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I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the field. My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to learn Pascal. Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math.
Any advice would be appreciated. --Bryan |
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Bryan wrote:
> > I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the field. > My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to learn Pascal. > Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math. > > Any advice would be appreciated. I suggest he learn to program using BASIC. It's easy to learn. Once he learns the concept, learning another language is fairly easy. G. |
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Bryan > wrote in
: > I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the > field. I'm thinking of growing some corn....... I've got some braod beans alraedy in place, but wanted to know if corn would grow in a cool climate. I haven't got a 'field' per se, but a large area to grow stuff. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > About food? eat it. -- Peter Brisbane Australia Success isn't so difficult. Just bite off more than you can chew, then go do it. |
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Bryan wrote:
> > I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the field. > My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to learn Pascal. > Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math. > > Any advice would be appreciated. Isn't Pascal a brand of celery? |
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Bryan > wrote:
> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the > field. My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to > learn Pascal. Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > --Bryan I had a little computer training while in electronics school. I guess I learned more in a 2 week training school at DEC. Learning some 8 bit machine language programming is probably best at learning how a computer really works. Depends on how basic you want to get. Greg |
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"Bryan" > wrote in message ... >I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the field. >My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to learn Pascal. >Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > --Bryan i do not think learning a programming language is broad enough. start here http://inventors.about.com/library/blcoindex.htm then start reading after goggling "history of computers"' then download a BASIC like http://justbasic.com/ and let him play. Dimitri |
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"Dimitri" > wrote:
> "Bryan" > wrote in message > ... >> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the >> field. >My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to >> learn Pascal. >Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math. >> >> Any advice would be appreciated. >> >> --Bryan > > i do not think learning a programming language is broad enough. > > start here > http://inventors.about.com/library/blcoindex.htm > > then start reading after goggling "history of computers"' > > then download a BASIC like http://justbasic.com/ and let him play. > > Dimitri Knowing how a computer works requires knowledge of registers, binary, and how 1's and zeros are stored, addressed, shifted, added, etc. How to work computers gets you into programming. Basic is a good choice for learning a way to program. Greg |
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"Bryan" > wrote in message ... >I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the field. >My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to learn Pascal. >Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math. > > Any advice would be appreciated. I wrote Pascal code for 10 years, along with COBOL and C and C++. My Pascal instructor was a grad student of Niklas Wirth. So why Pascal? It is a fine language, teaches dynamic memory allocation but C++ is where it's at. |
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On 2013-02-17, Bryan > wrote:
> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the > field. My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him > to learn Pascal. Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and > really good at math. Get yer kid an old used PC desktop computer. You can find one for free if you look around. Have him take it apart and put it back together. They are no more complicated than yer old college stereo system or today's entertainment center. Jes a buncha individual components connected together by wires. Pretty simple, actually, once you get beyond the tight working spaces. Your library probably has at least one book on computer hardware. Look for "build your own computer" or something along those lines. Or look online. When he gets it back together so it works, install Linux on it. I recommend Slackware linux. Why Slackware instead of Ubuntu or Red Hat? The old saw is, "If you want to learn Red Hat, use Red Hat. If you want to learn Linux, us Slackware". I concur. Put yer kid in a typing class. If he's gonna learn computers, he needs to learn to touch type and he's at the perfect age. It's a skill that will benefit him a lifetime, whether he becomes a computer programmer or not. Jes do it! He'll thank you, later. If he's still chomping at the bit after all that, THEN put him in a programming class. Programming is not for everyone. I learned early I don't like it. I love computers, but programming bores me to freakin' tears. Your kid might dislike it, too, so don't be disappainted if he doesn't. How will he know. Put him in a structured class. Basic language is good enough to learn if programming is right. It's easy and teaches the basics of algorithms, etc. There are other kid oriented programming languages, too. You might let him try to learn html coding