On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:23:02 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 7/22/2013 10:51 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> My assumption is that the fake baby carrots are a waste product from
>>> the vegetable canners i.e., broken bits that are processed to look
>>> attractive. This does not mean that they grind up the carrots and
>>> glue them together. They just smooth out the broken edges using an
>>> abrasive process to make the pieces marketable.
>>
>> Nope. The reverse is true.
>>
>> http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/babycarrot.html
>>
>> They are specially grown carrots that are cut to size. The bits from those
>> are then used for other things.
>>
>
>I'm partially right. They were originally carrots that used to be thrown
>away that were processed to be sell-able. In fact, I'm totally right
>because nobody would buy a freaky long skinny carrot.

Actually you are *totally wrong*, a long narrow diameter carrot was
egineered specifically for manufacturing what are marketed as baby
carrots.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
>I will not buy the larger ones. They can be tough.

"tough" is not a word. Actually the larger carrot variatals are more
tender and far sweeter.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 13:51:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 22, 2013 5:56:06 AM UTC-10, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>>> On 7/22/2013 12:16 AM, The Other Guy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 20:42:03 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://worldtruth.tv/why-baby-carrots-are-killing-you/
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't get these in Australia, or not where I am anyway. Baby
>>>>
>>>>>>> carrots actually come in bunches with the foliage still attached.
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> We also get a sort of stumpy mini variety that comes with tops,
>>>>>>> tails
>>>>
>>>>>>> and skin still on.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I have grown those but you won't see them here unless perhaps you
>>>>>> go to a
>>>>
>>>>>> Farmer's Market.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Original post IS, simply, bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/carrots.asp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad someone beat me to it. How anyone could fall for a claim
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>> whole baby carrots are an amalgamation of bits and pieces is beyond
>>>>
>>>> me. Just biting one will tell you it's a whole carrot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Food faddists make up the most absolute bosh about food in order to
>>>>
>>>> scare people into falling for their ridiculous claims about what
>>>>
>>>> constitutes healthy vs unhealthy eating practices.
>>>
>>> My assumption is that the fake baby carrots are a waste product from
>>> the vegetable canners i.e., broken bits that are processed to look
>>> attractive. This does not mean that they grind up the carrots and
>>> glue them together. They just smooth out the broken edges using an
>>> abrasive process to make the pieces marketable.
>>
>>Nope. The reverse is true.
>>
>>http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/babycarrot.html
>>
>>They are specially grown carrots that are cut to size. The bits from
>>those
>>are then used for other things.
>
> Exactly what I said earlier. Some specialty farms actually do produce
> true baby carrots for the gourmet market, they harvest immature
> carrots, same as kids pluck and eat dirt n' all from pappys garden. I
> still very often pluck immature veggies in my garden and eat them on
> the spot; green beans, suger snap peas, and my favorite, tiny cukes. I
> haven't grown carrots in years, they are a difficult crop for the home
> garden, unless one uses insecticides they get wormy

Yep. I have tried growing carrots. When I lived with my parents, we always
had a garden. But the soil here in WA is very rocky and those rocks push
themselves up over the course of time. One of our chores at the start of
the growing season was to sift the soil. My dad would pay the neighborhood
kids to help do this. He and another neighbor made a sifter with some
hardware cloth on a frame. Actually I think there was more than one of
them. We'd put them over a wheelbarrow then dump in loads of dirt after
first digging down about 2 feet to get all of that dirt out. The stuff that
went through the hardware cloth went back into the garden but we always had
to mix in some topsoil because after all the rocks were sifted out, there
wasn't a lot left. Over the years he had a huge pile of rocks in one corner
of his yard!

