Hard Cider
 

We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
cider is staging a comeback.
Janet Us

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On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:02:32 -0300, wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>>We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
>>has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
>>cider is staging a comeback.
>>Janet Us
>
>I hope, love it, just starting to appear here.

we are enjoying it. According to the article, the brewers can vary
the flavor so that some are like wine, others have different flavors.
I think I understand that the type of yeast used makes a difference.
I've been buying straight 'apple.'
Janet US

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On Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:58:33 PM UTC-7, Janet Bostwick wrote:


> We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
> has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
> cider is staging a comeback.

What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
fridge, as the cider ferments.

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On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:09:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>On Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:58:33 PM UTC-7, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>
>> We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
>> has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
>> cider is staging a comeback.
>
>What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
>from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
> fridge, as the cider ferments.

Haven't had fresh cider in years, ever since they turned all the fruit
orchards into subdivisions
Janet US

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On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:42:34 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:02:32 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>>
>>>We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
>>>has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
>>>cider is staging a comeback.
>>>Janet Us
>>
>>I hope, love it, just starting to appear here.
>
>we are enjoying it. According to the article, the brewers can vary
>the flavor so that some are like wine, others have different flavors.
>I think I understand that the type of yeast used makes a difference.

The yeast certainly does make a difference.

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On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:09:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>On Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:58:33 PM UTC-7, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>
>> We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
>> has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
>> cider is staging a comeback.
>
>What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
>from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
> fridge, as the cider ferments.

Would probably ferment a lot better with an airlock instead of a
normal lid.

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On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> According to Saveur magazine, hard cider is staging a comeback.

I only want "soft" cider.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

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On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:17:25 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> According to Saveur magazine, hard cider is staging a comeback.
>
>I only want "soft" cider.

real cider is lovely, but I really dislike apple juice. They are not
the same thing.
Janet US

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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 00:05:05 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:17:25 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>>
>>> According to Saveur magazine, hard cider is staging a comeback.
>>
>>I only want "soft" cider.
>
>real cider is lovely, but I really dislike apple juice. They are not
>the same thing.
>Janet US

Well, there is:
Unfiltered apple juice
Filtered and Pasteurized apple juice (most of what is in the stores)
Unfiltered cider, not pasteurized
Pasteurized cider
Hard Cider

All have different taste and appearance. Probably a variation that I
did not mention too.

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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 00:05:05 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:17:25 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
> >
> >> According to Saveur magazine, hard cider is staging a comeback.
> >
> >I only want "soft" cider.
>
> real cider is lovely, but I really dislike apple juice. They are not
> the same thing.

Much agreement!



--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

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On 9/15/2013 2:36 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 00:05:05 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:17:25 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:58:33 -0600, Janet Bostwick
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to Saveur magazine, hard cider is staging a comeback.
>>>
>>> I only want "soft" cider.
>>
>> real cider is lovely, but I really dislike apple juice. They are not
>> the same thing.
>
> Much agreement!
>

In Britain, the first cider I came across was hard cider. It bears a
great responsibility for getting me off the wagon at 16 where I'd been
since I was 8. I never came across apple juice before coming to America
but I'll admit that, when refrigerated, it's a pleasant cold drink.

I wonder if anyone else has come across imported Crabbie's Alcoholic
Ginger Beer? It has about the sweetness of hard cider and is an
addictive cold drink.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:20:34 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:09:06 -0700 (PDT),
>wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:58:33 PM UTC-7, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>
>>
>>> We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
>>> has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
>>> cider is staging a comeback.
>>
>>What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
>>from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
>> fridge, as the cider ferments.
>
>Would probably ferment a lot better with an airlock instead of a
>normal lid.

Probably wouldn't ferment any better but, at least it wouldn't explode
and make a mess in the fridge.

