Much less impressive than the previous one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/111015449561

The previous one was made from steel strap
and cast iron. This one is made from two
wooden sticks and some bent wire. But it
seems to be genuine Griswold, hence someone
has a $99 bid. I expect it to go higher,
but how much can two sticks and some wire
be worth?

On Feb 21, 9:34*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> Much less impressive than the previous one.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111015449561
>
> The previous one was made from steel strap
> and cast iron. *This one is made from two
> wooden sticks and some bent wire. *But it
> seems to be genuine Griswold, hence someone
> has a $99 bid. *I expect it to go higher,
> but how much can two sticks and some wire
> be worth?
>
>
Whew! I wonder why so expensive? Name? Age?

" wrote:
>
> On Feb 21, 9:34 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> >
> > Much less impressive than the previous one.
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/111015449561
> >
> > The previous one was made from steel strap
> > and cast iron. This one is made from two
> > wooden sticks and some bent wire. But it
> > seems to be genuine Griswold, hence someone
> > has a $99 bid. I expect it to go higher,
> > but how much can two sticks and some wire
> > be worth?
> >
> >
> Whew! I wonder why so expensive? Name? Age?

It's all about the name. Nobody would offer $10
for it without that. Lots of people collect Griswold.

The Other Guy wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:34:56 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> wrote:
>
> >I expect it to go higher,
> >but how much can two sticks and some wire
> >be worth?
>
> On eBay, one HELL of a lot more than it's really worth!
>
> I could MAKE that for less than $10 in parts.

I've been wondering if counterfeiters might
be drawn into the scene. The previous Griswold
store display would be hard to make, but this
one would be easy.

I suspect, however, that the market would
quickly become saturated if counterfeits
started appearing.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:06:37 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>The Other Guy wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:34:56 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I expect it to go higher,
>> >but how much can two sticks and some wire
>> >be worth?
>>
>> On eBay, one HELL of a lot more than it's really worth!
>>
>> I could MAKE that for less than $10 in parts.
>
>I've been wondering if counterfeiters might
>be drawn into the scene. The previous Griswold
>store display would be hard to make, but this
>one would be easy.

Not easy at all... without a foundry and mold how will you fabricate
that casting on the front support with the company name embossed...
you'd have a near impossible time imprinting the the company name on
the wood also. Collectors are willing to pay big bucks because of the
original identifiers, otherwise any JHS student can make one in shop
class.

On 22/02/2013 3:50 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> I've been wondering if counterfeiters might
>> be drawn into the scene. The previous Griswold
>> store display would be hard to make, but this
>> one would be easy.
>
> Not easy at all... without a foundry and mold how will you fabricate
> that casting on the front support with the company name embossed...
> you'd have a near impossible time imprinting the the company name on
> the wood also. Collectors are willing to pay big bucks because of the
> original identifiers, otherwise any JHS student can make one in shop
> class.

You make you own mold. A friend of mine worked at a foundry where they
cast a lot of brass, bronze and similar alloys. Somewhere along the line
he came across an old porthole. He made arrangements with the owner to
make some duplicates on the side. He ended up selling quite a few of
those portholes to people who were refurbishing old sailboats.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:51:53 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 22/02/2013 3:50 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> I've been wondering if counterfeiters might
>>> be drawn into the scene. The previous Griswold
>>> store display would be hard to make, but this
>>> one would be easy.
>>
>> Not easy at all... without a foundry and mold how will you fabricate
>> that casting on the front support with the company name embossed...
>> you'd have a near impossible time imprinting the the company name on
>> the wood also. Collectors are willing to pay big bucks because of the
>> original identifiers, otherwise any JHS student can make one in shop
>> class.
>
>You make you own mold. A friend of mine worked at a foundry where they
>cast a lot of brass, bronze and similar alloys. Somewhere along the line
>he came across an old porthole. He made arrangements with the owner to
>make some duplicates on the side. He ended up selling quite a few of
>those portholes to people who were refurbishing old sailboats.

Making the mold costs a lot more than that piece is worth... I don't
believe your barroom story.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:06:37 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> wrote:
>
> >I've been wondering if counterfeiters might
> >be drawn into the scene. The previous Griswold
> >store display would be hard to make, but this
> >one would be easy.
>
> Not easy at all... without a foundry and mold how will you fabricate
> that casting on the front support with the company name embossed...
> you'd have a near impossible time imprinting the the company name on
> the wood also. Collectors are willing to pay big bucks because of the
> original identifiers, otherwise any JHS student can make one in shop
> class.

