On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:51:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:



>>
>> I just read recently that you shouldn't put eggshells down the
>> disposal because they are 'heavy and will tend to sink to low spots in
>> the plumbing system and begin a clog.
>> Janet US
>
>Yep. Although I have done it countless times with no problem, I have had
>two clogs here from shells. The last one was just two lousy eggs! The
>shells kept bubbling up in teensy pieces.

I doubt the shells were the cause. If the bit were floating up it was
because the clog was past them and they could not get through. They
go down OK in a mix of other garbage but I tend to put them in the
trash anyway, or the compost pile.

Good chance you have a bad bend in the drain pipe so be sure to run
plenty of water. My old house clogged frequently because of the drain
pipe so I cut it out and put a piece of steam hose. It would clog at
time, but with clamp, I was able to take it off and clear it easily.

In this house, no clogs in 31 years. Better designed plumbing.

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:57:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> From what I've been told, you can't have one with septic. I used to love
>> them.
>
> We had septic tanks when I was a kid. Both my mother and grandmother
> had garbage disposals and no problems that I heard of.

Dunno on that for sure but it was Wayne Boatright who said it to me.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> The only wooden spoons I have are fancy rainbow ones. Not going to ruin
>> one of those. Plus I could get it to spin freely. Or so I thought,.
>
>
>
> Of all the things that go wrong at times, I hate plumbing problems the
> most.

For me it's a tossup between that and a broken down vehicle.

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:44:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Several plumbers have told me that
>> there is something stopping things up just beyond the sink. Either
>> something fell in the pipe or it makes a sharp turn when it shouldn't.
>> But
>> it is likely the sharp turn to get the water going back towards the front
>> of
>> the house. The only way to investigate what the problem is would be to
>> open
>> up the wall. And at that, the problem still might not be fixable.
>
> Find a plumber that has a snake with a camera on it.

That won't work because they can't get it in there far enough to find what
it is.

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:09:27 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 17:07:53 -0700, "Cheri" >
>wrote:
>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 07:26:50 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I just spent $225.00 to have the garbage disposal completely removed and
>>>>new
>>>>sink rings put in. More than one plumber has told us that GD's are one of
>>>>the main reasons for clogs. We've had a lot of clogs in the past 20 years,
>>>>so hopefully no more for awhile.
>>>>
>>>>Cheri
>>>
>>> I think you will find that so, years since I gave up on them and never
>>> had a problem. Also kinder to the environment - most of the stuff I
>>> used to put down the GD is green bin/compost stuff.
>>
>>
>>Yes, now that my dh is retired he fishes a lot and has a worm farm going so
>>all the edible type veggie scraps, coffee grounds etc., go there now. I
>>didn't really want to believe that the GD was causing all the clogs, but
>>I've slowly come to the conclusion that it is causing the problems.
>
>I don't understand garbage disposals. I've never had one, and I don't
>know anyone who has ever had one. We just put our vegetable waste in
>the compost, and meat waste in the garbage. Now that my area has
>started up with "green" bins, we put the meat waste in the freezer and
>dispose of it every 3-4 weeks.
>
>We are on a septic system, so I shudder to think of what effect a
>garbage disposal would have on our tank.
>
>Doris

We are on a septic system and have no problem with using a garbage
disposal. I tend to put most of my fruit & vegetable leavings in the
compost. If it can't go in the compost it goes down the garbage
disposal except for large heavy bones. I think fats are the most
likely item to clog a disposal, especially if you do not use plenty of
cold water while it is running.

--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

The Cook wrote:
>
> I think fats are the most
> likely item to clog a disposal, especially if you do not use plenty of
> cold water while it is running.
>
Hmmmm. One rule I've always heard is to never pour fat down a drain,
with or without a disposal. If you did occasionally, I would think
that running plenty of HOT water before and after would help it go all
the way out. Running cold water would make it congeal in the pipes
pretty quickly. (?)

