"Beer drinkers in the US have filed a $5m (£3.3m) lawsuit accusing
Anheuser-Busch of watering down its beer"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21600953

--
Bob
www.kanyak.com

My brewing mentor had a label over the cold water dispenser in his
refrigerator door. It read, "Budweiser Light".

nb

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:50:02 +0200, Opinicus
> wrote:

>
>"Beer drinkers in the US have filed a $5m (£3.3m) lawsuit accusing
>Anheuser-Busch of watering down its beer"
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21600953

Actually, a local STL news channels had an indepenbdent testing lab
run alcohol tests on Budweiser and Coors and found both to have 5%
alcohol content as claimed.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/365...cohol-content-

They are still light lager beers and have almost no flavor, AKA making
love in a canoe beer.

John Kuthe...

notbob wrote:

> My brewing mentor had a label over the cold water dispenser in his
> refrigerator door. It read, "Budweiser Light".

LOL, good one
--
"Un pasto senza vino e' come un giorno senza sole"
Anthelme Brillat Savarin

On 28/02/2013 6:56 AM, notbob wrote:
> My brewing mentor had a label over the cold water dispenser in his
> refrigerator door. It read, "Budweiser Light".

We spend a night in Golden Colorado, home of Coors. Our hotel was just a
few blocks from the brewery. We went for a drink at Happy Hour and the
deal was two drafts for the price of one. I asked the bartender if they
had anything other than Coors. He answered ""Oh yes We have some good
beers too."

On 2013-02-28, Dave Smith > wrote:

> deal was two drafts for the price of one. I asked the bartender if they
> had anything other than Coors. He answered ""Oh yes We have some good
> beers too."

LOL....

Coors CAN make good beer. Ever tried a Blue Moon? It's Coors
copying a Belgian wit bier and it's very good. They do know how, it's
jes not in their business model ....yet.

nb

On 2/28/2013 9:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 28/02/2013 6:56 AM, notbob wrote:
>> My brewing mentor had a label over the cold water dispenser in his
>> refrigerator door. It read, "Budweiser Light".
>
> We spend a night in Golden Colorado, home of Coors. Our hotel was just a
> few blocks from the brewery. We went for a drink at Happy Hour and the
> deal was two drafts for the price of one. I asked the bartender if they
> had anything other than Coors. He answered ""Oh yes We have some good
> beers too."
>
LOL! I remember when it was a huge thing not being able to get Coors
east of the Mississippi River. It all sounded so mysterious! Friends
of my older brother had moved to Texas. They'd come visit and "smuggle"
a couple of cases across the bridge. Too silly.

Coors expanded to this side of the river in the 1980's. They tested the
quality of the Memphis water. They bought an old brewery (it was
Schlitz at one time, later Stroh's) and cranked up the bottling line. I
knew a number of people who worked there. The employees all got a free
case of beer every week. (Used to be they could drink it at work,
during breaks. Company lawyers soon put a stop to that.)

Jill

On 28/02/2013 10:04 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> Coors expanded to this side of the river in the 1980's. They tested the
> quality of the Memphis water. They bought an old brewery (it was
> Schlitz at one time, later Stroh's) and cranked up the bottling line. I
> knew a number of people who worked there. The employees all got a free
> case of beer every week. (Used to be they could drink it at work,
> during breaks. Company lawyers soon put a stop to that.)
>


There is a reason for the free product. It discourages employees from
spitting and ****ing into the vats. Drinking on the job used to be quite
acceptable in a lot of places, though drunkeness was frowned upon. I
used to work for our highways department and when we were on the road we
stopped for liquid lunches. Some of our maintenance yards were notorious
for their Friday afternoon card games and beer.


Drinking on the the job Friday afternoon drinks started to becomean
liability issue years ago. We had a precedent setting court case in our
province about 10 years ago. A woman had some wine at a company party
and got into a serious accident on the way home. She sued and won a
couple million dollars award. IMO it was entirely unfair to the company
...... because.... apparently she only had a glass or two f wine at the
company party. They offered her a ride home, offered to send her by
taxi. She refused. She didn't go right home. Instead, she drove to bar,
and it was at the bar that she had a number of drinks and it was at the
bar that she got drunk. She sued the bar and the company and she won,
but the bar had gone out of business so her company was hit with the
entire award.

