On 6/20/2013 6:27 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> Where in the South do you live? Never mind.
>
> I don't care about, nor do I condone or even think about anything Paula
> Deen represents. Believe what you want. She's not typical. Sure, I've
> met a few rednecks. I've met a few racists, too. But for the most part
> everyone has given up the idea that the South is gonna rise again. It's
> the media that keeps this crap alive.
>
> Jill

I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.

You're right that the South will not rise again but all ya'alls consider
the country to be divided into two parts - even after nearly 150 years.
It's a heritage that we just can't seem to shake.

On 2013-06-21, dsi1 > wrote:

> It's a heritage that we just can't seem to shake.

I spent a couple yrs in TN, back in the 60s. Almost got jumped by
hippie hating rednecks a few times, which was pretty funny cuz I was in
the military and the closest thing I could sport anywhere near to
hippie getup was a moustache. But, it got me in trouble more that
once.

I actually miss a couple things about the South, but that "gonna rise
again" nonsense is not one of them. I figure Southerners cling to
their past glory so desparately primarily cuz thay got nothing else to
be pround of. Really, they do, but they listen too much to other
ppl's perception of them and gives them a poor self image. Granted,
some of it is warranted and their own doing, but it makes for a sad
and unnecessary take on life.

nb

On 6/21/2013 1:00 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-06-21, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> It's a heritage that we just can't seem to shake.
>
> I spent a couple yrs in TN, back in the 60s. Almost got jumped by
> hippie hating rednecks a few times, which was pretty funny cuz I was in
> the military and the closest thing I could sport anywhere near to
> hippie getup was a moustache. But, it got me in trouble more that
> once.
>
> I actually miss a couple things about the South, but that "gonna rise
> again" nonsense is not one of them. I figure Southerners cling to
> their past glory so desparately primarily cuz thay got nothing else to
> be pround of. Really, they do, but they listen too much to other
> ppl's perception of them and gives them a poor self image. Granted,
> some of it is warranted and their own doing, but it makes for a sad
> and unnecessary take on life.
>
> nb
>

I found out how it was gonna go down on my first trip to the mainland.
"Oh, that's how it is over here." When I was in Florida, it was "why the
heck is everybody looking at me funny..."

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/21/2013 1:00 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2013-06-21, dsi1 > wrote:
>>
>>> It's a heritage that we just can't seem to shake.
>>
>> I spent a couple yrs in TN, back in the 60s. Almost got jumped by
>> hippie hating rednecks a few times, which was pretty funny cuz I was in
>> the military and the closest thing I could sport anywhere near to
>> hippie getup was a moustache. But, it got me in trouble more that
>> once.
>>
>> I actually miss a couple things about the South, but that "gonna rise
>> again" nonsense is not one of them. I figure Southerners cling to
>> their past glory so desparately primarily cuz thay got nothing else to
>> be pround of. Really, they do, but they listen too much to other
>> ppl's perception of them and gives them a poor self image. Granted,
>> some of it is warranted and their own doing, but it makes for a sad
>> and unnecessary take on life.
>>
>> nb
>>
>
> I found out how it was gonna go down on my first trip to the mainland.
> "Oh, that's how it is over here." When I was in Florida, it was "why the
> heck is everybody looking at me funny..."

Why was everybody looking at you funny? What were you doing?

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On 6/21/2013 10:32 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> I found out how it was gonna go down on my first trip to the mainland.
>> "Oh, that's how it is over here." When I was in Florida, it was "why
>> the heck is everybody looking at me funny..."
>
> Why was everybody looking at you funny? What were you doing?
>

I don't know. You'd think they'd never seen an Asian type person. I had
never had that happen before. Bad vibes man!

That reminds me of the time that my brother-in-laws pick up Bob Dylan
who was hitchhiking. He told them his name was Robert Zimmerman. They
didn't know Bob Dylan from Joe Blow since they were living abroad for
years. The brothers developed trouble with their truck and went to a
repair shop. Everybody stopped and stared when they walked in. My
brothers asked Bob what the deal was and he said "I donno, maybe they
seen a ghost." They got their head gasket replaced for almost no money.
I recommend that you always take Bob Dylan with you when you need your
car repaired. Who knows, you might get a discount.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/21/2013 10:32 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> I found out how it was gonna go down on my first trip to the mainland.
>>> "Oh, that's how it is over here." When I was in Florida, it was "why
>>> the heck is everybody looking at me funny..."
>>
>> Why was everybody looking at you funny? What were you doing?
>>
>
> I don't know. You'd think they'd never seen an Asian type person. I had
> never had that happen before. Bad vibes man!