Lots of thin vegetable peels have clogged mine up. Carrot peels
brought the plumber last time (several years ago). I don't put much of
anything down mine these days. I have a large trash bag for cans,
paper, etc. I also use a daily grocery store plastic bag for food
scraps (and ferret poopy papers). This bag goes out daily.

Gary

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:18:50 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:57:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> From what I've been told, you can't have one with septic. I used to love
>>> them.
>>
>> We had septic tanks when I was a kid. Both my mother and grandmother
>> had garbage disposals and no problems that I heard of.
>
>Dunno on that for sure but it was Wayne Boatright who said it to me.

They even make a special model for septic tanks that releases an
enzyme when it runs.

On 10/13/2013 6:48 AM, Gary wrote:
> Hmmmm. One rule I've always heard is to never pour fat down a drain,
> with or without a disposal. If you did occasionally, I would think
> that running plenty of HOT water before and after would help it go all
> the way out. Running cold water would make it congeal in the pipes
> pretty quickly. (?)


If we have a lot of greasy liquids to get rid of, we dump it in an old
coffee can and keep it in the freezer. When almost full, we put it out
with the garbage.

For small amounts (like stuff in a frying pan). I usually squirt some
dish detergent and a little water in it, then scrub so all the grease is
suspended, they flush down the drain with a lot of hot water.

George L

George Leppla wrote:
>
> On 10/13/2013 6:48 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Hmmmm. One rule I've always heard is to never pour fat down a drain,
> > with or without a disposal. If you did occasionally, I would think
> > that running plenty of HOT water before and after would help it go all
> > the way out. Running cold water would make it congeal in the pipes
> > pretty quickly. (?)
>
> If we have a lot of greasy liquids to get rid of, we dump it in an old
> coffee can and keep it in the freezer. When almost full, we put it out
> with the garbage.
>
> For small amounts (like stuff in a frying pan). I usually squirt some
> dish detergent and a little water in it, then scrub so all the grease is
> suspended, they flush down the drain with a lot of hot water.

I agree! That's what I do. I even collect small amounts in a can to
throw out. I try not to put any down the drain.

G.

On 10/12/2013 10:44 AM, Gary wrote:

> It's usually vegetable peels that will clog up a garbage disposal.
> Plumber told me that. The peels belong in the trash or a compost heap
> if you maintain one.
>

We moved my inlaws into a place that had a garbage disposal. Bad
enough the new contraptions were confusing to them (why can't you
just put dish soap in the dishwasher? Oh, that's why), the garbage
disposal was nothing but trouble. Banana peels jammed up the thing
but good. We told them not to use it any more.

I have one I never use, it's more trouble than it's worth.
Vegetable peels are why I wanted one to start with. Now those
go in the compost anyway.

nancy

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:09:36 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:


>
>We moved my inlaws into a place that had a garbage disposal. Bad
>enough the new contraptions were confusing to them (why can't you
>just put dish soap in the dishwasher? Oh, that's why), the garbage
>disposal was nothing but trouble. Banana peels jammed up the thing
>but good. We told them not to use it any more.

They have to rank right up with corn husks. I guess then never read
or maybe never had the instructions. Things like that can be difficult
for elderly to understand.

On 10/13/2013 9:57 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:09:36 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>
>>
>> We moved my inlaws into a place that had a garbage disposal. Bad
>> enough the new contraptions were confusing to them (why can't you
>> just put dish soap in the dishwasher? Oh, that's why), the garbage
>> disposal was nothing but trouble. Banana peels jammed up the thing
>> but good. We told them not to use it any more.
>
> They have to rank right up with corn husks. I guess then never read
> or maybe never had the instructions. Things like that can be difficult
> for elderly to understand.

Absolutely, and notice I said 'we moved' them there, they were
both in stages of dementia.

And after finding out about all the things you can't or shouldn't
put down there, I might not qualify for elderly but I don't really
understand what garbage disposals *are* good for. I would take mine
out if it would cost money to do so.

nancy

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:26:44 -0400, Nancy Young

>
>Absolutely, and notice I said 'we moved' them there, they were
>both in stages of dementia.

