We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
cider is staging a comeback.
Janet Us

On Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:58:33 PM UTC-7, Janet Bostwick wrote:


> We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
> has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
> cider is staging a comeback.

What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
fridge, as the cider ferments.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:09:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>On Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:58:33 PM UTC-7, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>
>> We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
>> has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
>> cider is staging a comeback.
>
>What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
>from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
> fridge, as the cider ferments.

Haven't had fresh cider in years, ever since they turned all the fruit
orchards into subdivisions
Janet US

On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:09:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>On Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:58:33 PM UTC-7, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>
>> We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
>> has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
>> cider is staging a comeback.
>
>What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
>from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
> fridge, as the cider ferments.

Would probably ferment a lot better with an airlock instead of a
normal lid.

On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:20:34 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:09:06 -0700 (PDT),
>wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:58:33 PM UTC-7, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>
>>
>>> We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
>>> has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
>>> cider is staging a comeback.
>>
>>What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
>>from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
>> fridge, as the cider ferments.
>
>Would probably ferment a lot better with an airlock instead of a
>normal lid.

Probably wouldn't ferment any better but, at least it wouldn't explode
and make a mess in the fridge.

Ross.
Southern Ontario, Canada

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:39:21 -0400, Ross@home wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:20:34 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:09:06 -0700 (PDT),
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:58:33 PM UTC-7, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
>>>> has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
>>>> cider is staging a comeback.
>>>
>>>What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
>>>from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
>>> fridge, as the cider ferments.
>>
>>Would probably ferment a lot better with an airlock instead of a
>>normal lid.
>
>Probably wouldn't ferment any better but, at least it wouldn't explode
>and make a mess in the fridge.

Oh, I assumed it was put in the fridge with a lid (sealed) on the
bottle for some reason

On Monday, September 16, 2013 2:29:50 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:39:21 -0400, Ross@home wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:20:34 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>

> >>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:09:06 -0700 (PDT),
>
> >>wrote:
>

>
> >>>What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
> >>>from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
> >>> fridge, as the cider ferments.
>
> >>Would probably ferment a lot better with an airlock instead of a
> >>normal lid.
>
> >Probably wouldn't ferment any better but, at least it wouldn't explode
> >and make a mess in the fridge.
>
>
> Oh, I assumed it was put in the fridge with a lid (sealed) on the
> bottle for some reason

With the now-ubiquitous plastic bottles cider presses use, you have a visual
aid to the progress of fermentation. I like to drink a little every day -- it's
always a pleasant drink, at least from our local mill.

Don't bury it at the back of the fridge.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> According to Saveur magazine, hard cider is staging a comeback.

I only want "soft" cider.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:17:25 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> According to Saveur magazine, hard cider is staging a comeback.
>
>I only want "soft" cider.

real cider is lovely, but I really dislike apple juice. They are not
the same thing.
Janet US

On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 00:05:05 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:17:25 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>>
>>> According to Saveur magazine, hard cider is staging a comeback.
>>
>>I only want "soft" cider.
>
>real cider is lovely, but I really dislike apple juice. They are not
>the same thing.
>Janet US

Well, there is:
Unfiltered apple juice
Filtered and Pasteurized apple juice (most of what is in the stores)
Unfiltered cider, not pasteurized
Pasteurized cider
Hard Cider

All have different taste and appearance. Probably a variation that I
did not mention too.

On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 00:05:05 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:17:25 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
> >
> >> According to Saveur magazine, hard cider is staging a comeback.
> >
> >I only want "soft" cider.
>
> real cider is lovely, but I really dislike apple juice. They are not
> the same thing.

Much agreement!



--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 9/15/2013 2:36 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 00:05:05 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:17:25 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to Saveur magazine, hard cider is staging a comeback.
>>>
>>> I only want "soft" cider.
>>
>> real cider is lovely, but I really dislike apple juice. They are not
>> the same thing.
>
> Much agreement!
>

In Britain, the first cider I came across was hard cider. It bears a
great responsibility for getting me off the wagon at 16 where I'd been
since I was 8. I never came across apple juice before coming to America
but I'll admit that, when refrigerated, it's a pleasant cold drink.

I wonder if anyone else has come across imported Crabbie's Alcoholic
Ginger Beer? It has about the sweetness of hard cider and is an
addictive cold drink.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

Keep some aspirin handy. That stuff gives a hangover from heck. The process to make it works just about opposite to distilling. With distilling a person has a chance to cull out the unpleasant parts..methanol..tannins..and a bunch of other nice chemicals which are left in the base wine after the slushy making hard cider procedure. Its like drinking highly concentrated wine with a bunch of other highly concentrated nasty stuff. Salud!

On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:02:24 PM UTC-7, bigwheel wrote:
> Janet Bostwick;1865991 Wrote:
>
> > We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
> > has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
> > cider is staging a comeback.
>
>
>
> Keep some aspirin handy. That stuff gives a hangover from heck. The
> process to make it works just about opposite to distilling. With
> distilling a person has a chance to cull out the unpleasant
> parts..methanol..tannins..and a bunch of other nice chemicals which are
> left in the base wine after the slushy making hard cider procedure. Its
> like drinking highly concentrated wine with a bunch of other highly
> concentrated nasty stuff. Salud!
>

Hard cider just means cider that has fermented, not fermented cider that has
been freeze-concentrated.

