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"Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message ... >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 02:36:29 -0700, "Julie Bove" >> > wrote: >> >>> I am really sick of hearing the "lose a foot" thing. That's just nasty. >> >> My sister's friend has been diabetic for decades (no idea if it's type >> 1 or 2) and has diabetic sores that don't heal. Gangrene is an issue, >> so she's considering amputation below the knee as a prophylactic >> measure because she's sick and tired of dealing with the sores and >> pain. The thought of voluntary amputation totally grosses me out. > > Indeed but there is no proof that using artificial sweetener would cause that. No, but artificial sweeteners are linked to glucose intolerance AKA "pre"-diabetes, which leads to diabetes, which can lead to a foot amputation. |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 02:36:29 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: >"Oregonian Haruspex" > wrote in message ... >> >> Artificial sweeteners are just poison. Train yourself to avoid them or >> lose a foot, your vision, and eventually your life. > >I am really sick of hearing the "lose a foot" thing. That's just nasty. You'd think you would be sick of the taste of your feet by now, maybe that's what all the soda is for - to get rid of the taste. Just do us all a favour and don't change your lifestyle. |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:51:50 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote: > >"Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > >> We used to have a guy on the diabetes food newsgroup who was always saying >> how he couldn't eat this or eat that because he didn't want to lose a >> foot. That's just plain silly and insulting to those who have had to have >> an amputation. Of course amputation happens. And not always to >> diabetics. But it sure doesn't happen just because you ate some sort of >> food. > >Many times it's a combination of a whole lot of bad foods that diabetics eat >that leads to poor control that leads to amputation and blindness. No >denying that. LOL, you wanna bet? This is Julie you're talking to... |
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:09:07 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote: >"Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > >> But my point is, every time someone makes what I think is a nasty comment, >> "Lose a foot", they are hurling an insult. Neither of these women did >> anything bad. Or ate wrongly. And yet some people think it is fine and >> dandy to go around saying, "I won't eat that because I don't want to lose >> a foot!" > >Not an insult at all. Is it an insult/nasty comment when someone says I >won't smoke because I don't want to lose a lung? Many people who never >smoked have/had lung cancer but saying that in no way is insulting them. I >don't want to carry this on here, so moving forward. I know why you want to move forward, but maybe avoiding a likely undesirable outcome isn't the best approach in the long run? |
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 12:07:20 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>Julie Bove wrote: >> >> But we were talking about artificial sweeteners and using those have never >> been proven to cause someone to lose a foot. > >Julie! You almost lost a foot a couple of months ago due to walking >around all day with a nail in your shoe poking you every step. Wake >up. My comment has nothing to do about diet coke but all to do about >foot numbness due to diabetes. It won't matter who says what, Gary. |
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 11:25:28 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote: >On Friday, September 19, 2014 11:43:19 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote: >> >> Uh no. Not for diabetes. I meant the word "control". When my psoriasis is >> >> flaring up would you say that my psoriasis it out of control? No. How >> >> about a person with arthritis who is in pain? Is their arthritis out of >> >> control? No. But have fluctuating blood sugar and suddenly your diabetes >> >> is out of control. > >You have psoriasis as well as all those other ailments? My gawd Julie, you are a wreck. Pretty much all self-inflicted, despite her denials. |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 18:47:11 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>On 9/19/2014 6:14 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote: >> I have a dead brother-in-law because he never paid any attention to >> what he ate. He gradually declined. Was hospitalized yearly. Was >> warned again and again. Then he couldn't walk. Then he barely talked. >> Then he was dead. >> Janet US >> > >Very sorry for your loss and the difficult degradation you had to watch >happen. > >I think your story will reach others who might not be as far along the path. With one notable exception, of course. |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:44:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: >"sf" > wrote in message .. . >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:15:33 -0400, Dave Smith >> > wrote: >> >>> On 2014-09-19 11:47 AM, sf wrote: >>> > On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 02:36:29 -0700, "Julie Bove" >>> > > wrote: >>> > >>> >> I am really sick of hearing the "lose a foot" thing. That's just >>> >> nasty. >>> > >>> > My sister's friend has been diabetic for decades (no idea if it's type >>> > 1 or 2) and has diabetic sores that don't heal. Gangrene is an issue, >>> > so she's considering amputation below the knee as a prophylactic >>> > measure because she's sick and tired of dealing with the sores and >>> > pain. The thought of voluntary amputation totally grosses me out. >>> >>> One might have expected that Julie's brush with a serious infection >>> resulting from a minor injury might have been a clue for her. > >My serious infection came about from bungling Drs. Oh what absolute bullshit! >And none of this has >anything to do with sweeteners which is what we were talking about. >> >> De Nile isn't just a river in Egypt. > >None of this has anything to do with what I was talking about. My serious >infection was sepsis. Systemic throughout the body. Take some responsibility for yourself, just for once. You self-centred, irresponsible and narcissistic waste of space. |
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On Saturday, September 20, 2014 8:23:10 PM UTC-5, Je�us wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 02:36:29 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > > wrote: > > > > >"Oregonian Haruspex" > wrote in message > > ... > > >> > > >> Artificial sweeteners are just poison. Train yourself to avoid them or > > >> lose a foot, your vision, and eventually your life. > > > > > >I am really sick of hearing the "lose a foot" thing. That's just nasty. > > > > You'd think you would be sick of the taste of your feet by now, maybe > > that's what all the soda is for - to get rid of the taste. > There's NO WAY that Julie can get her foot into her mouth. You'd have to be super limber and svelte to do that...Oh, you mean metaphorically. > > Just do us all a favour and don't change your lifestyle. Are you saying that the NG would be better off if Julie died or became too ill to post here? --Bryan |
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:12:19 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote: >On Saturday, September 20, 2014 8:23:10 PM UTC-5, Je�us wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 02:36:29 -0700, "Julie Bove" >> >> > wrote: >> >"Oregonian Haruspex" > wrote in message >> ... >> >> >> Artificial sweeteners are just poison. Train yourself to avoid them or >> >> >> lose a foot, your vision, and eventually your life. >> >> >I am really sick of hearing the "lose a foot" thing. That's just nasty. >> >> You'd think you would be sick of the taste of your feet by now, maybe >> >> that's what all the soda is for - to get rid of the taste. >> >There's NO WAY that Julie can get her foot into her mouth. You'd have >to be super limber and svelte to do that...Oh, you mean metaphorically. Yessum. >> Just do us all a favour and don't change your lifestyle. > >Are you saying that the NG would be better off if Julie died or became >too ill to post here? Partly. I was thinking about society in general. People like her are a cancer on society. |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> >>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message >>> >>>>> And I was responding to "nothing nasty about the truth and consequence >>>>> of poorly controlled diabetes" of which you are a poster child for a >>>>> lot of medical reasons. >>>> >>>> I still think we could come up with a better term. >>> >>> What better term? Insulinitis? LOL, a rose by any other name..... >>> >> >> Uh no. Not for diabetes. I meant the word "control". When my psoriasis >> is flaring up would you say that my psoriasis it out of control? No. >> How about a person with arthritis who is in pain? Is their arthritis out >> of control? No. But have fluctuating blood sugar and suddenly your >> diabetes is out of control. > > Are there a whole lot of foods that cause psoriasis flare ups? Arthritis? > Not that I know of, but not long ago you were talking about the foods your > husband needs to avoid to stio flare ups of his gout. If he continues to > eat those foods day in and day out and then whines about it when he's > hurting, then I would say he and his gout are out of control. I don't know if there are food that cause psoriasis to flare. For me, the sun does. For most others the sun makes it better. But arthritis? Yes, for many food does affect it. Mostly nightshades and wheat. But some people find that food doesn't affect it. As for the gout, which is a form of arthritis, they no longer recommend the gout diet. But if a person knows that something will cause a flare, they would do best to avoid it. A you can see there is no one size fits all. Just as for diabetes. |
