Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who make
refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the machine to
freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems like the
ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and 80% cold.

Thanks.

John

On 10/13/2015 12:29 PM, Yes wrote:
> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who make
> refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the machine to
> freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems like the
> ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and 80% cold.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John
>

Sort of...

http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator

Get the space you need in a refrigerator that's right for your kitchen.
With 24 cu. ft. of space, this largest capacity bottom mount
refrigerator offers ample room to meet your storage needs.

http://www.sunfrost.com/efficient_re...or_models.html

Sun Frost RF19, R19, and F19
shown with 13" Cabinet
These refrigerators and freezers are our largest models, and all have
two equal sized compartments.

Embudo wrote:

> On 10/13/2015 12:29 PM, Yes wrote:
> > Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who
> > make refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the
> > machine to freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems
> > like the ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and
> > 80% cold.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > John
> >
>
> Sort of...
>
>
http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator
>
> Get the space you need in a refrigerator that's right for your
> kitchen. With 24 cu. ft. of space, this largest capacity bottom mount
> refrigerator offers ample room to meet your storage needs.
>
> http://www.sunfrost.com/efficient_re...or_models.html
>
> Sun Frost RF19, R19, and F19
> shown with 13" Cabinet
> These refrigerators and freezers are our largest models, and all have
> two equal sized compartments.

Wow. That Sun Frost looks nice. OTOH< given its price tag, I can
understand why the places I normally shop (e.g., Home Depot and Lowe's)
for kitchen appliances don't carry it afaict.

On 10/13/2015 4:02 PM, Yes wrote:
> Embudo wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/2015 12:29 PM, Yes wrote:
>>> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who
>>> make refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the
>>> machine to freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems
>>> like the ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and
>>> 80% cold.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>
>> Sort of...
>>
>>
> http://www.lg.com/us/refrigerators/l...r-refrigerator
>>
>> Get the space you need in a refrigerator that's right for your
>> kitchen. With 24 cu. ft. of space, this largest capacity bottom mount
>> refrigerator offers ample room to meet your storage needs.
>>
>> http://www.sunfrost.com/efficient_re...or_models.html
>>
>> Sun Frost RF19, R19, and F19
>> shown with 13" Cabinet
>> These refrigerators and freezers are our largest models, and all have
>> two equal sized compartments.
>
> Wow. That Sun Frost looks nice. OTOH< given its price tag, I can
> understand why the places I normally shop (e.g., Home Depot and Lowe's)
> for kitchen appliances don't carry it afaict.
>
Glad you found it useful, yes, they're not mainstream big box items at
all.

In article >,
"Yes" > wrote:

> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who make
> refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the machine to
> freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems like the
> ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and 80% cold.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John

I saw an ad recently for a 4 door refrigerator where one of the
compartments could be switched between freezer or cold. Still probably
won't get you to 60%, and I don't recall the make, may have been Samsung.

On 10/13/2015 1:20 PM, Mark Storkamp wrote:
> In article >,
> "Yes" > wrote:
>
>> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who make
>> refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the machine to
>> freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems like the
>> ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and 80% cold.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> John
>
> I saw an ad recently for a 4 door refrigerator where one of the
> compartments could be switched between freezer or cold. Still probably
> won't get you to 60%, and I don't recall the make, may have been Samsung.
>
http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF34H9960S4/AA

....sweet..

Embudo wrote:

> On 10/13/2015 1:20 PM, Mark Storkamp wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Yes" > wrote:
> >
> > > Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who
> > > make refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the
> > > machine to freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It
> > > seems like the ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20%
> > > freezer and 80% cold.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > John
> >
> > I saw an ad recently for a 4 door refrigerator where one of the
> > compartments could be switched between freezer or cold. Still
> > probably won't get you to 60%, and I don't recall the make, may
> > have been Samsung.
> >
> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF34H9960S4/AA
>
> ...sweet..

Again, wow. Nice.

On 10/13/2015 4:04 PM, Yes wrote:
> Embudo wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/2015 1:20 PM, Mark Storkamp wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "Yes" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who
>>>> make refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the
>>>> machine to freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It
>>>> seems like the ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20%
>>>> freezer and 80% cold.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
>>> I saw an ad recently for a 4 door refrigerator where one of the
>>> compartments could be switched between freezer or cold. Still
>>> probably won't get you to 60%, and I don't recall the make, may
>>> have been Samsung.
>>>
>> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances...RF34H9960S4/AA
>>
>> ...sweet..
>
> Again, wow. Nice.
>
$5K nice!