I did notice that and that makes it more difficult to cope with
appliances


>
>And after finding out about all the things you can't or shouldn't
>put down there, I might not qualify for elderly but I don't really
>understand what garbage disposals *are* good for. I would take mine
>out if it would cost money to do so.

I use it for stuff that will smell. Most bulky waste will end up on
the compost pile or in the trash. Those three slices of lunchmeat you
found in the back of the fridge though, can make a stink in the trash,
so down the disposal and gone. When cutting up watermelon, the seeds
end up in the sink so down they go. But if I cut a cantaloupe in
half, I'll scrape the seeds into the trash. Most residue left on
dinner plates is for the disposal, but tea leafs and coffee grounds
are good for compost or trash.

I don't worry about some oil getting down the drain, but I pour animal
fat into a jar for disposal so it does not congeal in the drain pipes.

On 10/13/2013 11:51 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:26:44 -0400, Nancy Young
>
>>
>> Absolutely, and notice I said 'we moved' them there, they were
>> both in stages of dementia.
>
> I did notice that and that makes it more difficult to cope with
> appliances

At one point, my mil said she wanted to move back to their old
place because 'everything here breaks' ... I know it was frustrating,
but they couldn't be where they lived anymore.

>> And after finding out about all the things you can't or shouldn't
>> put down there, I might not qualify for elderly but I don't really
>> understand what garbage disposals *are* good for. I would take mine
>> out if it would cost money to do so.
>
> I use it for stuff that will smell. Most bulky waste will end up on
> the compost pile or in the trash. Those three slices of lunchmeat you
> found in the back of the fridge though, can make a stink in the trash,
> so down the disposal and gone.

Gotcha. Stuff like that, and anything chicken, I put into plastic
bags in the trash bag - newspaper bags, or I save produce bags for
that. Maybe I'm kidding myself but it does seem to contain the odor.
If not, the trash goes out.

> When cutting up watermelon, the seeds
> end up in the sink so down they go. But if I cut a cantaloupe in
> half, I'll scrape the seeds into the trash. Most residue left on
> dinner plates is for the disposal, but tea leafs and coffee grounds
> are good for compost or trash.

You use yours a lot.
>
> I don't worry about some oil getting down the drain, but I pour animal
> fat into a jar for disposal so it does not congeal in the drain pipes.

I've seen what happens to sewer systems when people put grease down
the sink, I avoid it as much a possible.

nancy

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:29:55 -0400, The Cook >
wrote:

> We are on a septic system and have no problem with using a garbage
> disposal. I tend to put most of my fruit & vegetable leavings in the
> compost. If it can't go in the compost it goes down the garbage
> disposal except for large heavy bones. I think fats are the most
> likely item to clog a disposal, especially if you do not use plenty of
> cold water while it is running.

We had lots of dogs when I was a kid, so meat fat and scraps from
dinner went into a pot that was heated and fed to them along with
their kibble the following day.

What I do now is keep a "grease can" under the sink where the
fat/grease goes, so only minute amounts of fat go down the drain. It
had been a habit of mine ever since living in the city, but was really
driven home as a good idea when we bought this house because I had to
call a plumber just a couple of days after we moved in due to the
kitchen sink being clogged (no garbage disposal at that time). The
plumber said it was the result of years of grease and soap buildup,
not my fault. I put in a garbage disposal immediately and have had
absolutely no disposal problems due to grease or fat issues since
then.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:20:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:44:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Several plumbers have told me that
> >> there is something stopping things up just beyond the sink. Either
> >> something fell in the pipe or it makes a sharp turn when it shouldn't.
> >> But
> >> it is likely the sharp turn to get the water going back towards the front
> >> of
> >> the house. The only way to investigate what the problem is would be to
> >> open
> >> up the wall. And at that, the problem still might not be fixable.
> >
> > Find a plumber that has a snake with a camera on it.
>
> That won't work because they can't get it in there far enough to find what
> it is.