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"Gary" > wrote in message ... > Julie Bove wrote: >> >> But we were talking about artificial sweeteners and using those have >> never >> been proven to cause someone to lose a foot. > > Julie! You almost lost a foot a couple of months ago due to walking > around all day with a nail in your shoe poking you every step. Wake > up. My comment has nothing to do about diet coke but all to do about > foot numbness due to diabetes. Uh, no. I didn't almost lose a foot. Yes, I had an infection. And I hooked up with some bad Drs. that caused me many more problems by performing an operation that I likely didn't need. And on top of that all by causing a fungal infection and then pushing that deep into my system by what they did. I was told that anyone who had stepped on a nail could have had the sort of infection that I got. Just the fact of stepping on it could have caused that. The fact that I stepped on it repeatedly didn't really matter. Why? They said that not only could the nail have had organisms on it but the bottom of my boot likely did and the nail going through that would have pushed all that into my foot. Every person at the hospital said that the infection was clearing nicely. They did an MRI and there was nothing internally damaged. They could not see why I had the operation done. And the Dr. at the next hospital I had to go into due to sepsis that the foot Dr. caused, told me that I could have a lawsuit on my hands. I am not going to pursue that for various reasons. But those people are no longer my Drs. |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... > >> But my point is, every time someone makes what I think is a nasty >> comment, "Lose a foot", they are hurling an insult. Neither of these >> women did anything bad. Or ate wrongly. And yet some people think it is >> fine and dandy to go around saying, "I won't eat that because I don't >> want to lose a foot!" > > Not an insult at all. Is it an insult/nasty comment when someone says I > won't smoke because I don't want to lose a lung? Many people who never > smoked have/had lung cancer but saying that in no way is insulting them. I > don't want to carry this on here, so moving forward. In my opinion, yes. That would be an insult! And you are correct that many people who never smoked have lung cancer. All the more reason that it would be an insult. It's like putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. I was reading something earlier today about acute pancreatitis which my dad had. Seems the most common cause of that is heavy drinking. He was never a heavy drinker. He did have the occasional beer or wine but not even one per week. I just don't think blaming the patient is helpful. Especially if they are doing what their Dr. told them to do or not do. Sometimes people get sick or get complications from things. In my case, I had complications when I was diagnosed with diabetes. In fact it was the complications that drove me to the Dr. |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... > >> And I would most likely have terrible control if I ate what you do! Of >> course I don't know exactly what you eat. But if it is meat? Or dairy, >> or eggs, or lots of salads, I'd never leave the bathroom. And my blood >> sugar would always be over 300. There is no one size fits all when it >> comes to diabetes. > > OK, and you never answered the question when your statement was: "I also > know plenty of diabetics who do not > monitor what they eat and yet they rarely see numbers over 80." How do > they/you know that if they rarely monitor? I believe that is what's called > bolstering an argument with no facts whatsoever. I said they do not monitor what they eat. I did not say that they did not use their blood sugar meter. Those are two different things. And obviously they would know their numbers because they are testing. I have seen their test results. That's how I know. I will give you one example. I won't say who this person is. But I went to dinner with her. She had a regular Sprite and a non-alcoholic daiquiri, a taco salad (did not eat the shell) and a few chips. Her BG was in the vicinity of 80 both before and after the meal. I can't remember the exact numbers. This was a few weeks ago. There is no way that I could ever have even one regular drink like that. Not that I'd want to as I dislike sweet drinks. But I know that I would get a terrible spike. I quit buying soda at all at one movie theater here. Twice I ordered a diet drink. It didn't taste right to me and the few swigs that I took did spike me up very high. I had eaten nothing during the course of the movie. The same thing happened once at a restaurant when Angela was little. It was a place where we had dined a few times and I know that the meal that I ordered did not spike me. I know there was a huge salad but now I can't remember what else I ordered with it. Something with carbs. Probably soup or chili. But one time, the drink didn't taste right to me. I tried to send it back but the waitress didn't want to take it back assuring me that it was diet. That's when I put a few drops on the table and felt it. It felt sticky. At that point I insisted that I get another drink. And I did. But the damage had already been done. I had a big spike two hours later. |
