On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:

>
>I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>
>https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>
>Here's the recipe
>http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>
>or
>http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>
>koko

**** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
much.

John Kuthe...

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John Kuthe wrote:
>koko wrote:
>>
>>I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>
>>https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>
>>Here's the recipe
>>http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>
>>or
>>http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>
>**** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>much.

Everything about Kuthe is artificial. Box cake is no more artificial
than ingredients used to bake from scratch, and often box cake
ingredients are more wholesome, by orders of magnitude large food
factories have far more control over their ingredients... I suppose
you grow your own wheat, you raise chickens for eggs, you milk your
own cows, you run a laboratory to make your own baking powder, and of
course you use pure water, not that filthy chemical laden city water
from your own tap, or bottled water from out-gassing plastic bottles
filled at some gas station hose bib. Oh, and you own a cacao
plantation, and a rain forest for growing vanilla beans. You have no
clue what's in the ingredients you buy at the local stupidmarket...
Kuthe, you're just as much a deranged sicko imbecile as your asshole
buddy Bwrrryan... yoose two UNeducated faggots deserve each other...
Kiss and make up, faggots, not yoose lips, dummy... each other's anus.

On 9/5/2014 1:28 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>> mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>> cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>> Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>> Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>> Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>> church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>> expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>
>> Here's the recipe
>> http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>
>> or
>> http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>
>> koko
>
> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
> much.
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Yikes, lighten up man, sometimes boxed is too quick to pass up.

"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
> On 9/5/2014 1:28 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>> mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>> cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>> Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>> Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>> Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>> church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>> expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>>
>>> Here's the recipe
>>> http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>>
>>> or
>>> http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>>
>>> koko
>>
>> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>> much.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>
> Yikes, lighten up man, sometimes boxed is too quick to pass up.

Really. Does one have to have hysterics over a mix used to make cookies once
in awhile? LOL

Cheri
>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:34:32 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 9/5/2014 1:28 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>>> mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>>> cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>>> Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>>> Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>>> Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>>> church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>>> expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>>>
>>>> https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>>>
>>>> Here's the recipe
>>>> http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>>>
>>>> koko
>>>
>>> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>>> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>>> much.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>
>> Yikes, lighten up man, sometimes boxed is too quick to pass up.
>
>Really. Does one have to have hysterics over a mix used to make cookies once
>in awhile? LOL
>
>Cheri
>>

I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
They are disgusting.

Real baked goods arer SO much better!

John Kuthe...

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"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
news
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:34:32 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>> On 9/5/2014 1:28 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>>>> mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>>>> cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>>>> Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>>>> Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>>>> Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>>>> church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>>>> expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the recipe
>>>>> http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>>>>
>>>>> koko
>>>>
>>>> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>>>> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>>>> much.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yikes, lighten up man, sometimes boxed is too quick to pass up.
>>
>>Really. Does one have to have hysterics over a mix used to make cookies
>>once
>>in awhile? LOL
>>
>>Cheri
>>>
>
> I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
> They are disgusting.
>
> Real baked goods arer SO much better!
>
> John Kuthe...

Some are, some aren't. The point is, if someone uses a mix once in awhile
it's not a hanging offense, and nobody is forcing you to use them but the
industry is huge so I imagine you're in the minority.

Cheri

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
news
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:34:32 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>> On 9/5/2014 1:28 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>>>> mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>>>> cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>>>> Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>>>> Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>>>> Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>>>> church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>>>> expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the recipe
>>>>> http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>>>>
>>>>> koko
>>>>
>>>> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>>>> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>>>> much.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yikes, lighten up man, sometimes boxed is too quick to pass up.
>>
>>Really. Does one have to have hysterics over a mix used to make cookies
>>once
>>in awhile? LOL
>>
>>Cheri
>>>
>
> I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
> They are disgusting.
>
> Real baked goods arer SO much better!

Actually they're not. This has been proven by Consumer Reports.

On 9/6/2014 3:42 AM, The Other Guy wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 23:45:15 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>>> I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
>>> They are disgusting.
>>>
>>> Real baked goods arer SO much better!
>>
>> Actually they're not. This has been proven by Consumer Reports.
>
> Several factors go in favor of the boxed goods.
>
> Consistency, AND ease.
>

Consistently bland. They are a bit easier though.

As for Consumer reports, I often disagree with them. I don't know what
they used for comparison, but it surely was not the best. What has
happened over the last generation, good taste has been lost. just look
at the crap people accept as being good. Veggies and fruit that is
picked and sold unripe, week old corn on the cob, seedless watermelons,
ice cream loaded with gums and fillers.
Many people go through life and never have a ripe peach right from the
tree. Sad, really.

On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 10:02:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 9/6/2014 3:42 AM, The Other Guy wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 23:45:15 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
>>>> They are disgusting.
>>>>
>>>> Real baked goods arer SO much better!
>>>
>>> Actually they're not. This has been proven by Consumer Reports.
>>
>> Several factors go in favor of the boxed goods.
>>
>> Consistency, AND ease.
>>
>
>Consistently bland. They are a bit easier though.
>
>As for Consumer reports, I often disagree with them. I don't know what
>they used for comparison, but it surely was not the best. What has
>happened over the last generation, good taste has been lost. just look
>at the crap people accept as being good. Veggies and fruit that is
>picked and sold unripe, week old corn on the cob, seedless watermelons,
>ice cream loaded with gums and fillers.
>Many people go through life and never have a ripe peach right from the
>tree. Sad, really.