In order to get good carrots, you really do need good soil free of rocks.
You can grow radishes in soil with a few rocks because they don't grow as
deeply. Sure you might get some deformed ones. But carrots? They just
won't grow properly at all if there are rocks. And I only tried growing the
little stubby ones because we do have such a short growing season. I
eventually gave up. They are not so easy to grow and sometimes when I did
get them, they weren't very tasty.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:23:02 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>>On 7/22/2013 10:51 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>> My assumption is that the fake baby carrots are a waste product from
>>>> the vegetable canners i.e., broken bits that are processed to look
>>>> attractive. This does not mean that they grind up the carrots and
>>>> glue them together. They just smooth out the broken edges using an
>>>> abrasive process to make the pieces marketable.
>>>
>>> Nope. The reverse is true.
>>>
>>> http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/babycarrot.html
>>>
>>> They are specially grown carrots that are cut to size. The bits from
>>> those
>>> are then used for other things.
>>>
>>
>>I'm partially right. They were originally carrots that used to be thrown
>>away that were processed to be sell-able. In fact, I'm totally right
>>because nobody would buy a freaky long skinny carrot.
>
> Actually you are *totally wrong*, a long narrow diameter carrot was
> egineered specifically for manufacturing what are marketed as baby
> carrots.

Yes.

On 7/22/2013 2:47 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Actually you are *totally wrong*, a long narrow diameter carrot was
> egineered specifically for manufacturing what are marketed as baby
> carrots.
>

I already know this. My point is that you cannot sell skinny carrots
like that. You have to cut them into pieces and smooth out the cut edges.

Obviously, if the carrots are not nice uniform pieces, the starting
material and process is different. Your birds are giving you bum advice.
Kill them all.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 13:59:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 17:00:59 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Buy organic food, unadulterated food, people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What could we possibly have against these cute little "healthy"
>>> snacks that can be found in school lunchboxes across America? It's
>>> back to school time and baby carrots are one snack to keep out of
>>> your child's lunch.
>>>
>>> It may shock you that baby carrots do not come out of the ground
>>> that way. There is no little baby carrot garden where these are
>>> harvested. Manufactured baby carrots are a result of taking all the
>>> broken and "ugly" big carrots they can't put in the package,
>>> grinding them all up, processing them into the "baby" carrots and
>>> giving them a bath in chlorine to give them a bright happy orange
>>> color. There are also "Cut & Peel" baby carrots that are wihddled
>>> into a miniature form.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://worldtruth.tv/why-baby-carrots-are-killing-you/
>>
>> What is wrong with large (therefore ugly?) carrots or broken ones?
>> Janet US
>
>We always referred to the very large carrots as "juicing" carrots and I now
>see that many stores refer to them as that. My mom also said they were good
>for feeding to horses. They can be very tough to cut through and can be
>woody.
>
>One of my first jobs when shopping was to pick the good carrots. In those
>days, the carrots were often sold loose. So you had to pick your own. I'd
>be severely chastised if I picked the wrong carrot! We ate a lot of carrots
>at our house. Most of them raw.
>
Dildo carottinosis.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
news
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>I will not buy the larger ones. They can be tough.
>
> "tough" is not a word. Actually the larger carrot variatals are more
> tender and far sweeter.

It is a word.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tough?s=t

And perhaps what you grow at home or can get at the farmer's market could
be tender. But... The big carrots you buy in my grocery store can be
tough!

On 7/22/2013 4:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> I don't know how the roofers are
> in your neck of the woods but here they want cash. And we know that the
> roof will be in excess of $10,000 because I have already gotten quotes. The
> roof is not leaking or anything like that.

That's an insane price unless you have a fancy slope or lots of eaves.
Mine was recently just over $3k. I hope you got lots of quotes.

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On 22/07/2013 10:51 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/22/2013 4:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I don't know how the roofers are
>> in your neck of the woods but here they want cash. And we know that the
>> roof will be in excess of $10,000 because I have already gotten
>> quotes. The
>> roof is not leaking or anything like that.
>
> That's an insane price unless you have a fancy slope or lots of eaves.
> Mine was recently just over $3k. I hope you got lots of quotes.
>
The roof I had done two years ago was $5000.

The same roof done a few months ago was over $12000. I wish the tree had
fallen on the roof before I did the roof the first time.