Not at all fair. She did not get drunk at their party. She got drunk
elsewhere. She did not have to drive home from the company party. They
offered her transportation.

On 2013-02-28, Dave Smith > wrote:

> bar that she got drunk. She sued the bar and the company and she won,

That's what killed the entire thing, dirtbags and dirtbag shysters.

Before that, everybody usta drink, even the upper mgt executives.
Hell, they usta buy! But, then shysters and litigious assholes
wrecked it for everyone. Worse, law enforcement discovered what a
goldmine drunk drivers are. Notice how not a single govt agcy takes
one step towards curtailing alcohol production, remembering what a
boondoggle prohibition was, but by god we can exploit the Hell
out of it and fill our municipal coffers to the brim!

A news item that I personally saw in the papers, but you'll never find
again, is the one where Candy Lightner, founder of MADD, was busted
for DUI ...AFTER! being ousted from MADD. LOL!....

nb

Opinicus wrote:

> "Beer drinkers in the US have filed a $5m (£3.3m) lawsuit accusing
> Anheuser-Busch of watering down its beer"

More accurately, a bloodsucking lawyer has manufactured a preposterous
"damages" claim based on innuendo and sour grapes.

On 28/02/2013 10:51 AM, notbob wrote:

> Before that, everybody usta drink, even the upper mgt executives.
> Hell, they usta buy! But, then shysters and litigious assholes
> wrecked it for everyone. Worse, law enforcement discovered what a
> goldmine drunk drivers are. Notice how not a single govt agcy takes
> one step towards curtailing alcohol production, remembering what a
> boondoggle prohibition was, but by god we can exploit the Hell
> out of it and fill our municipal coffers to the brim!

I wouldn't mind so much except that they use an arbitrary BAC limit to
determine whether or not someone is supposed to be impaired. The reason
I say it is arbitrary is that it varies from one jurisdiction to
another. If they are going to treat a person like a criminal for driving
after a couple drinks they should clamp down on every other form of
impairment, people with physical and mental disabilities, people with
colds, the flu or allergies, old people, people on medication. Funny
that when I broke my collar bone and was taking oxycontin I could pop a
couple of those babies and go for a drive, but I could not have a couple
drinks.
>
> A news item that I personally saw in the papers, but you'll never find
> again, is the one where Candy Lightner, founder of MADD, was busted
> for DUI ...AFTER! being ousted from MADD. LOL!....



There are two cars I often see flying down our road at high speed, well
over the posted 50 kph limit. Both of them sport those MADD ribbon
decals on the back. They would want to throw me in jail if if were
pulled over with a BAC over 0.08, but it's okay for them to speed.

I also upset about the sentencing that I see. Last yer there was a news
report about some guy going to jail for a few years after being
convicted for DUI for about the 20th time. There had not been any
crashed associated with any of those charges. Around the same time, a
young lady in the area was charged for DUI. She was way over the limit
and got into an accident in which her friend was killed. Boohoo.. she is
feeling a lot of remorse, so she gets 6 months of house arrest.

If the idea of criminalizing drunk driving is to reduce the chance of
accidents and to reduce the risk of personal injuries in death, then
IMO, any crash involving DUI and a death should automatically get a
more severe sentence than even the worst serial drunk driver.

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:14:11 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> There are two cars I often see flying down our road at high speed, well
>
> over the posted 50 kph limit. Both of them sport those MADD ribbon
>
> decals on the back. They would want to throw me in jail if if were
>
> pulled over with a BAC over 0.08, but it's okay for them to speed.
>
I support DAMM, Drunks Against Mad Mothers. You've got some innocent
drunk stumbling down the sidewalk, and some mother turns around to yell
at her brat in the back seat, and runs off the road and mows down the
drunk. DAMM.