I've seen them on TV and they can get out to the water main. So,
you're saying that there is such a sharp turn that they can't get the
snake past it? That pretty much tells you what/where the problem is.
It's not a mystery. Open up the wall, throw some money at it and fix
it.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:19:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >> The only wooden spoons I have are fancy rainbow ones. Not going to ruin
> >> one of those. Plus I could get it to spin freely. Or so I thought,.
> >
> >
> >
> > Of all the things that go wrong at times, I hate plumbing problems the
> > most.
>
> For me it's a tossup between that and a broken down vehicle.

That's when I know it's time to either get a new battery or get a new
car if changing the battery doesn't work.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

In article >,
Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:09:36 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>
> >
> >We moved my inlaws into a place that had a garbage disposal. Bad
> >enough the new contraptions were confusing to them (why can't you
> >just put dish soap in the dishwasher? Oh, that's why), the garbage
> >disposal was nothing but trouble. Banana peels jammed up the thing
> >but good. We told them not to use it any more.
>
> They have to rank right up with corn husks. I guess then never read
> or maybe never had the instructions. Things like that can be difficult
> for elderly to understand.

I remember the day my mom had a luncheon at her house and served
artichokes. She tried to put about 6 artichokes worth of leaves down the
garbage disposal. My dad was pretty unhappy unclogging that mess!

The recipe she used was very good though, in case you're craving
artichokes and shrimp:

http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/fo...ichokes-in-Pep
pery-Butter-Sauce-14416

I will confess to cleaning the shrimp as it's just too much of a pain to
eat with all the legs and heads :-)

marcella

On 2013-10-13 8:24 AM, George Leppla wrote:

> For small amounts (like stuff in a frying pan). I usually squirt some
> dish detergent and a little water in it, then scrub so all the grease is
> suspended, they flush down the drain with a lot of hot water.

I pour off as much fat as possible into the composting can. I then give
a good squirt of dish detergent and use hot water on the residual to
rinse it off and to wash it down.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> The only wooden spoons I have are fancy rainbow ones. Not going to ruin
>>> one of those. Plus I could get it to spin freely. Or so I thought,.
>>
>>
>>
>> Of all the things that go wrong at times, I hate plumbing problems the
>> most.
>
> For me it's a tossup between that and a broken down vehicle.


I can agree with the broken down vehicle, especially when one is far from
home. I remember that a lot in the old days when we weren't too flush and we
had old used cars. Always in the heat too. :-(

Cheri

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...

> Absolutely, and notice I said 'we moved' them there, they were
> both in stages of dementia.

Which means that a garbage disposal could be very dangerous for them.

Cheri

On 10/13/2013 2:16 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Absolutely, and notice I said 'we moved' them there, they were
>> both in stages of dementia.
>
> Which means that a garbage disposal could be very dangerous for them.

Agreed, though my fil was still pretty mechanically inclined, and
my mil knew to call some maintenance people in the retiree village
and pay them something to fix the thing. They weren't that bad as
yet, just figuring out these new appliances was a little much.

On the plus side, moving to a nice new place, finding their way
around, etc, gave them a new lease on life for a few years and
I'm happy I pushed for the move.

nancy

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> The Cook wrote:
>>
>> I think fats are the most
>> likely item to clog a disposal, especially if you do not use plenty of
>> cold water while it is running.
>>
> Hmmmm. One rule I've always heard is to never pour fat down a drain,
> with or without a disposal. If you did occasionally, I would think
> that running plenty of HOT water before and after would help it go all
> the way out. Running cold water would make it congeal in the pipes
> pretty quickly. (?)
>
> Lots of thin vegetable peels have clogged mine up. Carrot peels
> brought the plumber last time (several years ago). I don't put much of
> anything down mine these days. I have a large trash bag for cans,
> paper, etc. I also use a daily grocery store plastic bag for food
> scraps (and ferret poopy papers). This bag goes out daily.
>
> Gary