Amazing.

In article >,
says...
>
> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who make
> refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the machine to
> freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems like the
> ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and 80% cold.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John

In UK we can get two-door fridge-freezers in various combinations of
sizes. I'm sure the US must have the same.

Janet

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:11:23 +0100, Janet > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who make
> > refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the machine to
> > freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems like the
> > ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and 80% cold.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > John
>
> In UK we can get two-door fridge-freezers in various combinations of
> sizes. I'm sure the US must have the same.
>
His ratio for freezer to refrigerator is pure fantasy. It's easier to
buy a refrigerator only unit and a separate freezer to stand together,
but I still think 50-50 will be the best he can do if he wants a
matched set. All it takes is money.


--

sf

sf wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:11:23 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who
> > > make refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the
> > > machine to freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It
> > > seems like the ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20%
> > > freezer and 80% cold.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > John
> >
> > In UK we can get two-door fridge-freezers in various combinations
> > of sizes. I'm sure the US must have the same.
> >
> His ratio for freezer to refrigerator is pure fantasy. It's easier to
> buy a refrigerator only unit and a separate freezer to stand together,
> but I still think 50-50 will be the best he can do if he wants a
> matched set. All it takes is money.

I wouldn't know if the numbers were fantasy or not. That's part of the
point of my question in the first place.

It seems like I only buy a fridge about every ten years or so in order
to replace the old one. When I do go around looking for one, I'm
usually going to mundane places like Home Depot or whatever (U.S.), not
to an upscale retailer that specializes in say expensive models and/or
home restoration. So, I'll agree with "all it takes is money". But it
also requires having the space for such luxuries, which I don't have,
living in an older condo complex with a galley style kitchen.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:56:20 +0000 (UTC), "Yes"
> wrote:

> It seems like I only buy a fridge about every ten years or so in order
> to replace the old one. When I do go around looking for one, I'm
> usually going to mundane places like Home Depot or whatever (U.S.), not
> to an upscale retailer that specializes in say expensive models and/or
> home restoration. So, I'll agree with "all it takes is money". But it
> also requires having the space for such luxuries, which I don't have,
> living in an older condo complex with a galley style kitchen.

What size is the space you're trying to fill? Begin your search with
that. Narrow it down to those with the largest freezer capacity and
then narrow it down by price. That's the best you can do.

--

sf

On 10/13/2015 5:56 PM, Yes wrote:

>
> I wouldn't know if the numbers were fantasy or not. That's part of the
> point of my question in the first place.
>
> It seems like I only buy a fridge about every ten years or so in order
> to replace the old one. When I do go around looking for one, I'm
> usually going to mundane places like Home Depot or whatever (U.S.), not
> to an upscale retailer that specializes in say expensive models and/or
> home restoration. So, I'll agree with "all it takes is money". But it
> also requires having the space for such luxuries, which I don't have,
> living in an older condo complex with a galley style kitchen.
>

Pass the Home Depot and the very high end stores. There are plenty of
small appliance stores that have a good selection and can get you the
little known models. Our local store will beat HD prices and if it
exists, he can get it for you.

Janet wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who
> > make refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the
> > machine to freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems
> > like the ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and
> > 80% cold.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > John
>
> In UK we can get two-door fridge-freezers in various combinations
> of sizes. I'm sure the US must have the same.
>
> Janet

I know the retailers carry two-door fridge-freezers; I'm here in the
U.S. as you guessed. Last year I replaced my old fridge (Whirlpool)
with a Frigidaire. The freezer area was about a 1/2 cubic foot
smaller. I didn't think it wood matter much, but the smaller volume
has affected my use in ways I didn't expect, plus the quality of the
Frigidaire doesn't seem to be as good as that of the Whirlpool. That
may just my imagination.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:13:53 +0000 (UTC), "Yes"
> wrote:

>I know the retailers carry two-door fridge-freezers; I'm here in the
>U.S. as you guessed. Last year I replaced my old fridge (Whirlpool)
>with a Frigidaire. The freezer area was about a 1/2 cubic foot
>smaller. I didn't think it wood matter much, but the smaller volume
>has affected my use in ways I didn't expect, plus the quality of the
>Frigidaire doesn't seem to be as good as that of the Whirlpool. That
>may just my imagination.