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 19:45:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>news
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>I will not buy the larger ones. They can be tough.
>>
>> "tough" is not a word. Actually the larger carrot variatals are more
>> tender and far sweeter.
>
>It is a word.
>
>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tough?s=t
>
>And perhaps what you grow at home or can get at the farmer's market could
>be tender. But... The big carrots you buy in my grocery store can be
>tough!
>
change grocery stores. I specifically look for the really large ones.
They are more flavorful, sweeter and juicy and are excellent for
cooking .
Janet US

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 19:45:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I will not buy the larger ones. They can be tough.
>>>
>>> "tough" is not a word. Actually the larger carrot variatals are more
>>> tender and far sweeter.
>>
>>It is a word.
>>
>>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tough?s=t
>>
>>And perhaps what you grow at home or can get at the farmer's market could
>>be tender. But... The big carrots you buy in my grocery store can be
>>tough!
>>
> change grocery stores. I specifically look for the really large ones.
> They are more flavorful, sweeter and juicy and are excellent for
> cooking .
> Janet US

They're fine for cooking. But I find them tough for eating raw and that
applies to every store I have ever shopped at. I do not like the large ones
at all. I bought skinny ones to use with the roast last night. Excellent!

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 7/22/2013 4:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I don't know how the roofers are
>> in your neck of the woods but here they want cash. And we know that the
>> roof will be in excess of $10,000 because I have already gotten quotes.
>> The
>> roof is not leaking or anything like that.
>
> That's an insane price unless you have a fancy slope or lots of eaves.
> Mine was recently just over $3k. I hope you got lots of quotes.

Certainly not insane for this area. We have a Ranch style that has been
remodeled. So a much larger roof than a two story house. 1700 sq ft plus
an additional 400 sq ft back house. Plus because the roof wasn't applied
correctly, some of the three tab shingles blew off. We don't know how long
some of them were off for. The gardener is the one who noticed. So there
is damage to the wood underneath. We do know that. I got two quotes. But
I am going with neither. Neighbor just got 4 quotes and I am going with the
guy who did theirs. They are very pleased with the job and they said he had
the best price. I also have to get the treated stuff that will not grow
moss for 10 years because moss is a major problem here.

My friend just got a roof on her house and it is a little smaller than mine.
Hers is a remodel too and she was told that due to the various different
little roof pieces (I'm sure there is a different term here but I don't know
it), it was going to cost her a lot more. I'm sure that would apply to this
house too. They are similar in many ways. I believe she said that hers was
around $10,000 plus the cost of replacing the wood. In her case, the damage
was extensive. She did in fact have a leak. The problem? There was an
entire small piece of wood missing over her grandson's bedroom. She doesn't
know if the house was like this when she bought it and the previous roofers
didn't fix it or if it was there error. She did in fact have a new roof put
on somewhere around 10 years ago. She made the mistake of just hiring
someone and not checking them out. She had many, many issues with the job
they did. And of course they disappeared off the face of the earth.
Anyway... Because of the slope of the roof, instead of the water coming
right in, into B's room, it traveled downward, soaking the wood and
eventually caused a little drip in the kitchen and some massive flooding in
her room.

She has a guy living with her (adult, friend of her adult son) who works for
a roofing company but he doesn't actually do the roofing. He does other
things. He went up there and tried to find the leak but all looked good
from the top. It was only after they began pulling the shingles off that
they saw where he problem was.

For all I know, there could have been damage when we bought this house. I
do know that there was damage to the soffit in the exact place where there
is damage now. My husband and his friend repaired that, apparently not
thinking to find out why it was damaged. And I in fact found a few shingles
that blew off. Husband said they didn't matter. I appealed to his friend
who said that it did matter. They put some more shingles back on. Then
maybe 3 years ago is when we had the massive blow off. This was seen by a
neighbor who is a roofer but not licensed. He did that repair plus the last
one where a few more blew off. Turns out they stapled the roof on, which I
now know is common but they didn't do it correctly.