We're not supposed to put fats down here and you can get fined if they catch
you doing it. When I had one really bad clog, the plumber commented that
there was no fat in my drain and that was odd because people usually do. I
would never pour bacon grease down there but there could be some fat in the
food left on a plate or even in cat food and even when I do scrape the food
into a Biobag, small amounts of food will go down the drain.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:18:50 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:57:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> From what I've been told, you can't have one with septic. I used to
>>>> love
>>>> them.
>>>
>>> We had septic tanks when I was a kid. Both my mother and grandmother
>>> had garbage disposals and no problems that I heard of.
>>
>>Dunno on that for sure but it was Wayne Boatright who said it to me.
>
> They even make a special model for septic tanks that releases an
> enzyme when it runs.

Thanks! Didn't know that. I just remember telling him that my parents had
a disposal and septic tank. At least I thought they did. My mom has since
told me that they got rid of the septic tank when I was a kid. I don't
remember that happening. Hmmm...

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/13/2013 9:57 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:09:36 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> We moved my inlaws into a place that had a garbage disposal. Bad
>>> enough the new contraptions were confusing to them (why can't you
>>> just put dish soap in the dishwasher? Oh, that's why), the garbage
>>> disposal was nothing but trouble. Banana peels jammed up the thing
>>> but good. We told them not to use it any more.
>>
>> They have to rank right up with corn husks. I guess then never read
>> or maybe never had the instructions. Things like that can be difficult
>> for elderly to understand.
>
> Absolutely, and notice I said 'we moved' them there, they were
> both in stages of dementia.
>
> And after finding out about all the things you can't or shouldn't
> put down there, I might not qualify for elderly but I don't really
> understand what garbage disposals *are* good for. I would take mine
> out if it would cost money to do so.

And the lists I've seen, vary. One thing I read is that the most common
clog comes from the guts of pumpkins around this time of year. My mom pooh
poohed this and said that they always put them down with no problems. I've
also seen her do watermelon rinds, and tons of salad, neither of which I
think are supposed to go down there.

When I was a kid, we always dumped food down the toilet. Now I wonder how
common a practice this was/is because when I have mentioned it, people
always give me an odd look. But that's what we did after dinner. Take your
plate to the bathroom and scrape the food down the toilet. That's if there
was any food left on the plate. I have done the same while traveling and we
ate in our room. If I had any food scraps that is.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:26:44 -0400, Nancy Young
>
>>
>>Absolutely, and notice I said 'we moved' them there, they were
>>both in stages of dementia.
>
> I did notice that and that makes it more difficult to cope with
> appliances
>
I recently got into it with my mom over this!

When we moved back here 9 years ago she had a new flat topped stove. She
never figured out how to set the timer on it and had a heck of a time
getting the oven to come on. It is digital and I thought I should be able
to figure it out, but, no. So I had to use one of those little timers where
you set the dial.

But recently she decided that she needed to be in senior living (agree) and
sold most all of her stuff so that she could move, including the timer! Or
at least I couldn't find it. So I asked her if she had ever figured out how
to use the timer on the stove. She snapped at me, "Well of COURSE I know
how!" Then she barked at me to get out of the way and started poking at
buttons. It looked to me like she was setting the oven to come on, but I
couldn't get close enough to tell and when I mentioned this, she kicked me
out of the kitchen, then went stomping off in tears.

And both of my parents have picked up an annoying habit. They will see
something that isn't theirs and they don't know what it is. But they will
pick it up, say something like, "What's this?", and then start poking at it
and fiddling with it. My dad almost deleted apps on my daughter's phone and
my mom broke the car charger for the phone by pulling on the end that plugs
into the phone. What she thought she was doing, I will never know. I just
don't know what is possessing them to do this. That is not how we were
raised. We were told if it was not ours, not to touch it. Unless of course
it appeared to be a lost thing like a wallet. Then pick it up carefully and
without going through it, take it to the nearest authority.
>
>>
>>And after finding out about all the things you can't or shouldn't
>>put down there, I might not qualify for elderly but I don't really
>>understand what garbage disposals *are* good for. I would take mine
>>out if it would cost money to do so.
>
> I use it for stuff that will smell. Most bulky waste will end up on
> the compost pile or in the trash. Those three slices of lunchmeat you
> found in the back of the fridge though, can make a stink in the trash,
> so down the disposal and gone. When cutting up watermelon, the seeds
> end up in the sink so down they go. But if I cut a cantaloupe in
> half, I'll scrape the seeds into the trash. Most residue left on
> dinner plates is for the disposal, but tea leafs and coffee grounds
> are good for compost or trash.

