Coffee protects against cirrhosis of the liver.
This is not a small effect -- risk reduced
by more than half for one cup daily, more than
80% for three cups.

http://www.natap.org/2014/HCV/hep27032.pdf

http://folk.uio.no/runeb/pdf%2520fil...20Coffee .pdf

These are not articles in women's magazines
or tabloid newspapers. They are articles in
refereed, peer-reviewed medical journals.

Coffee protects against dementia and Alzheimer's
Disease. Again, a big risk reduction -- about
two-thirds reduction in risk for 3 to 5 cups
daily.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/41562356_Caffeine_as_a_protective_factor_in_dement ia_and_Alzheimer's_disease/file/d912f5100f5d1ec4be.pdf

http://health.usf.edu/nocms/publicaf.../JAD111781.pdf

http://www.federacioncafe.com/Docume...zheimers09.pdf

Other so-called "superfoods" like blueberries
and chocolate don't deliver results like this!
Coffee is the 800 lb. gorilla of superfoods.

Mark Thorson > wrote in
:

> Other so-called "superfoods" like blueberries
> and chocolate don't deliver results like this!
> Coffee is the 800 lb. gorilla of superfoods.

In that case, anyone who did sea duty in the United States Navy should live
forever...

Mark Thorazine wrote:
>
>Coffee protects against cirrhosis of the liver.

But obviously no protectiom from Schizophrenia, Mark.

On 2014-09-24, Alan Holbrook > wrote:

> In that case, anyone who did sea duty in the United States Navy should live
> forever...

You think squids hadda monopoly on bad GI coffee!? Fat chance.

As an ex fly-boy, I was weened on coffee so nasty, it could strip
chrome offa ball hitch. The only way I could gag it down was, mix it
50% java, 25% reconsituted milk, and 25% sugar. The only reason I
began drinking the dreck is, we had two 15 min breaks per day. It was
drink coffee and smoke a butt or twiddle yer thumbs. I learned to
drink coffee. To this day, I still drink coffee black, cuz the stuff
in the Air Force was so bad, everything else is a step up. OTOH, I
prolly shoulda pulled a WC Feilds and wheezed out, years ago.

nb

On 2014-09-24 11:17 AM, notbob wrote:

>
> As an ex fly-boy, I was weened on coffee so nasty, it could strip
> chrome offa ball hitch.

I thought that chrome off a ball hitch was a metaphor for suction. I
guess the coffee really sucked.




> 50% java, 25% reconsituted milk, and 25% sugar. The only reason I
> began drinking the dreck is, we had two 15 min breaks per day. It was
> drink coffee and smoke a butt or twiddle yer thumbs. I learned to
> drink coffee. To this day, I still drink coffee black, cuz the stuff
> in the Air Force was so bad, everything else is a step up. OTOH, I
> prolly shoulda pulled a WC Feilds and wheezed out, years ago.

NA coffee is much better now than it was about 40 years ago. I grew up
in a tea drinking house and my mother only made coffee for her bridge
club. I started drinking coffee at a German friend's house when I was
about 11 but it was usually instant, often mixed with cocoa. Later on I
had a couple friends, one Czech and one Dutch, whose mothers made
excellent coffee. I developed a taste for it there. It was not until
about 1970 and Melitta filters and drip coffee came along that I started
getting good coffee again.

On 2014-09-24, Dave Smith > wrote:

> about 1970 and Melitta filters and drip coffee came along that I started
> getting good coffee again.