Yeah but ... pssst I am a laydee ... I didn't know you were Asian, I
thought you were Hawaiian. Ok I probably said something daft but hey ... I
am a Brit !


> That reminds me of the time that my brother-in-laws pick up Bob Dylan who
> was hitchhiking. He told them his name was Robert Zimmerman. They didn't
> know Bob Dylan from Joe Blow since they were living abroad for years. The
> brothers developed trouble with their truck and went to a repair shop.
> Everybody stopped and stared when they walked in. My brothers asked Bob
> what the deal was and he said "I donno, maybe they seen a ghost." They got
> their head gasket replaced for almost no money. I recommend that you
> always take Bob Dylan with you when you need your car repaired. Who knows,
> you might get a discount.

lol can I borrow him when my car needs fixed???

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On 2013-06-21, dsi1 > wrote:

> car repaired. Who knows, you might get a discount.

....or a warbly song sung about you.

nb

On 6/21/2013 4:50 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/21/2013 10:32 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>> I found out how it was gonna go down on my first trip to the mainland.
>>> "Oh, that's how it is over here." When I was in Florida, it was "why
>>> the heck is everybody looking at me funny..."
>>
>> Why was everybody looking at you funny? What were you doing?
>>
>
> I don't know. You'd think they'd never seen an Asian type person. I had
> never had that happen before. Bad vibes man!
>
Try being a nine year old little blonde girl in Bangkok. (That is *not*
intended to sound dirty!) It's considered rude in Thailand to touch a
person on their head. But everyone wanted to touch my hair. It was
white-blonde and wasn't something they saw very often.

> That reminds me of the time that my brother-in-laws pick up Bob Dylan
> who was hitchhiking. He told them his name was Robert Zimmerman.

It *is* his name. LOL

> They
> didn't know Bob Dylan from Joe Blow since they were living abroad for
> years. The brothers developed trouble with their truck and went to a
> repair shop. Everybody stopped and stared when they walked in. My
> brothers asked Bob what the deal was and he said "I donno, maybe they
> seen a ghost." They got their head gasket replaced for almost no money.
> I recommend that you always take Bob Dylan with you when you need your
> car repaired. Who knows, you might get a discount.

That's funny! I can imagine Dylan saying something like that. Just so
everyone is clear, Bob Dylan (Robert Zimmerman) isn't dead, unless being
72 years old qualifies. Now I've got an earworm. Knock knock
knockin' on heavens door...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_swaxOidGU

Thanks a lot!

Jill

On 2013-06-21, Ophelia > wrote:

> Why was everybody looking at you funny? What were you doing?

Not being "Southern".

It's a weird social paradigm. If you fit, a good 'ol boy will die for
you. If not, jes might kill you. I found this to be the total
opposite of the almost universally tolerant Left Coast, where no one
gave a damn whether you were grn, wht, alien, etc. Why, Cuz they
didn't really care about you, AT ALL! Lose touch with a really tight
longtime friend in CA, in six mos it's like you never existed. Yet
every single person I met and became friends with in TN, even for as
little as 6 mos, came all the way out to CA and visited me within two
yrs. I realize a lot of this was, "I know someone in CA. Let's go
see it". Still, the CA mindset is, don't see 'em fer 6 mos .....who?.


nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-06-21, Ophelia > wrote:
>
>> Why was everybody looking at you funny? What were you doing?
>
> Not being "Southern".
>
> It's a weird social paradigm. If you fit, a good 'ol boy will die for
> you. If not, jes might kill you. I found this to be the total
> opposite of the almost universally tolerant Left Coast, where no one
> gave a damn whether you were grn, wht, alien, etc. Why, Cuz they
> didn't really care about you, AT ALL! Lose touch with a really tight
> longtime friend in CA, in six mos it's like you never existed. Yet
> every single person I met and became friends with in TN, even for as
> little as 6 mos, came all the way out to CA and visited me within two
> yrs. I realize a lot of this was, "I know someone in CA. Let's go
> see it". Still, the CA mindset is, don't see 'em fer 6 mos .....who?.
>

So, how does one look southern?