That's why I didn't want to toss the eggs.
>
> I don't worry about some oil getting down the drain, but I pour animal
> fat into a jar for disposal so it does not congeal in the drain pipes.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Absolutely, and notice I said 'we moved' them there, they were
>> both in stages of dementia.
>

I am picturing what my mom does. Stuffs food down there with her hand while
it is running. I have tried to tell her that is not smart. She won't
listen. I used to use a fork or something but once in a while I would drop
it in and it would make contact with the blades. This house came with a
plastic stuffer. Works well.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:20:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:44:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Several plumbers have told me that
>> >> there is something stopping things up just beyond the sink. Either
>> >> something fell in the pipe or it makes a sharp turn when it shouldn't.
>> >> But
>> >> it is likely the sharp turn to get the water going back towards the
>> >> front
>> >> of
>> >> the house. The only way to investigate what the problem is would be
>> >> to
>> >> open
>> >> up the wall. And at that, the problem still might not be fixable.
>> >
>> > Find a plumber that has a snake with a camera on it.
>>
>> That won't work because they can't get it in there far enough to find
>> what
>> it is.
>
> I've seen them on TV and they can get out to the water main. So,
> you're saying that there is such a sharp turn that they can't get the
> snake past it? That pretty much tells you what/where the problem is.
> It's not a mystery. Open up the wall, throw some money at it and fix
> it.

Yes. And as I said... They may not be able to fix it. This house was
remodeled. What several have surmised is that they made the pipe turn in
such a way to get the water back around to the garage which is behind the
kitchen with the laundry room between. If that is the case, then there's
nothing they can do to fix it. Because the water needs to get to there.
Opening up the wall won't help in that case and I have no money to spend on
opening up a wall. We still need a roof and that has to take priority.

We had a cam here once when they were looking for the leak to the main line.
That cost me $2,000!

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:19:36 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >
>> >> The only wooden spoons I have are fancy rainbow ones. Not going to
>> >> ruin
>> >> one of those. Plus I could get it to spin freely. Or so I thought,.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Of all the things that go wrong at times, I hate plumbing problems the
>> > most.
>>
>> For me it's a tossup between that and a broken down vehicle.
>
> That's when I know it's time to either get a new battery or get a new
> car if changing the battery doesn't work.

Uh... There are tons of reasons why a car could break down. The battery
being just one. And if you buy a new car every time yours breaks down, you
must have a ton of money! So you are telling me that when one of your belts
breaks, you would replace the car rather than put on a new belt? *boggles*

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 14:52:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:



>
>I am picturing what my mom does. Stuffs food down there with her hand while
>it is running. I have tried to tell her that is not smart. She won't
>listen. I used to use a fork or something but once in a while I would drop
>it in and it would make contact with the blades. This house came with a
>plastic stuffer. Works well.

No problem here, We've always had a batch feed. Top is locked when
running. You can still get a spoon or fork in there though, then put
the top on.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
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> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
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>>>> The only wooden spoons I have are fancy rainbow ones. Not going to
>>>> ruin one of those. Plus I could get it to spin freely. Or so I
>>>> thought,.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of all the things that go wrong at times, I hate plumbing problems the
>>> most.
>>
>> For me it's a tossup between that and a broken down vehicle.
>
>
> I can agree with the broken down vehicle, especially when one is far from
> home. I remember that a lot in the old days when we weren't too flush and
> we had old used cars. Always in the heat too. :-(

We had it once in the heat on our way to NY. We had just bought the vehicle
too. Can't remember now which one that was. Bought it from my BIL. Then
when we were returning to NY in a snow storm, we broke down on the bridge.
That was just a belt. But we were freezing and all had to use the bathroom
badly because the snow had delayed our drive. Plus we had the cat with us
and all of our luggage and groceries. I used to do my shopping in PA when
we were there. To compound things, my husband made a stupid decision. He
had the van towed all the way back to PA so that his brother could fix it
for cheap.