I could not believe my ears standing in HHGreggs looking at a new
Refrigerator. I told the Salesman I was disappointed in my old
Whirlpool Refrigerator because after 32 years things were starting to
quit working properly. He laughed hysterically and said, Oh well,
these new refrigerators are only designed to last about five years!
I can't believe they have people so stupid working for them.

William

"William" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:13:53 +0000 (UTC), "Yes"
> > wrote:
>
>>I know the retailers carry two-door fridge-freezers; I'm here in the
>>U.S. as you guessed. Last year I replaced my old fridge (Whirlpool)
>>with a Frigidaire. The freezer area was about a 1/2 cubic foot
>>smaller. I didn't think it wood matter much, but the smaller volume
>>has affected my use in ways I didn't expect, plus the quality of the
>>Frigidaire doesn't seem to be as good as that of the Whirlpool. That
>>may just my imagination.
>
>
> I could not believe my ears standing in HHGreggs looking at a new
> Refrigerator. I told the Salesman I was disappointed in my old
> Whirlpool Refrigerator because after 32 years things were starting to
> quit working properly. He laughed hysterically and said, Oh well,
> these new refrigerators are only designed to last about five years!
> I can't believe they have people so stupid working for them.

<g>
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 14/10/2015 5:06 AM, William wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:13:53 +0000 (UTC), "Yes"
> > wrote:
>
>> I know the retailers carry two-door fridge-freezers; I'm here in the
>> U.S. as you guessed. Last year I replaced my old fridge (Whirlpool)
>> with a Frigidaire. The freezer area was about a 1/2 cubic foot
>> smaller. I didn't think it wood matter much, but the smaller volume
>> has affected my use in ways I didn't expect, plus the quality of the
>> Frigidaire doesn't seem to be as good as that of the Whirlpool. That
>> may just my imagination.
>
>
> I could not believe my ears standing in HHGreggs looking at a new
> Refrigerator. I told the Salesman I was disappointed in my old
> Whirlpool Refrigerator because after 32 years things were starting to
> quit working properly. He laughed hysterically and said, Oh well,
> these new refrigerators are only designed to last about five years!
> I can't believe they have people so stupid working for them.
>
> William
>
When I complained to a Bosch rep about my noisy dishwasher being only 12
years old, he told me it was built to have a 10 year lifespan.
Graham

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 7:07:16 AM UTC-4, BigC300 wrote:

> I could not believe my ears standing in HHGreggs looking at a new
> Refrigerator. I told the Salesman I was disappointed in my old
> Whirlpool Refrigerator because after 32 years things were starting to
> quit working properly. He laughed hysterically and said, Oh well,
> these new refrigerators are only designed to last about five years!
> I can't believe they have people so stupid working for them.

At least he told the truth. Plus, do you have any choice
but to buy a new, crappy fridge once your old one conks out
for good? He loses nothing by properly setting your expectations
as to the quality of the available replacements.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:45:27 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 7:07:16 AM UTC-4, BigC300 wrote:
>
> > I could not believe my ears standing in HHGreggs looking at a new
> > Refrigerator. I told the Salesman I was disappointed in my old
> > Whirlpool Refrigerator because after 32 years things were starting to
> > quit working properly. He laughed hysterically and said, Oh well,
> > these new refrigerators are only designed to last about five years!
> > I can't believe they have people so stupid working for them.
>
> At least he told the truth. Plus, do you have any choice
> but to buy a new, crappy fridge once your old one conks out
> for good? He loses nothing by properly setting your expectations
> as to the quality of the available replacements.
>
+1


--

sf

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:45:27 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 7:07:16 AM UTC-4, BigC300 wrote:
>
>> I could not believe my ears standing in HHGreggs looking at a new
>> Refrigerator. I told the Salesman I was disappointed in my old
>> Whirlpool Refrigerator because after 32 years things were starting to
>> quit working properly. He laughed hysterically and said, Oh well,
>> these new refrigerators are only designed to last about five years!
>> I can't believe they have people so stupid working for them.
>
>At least he told the truth. Plus, do you have any choice
>but to buy a new, crappy fridge once your old one conks out
>for good? He loses nothing by properly setting your expectations
>as to the quality of the available replacements.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

That's why when I wanted a second fridge for my basement the owner of
the local appliance store suggested I buy an older reconditioned
unit... I did much better with a $100 used fridge than had I spent
$1,200 on brand new. I really don't care that it's got wire shelves
and no bells and whistles, I've been using it 12 years now and is
probably good for another 12 years. This unit is like 40 years old,
has the freezer door on the inside. This local applaince store is
small compared to teh big national chain stores but it's been in
business a long time, second generation now. The owner told me that
when they pick up certain units they know they can be reconditioned to
better then new, they are not modern looking but they are made much
better than those produced today.