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"jinx the minx" > wrote in message ... > "Cheri" > wrote: >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>> And I would most likely have terrible control if I ate what you do! Of >>> > course I don't know exactly what you eat. But if it is meat? Or >>>> dairy, > or eggs, or lots of salads, I'd never leave the bathroom. And >>>> my blood > sugar would always be over 300. There is no one size fits >>>> all when it > comes to diabetes. >> >> OK, and you never answered the question when your statement was: "I also >> know plenty of diabetics who do not >> monitor what they eat and yet they rarely see numbers over 80." How do >> they/you know that if they rarely monitor? I believe that is what's >> called bolstering an argument with no facts whatsoever. >> >> Cheri > > Julie blows smoke out of both sides of her ass. Here she is complaining > about how much "terrible control" she'd have if she ate your diet, yet in > other posts she's lambasting the concept of being able to "control" > diabetes. She's in complete denial if she thinks diabetes isn't a > controllable disease (at least to some extent), and her increasing her > insulin dosage to compensate for her crappy carb overloaded diet proves > that. How is it that you are speaking for me? I am quite capable of speaking for myself. My diet isn't crappy at all. My dietician is also a CDE and she knows what I eat. I kept food logs for her for weeks. I use the Cron-O-Meter. And it is hardly carb overloaded. I ate far more carbs prior to learning that I had diabetes. I was a vegetarian then and my meals were often very carby. If I wasn't eating a huge salad then it would be beans and rice, beans and pasta, and much larger portions than I eat now. I also do not inject more insulin to cover the carbs. You don't even know what kind of insulin I am on. It is mostly basal and only one bolus. That is a set bolus at breakfast because most of the time my breakfast does not vary. Do you know what happens to type 2s who try to cover their carbs with insulin? They gain weight! Which I haven't done. Many type 1's can get away with doing this though. Particularly young, active people. I do not just have diabetes. Maybe if I did, things would be easier. I also have thyroid issues and gastroparesis. Although my thyroid tests as normal, I do have a goiter. So my levels are constantly being monitored. I have been hypo and hyper. That seemed to stabilize when I cut soy (for the most part) out of my diet. I know that some restaurants use soybean oil and I do consume some things with soy lecithin in them. I also used soy milk for something that I baked, although I didn't eat very much of it. Mostly I quit eating things like Bocca burgers and roasted soy nuts. |
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"Roy" > wrote in message ... > On Friday, September 19, 2014 11:43:19 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote: >> "Cheri" > wrote in message >> >> ... >> >> > >> >> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >> >> > ... >> >> >> >> >> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message >> >> > >> >> >>> And I was responding to "nothing nasty about the truth and >> >>> consequence >> >> >>> of poorly controlled diabetes" of which you are a poster child for a >> >>> lot >> >> >>> of medical reasons. >> >> >> >> >> >> I still think we could come up with a better term. >> >> > >> >> > What better term? Insulinitis? LOL, a rose by any other name..... >> >> > >> >> >> >> Uh no. Not for diabetes. I meant the word "control". When my psoriasis >> is >> >> flaring up would you say that my psoriasis it out of control? No. How >> >> about a person with arthritis who is in pain? Is their arthritis out of >> >> control? No. But have fluctuating blood sugar and suddenly your >> diabetes >> >> is out of control. > > You have psoriasis as well as all those other ailments? My gawd Julie, you > are a wreck. > ============== I have lots of autoimmune disorders. Thankfully the psoriasis hasn't flared up much here at all. It was particularly bad when I lived in CA and was outside a lot. The sun makes it flare. Just one more reason why I hate the outdoors. |
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"Oregonian Haruspex" > wrote in message ... > "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> "sf" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 02:36:29 -0700, "Julie Bove" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I am really sick of hearing the "lose a foot" thing. That's just >>>> nasty. >>> >>> My sister's friend has been diabetic for decades (no idea if it's type >>> 1 or 2) and has diabetic sores that don't heal. Gangrene is an issue, >>> so she's considering amputation below the knee as a prophylactic >>> measure because she's sick and tired of dealing with the sores and >>> pain. The thought of voluntary amputation totally grosses me out. >> >> Indeed but there is no proof that using artificial sweetener would cause >> that. > > No, but artificial sweeteners are linked to glucose intolerance AKA > "pre"-diabetes, which leads to diabetes, which can lead to a foot > amputation. I don't think they are linked at all. There is no proof of this. If there were, then dieticians wouldn't recommend that we use them. And yes, diabetes can lead to a lot of things including amputation. But no one food or drink can be blamed for that. As I said, the one woman I know who had to have some toes amputated was very careful with what she ate. She was a very thin type 1. She is no longer with us. The diabetes isn't what killed her though. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > I said they do not monitor what they eat. I did not say that they did not > use their blood sugar meter. Those are two different things. And > obviously they would know their numbers because they are testing. I have > seen their test results. That's how I know. OK, I misunderstood what you meant since BG testing is called monitoring. Rarely watching what they eat and never going over 80 is quite an accomplishment. I hope they write a book and let others know the secret. Cheri |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... > >> I said they do not monitor what they eat. I did not say that they did >> not use their blood sugar meter. Those are two different things. And >> obviously they would know their numbers because they are testing. I have >> seen their test results. That's how I know. > > OK, I misunderstood what you meant since BG testing is called monitoring. > Rarely watching what they eat and never going over 80 is quite an > accomplishment. I hope they write a book and let others know the secret. Where is it called monitoring? Not here. Here it is called blood sugar readings. From the meter. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "Cheri" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>> I said they do not monitor what they eat. I did not say that they did >>> not use their blood sugar meter. Those are two different things. And >>> obviously they would know their numbers because they are testing. I >>> have seen their test results. That's how I know. >> >> OK, I misunderstood what you meant since BG testing is called monitoring. >> Rarely watching what they eat and never going over 80 is quite an >> accomplishment. I hope they write a book and let others know the secret. > > Where is it called monitoring? Not here. Here it is called blood sugar > readings. From the meter. Google BG monitoring. Here, it is called whatever anyone wants to call it including BS. Cheri |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>> ... >>> >>>> I said they do not monitor what they eat. I did not say that they did >>>> not use their blood sugar meter. Those are two different things. And >>>> obviously they would know their numbers because they are testing. I >>>> have seen their test results. That's how I know. >>> >>> OK, I misunderstood what you meant since BG testing is called >>> monitoring. Rarely watching what they eat and never going over 80 is >>> quite an accomplishment. I hope they write a book and let others know >>> the secret. >> >> Where is it called monitoring? Not here. Here it is called blood sugar >> readings. From the meter. > > Google BG monitoring. Here, it is called whatever anyone wants to call it > including BS. Here, BS is something else. I have never heard it referred to as monitoring. Checking blood sugar? Yes. |
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:09:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > My diet isn't crappy at all. You drink 12 plus sodas a day. That alone says it all about your diet. |
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:14:08 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: >"Oregonian Haruspex" > wrote in message >news:1922594061432953197.134685bob_davis_retire ... >> >> No, but artificial sweeteners are linked to glucose intolerance AKA >> "pre"-diabetes, which leads to diabetes, which can lead to a foot >> amputation. > >I don't think they are linked at all. There is no proof of this. If there >were, then dieticians wouldn't recommend that we use them. Are you THAT naive? I suppose you also think the FDA is impartial and has your best interests at heart. |
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> > Every person at the hospital said that the infection was clearing nicely. > They did an MRI and there was nothing internally damaged. They could not > see why I had the operation done. And the Dr. at the next hospital I had to > go into due to sepsis that the foot Dr. caused, told me that I could have a > lawsuit on my hands. I am not going to pursue that for various reasons. > But those people are no longer my Drs. Don't know if this is true but I was told once that word gets around in the medical community. Sue a doctor and you might have a hard time finding another one to accept you as a patient. |