Well, his brother was very booked up and couldn't get to it for 2 weeks. I
can't remember exactly what happened next. I think he had to take buses to
get home. Then after the van was fixed, BIL had to drive the van back to us
and then husband had to drive him home. BIL was not happy that husband did
this. He was like... Get it towed to a shop over there next time!

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 14:58:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:


>
>Uh... There are tons of reasons why a car could break down. The battery
>being just one. And if you buy a new car every time yours breaks down, you
>must have a ton of money! So you are telling me that when one of your belts
>breaks, you would replace the car rather than put on a new belt? *boggles*

Not so far fetched, really. I've been buying a new car every three
years and have had no breakdowns, only repairs being brakes on one of
them. Last car I traded only had oil changes every 7000 miles and a
set of tires.

I've also kept cars for 15 years and when they finally stopped running
just called a junk yard to come haul them away and then bought a new
one.

On 2013-10-13 6:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Not so far fetched, really. I've been buying a new car every three
> years and have had no breakdowns, only repairs being brakes on one of
> them. Last car I traded only had oil changes every 7000 miles and a
> set of tires.
>
> I've also kept cars for 15 years and when they finally stopped running
> just called a junk yard to come haul them away and then bought a new
> one.
>


My brother loves driving new cars and rarely keeps one more than three
years. When I was commuting, needed a reliable car to get to work, and
had a long commute I would burn out a car in about 5 years. Now that I
am retired and don't have pressure to be places, I extend the life of my
vehicles. My wife is still driving my mother's 97 Buick. I recently
bought a new CRV and was going to dump the Buick but she loves it, so I
got rid of my 2004 Civic instead.

Last year was an expensive year for the Buick, but less than $1000 for
repairs to keep in on the road. That is cheaper than a new car. I would
not want to take it on a road trip, but it is still handy for running
around locally.

On 10/13/2013 6:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Not so far fetched, really. I've been buying a new car every three
> years and have had no breakdowns, only repairs being brakes on one of
> them. Last car I traded only had oil changes every 7000 miles and a
> set of tires.
>
> I've also kept cars for 15 years and when they finally stopped running
> just called a junk yard to come haul them away and then bought a new
> one.

I've kept cars for 10 years and not had them break down on the
road aside from losing a muffler. I think I'm hard on mufflers.
Anyway, I keep up the oil changes and the cars don't let me down.

nancy

On 10/13/2013 6:20 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> The only wooden spoons I have are fancy rainbow ones. Not going to
>> ruin one of those. Plus I could get it to spin freely. Or so I
>> thought,.
>
>
>
> Of all the things that go wrong at times, I hate plumbing problems the
> most.
>
> Cheri

It's good to have a plumber in the family. In my case, I'm the plumber,
cook, appliance repair guy, automobile repair guy, chauffeur, go-fer
guy, and computer tech. I guess that's why they allow me to live here. :-)

On 2013-10-13 7:16 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

> That's the way to go. I bought a Maxima they were calling an
> executive car. Like one of the people at the dealership drove it.
> Maybe they were feeding me a line, but I got more car than I really
> could afford for a great price and I drove that one for a long time.
> A lot of times they come with a warranty, too.
>

When my mother had heart issues and lost her licence and had to sell her
car I offered to buy it. That 8 year old Buick cost me more than I
expected it would but it is still running great.

