On 6/28/2015 9:10 AM, sf wrote:


> My friend bought a NYC apartment a year ago that was decked
> out in Viking (maybe it's Wolf) appliances and one of those two drawer
> Fisher Paykel dishwashers. She hates the dishwasher drawers because
> they are too small for her dishes and the wash cycle takes hours to
> complete.

The drawer DW looks like it would be practical for doing small loads,
but I've not heard much good about them.

All the higher efficiency DW have a long cycle. We bought a new KA
about a year ago. It has a 1 hour cycle, but the full cycle takes about
4 hours. That is usually not a problem for us as it is started in the
evening and won't be touched until the next day. Does a fantastic job on
the dishes though

On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 10:34:57 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> All the higher efficiency DW have a long cycle. We bought a new KA
> about a year ago. It has a 1 hour cycle, but the full cycle takes about
> 4 hours. That is usually not a problem for us as it is started in the
> evening and won't be touched until the next day. Does a fantastic job on
> the dishes though

4 hours wouldn't be so good for those days when I run the dishwasher three
times. What's the difference between the 1-hour cycle and the 4-hour
cycle?

Cindy Hamilton

On 6/28/2015 1:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 10:34:57 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> All the higher efficiency DW have a long cycle. We bought a new KA
>> about a year ago. It has a 1 hour cycle, but the full cycle takes about
>> 4 hours. That is usually not a problem for us as it is started in the
>> evening and won't be touched until the next day. Does a fantastic job on
>> the dishes though
>
> 4 hours wouldn't be so good for those days when I run the dishwasher three
> times. What's the difference between the 1-hour cycle and the 4-hour
> cycle?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

3 Hours? It does just as good of a job when I do use it. I've not
tried it on really heavy duty baked on washes, but for dishes and
glassware, it gets the job done. My guess is that it uses a less
efficient, but very adequate method.

On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 1:36:19 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/28/2015 1:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 10:34:57 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> >> All the higher efficiency DW have a long cycle. We bought a new KA
> >> about a year ago. It has a 1 hour cycle, but the full cycle takes about
> >> 4 hours. That is usually not a problem for us as it is started in the
> >> evening and won't be touched until the next day. Does a fantastic job on
> >> the dishes though
> >
> > 4 hours wouldn't be so good for those days when I run the dishwasher three
> > times. What's the difference between the 1-hour cycle and the 4-hour
> > cycle?
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
>
> 3 Hours? It does just as good of a job when I do use it. I've not
> tried it on really heavy duty baked on washes, but for dishes and
> glassware, it gets the job done. My guess is that it uses a less
> efficient, but very adequate method.

Ah. I wondered if the 1-hour cycle was "gentle" or something. My
Kenmore has maybe half a dozen different cycles. I use one of
them 99% of the time, and the "quick rinse" once in a blue moon.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 4:12:44 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

===
>
> Ah. I wondered if the 1-hour cycle was "gentle" or something. My
> Kenmore has maybe half a dozen different cycles. I use one of
> them 99% of the time, and the "quick rinse" once in a blue moon.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I use the one hour choice just to cut down on the sound and the waiting, plus it seems to use less water. I just let em dry in there with the door open - I have NEVER used the heat element in any dw I've owned.

In an hour or two, they are ready to remove and stash, and they seem pretty darn clean to me.

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:54:43 -0300, wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:12:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 1:36:19 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2015 1:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> > On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 10:34:57 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> All the higher efficiency DW have a long cycle. We bought a new KA
>>> >> about a year ago. It has a 1 hour cycle, but the full cycle takes about
>>> >> 4 hours. That is usually not a problem for us as it is started in the
>>> >> evening and won't be touched until the next day. Does a fantastic job on
>>> >> the dishes though
>>> >
>>> > 4 hours wouldn't be so good for those days when I run the dishwasher three
>>> > times. What's the difference between the 1-hour cycle and the 4-hour
>>> > cycle?
>>> >
>>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>> >
>>>
>>> 3 Hours? It does just as good of a job when I do use it. I've not
>>> tried it on really heavy duty baked on washes, but for dishes and
>>> glassware, it gets the job done. My guess is that it uses a less
>>> efficient, but very adequate method.
>>
>>Ah. I wondered if the 1-hour cycle was "gentle" or something. My
>>Kenmore has maybe half a dozen different cycles. I use one of
>>them 99% of the time, and the "quick rinse" once in a blue moon.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>I use the 'regular' cycle and unless something is really baked on to
>the pan, it does pans and all.

My Maytag's regular cycle lasts 60 minutes, does an excellent job even
on crusty roasting pans. The longer cycle takes 90 minutes, includes
a Sanitize function... gets very hot, after the wash is over the door
won't open for an hour, like the self clean on the oven. Even when I
can finally open the washer everything is still too hot to handle. I
don't use that long cycle unless it's a very full load of dirty
dishes. But mostly I hand wash, even a bunch of dishes and pots takes
me at the most 15 minutes... and my pots are all cleaned before I
serve dinner, I clean as I cook so there isn't much to do after
dinner, all bowls, utensils, etc. are already cleaned and stowed. With
an extra large sink clean up goes quickly, and water isn't wasted as I
use a plastic dishwashing pan in the sink for hot soapy water, and I
wear thick nitrile gloves so I don't feel the full hot water.
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/pag...99&cat=1,42207