I'm still a devout java drinker, but not so much as a few yrs back,
when I had a real espresso machine and grinder and usta roast my own
beans. I've become lazier in my old age and am back to buying good
coffee and using a Melitta drip, a French press, or a moka pot for the
end product. I've also begun drinking exotic teas. It's all good.


nb

On 24/09/2014 10:02 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-09-24 11:17 AM, notbob wrote:
>
>>
>> As an ex fly-boy, I was weened on coffee so nasty, it could strip
>> chrome offa ball hitch.
>
> I thought that chrome off a ball hitch was a metaphor for suction. I
> guess the coffee really sucked.
>
>
>
>
>> 50% java, 25% reconsituted milk, and 25% sugar. The only reason I
>> began drinking the dreck is, we had two 15 min breaks per day. It was
>> drink coffee and smoke a butt or twiddle yer thumbs. I learned to
>> drink coffee. To this day, I still drink coffee black, cuz the stuff
>> in the Air Force was so bad, everything else is a step up. OTOH, I
>> prolly shoulda pulled a WC Feilds and wheezed out, years ago.
>
> NA coffee is much better now than it was about 40 years ago. I grew up
> in a tea drinking house and my mother only made coffee for her bridge
> club. I started drinking coffee at a German friend's house when I was
> about 11 but it was usually instant, often mixed with cocoa. Later on I
> had a couple friends, one Czech and one Dutch, whose mothers made
> excellent coffee. I developed a taste for it there. It was not until
> about 1970 and Melitta filters and drip coffee came along that I started
> getting good coffee again.
>
>
USians, of which there were thousands in the UK when I was young, always
poked fun at the lousy coffee that the Brits made.
It was *never* as bad as a lot of the brewed and perked coffee I tasted
when I came to this side of the pond.
Graham

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:40:01 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > Coffee protects against cirrhosis of the liver.
>
> If only they'd start serving those small 2oz sample cups at Trader
> Joe's after 12:PM again, eh?

They've always had them when I'm there,
which is sometimes in the afternoon.

But of course, those little cups are not
nearly enough.

On 2014-09-24 3:59 PM, graham wrote:

>> NA coffee is much better now than it was about 40 years ago. I grew up
>> in a tea drinking house and my mother only made coffee for her bridge
>> club. I started drinking coffee at a German friend's house when I was
>> about 11 but it was usually instant, often mixed with cocoa. Later on I
>> had a couple friends, one Czech and one Dutch, whose mothers made
>> excellent coffee. I developed a taste for it there. It was not until
>> about 1970 and Melitta filters and drip coffee came along that I started
>> getting good coffee again.
>>
>>
> USians, of which there were thousands in the UK when I was young, always
> poked fun at the lousy coffee that the Brits made.
> It was *never* as bad as a lot of the brewed and perked coffee I tasted
> when I came to this side of the pond.


When I was younger I always thought that American coffee was much better
than what we were being served in Canada. No wonder we had so many tea
drinkers.

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

>> USians, of which there were thousands in the UK when I was
>> young, always poked fun at the lousy coffee that the Brits
>> made. It was *never* as bad as a lot of the brewed and perked
>> coffee I tasted when I came to this side of the pond.
>
> When I was younger I always thought that American coffee was
> much better than what we were being served in Canada. No
> wonder we had so many tea drinkers.

My parents were touring in France in the early 60's and were
staying at a hotel in Bordeaux. After the meal, which was
excellent, my mother asked if they served coffee and the waiter
said, yes, they did. She asked if it was fresh. Insulted, he
replied: "Yes madame, we made it this morning!" She found that
very funny.

By the time I went to France in late '73, the only coffee you
could get was espresso. If I want good coffee in restaurants, I
order espresso or go to a Vietnamese joint and order the hot
drip. They make it in a single cup with sweet condensed milk and
still it is quite bitter. It's an acquired taste although it
didn't take me long to acquire it, I assure you. Yumyum.

http://www.howtobrewcoffee.com/image...add_coffee.jpg

At home we order Doi Chaai single estate beans from Costco. The
coffee is low (or no) acid which I can drink black. There is no
need to adulterate it with either cream or sugar.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:13:47 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:40:01 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
> >
> > > Coffee protects against cirrhosis of the liver.
> >
> > If only they'd start serving those small 2oz sample cups at Trader
> > Joe's after 12:PM again, eh?
>
> They've always had them when I'm there,
> which is sometimes in the afternoon.
>
> But of course, those little cups are not
> nearly enough.