We bought our house back in 1977 and we were lucky that interest rates
had dropped from 10-1/2 to 10-1/4 % the day before we signed. Then when
we had to renew in 1982 it jumped to 18-1/2. Over the years it dropped.
Since we had had raises and had managed the higher mortgage payments we
kept paying at the higher monthly rates and paid off the mortgage early.
We burned the mortgage on my 45th birthday.


Over the years we have saved money and had some inheritances. Now we
have money in the bank... and we are geting like 1.5%...that sucks.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 14:58:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Uh... There are tons of reasons why a car could break down. The battery
>>being just one. And if you buy a new car every time yours breaks down,
>>you
>>must have a ton of money! So you are telling me that when one of your
>>belts
>>breaks, you would replace the car rather than put on a new belt?
>>*boggles*
>
> Not so far fetched, really. I've been buying a new car every three
> years and have had no breakdowns, only repairs being brakes on one of
> them. Last car I traded only had oil changes every 7000 miles and a
> set of tires.
>
> I've also kept cars for 15 years and when they finally stopped running
> just called a junk yard to come haul them away and then bought a new
> one.

I have never had a new car nor could I ever afford one.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
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> On 10/13/2013 6:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Not so far fetched, really. I've been buying a new car every three
>> years and have had no breakdowns, only repairs being brakes on one of
>> them. Last car I traded only had oil changes every 7000 miles and a
>> set of tires.
>>
>> I've also kept cars for 15 years and when they finally stopped running
>> just called a junk yard to come haul them away and then bought a new
>> one.
>
> I've kept cars for 10 years and not had them break down on the
> road aside from losing a muffler. I think I'm hard on mufflers.
> Anyway, I keep up the oil changes and the cars don't let me down.


I have not had this van *knock wood* break down yet but somewhat recently I
was afraid to drive it and was afraid it would so I had it towed. Turned out
that it was only a motor to the heater that broke but it made this loud
knocking sound and it was frightening. My van is a 2001 and I bought it
used, 9 years ago.

But when I had to drive that 1970 Maverick, it broke down about every 2
weeks. That car was just a money pit. Got to the point where any trip out
with it anywhere was like a big scary mystery. Would we get there? Would
we get back?

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
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> On 2013-10-13 7:16 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> That's the way to go. I bought a Maxima they were calling an
>> executive car. Like one of the people at the dealership drove it.
>> Maybe they were feeding me a line, but I got more car than I really
>> could afford for a great price and I drove that one for a long time.
>> A lot of times they come with a warranty, too.
>>
>
> When my mother had heart issues and lost her licence and had to sell her
> car I offered to buy it. That 8 year old Buick cost me more than I
> expected it would but it is still running great.
>
> We bought our house back in 1977 and we were lucky that interest rates had
> dropped from 10-1/2 to 10-1/4 % the day before we signed. Then when we had
> to renew in 1982 it jumped to 18-1/2. Over the years it dropped. Since we
> had had raises and had managed the higher mortgage payments we kept paying
> at the higher monthly rates and paid off the mortgage early. We burned the
> mortgage on my 45th birthday.
>
>
> Over the years we have saved money and had some inheritances. Now we have
> money in the bank... and we are geting like 1.5%...that sucks.

Buicks can cost a lot of money if you need repairs. My dad and husband had
them. Husband had to put a new (used) engine in his and that gave him a few
more years out of it but then when that one went, he got rid of it. He is
also not good on maintenance. He does do oil changes but seems to think
that and putting gas in there are all you have to do. And he is very hard
on his cars. Drives high miles, goes through the mountains, likes to drive
fast then slam on the brakes, etc.

> "Susan" > wrote in message

>> I can buy whatever I want, but as long as my car looks and feels good to
>> drive, I don't want to plunk down tens of thousands of dollars into
>> something that loses value the moment I take ownership. I like some
>> luxury, speed and fun driving, so initial cost is higher than is
>> essential, but I get my money's worth by the time I'm done.

Heard that. I bought a Toyota Tacoma Pre-Runner new in 2004. It just turned
20,000 miles, no ding or dents, tires still look new so I intend to keep it
until it stops or I stop. ;-)

Cheri