Ross.
Southern Ontario, Canada

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On Sunday, September 15, 2013 6:29:08 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>
> When I go over to the UK it's all I drink. My uncle stores up all
> sorts to try and all the pubs usually have interesting ones. The most
> fiendish I ever had was in Devon, quarter pint of that and it was hard
> to stand up later :)

When I used to live in the UK (1970s) the best
(only?) cider, known as scrumpy, came from the
west country. It was so strong that if the
publican didn't know you he'd limit you to just
one.

There's also a horrible drink, generally known as
cider, that is non alcoholic and is basically fizzy apple juice.

http://www.richardfisher.com

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On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:39:21 -0400, Ross@home wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:20:34 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:09:06 -0700 (PDT),
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Saturday, September 14, 2013 4:58:33 PM UTC-7, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
>>>> has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
>>>> cider is staging a comeback.
>>>
>>>What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
>>>from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
>>> fridge, as the cider ferments.
>>
>>Would probably ferment a lot better with an airlock instead of a
>>normal lid.
>
>Probably wouldn't ferment any better but, at least it wouldn't explode
>and make a mess in the fridge.

Oh, I assumed it was put in the fridge with a lid (sealed) on the
bottle for some reason :p

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Helpful person wrote:
> On Sunday, September 15, 2013 6:29:08 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>>
>> When I go over to the UK it's all I drink. My uncle stores up all
>> sorts to try and all the pubs usually have interesting ones. The most
>> fiendish I ever had was in Devon, quarter pint of that and it was hard
>> to stand up later :)
>
> When I used to live in the UK (1970s) the best
> (only?) cider, known as scrumpy, came from the
> west country. It was so strong that if the
> publican didn't know you he'd limit you to just
> one.
>
> There's also a horrible drink, generally known as
> cider, that is non alcoholic and is basically fizzy apple juice.
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com

Horrible to you. You remind me that I need to be on the lookout for
cider that has not been pasteurized.

--
Jean B.

Keep some aspirin handy. That stuff gives a hangover from heck. The process to make it works just about opposite to distilling. With distilling a person has a chance to cull out the unpleasant parts..methanol..tannins..and a bunch of other nice chemicals which are left in the base wine after the slushy making hard cider procedure. Its like drinking highly concentrated wine with a bunch of other highly concentrated nasty stuff. Salud!

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On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:02:24 PM UTC-7, bigwheel wrote:
> Janet Bostwick;1865991 Wrote:
>
> > We've been drinking hard cider these last few weeks. The supermarket
> > has several varieties available. According to Saveur magazine, hard
> > cider is staging a comeback.
>
>
>
> Keep some aspirin handy. That stuff gives a hangover from heck. The
> process to make it works just about opposite to distilling. With
> distilling a person has a chance to cull out the unpleasant
> parts..methanol..tannins..and a bunch of other nice chemicals which are
> left in the base wine after the slushy making hard cider procedure. Its
> like drinking highly concentrated wine with a bunch of other highly
> concentrated nasty stuff. Salud!
>

Hard cider just means cider that has fermented, not fermented cider that has
been freeze-concentrated.

It may be only in America where cider refers to an unfermented beverage,
necessitating the use of an adjective like "hard" to clarify.

And spirits of cider, like Calvados, are made in a pot still, which conserves
aromatics as well as the congeners you warn against in freeze concentrated
cider.

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On Monday, September 16, 2013 2:29:50 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:39:21 -0400, Ross@home wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:20:34 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>

> >>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:09:06 -0700 (PDT),
>
> >>wrote:
>

>
> >>>What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
> >>>from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
> >>> fridge, as the cider ferments.
>
> >>Would probably ferment a lot better with an airlock instead of a
> >>normal lid.
>
> >Probably wouldn't ferment any better but, at least it wouldn't explode
> >and make a mess in the fridge.
>
>
> Oh, I assumed it was put in the fridge with a lid (sealed) on the
> bottle for some reason :p

With the now-ubiquitous plastic bottles cider presses use, you have a visual
aid to the progress of fermentation. I like to drink a little every day -- it's
always a pleasant drink, at least from our local mill.

Don't bury it at the back of the fridge.

Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that is left over to the kids. It also works to place a judicial amount in the freezer for a week or two. Where are you from..anyhow? I am smelling a McCoy.

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On Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:23:39 PM UTC-7, bigwheel wrote:
> ;1867663 Wrote:
>

> > Hard cider just means cider that has fermented, not fermented cider that
> > has
> > been freeze-concentrated.
>
> >
>
> > It may be only in America where cider refers to an unfermented beverage,
> > necessitating the use of an adjective like "hard" to clarify.
> > And spirits of cider, like Calvados, are made in a pot still, which
> > conserves
> > aromatics as well as the congeners you warn against in freeze
> > concentrated
> > cider.
>
>
>
> Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
> by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
> off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
> is left over to the kids. It also works to place a judicial amount in
> the freezer for a week or two. Where are you from..anyhow? I am smelling
> a McCoy.
>
>

America knows the freeze concentrated beverage as applejack. Apple wine is
fermented apple juice to which sugar has been added. I suspect wheel is
some sort of Russkie Commie infiltrator. Or some newbie who can't distinguish
beer (the fermented beverage) from whiskey (the distilled spirit of beer).

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On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:23:39 +0100, bigwheel
> wrote:


>Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
>by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
>off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
>is left over to the kids.

That sounds a lot like freeze distillation...

> It also works to place a judicial amount in
>the freezer for a week or two.

Yep, freeze distillation. I've done that with mead but not cider.

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On 2013-09-23 2:56 AM, Jeßus wrote:

>
>> Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
>> by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
>> off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
>> is left over to the kids.
>
> That sounds a lot like freeze distillation...
>

AKA fractional freezing. The water freezes and the alcohol is poured off.

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On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:56:43 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:23:39 +0100, bigwheel
> > wrote:
>
>
> >Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
> >by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
> >off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
> >is left over to the kids.
>
> That sounds a lot like freeze distillation...
>
> > It also works to place a judicial amount in
> >the freezer for a week or two.
>
> Yep, freeze distillation. I've done that with mead but not cider.

I guess you've never had the pleasure of picking an apple from a tree
and biting into it to discover the *best* tasting cider inside. We
had an old & ignored apple orchard on the property where I grew up and
doing that was a Fall treat.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

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On 2013-09-23 10:25 AM, sf wrote:

> I guess you've never had the pleasure of picking an apple from a tree
> and biting into it to discover the *best* tasting cider inside. We
> had an old & ignored apple orchard on the property where I grew up and
> doing that was a Fall treat.
>


We used to have apple orchards next to us. The one that was right next
door was in active production and the older one behind that was being
half assed tended by that same farmer. Back in the far corner there was
a snow apple tree. They are very special apple, picked very late in the
season and have white flesh, sometimes with pink it them. I rarely eat
apples but I used to love to grab an apple off the tree and have a snack.

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On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:55:05 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
snip
>
>We used to have apple orchards next to us. The one that was right next
>door was in active production and the older one behind that was being
>half assed tended by that same farmer. Back in the far corner there was
>a snow apple tree. They are very special apple, picked very late in the
>season and have white flesh, sometimes with pink it them. I rarely eat
>apples but I used to love to grab an apple off the tree and have a snack.

Wow! I truly miss snow apples. I haven't seen those since I left
Wisconsin. We'd take Sunday afternoon drives around the countryside
and stop at farms that had signs out at the gate advertising apples.
We would buy 3-4 bushels of apples of different kinds -- some for
applesauce, some for eating right now and some we would wrap in
newspaper and store in the cool, dark basement for winter eating. We'd
also get winter squash and corn stalks. My mother always let me pick
out the winter squash and I would pick the ones with the oddest shapes
and most beautiful colors. The corn stalks were free.
The on the way home we would look for things growing in the roadside
on bushes -- various nuts, berries and we'd always looked for
bittersweet (my mom decorated with it)
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...ne&FO RM=IGRE
or
http://tinyurl.com/mcbtnsr
:o)
Janet US

Dang rude yankees know how to hurt folks feeling purty bad huh? Ok who aint drank a frozen beer? The part that dont freeze is where the action is at. Dont make me come up there thanks.