--Bryan

On Feb 28, 8:38*am, notbob > wrote:
> On 2013-02-28, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > deal was two drafts for the price of one. I asked the bartender if they
> > had anything other than Coors. He answered ""Oh yes We have some good
> > beers too."
>
> LOL....
>
> Coors CAN make good beer. *Ever tried a Blue Moon? *It's Coors
> copying a Belgian wit bier and it's very good. *They do know how, it's
> jes not in their business model ....yet.
>
> nb


There is not a big market for genuine beer in the US. Ever since
Prohibition ended, we've been demanding that our beer be lighter,
lighter, lighter and lighter. They lightened it after Repeal, and they
lightened it still more during WW2. In the 50's they lightened it
again and offered it in smaller containers to attract more women. By
the late 1960's most American beer was already more like the ghost of
beer than actual beer. And then the "Lite" beer revolution began and
it got even lighter. Some microbreweries have found a niche market for
things like IPA and porter, and God bless them, but for the most part
we Americans still demand that our beer be as tasteless and watery as
we can possibly get it and if it now takes a small army of chemists to
figure out how to ferment a small amount of barley and rice into a
huge amount of "beer" thats about two clicks above alka seltzer, then
that's how we Americans want it.

The "marketplace" demanded this? I demanded it? I don't remember
demanding Bud Light and Clamato in the same can.

"Christopher Helms" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 28, 8:38 am, notbob > wrote:
> On 2013-02-28, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > deal was two drafts for the price of one. I asked the bartender if they
> > had anything other than Coors. He answered ""Oh yes We have some good
> > beers too."
>
> LOL....
>
> Coors CAN make good beer. Ever tried a Blue Moon? It's Coors
> copying a Belgian wit bier and it's very good. They do know how, it's
> jes not in their business model ....yet.
>
> nb

I never could stand the *smell* of Coors. It always smelled like something
died in it to me.

Cheri


There is not a big market for genuine beer in the US. Ever since
Prohibition ended, we've been demanding that our beer be lighter,
lighter, lighter and lighter. They lightened it after Repeal, and they
lightened it still more during WW2. In the 50's they lightened it
again and offered it in smaller containers to attract more women. By
the late 1960's most American beer was already more like the ghost of
beer than actual beer. And then the "Lite" beer revolution began and
it got even lighter. Some microbreweries have found a niche market for
things like IPA and porter, and God bless them, but for the most part
we Americans still demand that our beer be as tasteless and watery as
we can possibly get it and if it now takes a small army of chemists to
figure out how to ferment a small amount of barley and rice into a
huge amount of "beer" thats about two clicks above alka seltzer, then
that's how we Americans want it.

The "marketplace" demanded this? I demanded it? I don't remember
demanding Bud Light and Clamato in the same can.

On 2/28/2013 10:31 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 28/02/2013 10:04 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Coors expanded to this side of the river in the 1980's. They tested the
>> quality of the Memphis water. They bought an old brewery (it was
>> Schlitz at one time, later Stroh's) and cranked up the bottling line. I
>> knew a number of people who worked there. The employees all got a free
>> case of beer every week. (Used to be they could drink it at work,
>> during breaks. Company lawyers soon put a stop to that.)
>>
>
>
> There is a reason for the free product. It discourages employees from
> spitting and ****ing into the vats. Drinking on the job used to be quite
> acceptable in a lot of places, though drunkeness was frowned upon. I
> used to work for our highways department and when we were on the road we
> stopped for liquid lunches. Some of our maintenance yards were notorious
> for their Friday afternoon card games and beer.
>
>
> Drinking on the the job Friday afternoon drinks started to becomean
> liability issue years ago.
(snip)

Yes, that's why I said the lawyers put a stop to it. On the job
injuries, liability and disability claims. They were working with some
pretty heavy duty equipment. I'm sure some of those guys (and probably
some of the gals) could easily knock back a six-pack on at lunch. Not a
good idea, liability wise.