On 10/14/2015 7:06 AM, William wrote:

> I could not believe my ears standing in HHGreggs looking at a new
> Refrigerator. I told the Salesman I was disappointed in my old
> Whirlpool Refrigerator because after 32 years things were starting to
> quit working properly. He laughed hysterically and said, Oh well,
> these new refrigerators are only designed to last about five years!
> I can't believe they have people so stupid working for them.

I haven't heard that before and it disappoints me. I'm not surprised if
its true, though, but where is the pride in workmanship and quality?

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On 10/14/2015 9:47 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 10/14/2015 7:06 AM, William wrote:
>
>> I could not believe my ears standing in HHGreggs looking at a new
>> Refrigerator. I told the Salesman I was disappointed in my old
>> Whirlpool Refrigerator because after 32 years things were starting to
>> quit working properly. He laughed hysterically and said, Oh well,
>> these new refrigerators are only designed to last about five years!
>> I can't believe they have people so stupid working for them.
>
> I haven't heard that before and it disappoints me. I'm not surprised if
> its true, though, but where is the pride in workmanship and quality?
>

I was told by an engineer that worked for a major appliance company that
between cost cutting and energy efficiency the reliability of the
sealed system is less than the past.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
web.com...
> On 10/14/2015 7:06 AM, William wrote:
>
>> I could not believe my ears standing in HHGreggs looking at a new
>> Refrigerator. I told the Salesman I was disappointed in my old
>> Whirlpool Refrigerator because after 32 years things were starting to
>> quit working properly. He laughed hysterically and said, Oh well,
>> these new refrigerators are only designed to last about five years!
>> I can't believe they have people so stupid working for them.
>
> I haven't heard that before and it disappoints me. I'm not surprised if
> its true, though, but where is the pride in workmanship and quality?

Yes, my old Hotpoint ran without one problem for over 20 years, and the
shelves and veggie bins etc., were very sturdy, the new one seems very
flimsy.

Cheri

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 2:31:50 PM UTC-4, Yes wrote:
> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who make
> refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the machine to
> freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems like the
> ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and 80% cold.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John

Why do you want so much freezer space? Are you 100 miles from your food source? I'd rather have more COLD. For me, the freezer is just a place to lose or forget stuff.

AND - in case any fridge designers are reading this -- how about a foot pedal to open the door when we're laden with stuff to put away?

On 10/13/2015 5:57 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 2:31:50 PM UTC-4, Yes wrote:
>> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who make
>> refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the machine to
>> freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems like the
>> ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and 80% cold.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> John
>
> Why do you want so much freezer space? Are you 100 miles from your food source? I'd rather have more COLD. For me, the freezer is just a place to lose or forget stuff.
>
> AND - in case any fridge designers are reading this -- how about a foot pedal to open the door when we're laden with stuff to put away?
>
For that you need a Ford Escape!

Kalmia wrote:
>Yes wrote:
>> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who make
>> refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the machine to
>> freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems like the
>> ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and 80% cold.
>
>Why do you want so much freezer space? Are you 100 miles from your food source?
>I'd rather have more COLD. For me, the freezer is just a place to lose or forget stuff.

For me the solution was simple, I acquired a second refrigerator
freezer, for $100 from a used appliance store, granted it's no frills
but no one sees it in my basement, twelve years later it's still
working fine. For very little money I have lots of both extra fridge
and freezer space... also solves the problem of what to do with the
produce from my vegetable garden. I like the idea of a second
fridge-freezer just in case my main unit stops working, I have a place
to move the food.

>AND - in case any fridge designers are reading this -- how about a foot pedal to open the door when we're laden with stuff to put away?

That won't solve the problem, you'll still have both arms full, get a
cart/small table on wheels... although a properly designed kitchen has
counter space adjacent to the fridge.