On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 6:51:03 PM UTC-6, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:54:43 -0300, wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:12:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 1:36:19 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 6/28/2015 1:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> > On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 10:34:57 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> All the higher efficiency DW have a long cycle. We bought a new KA
> >>> >> about a year ago. It has a 1 hour cycle, but the full cycle takes about
> >>> >> 4 hours. That is usually not a problem for us as it is started in the
> >>> >> evening and won't be touched until the next day. Does a fantastic job on
> >>> >> the dishes though
> >>> >
> >>> > 4 hours wouldn't be so good for those days when I run the dishwasher three
> >>> > times. What's the difference between the 1-hour cycle and the 4-hour
> >>> > cycle?
> >>> >
> >>> > Cindy Hamilton
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> 3 Hours? It does just as good of a job when I do use it. I've not
> >>> tried it on really heavy duty baked on washes, but for dishes and
> >>> glassware, it gets the job done. My guess is that it uses a less
> >>> efficient, but very adequate method.
> >>
> >>Ah. I wondered if the 1-hour cycle was "gentle" or something. My
> >>Kenmore has maybe half a dozen different cycles. I use one of
> >>them 99% of the time, and the "quick rinse" once in a blue moon.
> >>
> >>Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >I use the 'regular' cycle and unless something is really baked on to
> >the pan, it does pans and all.
>
> My Maytag's regular cycle lasts 60 minutes, does an excellent job even
> on crusty roasting pans. The longer cycle takes 90 minutes, includes
> a Sanitize function... gets very hot, after the wash is over the door
> won't open for an hour, like the self clean on the oven. Even when I
> can finally open the washer everything is still too hot to handle. I
> don't use that long cycle unless it's a very full load of dirty
> dishes. But mostly I hand wash, even a bunch of dishes and pots takes
> me at the most 15 minutes... and my pots are all cleaned before I
> serve dinner, I clean as I cook so there isn't much to do after
> dinner, all bowls, utensils, etc. are already cleaned and stowed. With
> an extra large sink clean up goes quickly, and water isn't wasted as I
> use a plastic dishwashing pan in the sink for hot soapy water, and I
> wear thick nitrile gloves so I don't feel the full hot water.
> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/pag...99&cat=1,42207

Gawd, I wish I was as perfect as you seem to be. But...I'm not so I'll
have to live with what I am...just an ordinary Joe.
====

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:03:38 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 6:51:03 PM UTC-6, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:54:43 -0300, wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:12:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 1:36:19 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>> On 6/28/2015 1:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >>> > On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 10:34:57 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> All the higher efficiency DW have a long cycle. We bought a new KA
>> >>> >> about a year ago. It has a 1 hour cycle, but the full cycle takes about
>> >>> >> 4 hours. That is usually not a problem for us as it is started in the
>> >>> >> evening and won't be touched until the next day. Does a fantastic job on
>> >>> >> the dishes though
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 4 hours wouldn't be so good for those days when I run the dishwasher three
>> >>> > times. What's the difference between the 1-hour cycle and the 4-hour
>> >>> > cycle?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> 3 Hours? It does just as good of a job when I do use it. I've not
>> >>> tried it on really heavy duty baked on washes, but for dishes and
>> >>> glassware, it gets the job done. My guess is that it uses a less
>> >>> efficient, but very adequate method.
>> >>
>> >>Ah. I wondered if the 1-hour cycle was "gentle" or something. My
>> >>Kenmore has maybe half a dozen different cycles. I use one of
>> >>them 99% of the time, and the "quick rinse" once in a blue moon.
>> >>
>> >>Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> >I use the 'regular' cycle and unless something is really baked on to
>> >the pan, it does pans and all.
>>
>> My Maytag's regular cycle lasts 60 minutes, does an excellent job even
>> on crusty roasting pans. The longer cycle takes 90 minutes, includes
>> a Sanitize function... gets very hot, after the wash is over the door
>> won't open for an hour, like the self clean on the oven. Even when I
>> can finally open the washer everything is still too hot to handle. I
>> don't use that long cycle unless it's a very full load of dirty
>> dishes. But mostly I hand wash, even a bunch of dishes and pots takes
>> me at the most 15 minutes... and my pots are all cleaned before I
>> serve dinner, I clean as I cook so there isn't much to do after
>> dinner, all bowls, utensils, etc. are already cleaned and stowed. With
>> an extra large sink clean up goes quickly, and water isn't wasted as I
>> use a plastic dishwashing pan in the sink for hot soapy water, and I
>> wear thick nitrile gloves so I don't feel the full hot water.
>> http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/pag...99&cat=1,42207
>
>Gawd, I wish I was as perfect as you seem to be. But...I'm not so I'll
>have to live with what I am...just an ordinary Joe.

Don't dispair, we all can't have the same perfections,
so rejoice in how you're a perfect asshole.

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 10:34:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 6/28/2015 9:10 AM, sf wrote:
>
>
> > My friend bought a NYC apartment a year ago that was decked
> > out in Viking (maybe it's Wolf) appliances and one of those two drawer
> > Fisher Paykel dishwashers. She hates the dishwasher drawers because
> > they are too small for her dishes and the wash cycle takes hours to
> > complete.
>
> The drawer DW looks like it would be practical for doing small loads,
> but I've not heard much good about them.
>
> All the higher efficiency DW have a long cycle. We bought a new KA
> about a year ago. It has a 1 hour cycle, but the full cycle takes about
> 4 hours. That is usually not a problem for us as it is started in the
> evening and won't be touched until the next day. Does a fantastic job on
> the dishes though

I think that's about how long it takes hers to cycle, so I'll pass on
the information to her. Personally, I find even 90 minutes too
annoying so I use the Quick Wash cycle. I've never timed it, but it's
long - just not as long as the full cycle.

--

sf