on his own. It's the programming language web pages are made of and can be easily self taught. It's not as structured as formal languages, but will give the kid a feel for what coding (programming) is about. Plus, he will se immediate results and it will give the kid a sense of accomplishment. Here's a good starting point: http://htmldog.com/ If he likes it, great. Pour it on! Buy him everything he needs. Does he like video games? He might like to learn to program video games. A higher language like python can't hurt if coding suits him. If he doesn't like it, if you find he rather play games than code games, don't push him into it. Don't be discouraged. A person can work in the computer industry and not be a crack programmer. Most system administrators are not programmers. Let him find his own way. This is jes my take on it. Ask for other opinions. Ask a programmer. Introduce yer kid to a programmer. Learn about it, yerself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ming_languages (see children) I'll not go into the politics of proprietary software (Windows, Apple) versus open source software (FOSS, Linux, BSD), but be aware that the industry in changing toward FOSS. If yer kid wants to make a career of it, that's where the action is. Good luck, nb |
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Bryan wrote:
> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the > field. My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to > learn Pascal. Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really > good at math. > > Any advice would be appreciated. Programming is one thing, how computers work is a totally different thing. Find him something about assembling PC's and then see what direction he chooses: it could be programming but also internet surfing, playing games, participating in newsgroups / fora... Let him start with how computers work and see what he likes -- "Un pasto senza vino e' come un giorno senza sole" Anthelme Brillat Savarin |
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:30:25 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> wrote: >I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the field. My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to learn Pascal. Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math. > >Any advice would be appreciated. You have Google! It;'sa made you an expert on everything else. Use it! ROFL!!! ;-) John [Computer Engineer/Registeted Nurse] Kuthe... |
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"ViLco" > wrote in message ... > Bryan wrote: > >> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the >> field. My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to >> learn Pascal. Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really >> good at math. >> >> Any advice would be appreciated. > > Programming is one thing, how computers work is a totally different thing. > Find him something about assembling PC's and then see what direction he > chooses: it could be programming but also internet surfing, playing games, > participating in newsgroups / fora... Let him start with how computers > work and see what he likes That is what my grandson is doing just now. He will be 12yo soon. He wanted to 'build' his own computer. He has been saving all his gift and pocket money and is buying it himself. The local computer shop (in Germany) is helping him to choose what he wants and teaching him to put it all together. I think it is a great idea:) -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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Ophelia wrote:
>> him start with how computers work and see what he likes > That is what my grandson is doing just now. He will be 12yo soon. He > wanted to 'build' his own computer. He has been saving all his gift > and pocket money and is buying it himself. The local computer shop > (in Germany) is helping him to choose what he wants and teaching him > to put it all together. I think it is a great idea:) Really, that way he'll have someone helping him out as he starts his way :) -- "Un pasto senza vino e' come un giorno senza sole" Anthelme Brillat Savarin |
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"ViLco" > wrote in message ... > Ophelia wrote: > >>> him start with how computers work and see what he likes > >> That is what my grandson is doing just now. He will be 12yo soon. He >> wanted to 'build' his own computer. He has been saving all his gift >> and pocket money and is buying it himself. The local computer shop >> (in Germany) is helping him to choose what he wants and teaching him >> to put it all together. I think it is a great idea:) > > Really, that way he'll have someone helping him out as he starts his way > :) Yes:) His birthday is soon and he will use his birthday money for more programs and hardwa) Yesterday he was showing me what he had and what he is using it for (skype). It's a big tower; it is standing on floor next to his desk:) -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:18:39 +0000 (UTC), "I'm back" >
wrote: >Bryan > wrote in : > >> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the >> field. > > >I'm thinking of growing some corn....... I've got some braod beans alraedy >in place, but wanted to know if corn would grow in a cool climate. > >I haven't got a 'field' per se, but a large area to grow stuff. > > >> >> Any advice would be appreciated. >> > > >About food? eat it. Yes, it will. I don't know what is available for you, but here I can get corn seed purposed for northern states. As Janet said, there are corn seeds available for 79 days on up. So whether your issue is short days or cool temps or both, you should be able to find the seed for it. When you plant, pay attention to the soil temp requirements for seeding so the seed doesn't rot in the ground. Janet US |
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Janet > wrote in
