be about the same. I don't get it. Explain, > please. > I have no idea what you are talking. I could only wish that our chicken prices were as low as the prices you are reporting. Large eggs are generally $3 per dozen or more. Something to think about is the cost of producing eggs vs chickens.... and remembering that layers eventually end up in the pot. Hens start laying eggs at about 4-5 months of age. They are very productive for a couple months but their (re) productive life is short and by by the time the time they are about a year and a quarter they are no longer producing more than it costs to feed them. That is when they are slaughtered for their meat. It is difficult to compare the cost of care and feeding for egg production versus meat. There are breeds of chicken for meat production and there are other breeds that are used for egg production. Broilers are only 5-9 weeks old when slaughtered. By that age they have pretty well maxed on on the ration of feed to body weight, and after that it is a matter of diminishing returns. |
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On 2015-10-24 2:45 PM, Janet wrote:
>> the time they are about a year and a quarter they are no longer >> producing more than it costs to feed them. That is when they are >> slaughtered for their meat. > > Modern egg-production commercial breeds are not slaughtered to be > sold as the chicken seen in supermarkets; the breeds are comparatively > small and light and by the time they finish laying are pretty much > wrecked. The carcases might be fit for petfood, or soup, but you > wouldn't want to eat a whole one. They sure aren't good for roasting, which is why I mentioned the pot. They can be used for stews and soups. They can be used processed foods or for pet food. You can bet that they don't just slaughter them and take the carcasses to the dump. They will render everything they can get out of them. |
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 19:37:52 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>In article >, says... >> >> Is the price of eggs. How come chickens are so cheap and eggs cost so >> much? For example: Within recent weeks I have stocked up on chicken >> thighs ($.79/lb), chicken wings ($.89/lb), boneless, skinless chicken >> breasts ($1.38/lb.) whole chickens ($.89/lb) Yet I used to be able to >> get 2 dozen extra large eggs for about $2.00/2 dozen and now it is >> around $4.00/ 1.5 dozen for large eggs. I know Layers aren't the same >> production method or result, but it seems to me that the cost of care >> and feeding should be about the same. I don't get it. Explain, > > Chickens reared for meat are killed at around 8 weeks. That limits >feed costs. > > > Chickens reared for eggs don't even start laying until age 18 to 20 >weeks. > They then have to be fed for as long as they produce eggs. Feeding, >housing, cleaning a layer for its lifetime, therefore costs a lot more >than feeding housing, cleaning a meat bird. > > > Janet UK thank you for the info. I've never had the opportunity to raise chickens so I didn't know. Janet US |
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On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 11:45:58 AM UTC-7, Janet wrote:
> In article >, > says... > > Something to think about is the cost of producing eggs vs chickens.... > > and remembering that layers eventually end up in the pot. Hens start > > laying eggs at about 4-5 months of age. They are very productive for a > > couple months but their (re) productive life is short and by by the time > > the time they are about a year and a quarter they are no longer > > producing more than it costs to feed them. That is when they are > > slaughtered for their meat. > > Modern egg-production commercial breeds are not slaughtered to be > sold as the chicken seen in supermarkets; the breeds are comparatively > small and light and by the time they finish laying are pretty much > wrecked. The carcases might be fit for petfood, or soup, but you > wouldn't want to eat a whole one. Some years ago, I worked with the son of an egg producer, from western Illinois. He told me that when the hens were too old, his dad sold them to Campbell's Soup. |
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On 10/23/2015 1:24 PM, Janet B wrote:
> > Is the price of eggs. How come chickens are so cheap and eggs cost so > much? For example: Within recent weeks I have stocked up on chicken > thighs ($.79/lb), chicken wings ($.89/lb), boneless, skinless chicken > breasts ($1.38/lb.) whole chickens ($.89/lb) I haven't seen fresh chicken priced like that on a regular basis in years. I did see some recently advertised (surely frozen chicken legs in two local grocery stores for $.38/lb. for a 10 lb. bag.) I didn't investigate further. > Yet I used to be able to get 2 dozen extra large eggs for about $2.00/2 dozen and now it is > around $4.00/ 1.5 dozen for large eggs. Fortunately, I haven't yet run into such high extremely high egg prices. Unless you're looking at branded eggs. Like Egglands Best or something. I know Layers aren't the same > production method or result, but it seems to me that the cost of care > and feeding should be about the same. I don't get it. Explain, Sorry, I can't explain. Jill |
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On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:18:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>On 10/23/2015 3:07 PM, John Kuthe wrote: > > >>>>> >>>>> Bird flu. Fryers are raised in more of a sterile environment. >>>> ... >>>> >>>> There is no such thing as "more of a sterile environment". It's either >>>> sterile or it's not. Kinda like pregnant! >>>> >>> >>> You can't have a truly sterile environment if you fill it with chickens. >> >> Exactly! >> >> John Kuthe... >> > >Less filthy would be a more accurate term. Yes, much more accurate!! John Kuthe... |
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On 10/25/2015 9:40 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Gary knows what I'm talking about, right Gary? > > -sw ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Omelet wrote: > >> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him... > > He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with > I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty > trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to > deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their > meds. For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the total blue. After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3 years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY MOVING IN WITH YOU? That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2 years. Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away. There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo. And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're manic depressive mixed with habitual liar. Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles. -sw --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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In volume 1 of "The Tightwad Gazette," there was a chart about comparing