Exactly Ed. What happened to a great degree was the generifiation of
so many food products by the industrial food production machine! Box
mixes of baked products can be good, but what we get today on the
consumer shelf is not very good. It's certainly easier, but that's the
whole aim! And being a baker, I can't see my way clear to use a boxed
mix when I have a perfectly good recipe for baked good from scratch. I
used to make pancakes for me and my son when he was little, and I just
whipped out the Joy Of Cooking and looked up pancakes! Found a good
recipe for crepes too, so made those on occasion! YUM!

John Kuthe...

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On 9/6/2014 2:11 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 10:02:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 9/6/2014 3:42 AM, The Other Guy wrote:
>>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 23:45:15 -0700, "Julie Bove" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I refuse to support the industry that makes those infernal box mixes.
>>>>> They are disgusting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Real baked goods arer SO much better!
>>>>
>>>> Actually they're not. This has been proven by Consumer Reports.
>>>
>>> Several factors go in favor of the boxed goods.
>>>
>>> Consistency, AND ease.
>>>
>>
>> Consistently bland. They are a bit easier though.
>>
>> As for Consumer reports, I often disagree with them. I don't know what
>> they used for comparison, but it surely was not the best. What has
>> happened over the last generation, good taste has been lost. just look
>> at the crap people accept as being good. Veggies and fruit that is
>> picked and sold unripe, week old corn on the cob, seedless watermelons,
>> ice cream loaded with gums and fillers.
>> Many people go through life and never have a ripe peach right from the
>> tree. Sad, really.
>
> Supermarkets: convenience at the expense of quality and taste.
>
Maybe in Oz, but not so here.

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>
>>
>>I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>
>>https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>
>>Here's the recipe
>>http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>
>>or
>>http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>
>>koko
>
> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
> much.

There is organic. Dr. Oetkers or something like that.

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:44:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>>mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>>cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>>Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>>Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>>Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>>church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>>expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>>
>>>https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>>
>>>Here's the recipe
>>>http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>>
>>>or
>>>http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>>
>>>koko
>>
>> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>> much.
>
>There is organic. Dr. Oetkers or something like that.

What's wrong with just using flour, sugar, fat of some sort, eggs (or
not), leavening, spices and BAKE?

It's not rocket science!!

John Kuthe...

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"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:44:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:52:43 -0700, koko > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm not a baker, and have never claimed to be, although I can bake a
>>>>mean loaf of bread, pastries elude me. I use box mixes for cakes,
>>>>cupcakes etc...<sosueme> I prefer Duncan Hines and Von's has Duncan
>>>>Hines mixes on sale for .99 I found this recipe on the back of the
>>>>Fudge Cake mix. They are stinkin' good.
>>>>Today I'm taking these to the volunteers that are working so hard at
>>>>church. We have a big concert coming up, and they are working hard to
>>>>expand our outdoor amphitheater to accommodate everyone.
>>>>
>>>>https://flic.kr/p/p5F5uR
>>>>
>>>>Here's the recipe
>>>>http://www.duncanhines.com/recipes/c...fudge-cookies/
>>>>
>>>>or
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/kanqqr6
>>>>
>>>>koko
>>>
>>> **** box mixes for cakes, cookies, stuff like that! Baking is NOT THAT
>>> HARD! Too much artificial crap in those box mixes. Like "any" is too
>>> much.
>>
>>There is organic. Dr. Oetkers or something like that.
>
> What's wrong with just using flour, sugar, fat of some sort, eggs (or
> not), leavening, spices and BAKE?
>
> It's not rocket science!!


Well, I rarely make cakes but when I did, I soon realized that boxed mixes
were cheaper, quicker to make and tasted just as good as scratch cakes. I
used to make one called chocolate tweed. I put the same grated chocolate
into a yellow cake mix. Tasted the same.

On 9/6/2014 2:44 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
> Well, I rarely make cakes but when I did, I soon realized that boxed
> mixes were cheaper, quicker to make and tasted just as good as scratch
> cakes. I used to make one called chocolate tweed. I put the same
> grated chocolate into a yellow cake mix. Tasted the same.


You must have some rather poor cake recipes if they taste like boxed.
I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
and taste.
I'll try to remember to post the recipes we use later as they are not on
this computer.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
> and taste.

I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>> and taste.
>
> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>
> G.

Oh no, you heretic! LOL

Cheri

On 2014-09-06 1:01 PM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>> and taste.
>
> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>
>
He did say "a really good bakery". That would preclude all of the in
store bakeries, since they use mixes.

On 9/6/2014 1:01 PM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>> and taste.
>
> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>
> G.
>

There are bakeries and there are bakeries. Some make crap, others make
delightful cakes and pies. You have not found the right ones.

I go to a local bakery that has fantastic bread, but I won't buy their
pasties. Look great, taste bland, over prices.

I go to Wright's Dairy Bakery and they have great cakes with whipped
cream frosting.

Cheap bakeries cover cakes with Crisco and sugar, but good ones make
delightful buttercream frosting. It is not possible to make a comment
that one class is good or bad since both exist. You have to find the
few good ones left.

On 9/6/2014 1:01 PM, Gary wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I've never had a boxed mix or store baker cake that comes close to what
>> a really good bakery or home made scratch cake is like in both texture
>> and taste.
>
> I so disagree with you, Ed. I've never had a bakery cake or pie that
> comes close to homemade. And using the boxed cakes are so much better
> than bakery too. The bakery cakes look nicer but are usually pretty
> dry and the icing is not good at all. IMO
>
> G.
>
Agree. Most bakery cakes have icing that is way too sweet.

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