I'd agree the previous one with custom cast iron
would be difficult, but the recent one with the
wooden sticks and bent wire would be easy.
Branding the name on the side of the wood would
be the hardest part, but not really hard to do.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:51:53 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >You make you own mold. A friend of mine worked at a foundry where they
> >cast a lot of brass, bronze and similar alloys. Somewhere along the line
> >he came across an old porthole. He made arrangements with the owner to
> >make some duplicates on the side. He ended up selling quite a few of
> >those portholes to people who were refurbishing old sailboats.
>
> Making the mold costs a lot more than that piece is worth... I don't
> believe your barroom story.

If you have access to a facility that does casting,
it's simple as dirt. It's called sand casting.
You can easily make a mold from pretty much any
solid object in the sand, and then pour the metal
into that. The cost of the mold is almost nothing
in term of time and materials. The hard part is
getting access to the facility.

On 22/02/2013 8:42 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:51:53 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> You make you own mold. A friend of mine worked at a foundry where they
>>> cast a lot of brass, bronze and similar alloys. Somewhere along the line
>>> he came across an old porthole. He made arrangements with the owner to
>>> make some duplicates on the side. He ended up selling quite a few of
>>> those portholes to people who were refurbishing old sailboats.
>>
>> Making the mold costs a lot more than that piece is worth... I don't
>> believe your barroom story.
>
> If you have access to a facility that does casting,
> it's simple as dirt. It's called sand casting.
> You can easily make a mold from pretty much any
> solid object in the sand, and then pour the metal
> into that. The cost of the mold is almost nothing
> in term of time and materials. The hard part is
> getting access to the facility.
>

Yep.A bit of sand, water and resin. Make the mold, pour in the metal. He
had access to the foundry.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:42:02 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:51:53 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >You make you own mold. A friend of mine worked at a foundry where they
>> >cast a lot of brass, bronze and similar alloys. Somewhere along the line
>> >he came across an old porthole. He made arrangements with the owner to
>> >make some duplicates on the side. He ended up selling quite a few of
>> >those portholes to people who were refurbishing old sailboats.
>>
>> Making the mold costs a lot more than that piece is worth... I don't
>> believe your barroom story.
>
>If you have access to a facility that does casting,
>it's simple as dirt. It's called sand casting.
>You can easily make a mold from pretty much any
>solid object in the sand, and then pour the metal
>into that. The cost of the mold is almost nothing
>in term of time and materials. The hard part is
>getting access to the facility.

Not so simple to make a mold with lettering, it needs to be a mirror
image... would require a lot more time and labor, not to mention great
skill, than the finished product could ever bring, and it would be a
counterfeit/reproduction that no one would buy.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:51:53 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >You make you own mold. A friend of mine worked at a foundry where they
>> >cast a lot of brass, bronze and similar alloys. Somewhere along the line
>> >he came across an old porthole. He made arrangements with the owner to
>> >make some duplicates on the side. He ended up selling quite a few of
>> >those portholes to people who were refurbishing old sailboats.
>>
>> Making the mold costs a lot more than that piece is worth... I don't
>> believe your barroom story.
>
> If you have access to a facility that does casting,
> it's simple as dirt. It's called sand casting.
> You can easily make a mold from pretty much any
> solid object in the sand, and then pour the metal
> into that. The cost of the mold is almost nothing
> in term of time and materials. The hard part is
> getting access to the facility.

True, I have seen it. I used to work with a Heritage museum and one guy,
from two pieces, copied and built up a band stand. Beautiful it is with
fine scrollwork. I was lucky enough to be shown how he did it. He used a
sand cast.

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Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> Much less impressive than the previous one.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111015449561
>
> The previous one was made from steel strap
> and cast iron. This one is made from two
> wooden sticks and some bent wire. But it
> seems to be genuine Griswold, hence someone
> has a $99 bid. I expect it to go higher,
> but how much can two sticks and some wire
> be worth?

Two days to go, and three people have made
bids above $125. I'm preparing to be shocked.

On 2/24/2013 5:50 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>> Much less impressive than the previous one.
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111015449561
>>
>> The previous one was made from steel strap
>> and cast iron. This one is made from two
>> wooden sticks and some bent wire. But it
>> seems to be genuine Griswold, hence someone
>> has a $99 bid. I expect it to go higher,
>> but how much can two sticks and some wire
>> be worth?
>
> Two days to go, and three people have made
> bids above $125. I'm preparing to be shocked.
>
It's up to $156.50 this morning. Ridiculous.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 2/24/2013 5:50 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> > Mark Thorson wrote:
> >
> > Two days to go, and three people have made
> > bids above $125. I'm preparing to be shocked.
> >
> It's up to $156.50 this morning. Ridiculous.

Sold for $267.50. Two sticks of wood and some
bent wire.