It may be only in America where cider refers to an unfermented beverage,
necessitating the use of an adjective like "hard" to clarify.

And spirits of cider, like Calvados, are made in a pot still, which conserves
aromatics as well as the congeners you warn against in freeze concentrated
cider.

Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that is left over to the kids. It also works to place a judicial amount in the freezer for a week or two. Where are you from..anyhow? I am smelling a McCoy.

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:23:39 PM UTC-7, bigwheel wrote:
> ;1867663 Wrote:
>

> > Hard cider just means cider that has fermented, not fermented cider that
> > has
> > been freeze-concentrated.
>
> >
>
> > It may be only in America where cider refers to an unfermented beverage,
> > necessitating the use of an adjective like "hard" to clarify.
> > And spirits of cider, like Calvados, are made in a pot still, which
> > conserves
> > aromatics as well as the congeners you warn against in freeze
> > concentrated
> > cider.
>
>
>
> Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
> by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
> off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
> is left over to the kids. It also works to place a judicial amount in
> the freezer for a week or two. Where are you from..anyhow? I am smelling
> a McCoy.
>
>

America knows the freeze concentrated beverage as applejack. Apple wine is
fermented apple juice to which sugar has been added. I suspect wheel is
some sort of Russkie Commie infiltrator. Or some newbie who can't distinguish
beer (the fermented beverage) from whiskey (the distilled spirit of beer).

Dang rude yankees know how to hurt folks feeling purty bad huh? Ok who aint drank a frozen beer? The part that dont freeze is where the action is at. Dont make me come up there thanks.

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:23:39 +0100, bigwheel
> wrote:


>Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
>by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
>off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
>is left over to the kids.

That sounds a lot like freeze distillation...

> It also works to place a judicial amount in
>the freezer for a week or two.

Yep, freeze distillation. I've done that with mead but not cider.

On 2013-09-23 2:56 AM, Jeßus wrote:

>
>> Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
>> by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
>> off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
>> is left over to the kids.
>
> That sounds a lot like freeze distillation...
>

AKA fractional freezing. The water freezes and the alcohol is poured off.

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:56:43 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:23:39 +0100, bigwheel
> > wrote:
>
>
> >Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
> >by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
> >off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
> >is left over to the kids.
>
> That sounds a lot like freeze distillation...
>
> > It also works to place a judicial amount in
> >the freezer for a week or two.
>
> Yep, freeze distillation. I've done that with mead but not cider.

I guess you've never had the pleasure of picking an apple from a tree
and biting into it to discover the *best* tasting cider inside. We
had an old & ignored apple orchard on the property where I grew up and
doing that was a Fall treat.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Nope..its called making hard cider. Somebody is tricking all the yups on this deal.

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:56:43 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:23:39 +0100, bigwheel
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
>
> >by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
>
> >off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
>
> >is left over to the kids.
>
> That sounds a lot like freeze distillation...
>
> > It also works to place a judicial amount in
>
> >the freezer for a week or two.
>
> Yep, freeze distillation. I've done that with mead but not cider.

Distillation involves boiling. I'm pretty sure when cider is freezing at one atmosphere, it is not also boiling.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:02:32 -0300, wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>>We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
>>has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
>>cider is staging a comeback.
>>Janet Us
>
>I hope, love it, just starting to appear here.

we are enjoying it. According to the article, the brewers can vary
the flavor so that some are like wine, others have different flavors.
I think I understand that the type of yeast used makes a difference.
I've been buying straight 'apple.'
Janet US

On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:42:34 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:02:32 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>>
>>>We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
>>>has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
>>>cider is staging a comeback.
>>>Janet Us
>>
>>I hope, love it, just starting to appear here.
>
>we are enjoying it. According to the article, the brewers can vary
>the flavor so that some are like wine, others have different flavors.
>I think I understand that the type of yeast used makes a difference.

The yeast certainly does make a difference.

On Sunday, September 15, 2013 6:29:08 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>
> When I go over to the UK it's all I drink. My uncle stores up all
> sorts to try and all the pubs usually have interesting ones. The most
> fiendish I ever had was in Devon, quarter pint of that and it was hard
> to stand up later

When I used to live in the UK (1970s) the best
(only?) cider, known as scrumpy, came from the
west country. It was so strong that if the
publican didn't know you he'd limit you to just
one.

There's also a horrible drink, generally known as
cider, that is non alcoholic and is basically fizzy apple juice.

http://www.richardfisher.com

Helpful person wrote:
> On Sunday, September 15, 2013 6:29:08 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>>
>> When I go over to the UK it's all I drink. My uncle stores up all
>> sorts to try and all the pubs usually have interesting ones. The most
>> fiendish I ever had was in Devon, quarter pint of that and it was hard
>> to stand up later
>
> When I used to live in the UK (1970s) the best
> (only?) cider, known as scrumpy, came from the
> west country. It was so strong that if the
> publican didn't know you he'd limit you to just
> one.
>
> There's also a horrible drink, generally known as
> cider, that is non alcoholic and is basically fizzy apple juice.
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com

Horrible to you. You remind me that I need to be on the lookout for
cider that has not been pasteurized.

--
Jean B.