On Monday, July 22, 2013 2:45:48 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Roy" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Monday, July 22, 2013 4:11:26 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >> "Janet" > wrote in message
>
> >>
>
> >> t...
>
> >>
>
> >> > In article >,
>
> >>
>
> >> > says...
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >> It may shock you that baby carrots do not come out of the ground that
>
> >>
>
> >> >> way.
>
> >>
>
> >> > There is no little baby carrot garden where these are harvested.
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> > Rubbish. Plenty of home gardeners do exactly that; they pull the young
>
> >>
>
> >> > ones out to thin the row and eat them as baby carrots.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> He is referring to the ones commonly sold in this country as baby
>
> >> carrots.
>
> >>
>
> >> They are not really baby carrots. They are large carrots, grown for
>
> >>
>
> >> sweetness and cut down to resemble baby ones.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I wondered at one time what happened to Veggie Snacks. These were carrot
>
> >>
>
> >> sticks that were made from specially grown carrots, and sweeter than the
>
> >>
>
> >> average ones. I used to buy these back in the 1980's. Well now I know!
>
> >>
>
> >> Apparently people prefer the "baby" shape.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> We also buy carrot chips. Those are larger carrots (probably the sweeter
>
> >>
>
> >> ones) that have been diagonally, ripple sliced. They are great for dips.
>
> >
>
> > Lordie, those baby carrots are NOT cut down from larger carrots. There are
>
> > NO little elves with lathes working on them either. Where on Earth do
>
> > people
>
> > come up with these crazy things?
>
>
>
> They actually are cut down and several links were posted here to prove that.
>
> But I'll put up another one.
>
>
>
> http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/babycarrot.html

True baby carrots was what I was referring to...not manufactured carrots
pretending to be naturally occurring ones. Your link was interesting
though.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 22/07/2013 10:51 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 7/22/2013 4:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know how the roofers are
>>> in your neck of the woods but here they want cash. And we know that the
>>> roof will be in excess of $10,000 because I have already gotten
>>> quotes. The
>>> roof is not leaking or anything like that.
>>
>> That's an insane price unless you have a fancy slope or lots of eaves.
>> Mine was recently just over $3k. I hope you got lots of quotes.
>>
> The roof I had done two years ago was $5000.
>
> The same roof done a few months ago was over $12000. I wish the tree had
> fallen on the roof before I did the roof the first time.


4 or so years ago my roof cost $8000.00 and it's not a big house, no fancy
slope or anything.

Cheri

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 22/07/2013 10:51 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 7/22/2013 4:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know how the roofers are
>>> in your neck of the woods but here they want cash. And we know that the
>>> roof will be in excess of $10,000 because I have already gotten
>>> quotes. The
>>> roof is not leaking or anything like that.
>>
>> That's an insane price unless you have a fancy slope or lots of eaves.
>> Mine was recently just over $3k. I hope you got lots of quotes.
>>
> The roof I had done two years ago was $5000.
>
> The same roof done a few months ago was over $12000. I wish the tree had
> fallen on the roof before I did the roof the first time.

They seem to only sell the fancy roofing here now. Got a card in the
mailbox about some rubber stuff that purportedly will last a lifetime. I
just don't know enough about it to want to get that kind though. And it
says nothing of how it is for moss.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 22/07/2013 10:51 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 7/22/2013 4:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know how the roofers are
>>>> in your neck of the woods but here they want cash. And we know that
>>>> the
>>>> roof will be in excess of $10,000 because I have already gotten
>>>> quotes. The
>>>> roof is not leaking or anything like that.
>>>
>>> That's an insane price unless you have a fancy slope or lots of eaves.
>>> Mine was recently just over $3k. I hope you got lots of quotes.
>>>
>> The roof I had done two years ago was $5000.
>>
>> The same roof done a few months ago was over $12000. I wish the tree had
>> fallen on the roof before I did the roof the first time.
>
>
> 4 or so years ago my roof cost $8000.00 and it's not a big house, no fancy
> slope or anything.

Also depends on the type of roofing material you get. My parent's house has
the rolled roofing. That's the cheapest kind. We have three tab shingles.
That's the next most expensive. From there, there is metal, wood and those
clay looking shingles. Those are all more expensive still.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 19:45:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I will not buy the larger ones. They can be tough.
>>>
>>> "tough" is not a word. Actually the larger carrot variatals are more
>>> tender and far sweeter.
>>
>>It is a word.
>>
>>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tough?s=t
>>
>>And perhaps what you grow at home or can get at the farmer's market could
>>be tender. But... The big carrots you buy in my grocery store can be
>>tough!
>>
> change grocery stores. I specifically look for the really large ones.
> They are more flavorful, sweeter and juicy and are excellent for
> cooking .