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On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:24:53 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:



>>
>
>I found out how it was gonna go down on my first trip to the mainland.
>"Oh, that's how it is over here." When I was in Florida, it was "why the
>heck is everybody looking at me funny..."

My daughter married a Filipino and their daughter is Asian looking.
Driving in the south she was often stared at, but not because the kid
is cute. (she is) A couple of times she was uncomfortable.

On 6/21/2013 3:34 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:24:53 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>
>> I found out how it was gonna go down on my first trip to the mainland.
>> "Oh, that's how it is over here." When I was in Florida, it was "why the
>> heck is everybody looking at me funny..."
>
> My daughter married a Filipino and their daughter is Asian looking.
> Driving in the south she was often stared at, but not because the kid
> is cute. (she is) A couple of times she was uncomfortable.
>

There's a lot of Filipinos here so it's a different experience for them
than on the mainland. The further South they go, the more likely they'll
be mistaken for being Mexican. My Filipino co-worker, who was raised in
Hawaii, had some trouble getting back into the states when he went
across the border. That really bugged him because nobody questioned his
identity in Hawaii and he used to have a top secret clearance when he
was in the Air Force. Welcome to the USA.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 06:54:10 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>
> There's a lot of Filipinos here so it's a different experience for them
> than on the mainland. The further South they go, the more likely they'll
> be mistaken for being Mexican. My Filipino co-worker, who was raised in
> Hawaii, had some trouble getting back into the states when he went
> across the border. That really bugged him because nobody questioned his
> identity in Hawaii and he used to have a top secret clearance when he
> was in the Air Force. Welcome to the USA.

Make that "Welcome to the Mainland"... and let's face it, Southern
Californians are every bit as racist as the rest of the South,
probably because so many of them migrated there from the deep South.

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On 6/21/2013 5:21 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.
>
> You're right that the South will not rise again but all ya'alls consider
> the country to be divided into two parts - even after nearly 150 years.
> It's a heritage that we just can't seem to shake.


Yep... that is deeply ingrained. Here in TX and in Louisiana (and I
assume other Southern states), the Civil War is still referred to as
"The War of Northern Aggression."

I learned real quickly after I moved here that you don't crack jokes
about the Civil War because someone is going to take grave offense if
you do.

In Shreveport, LA... up until 2 years ago the Stars and Bars still flew
outside the courthouse and it took a lawsuit to get that stopped. It is
not that uncommon to see the Confederate flag flying outside some homes
and businesses.

Also in a Shreveport cemetery, there is a grave that has a flagpole with
the Stars and Bars flying. The flag has to be replaced often...
Shreveport is 50% African American.

George L

On 6/21/2013 2:54 AM, George Leppla wrote:
> On 6/21/2013 5:21 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.
>>
>> You're right that the South will not rise again but all ya'alls consider
>> the country to be divided into two parts - even after nearly 150 years.
>> It's a heritage that we just can't seem to shake.
>
>
> Yep... that is deeply ingrained. Here in TX and in Louisiana (and I
> assume other Southern states), the Civil War is still referred to as
> "The War of Northern Aggression."

That's pretty inflammatory. I prefer the milder "War for State's Rights."

>
> I learned real quickly after I moved here that you don't crack jokes
> about the Civil War because someone is going to take grave offense if
> you do.
>
> In Shreveport, LA... up until 2 years ago the Stars and Bars still flew
> outside the courthouse and it took a lawsuit to get that stopped. It is
> not that uncommon to see the Confederate flag flying outside some homes
> and businesses.
>
> Also in a Shreveport cemetery, there is a grave that has a flagpole with
> the Stars and Bars flying. The flag has to be replaced often...
> Shreveport is 50% African American.

Sooner or later, we'll all get together. Interracial marriages will
break the walls down eventually. We need to get together to fight the
real enemy - people that want to control poor folks. They just love to
pit people against each other.