Brooklyn1 wrote:

> Kalmia wrote:
> > Yes wrote:
> >> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who
> make >> refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the
> machine to >> freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It
> seems like the >> ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer
> and 80% cold.
> >
> > Why do you want so much freezer space? Are you 100 miles from your
> > food source? I'd rather have more COLD. For me, the freezer is
> > just a place to lose or forget stuff.
>
> For me the solution was simple, I acquired a second refrigerator
> freezer, for $100 from a used appliance store, granted it's no frills
> but no one sees it in my basement, twelve years later it's still
> working fine. For very little money I have lots of both extra fridge
> and freezer space... also solves the problem of what to do with the
> produce from my vegetable garden. I like the idea of a second
> fridge-freezer just in case my main unit stops working, I have a place
> to move the food.
>
> > AND - in case any fridge designers are reading this -- how about a
> > foot pedal to open the door when we're laden with stuff to put away?
>
> That won't solve the problem, you'll still have both arms full, get a
> cart/small table on wheels... although a properly designed kitchen has
> counter space adjacent to the fridge.

Not a feasible solution for me. I live in a 1,000 sq. ft. condo with a
galley style kitchen built in the late 70s. It was laid out quite well
for then, but attitudes, designs and gadgets have changed drastically
since then. My budget hasn't. sigh.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 22:19:57 +0000 (UTC), "Yes"
> wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Kalmia wrote:
>> > Yes wrote:
>> >> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who
>> make >> refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the
>> machine to >> freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It
>> seems like the >> ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer
>> and 80% cold.
>> >
>> > Why do you want so much freezer space? Are you 100 miles from your
>> > food source? I'd rather have more COLD. For me, the freezer is
>> > just a place to lose or forget stuff.
>>
>> For me the solution was simple, I acquired a second refrigerator
>> freezer, for $100 from a used appliance store, granted it's no frills
>> but no one sees it in my basement, twelve years later it's still
>> working fine. For very little money I have lots of both extra fridge
>> and freezer space... also solves the problem of what to do with the
>> produce from my vegetable garden. I like the idea of a second
>> fridge-freezer just in case my main unit stops working, I have a place
>> to move the food.
>>
>> > AND - in case any fridge designers are reading this -- how about a
>> > foot pedal to open the door when we're laden with stuff to put away?
>>
>> That won't solve the problem, you'll still have both arms full, get a
>> cart/small table on wheels... although a properly designed kitchen has
>> counter space adjacent to the fridge.
>
>Not a feasible solution for me. I live in a 1,000 sq. ft. condo with a
>galley style kitchen built in the late 70s. It was laid out quite well
>for then, but attitudes, designs and gadgets have changed drastically
>since then. My budget hasn't. sigh.

All you'd need is a small cart that folds for storage... how many
times do you shop in a week? Most times when I do a large shopping I
place all the bags on the kitchen floor, items for the fridge right
next to... more than half what I buy gets carried down to the
basement. I mostly use those cloth/insulated shopping bags. My only
shopping problem is keeping the cats out of the bags... Barny can claw
open a 20 pound bag of dried in a heart beat. I have to keep dried
cat food in 6 gallon galvanized covered pails, I have several. I'm
positive you don't buy more groceries than I do, I buy more groceries
in critter food than a family of ten.

Maybe you need to move, to a real house.

Brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 22:19:57 +0000 (UTC), "Yes"
> > wrote:
>
> > Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >
> >> Kalmia wrote:
> >> > Yes wrote:
> >> >> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers
> who >> make >> refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60%
> of the >> machine to >> freezer space and the remainder to cold
> space. It >> seems like the >> ratios for regular refrigerators may
> be 20% freezer >> and 80% cold.
> >> >
> >> > Why do you want so much freezer space? Are you 100 miles from
> your >> > food source? I'd rather have more COLD. For me, the
> freezer is >> > just a place to lose or forget stuff.
> >>
> >> For me the solution was simple, I acquired a second refrigerator
> >> freezer, for $100 from a used appliance store, granted it's no
> frills >> but no one sees it in my basement, twelve years later it's
> still >> working fine. For very little money I have lots of both
> extra fridge >> and freezer space... also solves the problem of what
> to do with the >> produce from my vegetable garden. I like the idea
> of a second >> fridge-freezer just in case my main unit stops
> working, I have a place >> to move the food.
> >>
> >> > AND - in case any fridge designers are reading this -- how about
> a >> > foot pedal to open the door when we're laden with stuff to put
> away? >>
> >> That won't solve the problem, you'll still have both arms full,
> get a >> cart/small table on wheels... although a properly designed
> kitchen has >> counter space adjacent to the fridge.
> >
> > Not a feasible solution for me. I live in a 1,000 sq. ft. condo
> > with a galley style kitchen built in the late 70s. It was laid out
> > quite well for then, but attitudes, designs and gadgets have
> > changed drastically since then. My budget hasn't. sigh.
>
> All you'd need is a small cart that folds for storage... how many
> times do you shop in a week? Most times when I do a large shopping I
> place all the bags on the kitchen floor, items for the fridge right
> next to... more than half what I buy gets carried down to the
> basement. I mostly use those cloth/insulated shopping bags. My only
> shopping problem is keeping the cats out of the bags... Barny can claw
> open a 20 pound bag of dried in a heart beat. I have to keep dried
> cat food in 6 gallon galvanized covered pails, I have several. I'm
> positive you don't buy more groceries than I do, I buy more groceries
> in critter food than a family of ten.
>
> Maybe you need to move, to a real house.

Have a spare $400K then?

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 8:30:09 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> That won't solve the problem, you'll still have both arms full, get a
> >> cart/small table on wheels... although a properly designed kitchen has
> >> counter space adjacent to the fridge.
> >

Most times when I do a large shopping I
> place all the bags on the kitchen floor, items for the fridge right
> next to... more than half what I buy gets carried down to the
> basement. I mostly use those cloth/insulated shopping bags.

It's not the post-shopping put-away I hate - it's stowing items after making a meal. It seems that some nights I have a zillion items to shove back in the fridge and I hate to have that door open longer than needed. I usually gather everything on the nearest counter, which is a few feet away from the fridge. (Fridge can't be placed anywhere else without renovating the whole kitchen.)
If dh is around, no problem, but if I'm alone, I like to have it all in the two hands and be able to whip that door open but fast and get the stuff put away.

I know it's a small problem, but I still hear my mother yell about keeping 'the door open too long'.

Kalmia wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 2:31:50 PM UTC-4, Yes wrote:
> > Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who
> > make refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the
> > machine to freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems
> > like the ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and
> > 80% cold.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > John
>
> Why do you want so much freezer space? Are you 100 miles from your
> food source? I'd rather have more COLD. For me, the freezer is just
> a place to lose or forget stuff.
>
> AND - in case any fridge designers are reading this -- how about a
> foot pedal to open the door when we're laden with stuff to put away?

Was curious. When I look around, it seems like the traditional fridge
has a ratio of - perhaps - 20% freezer and 80% cold space; you will
have to provide the actual ratios that are in use - I'm just guessing,
which I think I made plain in my original post. I wondered if there
were manufacturers who offered a different ratio of freezer and cold
space in a consumer, residential model. I certainly didn't think so
looking at the units offered by the high volume manufacturers. And I
phrased my question specifically to avoid commercial grade
refrigeration units because that segment is one probably beyond
anything I could afford/would want to pay and because that segment
probably will build a refrigeration unit to spec for a customer as long
as the customer can/will pay for it.

I look at how I'm using my fridge and these days I have more stuff in
the freezer than I used to have say 3 years ago. I'm not a huge
consumer. Most of the time, the cooler section of my fridge contains
one gallon of milk, a pint of water, a thing of butter and a few odds
and ends things that need to stay cold once opened. The most croweded
it usually gets is when I buy meat and some veggies prior to cooking.

My freezer usage is similar, except that the local grocers had a sale
on some stuff that I like and will eat over time. I would have stocked
up even more on them but ran out of space, which IS unusual for me
given my usage habits. Normally, my freezer usage habits are like
yours - lose or forget. I've changed my shopping habits to minimize
that particular problem, although it does still happen to me, just not
as often.

On 10/14/2015 6:43 PM, Yes wrote:
> My freezer usage is similar, except that the local grocers had a sale
> on some stuff that I like and will eat over time. I would have stocked
> up even more on them but ran out of space, which IS unusual for me
> given my usage habits. Normally, my freezer usage habits are like
> yours - lose or forget. I've changed my shopping habits to minimize
> that particular problem, although it does still happen to me, just not
> as often.