I have no problem with them giving employees a free case of beer as a
perk. It's just not a good business idea to let them drink on the job
or even on company property.

The people I knew who worked there just took it home and it stacked up
until they had a party. Or until they started giving cases away. I'm
afraid I had to turn down a case of Zima. OMG, that stuff is nasty!

Jill

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:58:44 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>
> The people I knew who worked there just took it home and it stacked up
>
> until they had a party. Or until they started giving cases away. I'm
>
> afraid I had to turn down a case of Zima. OMG, that stuff is nasty!
>
I bought that once. I think I finished the rest of it on one of those
not-as-drunk-as-I'd-like-to-be-but-way-too-drunk-to-drive-to-get-more
nights. It didn't taste good.
>
> Jill

--Bryan

Are we sure about this 5% figure? My old Liquor Board pal said common brands of beer available for purchase in Texas are 3.6 and Okie grocery store beer is 3.2 which everybody already knew about the 3.2 stuff. Now they get cute on some of these measurements. They do the math differently to arrive at those numbers. I think the 3.2 is a straight percentage and the other number isn't. To paraphrase an old cooking chum..Light beer is for those who like to pee a lot. lol.

On Feb 28, 3:24*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> On Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:58:44 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > The people I knew who worked there just took it home and it stacked up
>
> > until they had a party. *Or until they started giving cases away. *I'm
>
> > afraid I had to turn down a case of Zima. *OMG, that stuff is nasty!
>
> I bought that once. *I think I finished the rest of it on one of those
> not-as-drunk-as-I'd-like-to-be-but-way-too-drunk-to-drive-to-get-more
> nights. *It didn't taste good.
>
>
>
> > Jill
>
> --Bryan

You should try drinking a six pack of Mickey's Big Mouth. That
hangover will last for two weeks.

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:02:42 PM UTC-6, Chemo wrote:
> On Feb 28, 3:24*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:58:44 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > The people I knew who worked there just took it home and it stacked up
>
> >
>
> > > until they had a party. *Or until they started giving cases away. *I'm
>
> >
>
> > > afraid I had to turn down a case of Zima. *OMG, that stuff is nasty!
>
> >
>
> > I bought that once. *I think I finished the rest of it on one of those
>
> > not-as-drunk-as-I'd-like-to-be-but-way-too-drunk-to-drive-to-get-more
>
> > nights. *It didn't taste good.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > Jill
>
> >
>
> > --Bryan
>
>
>
> You should try drinking a six pack of Mickey's Big Mouth. That
>
> hangover will last for two weeks.

I've had Mickey's before, like 25 years ago. Back then, a 6 pack of
malt liquor was just getting started.

--Bryan

On Feb 28, 4:30*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> On Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:02:42 PM UTC-6, Chemo wrote:
> > On Feb 28, 3:24*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > > On Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:58:44 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > > > The people I knew who worked there just took it home and it stacked up
>
> > > > until they had a party. *Or until they started giving cases away. *I'm
>
> > > > afraid I had to turn down a case of Zima. *OMG, that stuff is nasty!
>
> > > I bought that once. *I think I finished the rest of it on one of those
>
> > > not-as-drunk-as-I'd-like-to-be-but-way-too-drunk-to-drive-to-get-more
>
> > > nights. *It didn't taste good.
>
> > > > Jill
>
> > > --Bryan
>
> > You should try drinking a six pack of Mickey's Big Mouth. That
>
> > hangover will last for two weeks.
>
> I've had Mickey's before, like 25 years ago. *Back then, a 6 pack of
> malt liquor was just getting started.
>
> --Bryan

ah...the good old days.

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:30:43 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> wrote:

> I've had Mickey's before, like 25 years ago. Back then, a 6 pack of
> malt liquor was just getting started.

Mickey's malt liquor makes super good beer bread.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Well can only hope it costs them a bunch. That would be less money available for them to give payola to our elected reps to keep killer weed illegal. Hopefully somebody will sue Seagrams next. They own every politician in Washington..maybe the world. Or co-owners with the Busch's perhaps.