egg prices. Hint: In order for jumbo eggs to be a better deal than large eggs, the jumbo eggs should not be more than about 35 cents higher than the price of the large eggs. YMMV. And four jumbo eggs are equal to five large eggs. Of course, this is not necessarily useful to someone who never bakes and never cooks scrambled eggs (as opposed to handing out individual boiled eggs to family members). Here's a thread I started on that in 2009: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ng/qmq6jjezv78 Also, one can substitute soy flour and water for one or two eggs in baking. (Not with cookies!) E.g., if you know of a muffin recipe that tends to have a crumbly result, using soy flour instead will likely make it more stable. I've used it in pancakes and it was fine. More info: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...oy+flour+water One source suggests: "1 tblsp soy milk powder and 1 tblsp cornstarch and 2 tblsp water = 1 egg." (Don't know if that's as cheap as soy flour and water - but using just those two ingredients was DEFINITELY cheaper than eggs, last time I checked. Besides, you can keep soy flour in the freezer up to a year, in an airtight container.) Also: "Shelf Life (for soy flour): 5 to 7 months if properly stored, tightly wrapped or tightly sealed plastic or glass containers. The refrigerator or freezer are the best locations for storage." Lenona. |
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So one source says that when subbing for one egg, you use 1 heaping tablespoon
of soy flour and 1 tablespoon water. Since soy flour in my area costs $2.50 per pound and one cup weighs 4 ounces, that's probably just over 4 cents per heaping tablespoon. (In my area, right now, I'm lucky to find eggs at $2 a dozen, so soy flour is clearly much cheaper!) And if I were cooking doing LOTS of pancakes, bread and muffins, I would buy soy flour in 2-pound bags at $3 per bag from my local Indian store, but that's a pretty unlikely scenario - the soy flour would likely just take up space in my freezer. Lenona. |
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On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 6:20:15 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> Of course, this is not necessarily useful to someone who never bakes and > never cooks scrambled eggs (as opposed to handing out individual boiled eggs > to family members). Huh? What does scrambled eggs have to do with it? If I want scrambled eggs, I scramble two eggs. There isn't enough difference in the commonly available sizes to matter for that use. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 6:31:32 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 6:20:15 PM UTC-4, wrote: > > > Of course, this is not necessarily useful to someone who never bakes and > > never cooks scrambled eggs (as opposed to handing out individual boiled eggs > > to family members). > > Huh? What does scrambled eggs have to do with it? If I want scrambled eggs, > I scramble two eggs. There isn't enough difference in the commonly available > sizes to matter for that use. > > Cindy Hamilton Well, if you were cooking for three or more people, things might be different. Lenona. |
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jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/28/2015 12:50 PM, wrote: >> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 6:31:32 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 6:20:15 PM UTC-4, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Of course, this is not necessarily useful to someone who never bakes >>>> and >>>> never cooks scrambled eggs (as opposed to handing out individual >>>> boiled eggs >>>> to family members). >>> >>> Huh? What does scrambled eggs have to do with it? If I want >>> scrambled eggs, >>> I scramble two eggs. There isn't enough difference in the commonly >>> available >>> sizes to matter for that use. >>> >>> Cindy Hamilton >> >> Well, if you were cooking for three or more people, things might be >> different. >> >> >> Lenona. >> > Or you could be Sheldon, who cooks half a dozen or more eggs at a time. ;) > > Jill Oh let him be, with that much Vodka in his system the eggs must curdle before they get digested. |
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> > Or you could be Sheldon, who cooks half a dozen or more eggs at a time. ;) I think that's only when he's dieting. heh |
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Gary wrote:
>jmcquown wrote: >> >>Or you could be Sheldon, who cooks half a dozen or more eggs at a time. ;) > >I think that's only when he's dieting. heh Hmm, where did I say I eat all those eggs in one sitting? Only inane kitchen know nothings cook one portion at a time, have to do a whole clean up, and then repeat the entire process again for the next meal... and what's the point to operating a refrigerator freezer and not make full use of it? Duh I baked raisin bran muffins this morning... TWO DOZEN JUMBOS... I won't be eating them all at one sitting, 18 are in the freezer, 9 fill a one gallon zip-loc. It'd be assinine to bake one pan when I can bake four pans in the same time at the same oven lighting. The dark ones contain molasses, they light ones contain honey: http://i65.tinypic.com/rcn0at.jpg Only an absolute moron would go through an entire clean up four times rather than just once: http://i64.tinypic.com/2czc568.jpg Trump Towers Cat Hotel: http://i66.tinypic.com/icrajn.jpg Barely any leaves left: http://i64.tinypic.com/jsyuxl.jpg |
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On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-4, Janet B wrote:
> I don't get it. Explain, > please. > Janet US One thing not mentioned is that a chicken can only lay one egg per day. That takes 12 chickens per day / dozen. Also, there is no guarantee that the chicken won't skip a day. |
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