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"Gary" > wrote in message ... > Julie Bove wrote: >> >> Every person at the hospital said that the infection was clearing nicely. >> They did an MRI and there was nothing internally damaged. They could not >> see why I had the operation done. And the Dr. at the next hospital I had >> to >> go into due to sepsis that the foot Dr. caused, told me that I could have >> a >> lawsuit on my hands. I am not going to pursue that for various reasons. >> But those people are no longer my Drs. > > Don't know if this is true but I was told once that word gets around > in the medical community. Sue a doctor and you might have a hard time > finding another one to accept you as a patient. I would also imagine that it would be super hard to sue one. My husband loves those Drs. and continues to go to them. I told him I don't want to hear about it if something goes wrong. They wanted to operate on him too. For gout. I think they just like to operate! I had to sue someone in small claims court once. That was a royal PITA and I hope not to have to sue anyone again. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > I had to sue someone in small claims court once. That was a royal PITA > and I hope not to have to sue anyone again. Whatever you do, don't go to Judge Judy. Cheri |
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On 9/20/2014 9:33 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 12:07:20 -0400, Gary > wrote: > >> Julie Bove wrote: >>> >>> But we were talking about artificial sweeteners and using those have never >>> been proven to cause someone to lose a foot. >> >> Julie! You almost lost a foot a couple of months ago due to walking >> around all day with a nail in your shoe poking you every step. Wake >> up. My comment has nothing to do about diet coke but all to do about >> foot numbness due to diabetes. > > It won't matter who says what, Gary. > I'm not diabetic. But I do believe at some point I'd have taken my boot/shoe/whatever off and realized I had a big bleeding hole in my foot. HELLO! Jill |
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In article >,
says... > > >My serious infection came about from bungling Drs. > > Oh what absolute bullshit! > > >And none of this has > >anything to do with sweeteners which is what we were talking about. > >> > >> De Nile isn't just a river in Egypt. > > > >None of this has anything to do with what I was talking about. My serious > >infection was sepsis. Systemic throughout the body. It started in your injured foot. You said so. http://www.sepsisalliance.org/sepsis_and/diabetes/ "People who have diabetes are at risk of developing wounds and sores that don?t heal well. While the wounds are present, they are at high risk of developing infection. And, again because of the diabetes, the infections can get severe quickly. When infection overwhelms the body, the body can respond by developing sepsis and going into septic shock" http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/237378-overview "Compromise of the blood supply from microvascular disease, often in association with lack of sensation because of neuropathy, predisposes persons with diabetes mellitus to foot infections.". Janet UK |
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:02:54 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote: >On 9/20/2014 9:33 PM, Jeßus wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 12:07:20 -0400, Gary > wrote: >> >>> Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>>> But we were talking about artificial sweeteners and using those have never >>>> been proven to cause someone to lose a foot. >>> >>> Julie! You almost lost a foot a couple of months ago due to walking >>> around all day with a nail in your shoe poking you every step. Wake >>> up. My comment has nothing to do about diet coke but all to do about >>> foot numbness due to diabetes. >> >> It won't matter who says what, Gary. >> >I'm not diabetic. But I do believe at some point I'd have taken my >boot/shoe/whatever off and realized I had a big bleeding hole in my >foot. HELLO! I recall that Julie also said that the nail got her multiple times? |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... > >> Here, BS is something else. I have never heard it referred to as >> monitoring. Checking blood sugar? Yes. > > I have seen people say they have been checking their BS instead of BG, > it's common with newbies. Sorry, but just because one hasn't heard > something, doesn't mean it isn't so. Yes, newbies say that online. Have never heard anyone in person say that. |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... > >> I had to sue someone in small claims court once. That was a royal PITA >> and I hope not to have to sue anyone again. > > Whatever you do, don't go to Judge Judy. Oh I love her! |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > On 9/20/2014 9:33 PM, Jeßus wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 12:07:20 -0400, Gary > wrote: >> >>> Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>>> But we were talking about artificial sweeteners and using those have >>>> never >>>> been proven to cause someone to lose a foot. >>> >>> Julie! You almost lost a foot a couple of months ago due to walking >>> around all day with a nail in your shoe poking you every step. Wake >>> up. My comment has nothing to do about diet coke but all to do about >>> foot numbness due to diabetes. >> >> It won't matter who says what, Gary. >> > I'm not diabetic. But I do believe at some point I'd have taken my > boot/shoe/whatever off and realized I had a big bleeding hole in my foot. > HELLO! Yes. When I did take it off, I did see that. |