Nope..its called making hard cider. Somebody is tricking all the yups on this deal.

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On 2013-09-23 4:18 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:

>> We used to have apple orchards next to us. The one that was right next
>> door was in active production and the older one behind that was being
>> half assed tended by that same farmer. Back in the far corner there was
>> a snow apple tree. They are very special apple, picked very late in the
>> season and have white flesh, sometimes with pink it them. I rarely eat
>> apples but I used to love to grab an apple off the tree and have a snack.
>
> Wow! I truly miss snow apples. I haven't seen those since I left
> Wisconsin.

I miss them too. That orchard is gone now. I don't remember ever seeing
them for sale in a store anywhere. They were the only apples I ever
really liked to eat.


W
> The on the way home we would look for things growing in the roadside
> on bushes -- various nuts, berries and we'd always looked for
> bittersweet (my mom decorated with it)
> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...ne&FO RM=IGRE
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/mcbtnsr

What a coincidence. I just saw that stuff for the first time yesterday
morning. I was on group paddle with my kayak club and came across a
bunch of it. I don't remember ever seeing it before and had no idea what
it was.

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On Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:56:43 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:23:39 +0100, bigwheel
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
>
> >by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
>
> >off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
>
> >is left over to the kids.
>
> That sounds a lot like freeze distillation...
>
> > It also works to place a judicial amount in
>
> >the freezer for a week or two.
>
> Yep, freeze distillation. I've done that with mead but not cider.

Distillation involves boiling. I'm pretty sure when cider is freezing at one atmosphere, it is not also boiling.

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On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 22:27:47 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>On Monday, September 16, 2013 2:29:50 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:39:21 -0400, Ross@home wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:20:34 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>
>> >>On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:09:06 -0700 (PDT),
>>
>> >>wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> >>>What's also fun is to buy sweet cider from the mill, with natural yeasts
>> >>>from the skins. You will see the plastic jug turn rock hard, even in the
>> >>> fridge, as the cider ferments.
>>
>> >>Would probably ferment a lot better with an airlock instead of a
>> >>normal lid.
>>
>> >Probably wouldn't ferment any better but, at least it wouldn't explode
>> >and make a mess in the fridge.
>>
>>
>> Oh, I assumed it was put in the fridge with a lid (sealed) on the
>> bottle for some reason :p
>
>With the now-ubiquitous plastic bottles cider presses use, you have a visual
>aid to the progress of fermentation. I like to drink a little every day -- it's
>always a pleasant drink, at least from our local mill.

We have nothing like that in Australia (to my knowledge), such a shame
because it sounds wonderful. All we have is apple juice and alcoholic
apple cider (fermented with cultured yeast and sugar).

>Don't bury it at the back of the fridge.

Noted. My orchard is only 3 to 4 years old, I have many heritage apple
varieties and I can't wait to try making all sort of things with the
fruit, including this 'cider' as you have described.

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On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:14:14 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2013-09-23 2:56 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>
>>> Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
>>> by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
>>> off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
>>> is left over to the kids.
>>
>> That sounds a lot like freeze distillation...
>>
>
>AKA fractional freezing. The water freezes and the alcohol is poured off.

Yep.

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On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:47:04 +0100, bigwheel
> wrote:

>
>'Jeßus[_3_ Wrote:
>> ;1867908']On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:23:39 +0100, bigwheel
>> wrote:
>>
>> -
>> Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
>> by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
>> off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
>> is left over to the kids.-
>>
>> That sounds a lot like freeze distillation...
>> -
>> It also works to place a judicial amount in
>> the freezer for a week or two. -
>>
>> Yep, freeze distillation. I've done that with mead but not cider.
>
>Nope..its called making hard cider. Somebody is tricking all the yups on
>this deal.