Pretty much the same here.
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 19:45:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I will not buy the larger ones. They can be tough.
>>>>
>>>> "tough" is not a word. Actually the larger carrot variatals are more
>>>> tender and far sweeter.
>>>
>>>It is a word.
>>>
>>>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tough?s=t
>>>
>>>And perhaps what you grow at home or can get at the farmer's market
>>>could
>>>be tender. But... The big carrots you buy in my grocery store can be
>>>tough!
>>>
>> change grocery stores. I specifically look for the really large ones.
>> They are more flavorful, sweeter and juicy and are excellent for
>> cooking .
>> Janet US
>
> They're fine for cooking. But I find them tough for eating raw and that
> applies to every store I have ever shopped at. I do not like the large
> ones at all. I bought skinny ones to use with the roast last night.
> Excellent!

The only raw carrot we eat is grated in slaw. All the rest I cook.

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On Monday, July 22, 2013 11:56:06 AM UTC-4, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
> Food faddists make up the most absolute bosh about food in order to
> scare people into falling for their ridiculous claims about what
> constitutes healthy vs unhealthy eating practices.

For me, if it fits in my mouth and tastes good
then it's healthy.

http://www.richardfisher.com

dsi1 wrote:
>
> Obviously, if the carrots are not nice uniform pieces, the starting
> material and process is different. Your birds are giving you bum advice.
> Kill them all.

LMAO! Your sense of humor is just *wrong* dsil. That said, I love it. you a
funny man@

G.

On 7/23/2013 10:44 AM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> Obviously, if the carrots are not nice uniform pieces, the starting
>> material and process is different. Your birds are giving you bum advice.
>> Kill them all.
>
> LMAO! Your sense of humor is just *wrong* dsil. That said, I love it. you a
> funny man@
>
> G.
>

As a wise man once said, "You can never go too far."

On 7/23/2013 2:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

> Also depends on the type of roofing material you get. My parent's house has
> the rolled roofing. That's the cheapest kind. We have three tab shingles.
> That's the next most expensive. From there, there is metal, wood and those
> clay looking shingles. Those are all more expensive still.

I'm also seeing it depends on where in the country you are. Mine was
done with 30 year shingles. Just a plain sloped A-line roof. They
don't place the new one over the old, so they even replaced a small
amount of plywood.

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So, how do they get em to stick together? Sounds like a dumb claim to me.

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:12:13 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> wrote:

>So, how do they get em to stick together? Sounds like a dumb claim to me.

Carrilla Glue.

On Monday, July 22, 2013 3:50:38 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
> I am not saying that I think margarine is better for you than butter or vice versa.

Another example of your stupidity. Unfortunately, you reproduced; the
equivalent of taking a shit in the gene pool.

--Bryan

On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:55:33 AM UTC-5, Helpful person wrote:
> On Monday, July 22, 2013 11:56:06 AM UTC-4, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Food faddists make up the most absolute bosh about food in order to
>
> > scare people into falling for their ridiculous claims about what
>
> > constitutes healthy vs unhealthy eating practices.
>
>
>
> For me, if it fits in my mouth and tastes good
>
> then it's healthy.
>
Please consider drinking antifreeze. I've heard it tastes sweet.

--Bryan

On 7/25/2013 10:01 PM, Vegan Earthworm Holocaust wrote:
> On Monday, July 22, 2013 3:50:38 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am not saying that I think margarine is better for you than butter or vice versa.
>
> Another example of your stupidity. Unfortunately, you reproduced; the
> equivalent of taking a shit in the gene pool.
>
> --Bryan
>
>
Who sphinctered you into this realm of uncleanliness?

On 7/25/2013 10:03 PM, Vegan Earthworm Holocaust wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:55:33 AM UTC-5, Helpful person wrote:
>> On Monday, July 22, 2013 11:56:06 AM UTC-4, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Food faddists make up the most absolute bosh about food in order to
>>
>>> scare people into falling for their ridiculous claims about what
>>
>>> constitutes healthy vs unhealthy eating practices.
>>
>>
>>
>> For me, if it fits in my mouth and tastes good
>>
>> then it's healthy.
>>
> Please consider drinking antifreeze. I've heard it tastes sweet.
>
> --Bryan
>

You're an ill-mannered and unkind person.