>
> George L

On 6/21/2013 8:54 AM, George Leppla wrote:
> On 6/21/2013 5:21 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.
>>
>> You're right that the South will not rise again but all ya'alls consider
>> the country to be divided into two parts - even after nearly 150 years.
>> It's a heritage that we just can't seem to shake.
>
>
> Yep... that is deeply ingrained. Here in TX and in Louisiana (and I
> assume other Southern states), the Civil War is still referred to as
> "The War of Northern Aggression."
>
> I learned real quickly after I moved here that you don't crack jokes
> about the Civil War because someone is going to take grave offense if
> you do.
>
> In Shreveport, LA... up until 2 years ago the Stars and Bars still flew
> outside the courthouse and it took a lawsuit to get that stopped. It is
> not that uncommon to see the Confederate flag flying outside some homes
> and businesses.
>
> Also in a Shreveport cemetery, there is a grave that has a flagpole with
> the Stars and Bars flying. The flag has to be replaced often...
> Shreveport is 50% African American.
>
> George L

I must be in a weird spot on the map. There doesn't seem to be any form
of resentment, name calling nor I would term "attitude" in this area.
(Saint Helena) That might sound odd considering since the American
Civil War started in SC. But then then again, the first African
American school after that war was built on Saint Helena Island, just a
few miles from my house. Built by hand by former slaves and an historic
landmark.

There's a major thoroughfare in Beaufort called Robert Smalls Parkway.
John asked me who was Robert Smalls? Good question! I didn't know the
answer. So I looked it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Smalls

Born a slave, elected to the House of Representatives as the first black
Senator after the Civil War. He later owned the mansion where he was
born out back in the slave quarters. He graciously allowed his former
"missus" to live there. The mansion is now a B&B

Where I live now, the general area, most people are exceedingly friendly
and polite. I never hear the N-word. I rarely encounter any rudeness.
When I lived in Memphis, blacks called each other N- all the time. I
never understood that. I don't hear that sort of thing anymore.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/21/2013 8:54 AM, George Leppla wrote:
>> On 6/21/2013 5:21 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.
>>>
>>> You're right that the South will not rise again but all ya'alls consider
>>> the country to be divided into two parts - even after nearly 150 years.
>>> It's a heritage that we just can't seem to shake.
>>
>>
>> Yep... that is deeply ingrained. Here in TX and in Louisiana (and I
>> assume other Southern states), the Civil War is still referred to as
>> "The War of Northern Aggression."
>>
>> I learned real quickly after I moved here that you don't crack jokes
>> about the Civil War because someone is going to take grave offense if
>> you do.
>>
>> In Shreveport, LA... up until 2 years ago the Stars and Bars still flew
>> outside the courthouse and it took a lawsuit to get that stopped. It is
>> not that uncommon to see the Confederate flag flying outside some homes
>> and businesses.
>>
>> Also in a Shreveport cemetery, there is a grave that has a flagpole with
>> the Stars and Bars flying. The flag has to be replaced often...
>> Shreveport is 50% African American.
>>
>> George L
>
> I must be in a weird spot on the map. There doesn't seem to be any form
> of resentment, name calling nor I would term "attitude" in this area.
> (Saint Helena) That might sound odd considering since the American Civil
> War started in SC. But then then again, the first African American school
> after that war was built on Saint Helena Island, just a few miles from my
> house. Built by hand by former slaves and an historic landmark.
>
> There's a major thoroughfare in Beaufort called Robert Smalls Parkway.
> John asked me who was Robert Smalls? Good question! I didn't know the
> answer. So I looked it up.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Smalls
>
> Born a slave, elected to the House of Representatives as the first black
> Senator after the Civil War. He later owned the mansion where he was born
> out back in the slave quarters. He graciously allowed his former "missus"
> to live there. The mansion is now a B&B
>
> Where I live now, the general area, most people are exceedingly friendly
> and polite. I never hear the N-word. I rarely encounter any rudeness.
> When I lived in Memphis, blacks called each other N- all the time. I
> never understood that. I don't hear that sort of thing anymore.

