On Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:55:43 AM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
> Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
>
> one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
>
> so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
>
> small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
>
> coffee a while ago.
>
>
>
> It's this model:
>
> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&


a. Made in China?

b . Have you tested it against just a pan of water on the stove or in the mike?

Is time so precious that an extra minute will matter much?

On 8/10/2013 9:45 AM, Kalmia wrote:
> On Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:55:43 AM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
>> Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
>>
>> one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
>>
>> so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
>>
>> small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
>>
>> coffee a while ago.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's this model:
>>
>> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
>
>
> a. Made in China?
>
> b . Have you tested it against just a pan of water on the stove or in the mike?
>
> Is time so precious that an extra minute will matter much?
>
Yes, actually. But it isn't about a minute. It's a full kettle for
whatever I need scalding hot water for. I think it's a good idea to have.

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Cheryl wrote:
>
> On 8/10/2013 9:45 AM, Kalmia wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:55:43 AM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
> >> Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
> >>
> >> one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
> >>
> >> so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
> >>
> >> small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
> >>
> >> coffee a while ago.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It's this model:
> >>
> >> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
> >
> >
> > a. Made in China?
> >
> > b . Have you tested it against just a pan of water on the stove or in the mike?
> >
> > Is time so precious that an extra minute will matter much?
> >
> Yes, actually. But it isn't about a minute. It's a full kettle for
> whatever I need scalding hot water for. I think it's a good idea to have.
>

Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.

In article >,
says...

> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.

190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
water dispensers are no good for making tea.

Janet UK

Janet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
>
> > Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
> > the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
> > water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
>
> 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
> water dispensers are no good for making tea.
>
> Janet UK
>
>

They're adjustable, the more expensive ones do 200F (and have more
safeties).

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 13:56:52 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>Janet wrote:
>>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>> > Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
>> > the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
>> > water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
>>
>> 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
>> water dispensers are no good for making tea.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
>They're adjustable, the more expensive ones do 200F.

Yeah, $200 for a silly gizmo vs a $40 electric kettle... and 200º
still ain't boiling water.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:36:59 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>
>> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
>> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
>> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
>
> 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
>water dispensers are no good for making tea.
>
> Janet UK

Depends on the tea.
When I make tea (every day) I stop heating the water before it boils.
Most black teas brew best at about 205, many are better at lower
temperatures. I drink various Ceylon loose teas, but the typical
bags can take a bit more heat.

As always, it is subject to taste, but here is a guide
http://www.chefschoice.com/tips_m688.html

In article >,
Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:36:59 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> >says...
> >
> >> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
> >> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
> >> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
> >
> > 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
> >water dispensers are no good for making tea.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> Depends on the tea.
> When I make tea (every day) I stop heating the water before it boils.
> Most black teas brew best at about 205, many are better at lower
> temperatures. I drink various Ceylon loose teas, but the typical
> bags can take a bit more heat.

Yes. Darjeeling and green oolong and ti kuan yin are
best brewed at 170 to 180 deg F in my experience.

> As always, it is subject to taste, but here is a guide
> http://www.chefschoice.com/tips_m688.html

More people need to know this.

--
Michael Press

In article >,
says...
>
> In article >,
> Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:36:59 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >
> > >In article >,
> > >says...
> > >
> > >> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
> > >> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
> > >> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
> > >
> > > 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
> > >water dispensers are no good for making tea.
> > >
> > > Janet UK
> >
> > Depends on the tea.
> > When I make tea (every day) I stop heating the water before it boils.
> > Most black teas brew best at about 205, many are better at lower
> > temperatures. I drink various Ceylon loose teas, but the typical
> > bags can take a bit more heat.
>
> Yes. Darjeeling and green oolong and ti kuan yin are
> best brewed at 170 to 180 deg F in my experience.
>
> > As always, it is subject to taste, but here is a guide
> > http://www.chefschoice.com/tips_m688.html
>
> More people need to know this.

Plain, ordinary, black tea needs boiling water although some people seem
to have a knack for breaking the rules and still making the most
delicious tea.

Personally, I drink green tea and just leave the water a few minutes
before I use it and that allows it to drop to the required temperature.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 19:36:59 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>
>> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
>> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
>> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
>
> 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
>water dispensers are no good for making tea.

True... and when placed into a cold cup water drops another 20º.
And those thingies will not give you hot water anytime you want it,
they have rather small capacity and e **** poor recovery rate... only
the first cup will be 190ºF, unless one waits a few minutes the next
cup will be about 150ºF, by the third cup it'll be bath water.

Janet > wrote:

> 190 F is well below the boiling point of water (212F), so such hot
> water dispensers are no good for making tea.