Agree. Coffee is served all day and you can always go back for more.
I think I've taken a free sample exactly once though. I don't want to
stand there sipping coffee and I want both hands free when I shop.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 9/24/2014 12:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-09-24 11:17 AM, notbob wrote:
>
>>
>> As an ex fly-boy, I was weened on coffee so nasty, it could strip
>> chrome offa ball hitch.


> NA coffee is much better now than it was about 40 years ago. I grew up
> in a tea drinking house and my mother only made coffee for her bridge
> club.

The running joke in this house is that the only people drinking black
coffee is hung over sailors and that sophisticated people drink tea.
IMO, the only thing worse than black coffee is iced coffee.

In reality, I buy my wife the world's best beans, grind them, and use a
Technivorm Moccamaster to brew them. I still prefer tea.

On 2014-09-24 6:28 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:

>> When I was younger I always thought that American coffee was
>> much better than what we were being served in Canada. No
>> wonder we had so many tea drinkers.
>
> My parents were touring in France in the early 60's and were
> staying at a hotel in Bordeaux. After the meal, which was
> excellent, my mother asked if they served coffee and the waiter
> said, yes, they did. She asked if it was fresh. Insulted, he
> replied: "Yes madame, we made it this morning!" She found that
> very funny.
>
> By the time I went to France in late '73, the only coffee you
> could get was espresso. If I want good coffee in restaurants, I
> order espresso or go to a Vietnamese joint and order the hot
> drip. They make it in a single cup with sweet condensed milk and
> still it is quite bitter. It's an acquired taste although it
> didn't take me long to acquire it, I assure you. Yumyum.


My first trip to Europe was in 1993. The coffee in France was
incredible. It was also very expensive.

>

Dave Smith > wrote in news:hmIUv.520520
:

> My first trip to Europe was in 1993. The coffee in France was
> incredible. It was also very expensive.

My mother said the coffee was better in Italy. When she arrived
somewhere, she would walk around, smelling the coffee as it
wafted out into the streets. She would choose which place to
have coffee by this method and she swore she was never
disappointed.

The Italian (espresso) method is pretty much the norm in all of
Western Europe by now. When I was in Spain in 1967, every bar
and restaurant I went to only served espresso or cafe con leche.
None of those other foofy drinks. There might have been regions
of Spain without the ubiquitous Faema machines (I didn't go
everywhere), but Andalucia and Castile were well represented.

When I returned from Spain, I worked nights serving drinks at the
famous Le Hibou coffee house on Sussex Drive. The coffee we
served was not the best but I suspect the people of Ottawa were
not yet ready for a real kleiner brauner mit schlag or a proper
ristretto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Hibou_Coffee_House

For one thing, the beans were stale by the time they were
purchased because there wasn't enough demand. Maybe in Little
Italy...

Also, roasters were virtually unknown until about fifteen or so
years ago and now Ottawa has more than enough of them.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

notbob > wrote in
:

> On 2014-09-24, Alan Holbrook > wrote:
>
>> In that case, anyone who did sea duty in the United States Navy
>> should live forever...
>
> You think squids hadda monopoly on bad GI coffee!? Fat chance.
>
Well, I didn't actually say the coffee in the Nav was bad, just that we
drank a lot of it. As a matter of fact, the coffee, even on board ship
wasn't too bad at all.

We did have one problem, though. Making the 50-cup urn of coffee in the
comm shack (we went through 3 of those in an 8 hour watch) was the job of
the newest young kid checking on board the ship. And there were two taps
in the space where he filled the urn with water, one fresh water and one
salt water. At least once a cruise, he'd screw it up and make a pot with
salt water. The chief of the watch used to earn his combat pay by tasting
the first cup of any newly brewed pot.

(BTW, that was not truly a sea story, since all true sea stories start out
"And this is no shit...")