I can remember them doing it here, or some of them anyway in the 70's and
80's. It was okay for them to call each other that, but a white person had
better never do that!

dsi1 wrote:
>
> I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.

Yep! You win, dsil! :-D

G.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.
>
> Yep! You win, dsil! :-D

Yep! I have no realistic idea where anybody lives You all live in USA or
Canada and that it pretty much it for me) Yes if I was desperate to know
I would look it up but I don't have any particular reason to do so I
know most of ya'all by personality and that is jes fine ... ! <g>

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On 6/21/2013 1:17 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.
>>
>> Yep! You win, dsil! :-D
>
> Yep! I have no realistic idea where anybody lives You all live in
> USA or Canada and that it pretty much it for me) Yes if I was
> desperate to know I would look it up but I don't have any particular
> reason to do so I know most of ya'all by personality and that is jes
> fine ... ! <g>
>
There used to be a map of RFC'rs

http://www.recfoodcooking.org/RFCmap.html

Some people ooopsed and put themselves in the ocean. You'll get a
general idea. I can't recall the last time it was updated nor do I know
if it can still be updated.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/21/2013 1:17 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.
>>>
>>> Yep! You win, dsil! :-D
>>
>> Yep! I have no realistic idea where anybody lives You all live in
>> USA or Canada and that it pretty much it for me) Yes if I was
>> desperate to know I would look it up but I don't have any particular
>> reason to do so I know most of ya'all by personality and that is jes
>> fine ... ! <g>
>>
> There used to be a map of RFC'rs
>
> http://www.recfoodcooking.org/RFCmap.html
>
> Some people ooopsed and put themselves in the ocean. You'll get a general
> idea. I can't recall the last time it was updated nor do I know if it can
> still be updated.

Yes, I have seen it (and indeed I am on it) but it doesn't mean a lot to
me. For example I know Mr D is in Hawaii, but I don't have a clue where it
is. Of course if I needed to know I would look it up, but I have never
needed to. It's one huge country you've got there.

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On 6/21/2013 8:25 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> There used to be a map of RFC'rs
>
> http://www.recfoodcooking.org/RFCmap.html
>
> Some people ooopsed and put themselves in the ocean. You'll get a
> general idea. I can't recall the last time it was updated nor do I know
> if it can still be updated.


I'm actually still on that one.

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:26:52 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 6/21/2013 8:25 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > There used to be a map of RFC'rs
> >
> > http://www.recfoodcooking.org/RFCmap.html
> >
> > Some people ooopsed and put themselves in the ocean. You'll get a
> > general idea. I can't recall the last time it was updated nor do I know
> > if it can still be updated.
>
>
> I'm actually still on that one.

What's your name on that map?

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On 6/21/2013 6:55 AM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.
>
> Yep! You win, dsil! :-D
>
> G.
>

That's right. I can see the equator from my backyard.

On 6/21/2013 2:38 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/21/2013 6:55 AM, Gary wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.
>>
>> Yep! You win, dsil! :-D
>>
>> G.
>>
>
> That's right. I can see the equator from my backyard.

Is it still round?

On 6/21/2013 10:40 AM, casa bona wrote:
> On 6/21/2013 2:38 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 6/21/2013 6:55 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.
>>>
>>> Yep! You win, dsil! :-D
>>>
>>> G.
>>>
>>
>> That's right. I can see the equator from my backyard.
>
> Is it still round?

It's just a straight black line on the horizon. Rumor has it that it's
made out of licorice. One of these days, I'm gonna take a boat out there
and find out it it's really true.

On 6/21/2013 2:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/21/2013 10:40 AM, casa bona wrote:
>> On 6/21/2013 2:38 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On 6/21/2013 6:55 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I be living in the deepest of the deep South ya'all.
>>>>
>>>> Yep! You win, dsil! :-D
>>>>
>>>> G.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's right. I can see the equator from my backyard.
>>
>> Is it still round?
>
> It's just a straight black line on the horizon. Rumor has it that it's
> made out of licorice. One of these days, I'm gonna take a boat out there
> and find out it it's really true.

Oh do break off some a bring it back, there must be plenty to share...

Better yet, go at sunset and get me some red licorice!