Speaking of freeze and forget, my newish french door style fridge has
the freezer compartment on the bottom, it's a wide drawer. At first I
wondered how I'd get used to it because the tallest items can't be
higher than about 10" in the deepest part of the freezer because it is a
configuration of a big wide drawer, and two smaller pull out drawers
over that that pull out independently. I've discovered that this
configuration is perfect for me even if I can't put anything tall in it
like a blender full of frozen beverage if I make more than 2 or 3
glasses. That works out because I've learned how to adjust to make sure
one batch will fill how ever many glasses of that frozen concoction that
I need for one serving, then just make more because you can't just have
one Mexican Mudslide. But the top drawers are perfect for frozen bread,
bags of frozen veggies, stuff like that. Works for me.

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On 15/10/2015 9:43 AM, Yes wrote:
> Kalmia wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 2:31:50 PM UTC-4, Yes wrote:
>>> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who
>>> make refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the
>>> machine to freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems
>>> like the ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and
>>> 80% cold.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> Why do you want so much freezer space? Are you 100 miles from your
>> food source? I'd rather have more COLD. For me, the freezer is just
>> a place to lose or forget stuff.
>>
>> AND - in case any fridge designers are reading this -- how about a
>> foot pedal to open the door when we're laden with stuff to put away?
>
> Was curious. When I look around, it seems like the traditional fridge
> has a ratio of - perhaps - 20% freezer and 80% cold space; you will
> have to provide the actual ratios that are in use - I'm just guessing,
> which I think I made plain in my original post. I wondered if there
> were manufacturers who offered a different ratio of freezer and cold
> space in a consumer, residential model. I certainly didn't think so
> looking at the units offered by the high volume manufacturers. And I
> phrased my question specifically to avoid commercial grade
> refrigeration units because that segment is one probably beyond
> anything I could afford/would want to pay and because that segment
> probably will build a refrigeration unit to spec for a customer as long
> as the customer can/will pay for it.
>
> I look at how I'm using my fridge and these days I have more stuff in
> the freezer than I used to have say 3 years ago. I'm not a huge
> consumer. Most of the time, the cooler section of my fridge contains
> one gallon of milk, a pint of water, a thing of butter and a few odds
> and ends things that need to stay cold once opened. The most croweded
> it usually gets is when I buy meat and some veggies prior to cooking.
>
> My freezer usage is similar, except that the local grocers had a sale
> on some stuff that I like and will eat over time. I would have stocked
> up even more on them but ran out of space, which IS unusual for me
> given my usage habits. Normally, my freezer usage habits are like
> yours - lose or forget. I've changed my shopping habits to minimize
> that particular problem, although it does still happen to me, just not
> as often.
>
Our solution to your perceived issue was to buy a standard 2 door
refridgerator, total capacity 420 litres, and a small dedicated freezer.

This was the refridgerator; http://tinyurl.com/ndjewkg
We recently purchased it to replace the 34 year old 360 litre Kelvinator
we had prior. It is a little larger than our old one but we now have a
little extra room if bargains appear than cannot be resisted. Most of
the time it is about 1/2 to 2/3rds full.
The freezer compartment is pretty much full all the time nowadays
however so the gain in the freezer compartment was seemingly worthwhile.

What we also have is a small dedicated freezer. It is about 180 litre
capacity, same brand as our refridgerator, but maybe about 5 or 6 years
old now.

There are a few advantages to having a separate dedicated freezer. One
is its ability to freeze items much more quickly than the freezer
compartment in a combo unit is able to do. It gives us a place to keep
long term frozen items. Since we are not opening and closing the door to
our freezer very often, it becomes more economical in terms of
electricity use. The final benefit to us is where we keep it. It lives
these days in a corner of our garage. Our new home had room for a larger
fridge/freezer combo but not a dedicated freezer. No problem, having it
as a separate entity gave us flexibility as to its location.