They are actually not at all bad for making some kinds of tea, not even
all that bad for most kinds of black tea. Water should not be actually
boiling, as in rolling boil - for any kind of tea. The optimal stage for
most black teas is the so-called "white boiling," the one immediately
preceding the rolling boil - and one at which the temperature is still
below the boiling point of 100°C. You can actually see that stage if
you boil water in a transparent vessel. You can also hear it - it is
the loudest stage - that is when you are supposed to take your kettle
off the fire (or switch it off) at once, not waiting for the stage to
end or even to proceed.

I've been posting about this for decades; here are a couple of examples:
> or
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.food.cooking/_xoFpRfNNys/nhJzdrGbpMYJ>
> or
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.food.cooking/c56FOPnwxPk/kU_bJ76UftgJ>

Of course, all of this only matters if one really does care about one's
tea, using tea and water of the highest quality. If one adds sugar,
milk or anything else, the above doesn't matter much at all. Often
enough I drink tea with lemon; I use boiling water to make it.

Victor

On 8/10/2013 1:36 PM, Pete C. wrote:

> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.

I'm familiar with those, but it will cost me a lot more to have that
installed than just use an electric kettle. What a silly argument.

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:36:55 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> On 8/10/2013 9:45 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>> > On Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:55:43 AM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
>> >> Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
>> >>
>> >> one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
>> >>
>> >> so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
>> >>
>> >> small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
>> >>
>> >> coffee a while ago.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It's this model:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
>> >
>> >
>> > a. Made in China?
>> >
>> > b . Have you tested it against just a pan of water on the stove or in the mike?
>> >
>> > Is time so precious that an extra minute will matter much?
>> >
>> Yes, actually. But it isn't about a minute. It's a full kettle for
>> whatever I need scalding hot water for. I think it's a good idea to have.
>>
>
>Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
>the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
>water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.

Those things are a costly way to have hot water, they work like a
typical tank type hot water heater absd have a poor recovery rate...
it's wasteful to maintain hot water 24/7 even if not used, and 190ºF
is not hot enough for properly brewing tea... you must be used to
resto pish vasser. An electric tea kettle works like a tankless
on-demand water heater, and it gives you boiling water, 212ºF.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 18:59:39 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 10-Aug-2013, "Pete C." > wrote:
>
>> Search "hot water dispenser" on the 'Depo, Lowe's, etc. sites and see
>> the nice built in hot water dispenser models that will give you 190F
>> water any time you want and take essentially no counter space.
>
>Perhaps they are better now; but, what a waste of money and effort mine
>were. I owned 3 during twenty of the past 35 years; all were Kenmore,
>manufactured by and identical to the, then top-rated, In-sink-a-rator
>brand. All three were repaired multiple times (replaced thermal
>switches a couple of times, tank seam leak once) before ultimate failure
>of the heating element.
>
>I no longer buy and maintain worthless gewgaws, gimcracks and doodads
>that "save time and efffort". My life is improved by no longer having a
>hot water dispenser, ice cube maker or garbage disposal. The amount of
>time and effort saved is not by installing these things but by getting
>rid of them.

I concur. Some monkeys will buy every POS advertized on TV.

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:04:59 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 8/10/2013 9:45 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:55:43 AM UTC-4, Cheryl wrote:
>>> Well, more of an appliance. An electric water kettle. I've been wanting
>>>
>>> one and used a couple of BBB gift cards to gift myself. It boils water
>>>
>>> so fast (about 2 mins) I'm amazed, because the heating element is fairly
>>>
>>> small. I've been enjoying hot tea again in the morning since I gave up
>>>
>>> coffee a while ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's this model:
>>>
>>> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/prod...?sku=40656649&
>>
>>
>> a. Made in China?
>>
>> b . Have you tested it against just a pan of water on the stove or in the mike?
>>
>> Is time so precious that an extra minute will matter much?
>>
>Yes, actually. But it isn't about a minute. It's a full kettle for
>whatever I need scalding hot water for. I think it's a good idea to have.

The most advantageous feature of electric tea kettles is that they are
thermostastically controlled, they bring water exactly to the boil
with no guesswork (no nuker timer to futz with) and shut off... so if
you happen to walk away to do something else and become distracted you
don't burn a pot on the stovetop. And a microwave is good for
rewarming a hot beverage but it's the most inaccurate method to boil a
mug of water and is highly unsafe... eventually one will meet up with
a mug of water that nucleates and sends one to the burn unit. A
thermostatically controlled electric tea kettle produces the desired
amount of water brought precisely to the boil in a short amount of
time, and safely.