Okay... it hard to keep up with the national/regional difference in
terminology, we have no such thing in Australia as 'hard cider', or if
we do, it's limited to a very few producers. Plain old alcoholic apple
cider OTOH is in vogue here, I've lost count of how many boutique
brewers there are just in Tasmania now.

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On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:02:39 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>On Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:56:43 PM UTC-7, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:23:39 +0100, bigwheel
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Yall must be from the other side of the mountain. Hard cider gets hard
>>
>> >by setting apple wine out in the elements during a cold snap..pouring
>>
>> >off the good stuff that dont freeze itself and giving the snowball that
>>
>> >is left over to the kids.
>>
>> That sounds a lot like freeze distillation...
>>
>> > It also works to place a judicial amount in
>>
>> >the freezer for a week or two.
>>
>> Yep, freeze distillation. I've done that with mead but not cider.
>
>Distillation involves boiling. I'm pretty sure when cider is freezing at one atmosphere, it is not also boiling.

We quibble over terms and definitions... I'd define distillation as
any process that separates alcohol (in all it's forms) from other
substances :)

Fact is have two apple tree in the backyard as we speak. Have ate a few off the tree when the wasps and mocking birds decide to leave me a few..lol.

Right O..old chap. Might best be thought of as the reverse of distillation. Now if a person took some fresh squeezed non alcoholic apple juice/cider which was allowed to ferment to 12% ABV (that is alcohol by volume..in case there is in illiterate folks on he) ..and froze as above..then dumped off the liquid goodies into the corn squeezings jug..that would be hard cider. Si si? lol

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On 9/23/2013 5:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2013-09-23 4:18 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>>> We used to have apple orchards next to us. The one that was right
>>> next
>>> door was in active production and the older one behind that was being
>>> half assed tended by that same farmer. Back in the far corner there
>>> was
>>> a snow apple tree. They are very special apple, picked very late in
>>> the
>>> season and have white flesh, sometimes with pink it them. I rarely
>>> eat
>>> apples but I used to love to grab an apple off the tree and have a
>>> snack.
>>
>> Wow! I truly miss snow apples. I haven't seen those since I left
>> Wisconsin.
>
> I miss them too. That orchard is gone now. I don't remember ever
> seeing them for sale in a store anywhere. They were the only apples I
> ever really liked to eat.

You can buy the trees from Jung's:

http://www.jungseed.com/dp.asp?pID=30524

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On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:30:55 PM UTC-7, bigwheel wrote:
> ;1868132 Wrote:
>
>
> Right O..old chap. Might best be thought of as the reverse of
> distillation. Now if a person took some fresh squeezed non alcoholic
> apple juice/cider which was allowed to ferment to 12% ABV (that is
> alcohol by volume..in case there is in illiterate folks on he) ..and
> froze as above..then dumped off the liquid goodies into the corn
> squeezings jug..that would be hard cider. Si si? lol
>
>

But apples don't contain that much sugar, so they would only make about half
that much alcohol. You would have to feed sugar to the fresh cider.

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On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:01:26 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
wrote:

>On 9/23/2013 5:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2013-09-23 4:18 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>
>>>> We used to have apple orchards next to us. The one that was right
>>>> next
>>>> door was in active production and the older one behind that was being
>>>> half assed tended by that same farmer. Back in the far corner there
>>>> was
>>>> a snow apple tree. They are very special apple, picked very late in
>>>> the
>>>> season and have white flesh, sometimes with pink it them. I rarely
>>>> eat
>>>> apples but I used to love to grab an apple off the tree and have a
>>>> snack.
>>>
>>> Wow! I truly miss snow apples. I haven't seen those since I left
>>> Wisconsin.
>>
>> I miss them too. That orchard is gone now. I don't remember ever
>> seeing them for sale in a store anywhere. They were the only apples I
>> ever really liked to eat.
>
>You can buy the trees from Jung's:
>
>http://www.jungseed.com/dp.asp?pID=30524

A Wisconsin seller. I don't have the room for a tree.
Janet US