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"Janet" > wrote in message t... > In article >, > says... >> > >> >My serious infection came about from bungling Drs. >> >> Oh what absolute bullshit! >> >> >And none of this has >> >anything to do with sweeteners which is what we were talking about. >> >> >> >> De Nile isn't just a river in Egypt. >> > >> >None of this has anything to do with what I was talking about. My >> >serious >> >infection was sepsis. Systemic throughout the body. > > It started in your injured foot. You said so. > > http://www.sepsisalliance.org/sepsis_and/diabetes/ > > "People who have diabetes are at risk of developing wounds and sores > that don?t heal well. While the wounds are present, they are at high > risk of developing infection. And, again because of the diabetes, the > infections can get severe quickly. When infection overwhelms the body, > the body can respond by developing sepsis and going into septic shock" > > http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/237378-overview > > "Compromise of the blood supply from microvascular disease, often in > association with lack of sensation because of neuropathy, predisposes > persons with diabetes mellitus to foot infections.". > > Janet UK The only reason my wound from the surgery wasn't healing was because the Drs. weren't *letting* it heal. My initial wound had already healed by the time the surgery was done which was why nobody could understand why they wanted to operate. Each time I went back, they cut the wound open and the one Dr. jabbed all sorts of things into it. She even broke a stick off into the wound. The visiting nurse said that the wound would never heal if they didn't quit doing this. They also kept the foot totally wrapped up tightly and told me never to unwrap it which is why the fungal infection set in. And due to their mishandling of the wound, they pushed it into my blood stream. You may ask why I continued to go back to them. Well... I couldn't drive and they were the closest Drs. to me. Angela didn't yet have her license and I didn't dare have her drive me lest they put me back in the hospital again. She'd be stranded there with my van. So... Mostly my SIL was driving me and the other Dr. where I eventually went is located where she lives. I didn't want to make her drive all the way out here then back there then back here again then back there to home. I was trying to do what I thought was the frugal and convenient thing but in the end it was a very bad thing. Live and learn. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "Cheri" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >> ... >> >>> I had to sue someone in small claims court once. That was a royal PITA >>> and I hope not to have to sue anyone again. >> >> Whatever you do, don't go to Judge Judy. > > Oh I love her! I do too, but I doubt that you would fare well with her. Just sayin. Cheri |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>> ... >>> >>>> I had to sue someone in small claims court once. That was a royal PITA >>>> and I hope not to have to sue anyone again. >>> >>> Whatever you do, don't go to Judge Judy. >> >> Oh I love her! > > I do too, but I doubt that you would fare well with her. Just sayin. Yeah. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "Cheri" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> "Cheri" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> >>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>> >>>>> I had to sue someone in small claims court once. That was a royal >>>>> PITA and I hope not to have to sue anyone again. >>>> >>>> Whatever you do, don't go to Judge Judy. >>> >>> Oh I love her! >> >> I do too, but I doubt that you would fare well with her. Just sayin. > > Yeah. Me either, I could never keep my mouth shut if she started to attack, so I'm sure she would throw me out. Cheri |
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On 9/21/2014 11:02 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/20/2014 9:33 PM, Jeßus wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 12:07:20 -0400, Gary > wrote: >> >>> Julie Bove wrote: >>>> >>>> But we were talking about artificial sweeteners and using those have >>>> never >>>> been proven to cause someone to lose a foot. >>> >>> Julie! You almost lost a foot a couple of months ago due to walking >>> around all day with a nail in your shoe poking you every step. Wake >>> up. My comment has nothing to do about diet coke but all to do about >>> foot numbness due to diabetes. >> >> It won't matter who says what, Gary. >> > I'm not diabetic. But I do believe at some point I'd have taken my > boot/shoe/whatever off and realized I had a big bleeding hole in my > foot. HELLO! > > Jill Jill, you'd actually be surprised. I have peripheral neuropathy in my foot from nerve damage starting in my back. I haven't had a nail in my foot, but I've had skin peeling off of my big toe to the point of bleeding and I couldn't feel it. -- ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶ Cheryl |
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"Cheri" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Cheri" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> >>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>>> I had to sue someone in small claims court once. That was a royal >>>>>> PITA and I hope not to have to sue anyone again. >>>>> >>>>> Whatever you do, don't go to Judge Judy. >>>> >>>> Oh I love her! >>> >>> I do too, but I doubt that you would fare well with her. Just sayin. >> >> Yeah. > > Me either, I could never keep my mouth shut if she started to attack, so > I'm sure she would throw me out. Yeah. Me too. |
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"Cheryl" > wrote in message web.com... > On 9/21/2014 11:02 AM, jmcquown wrote: >> On 9/20/2014 9:33 PM, Jeßus wrote: >>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 12:07:20 -0400, Gary > wrote: >>> >>>> Julie Bove wrote: >>>>> >>>>> But we were talking about artificial sweeteners and using those have >>>>> never >>>>> been proven to cause someone to lose a foot. >>>> >>>> Julie! You almost lost a foot a couple of months ago due to walking >>>> around all day with a nail in your shoe poking you every step. Wake >>>> up. My comment has nothing to do about diet coke but all to do about >>>> foot numbness due to diabetes. >>> >>> It won't matter who says what, Gary. >>> >> I'm not diabetic. But I do believe at some point I'd have taken my >> boot/shoe/whatever off and realized I had a big bleeding hole in my >> foot. HELLO! >> >> Jill > > Jill, you'd actually be surprised. I have peripheral neuropathy in my foot > from nerve damage starting in my back. I haven't had a nail in my foot, > but I've had skin peeling off of my big toe to the point of bleeding and I > couldn't feel it. I could feel this. But as I said, I kept sticking my hand in my boot and couldn't feel anything. The length of the nail was not even as long as the width of the sole of the boot, but they were really cheap boots, more akin to slippers and I'm sure that the sole and the insole compressed down when I stepped down. This doesn't happen when you put your hand into the boot and slide it along. When I did that, nothing sharp was sticking up. I also had black stockings on so I couldn't see any blood or even damage to the stockings. So I convinced myself that the pain I was feeling was from the neuropathy. I now know that any time there is pain, to look at the bottom of my footwear. Had I done that I would have seen the nail. There also wasn't a lot of blood when I did take the sock off. Just a small area of damage about the size of as dime, if that. Most of the punctures were not deep at all, but it was still enough to allow infection to set in. Also, someone who is not diabetic should probably not be commenting on things that happen to diabetics. They do not walk in our shoes so they do not know. An exception might be a person who has a diabetic in the family and knows more about it than the average person. |
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On 2014-09-21 04:14:08 +0000, Julie Bove said:
> "Oregonian Haruspex" > wrote in message > ... > >> "Julie Bove" > wrote: >>> "sf" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 02:36:29 -0700, "Julie Bove" >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am really sick of hearing the "lose a foot" thing. That's just nasty. >>>> >>>> My sister's friend has been diabetic for decades (no idea if it's type >>>> 1 or 2) and has diabetic sores that don't heal. Gangrene is an issue, >>>> so she's considering amputation below the knee as a prophylactic >>>> measure because she's sick and tired of dealing with the sores and >>>> pain. The thought of voluntary amputation totally grosses me out. >>> >>> Indeed but there is no proof that using artificial sweetener would cause that. >> >> No, but artificial sweeteners are linked to glucose intolerance AKA >> "pre"-diabetes, which leads to diabetes, which can lead to a foot >> amputation. > > I don't think they are linked at all. There is no proof of this. If > there were, then dieticians wouldn't recommend that we use them. And > yes, diabetes can lead to a lot of things including amputation. But no > one food or drink can be blamed for that. As I said, the one woman I > know who had to have some toes amputated was very careful with what she > ate. She was a very thin type 1. She is no longer with us. The > diabetes isn't what killed her though. There is now proof that artifical sweetners lead to glucose intolerance AKA "pre"-diabetes, which leads to diabetes, which leads to foot amputation, blindness, and death. PROOF. Train yourself to drink stuff that isn't sweet. You aren't a hummingbird, so why do you need to constantly drink sweet stuff? Make it a treat, once a week or so. But soda, diet or no, isn't water, nor is Lifewater or Vitaminwater or Crystal Light or any of that garbage, so don't pretend it is. |
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