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> Oh, that's right. You complained because they downsized their 4oz
> sample cups by 20%, requiring you to get a refill. It was Steve
> Scharf (SMS) that complained that they weren't providing samples at
> his store after 2:00pm.

More like 5 or 10%.

Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> Coffee protects against cirrhosis of the liver.
> This is not a small effect -- risk reduced
> by more than half for one cup daily, more than
> 80% for three cups.
>
> http://www.natap.org/2014/HCV/hep27032.pdf
>
> http://folk.uio.no/runeb/pdf%2520fil...20Coffee .pdf

Whoops! Bad link. Here it is corrected:

http://folk.uio.no/runeb/pdf%20filer...3%20Coffee.pdf

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:00:00 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
snipped
>
>When I was younger I always thought that American coffee was much better
>than what we were being served in Canada. No wonder we had so many tea
>drinkers.
>
Yes, my grand parents- dead over 40 years thought Postum was good.
(but then Postum was made from coconut shells etc..so...) OMG. I so
wish I could give them what I grow- although it ISN'T ripe yet..

aloha,
Cea

On 9/24/2014 6:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/24/2014 12:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-09-24 11:17 AM, notbob wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> As an ex fly-boy, I was weened on coffee so nasty, it could strip
>>> chrome offa ball hitch.
>
>
>> NA coffee is much better now than it was about 40 years ago. I grew up
>> in a tea drinking house and my mother only made coffee for her bridge
>> club.
>
> The running joke in this house is that the only people drinking black
> coffee is hung over sailors and that sophisticated people drink tea.
> IMO, the only thing worse than black coffee is iced coffee.
>
> In reality, I buy my wife the world's best beans, grind them, and use a
> Technivorm Moccamaster to brew them. I still prefer tea.

Agrees with you about iced coffee, and I wish I liked it, I have several
friends who do. I avoid caffeine, but I used to order Vietnamese coffee
back in the old days and they always brought me a glass of ice, which
sat there and melted.

Becca

On 2014-09-26 10:13 AM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:

>> In reality, I buy my wife the world's best beans, grind them, and use a
>> Technivorm Moccamaster to brew them. I still prefer tea.
>
> Agrees with you about iced coffee, and I wish I liked it, I have several
> friends who do. I avoid caffeine, but I used to order Vietnamese coffee
> back in the old days and they always brought me a glass of ice, which
> sat there and melted.
>

I am with you there. I really enjoy coffee. I start the day with an
espresso. I go to a local coffee shop every day to do my crossword and
enjoy a nice hot cup of coffee. I have a coffee after dinner. I have
never enjoyed iced coffee. Not straight, black, with dairy or
sugar.Cold coffee is just plain nasty.

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:46:33 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> Your complaint seems even MORE petty
> now that you claim the decrease in a FREE SAMPLE size was only a mere
> 7 or 8%.
>
> -sw

Your doctor should be the one drawing blood and testing it, not you.
I currently take .2mg Synthroid but you don't see me drawing my own
blood and testing it using my employers resources (as Kathleen has
openly admitted a few times).

-sw

On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:34:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-09-26 10:13 AM, Becca EmaNymton wrote:
>
>>> In reality, I buy my wife the world's best beans, grind them, and use a
>>> Technivorm Moccamaster to brew them. I still prefer tea.
>>
>> Agrees with you about iced coffee, and I wish I liked it, I have several
>> friends who do. I avoid caffeine, but I used to order Vietnamese coffee
>> back in the old days and they always brought me a glass of ice, which
>> sat there and melted.
>>
>
>I am with you there. I really enjoy coffee. I start the day with an
>espresso. I go to a local coffee shop every day to do my crossword and
>enjoy a nice hot cup of coffee. I have a coffee after dinner.

I have my two double lattes each morning (as I am right now).
I can't imagine starting the day without them...

>I have
>never enjoyed iced coffee. Not straight, black, with dairy or
>sugar.Cold coffee is just plain nasty.

I've had nice iced coffee, but really nicely made ones are few and far
between and I don't really look for them any more.