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Xeno wrote:

> On 15/10/2015 9:43 AM, Yes wrote:
> > Kalmia wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 2:31:50 PM UTC-4, Yes wrote:
> > > > Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers
> > > > who make refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60%
> > > > of the machine to freezer space and the remainder to cold
> > > > space. It seems like the ratios for regular refrigerators may
> > > > be 20% freezer and 80% cold.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > >
> > > Why do you want so much freezer space? Are you 100 miles from
> > > your food source? I'd rather have more COLD. For me, the freezer
> > > is just a place to lose or forget stuff.
> > >
> > > AND - in case any fridge designers are reading this -- how about a
> > > foot pedal to open the door when we're laden with stuff to put
> > > away?
> >
> > Was curious. When I look around, it seems like the traditional
> > fridge has a ratio of - perhaps - 20% freezer and 80% cold space;
> > you will have to provide the actual ratios that are in use - I'm
> > just guessing, which I think I made plain in my original post. I
> > wondered if there were manufacturers who offered a different ratio
> > of freezer and cold space in a consumer, residential model. I
> > certainly didn't think so looking at the units offered by the high
> > volume manufacturers. And I phrased my question specifically to
> > avoid commercial grade refrigeration units because that segment is
> > one probably beyond anything I could afford/would want to pay and
> > because that segment probably will build a refrigeration unit to
> > spec for a customer as long as the customer can/will pay for it.
> >
> > I look at how I'm using my fridge and these days I have more stuff
> > in the freezer than I used to have say 3 years ago. I'm not a huge
> > consumer. Most of the time, the cooler section of my fridge
> > contains one gallon of milk, a pint of water, a thing of butter and
> > a few odds and ends things that need to stay cold once opened. The
> > most croweded it usually gets is when I buy meat and some veggies
> > prior to cooking.
> >
> > My freezer usage is similar, except that the local grocers had a
> > sale on some stuff that I like and will eat over time. I would
> > have stocked up even more on them but ran out of space, which IS
> > unusual for me given my usage habits. Normally, my freezer usage
> > habits are like yours - lose or forget. I've changed my shopping
> > habits to minimize that particular problem, although it does still
> > happen to me, just not as often.
> >
> Our solution to your perceived issue was to buy a standard 2 door
> refridgerator, total capacity 420 litres, and a small dedicated
> freezer.
>
> This was the refridgerator; http://tinyurl.com/ndjewkg
> We recently purchased it to replace the 34 year old 360 litre
> Kelvinator we had prior. It is a little larger than our old one but
> we now have a little extra room if bargains appear than cannot be
> resisted. Most of the time it is about 1/2 to 2/3rds full. The
> freezer compartment is pretty much full all the time nowadays however
> so the gain in the freezer compartment was seemingly worthwhile.
>
> What we also have is a small dedicated freezer. It is about 180 litre
> capacity, same brand as our refridgerator, but maybe about 5 or 6
> years old now.
>
> There are a few advantages to having a separate dedicated freezer.
> One is its ability to freeze items much more quickly than the freezer
> compartment in a combo unit is able to do. It gives us a place to
> keep long term frozen items. Since we are not opening and closing the
> door to our freezer very often, it becomes more economical in terms
> of electricity use. The final benefit to us is where we keep it. It
> lives these days in a corner of our garage. Our new home had room for
> a larger fridge/freezer combo but not a dedicated freezer. No
> problem, having it as a separate entity gave us flexibility as to its
> location.

Not an option for me. No room to put another appliance. See earlier
post.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 1:31:50 PM UTC-5, Yes wrote:
> Off topic - Are there any consumer refrigerator manufacturers who make
> refrigerators for use in the home that devote say 60% of the machine to
> freezer space and the remainder to cold space. It seems like the
> ratios for regular refrigerators may be 20% freezer and 80% cold.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John

We recently bought a new LG four door refrigerator, two doors at the top and two large and roomy drawers at the bottom. I do no know that it is 40 % but the freezers are both roomy.It looks good too, stainless and sleek !

On 10/14/2015 6:48 PM, rosie wrote:

> We recently bought a new LG four door refrigerator, two doors at the
> top and two large and roomy drawers at the bottom. I do no know that
> it is 40 % but the freezers are both roomy.It looks good too,
> stainless and sleek !

I love the look of stainless! Glad you like yours too!

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Cheryl

On 15/10/2015 1:05 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 10/14/2015 6:48 PM, rosie wrote:
>
>> We recently bought a new LG four door refrigerator, two doors at the
>> top and two large and roomy drawers at the bottom. I do no know that
>> it is 40 % but the freezers are both roomy.It looks good too,
>> stainless and sleek !
>
> I love the look of stainless! Glad you like yours too!
>
I don't like the look of stainless which is why I bought this;

http://tinyurl.com/ndjewkg

I prefer my whitegoods to be, well, white! ;-)


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