T: > In article >, > says... >> >> Bryan > wrote in >> : >> >> > I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the >> > field. >> >> >> I'm thinking of growing some corn....... I've got some braod beans >> alraedy in place, but wanted to know if corn would grow in a cool >> climate. > > Yes it will if you get the right variety for the conditions. I'm > in > Scotland (how cool is that) and choose from seed varieties developed > for cool climates and short (90 day) growing season. > > Janet UK > > Well, if you can grow it there, I should be able to grow it down in Tasmania. I'll have to look into what different varieties they have over here. Thanks. (I've got a thing for raw sweet corn at the moment :-) -- Peter Brisbane Australia Success isn't so difficult. Just bite off more than you can chew, then go do it. |
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Janet Bostwick > wrote in
: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:18:39 +0000 (UTC), "I'm back" > > wrote: > >>Bryan > wrote in : >> >>> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the >>> field. >> >> >>I'm thinking of growing some corn....... I've got some braod beans >>alraedy in place, but wanted to know if corn would grow in a cool >>climate. >> >>I haven't got a 'field' per se, but a large area to grow stuff. >> >> >>> >>> Any advice would be appreciated. >>> >> >> >>About food? eat it. > Yes, it will. I don't know what is available for you, but here I can > get corn seed purposed for northern states. Being a corn growing 'newbie' I thought that corn, was corn, was corn, like bananas. Good for some areas, no good for others. It was one thing I noticed on my travels down in Tas, was no-one was growing any corn...... > As Janet said, there are > corn seeds available for 79 days on up. So whether your issue is > short days or cool temps or both, At the moment it is looooooooooooooooooooong days........ doesn't get dark till about 9pm, light at about 4.30am. We're heading back down there soon for about 4 weeks, so it's going to be a bit of a shock for the SO to have broad daylight at 8.30-9pm. > you should be able to find the seed > for it. I'm going to hunt around in the garden shops and see what I come up with. > When you plant, pay attention to the soil temp requirements > for seeding so the seed doesn't rot in the ground. > Janet US > Most of the seeds sold around here have the 'Best Time to Sow' dates on them........ have never seen any requiring taking soil temps. I might strike it lucky if I can find some seed, as the previous owners told me, and showed me, that "all you have to do is throw something on the ground here, and it will grow." We apparently have the best dirt in the whole neighbourhood. (tested by those people who test soil viability.) I'm looking forward to checking it out. -- Peter Brisbane Australia Success isn't so difficult. Just bite off more than you can chew, then go do it. |
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notbob wrote and I snipped liberally:
> Get yer kid an old used PC desktop computer. You can find one for free if > you look around. Have him take it apart and put it back together. > > When he gets it back together so it works, install Linux on it. I > recommend Slackware linux. > > Put yer kid in a typing class. > > If he's still chomping at the bit after all that, THEN put him in a > programming class. Programming is not for everyone. I learned early I > don't like it. I love computers, but programming bores me to freakin' > tears. > > You might let him try to learn html coding on his own. This is the absolute best advice I've seen in this thread. I concur with it all, though I'd add that at some point the kid should learn how assemblers and compilers work, so that he understands the link between the high-level language and the hardware. With regard to programming, I *used* to like it, but when I started doing it professionally I had problems sleeping because when I lay down to sleep my mind would still be in code-writing mode...and it wasn't *good* code: In my half-dreaming state it seemed profound and correct, but when I wrote it down and looked at it the next day, it was sleep-deprived gibberish like the "Hogamus Higamus" doggerel. Bob |
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On 2/17/2013 9:41 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Bryan wrote: >> >> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the field. >> My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to learn Pascal. >> Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math. >> >> Any advice would be appreciated. > > Isn't Pascal a brand of celery? > I agree with VB. Buy him a copy of Visual Studio 2012 and after learning the basics he can learn C# which is the basis of .NET programming. .NET is much more than just programming for web applications. |
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On 2/17/2013 10:04 PM, Dimitri wrote:
> > "Bryan" > wrote in message > ... >> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the >> field. My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to >> learn Pascal. Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really >> good at math. >> >> Any advice would be appreciated. >> >> --Bryan > > i do not think learning a programming language is broad enough. > > start here > http://inventors.about.com/library/blcoindex.htm > > then start reading after goggling "history of computers"' > > then download a BASIC like http://justbasic.com/ and let him play. > > Dimitri For the age of Brian's son, it is a good start. My 13 year old nephew has been programming for the past year which is opening him up to broader topics. Programming has a good reward for their age. They can create something that works and can say "I did that!". |
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On 2013-02-18, Bob Terwilliger > wrote:
> This is the absolute best advice I've seen in this thread. I concur with it > all, Well, thankee, Bob. > though I'd add that at some point the kid should learn how assemblers > and compilers work so that he understands the link between the high-level > language and the hardware. Agree. It's kinda the crossover point between hobby and serious programming. I know jes enough about C, lisp, html, and linux scripting to be dangerous, but not good. I can usually tell what I'm looking at, maybe even fight my way out of a code paper bag, but don't asked me to generate a real program. My eyes glaze over and I start dreaming about a bottle of good beer. ;) nb |
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Bryan wrote:
> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the field. My son wants to know how computers work, > and I advised him to learn Pascal. Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math. > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > --Bryan > OK, my advice. Forget Pascal. Let him learn C and C++. If he really wants to know how computers work deep down, he'll have to learn Assembler (nowadays, Intel assembler). Cheers, Michael Kuettner |
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On 2/18/2013 12:17 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:42:16 -0500, T wrote: > >> I'd suggest he learn Python. > > Visual Basic is not a very graceful language, but it sets you up to > learn other languages as well. My kids would probably start there or > with Java. Pascal is dead nowadays. Might as well learn something > useful. > > -sw > Pascal is alive and well in the form of Delphi... |
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On 2/17/2013 8:18 PM, I'm back wrote:
> Bryan > wrote in > : > >> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the >> field. > > > I'm thinking of growing some corn....... I've got some braod beans alraedy > in place, but wanted to know if corn would grow in a cool climate. > > I haven't got a 'field' per se, but a large area to grow stuff. > > >> >> Any advice would be appreciated. >> > > > About food? eat it. > > > What an odd place to ask this question: In a thread about computer programming. Why would you ask a question about growing corn in a computer programming thread. It makes no sense why you would do such a thing. |
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On 2013-02-18, jay > wrote:
> Why would you advise him to learn Pascal? Yeah. Learning ANY higher level language will teach the basic concepts of programming, but c'mon, let's join the 21st century. Sure, learning ansi C will never become obsolete, but other languages are so much more in demand. Look at java, python, ruby, perl, etc. In short, look at an employment website! ;) nb |
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On Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:30:25 PM UTC-5, Bryan wrote:
> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the field. My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to learn Pascal. Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math. > > > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > > > --Bryan In all sincerity, I would recommend Basic as a first language. It's easy and it's fun. You could learn with him if you don't already program. The serious languages can wait until he's hooked. |
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On Monday, February 18, 2013 6:12:01 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-02-18, jay > wrote: > > > > > Why would you advise him to learn Pascal? > > > > Yeah. Learning ANY higher level language will teach the basic > > concepts of programming, but c'mon, let's join the 21st century. > > Sure, learning ansi C will never become obsolete, but other languages > > are so much more in demand. Look at java, python, ruby, perl, etc. > > In short, look at an employment website! ;) > > > > nb He's 11. This isn't about making him marketable. Besides, the reality of the IT world is that if you can't pick up a new language in a matter of weeks, you're useless. What you learn on isn't that important. Granted, Basic is a horrible language, but it's easier to pick up. I will agree that Pascal is about the worst choice. Not a fun language at all and pretty much useless unless you "break" it. |
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On 2/18/2013 7:55 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > That is what my grandson is doing just now. He will be 12yo soon. He > wanted to 'build' his own computer. He has been saving all his gift and > pocket money and is buying it himself. The local computer shop (in > Germany) is helping him to choose what he wants and teaching him to put > it all together. I think it is a great idea:) That's how I got into the computer field. I wish I was that young at the time. But in the early 90s I bought my first PC and it was a little piece of crap. Fine at first, but as the industry expanded and improved at the speed of light, my 2MB Windows 3.1 machine was outdated as soon as it was set up. I didn't even like Windows at the time and refused to load it even though it was there. DOS was all I needed. Instead of trying to find a newer one, which at the time could easily cost you $1,500 I figured out how to upgrade individual components. It was the start of my technology career due to my interest in it. I was already programming but bored with it. And I was in my 30s. ;) |
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On 2/18/2013 8:52 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > "ViLco" > wrote in message > ... >> Ophelia wrote: >> >>>> him start with how computers work and see what he likes >> >>> That is what my grandson is doing just now. He will be 12yo soon. He >>> wanted to 'build' his own computer. He has been saving all his gift >>> and pocket money and is buying it himself. The local computer shop >>> (in Germany) is helping him to choose what he wants and teaching him >>> to put it all together. I think it is a great idea:) >> >> Really, that way he'll have someone helping him out as he starts his >> way :) > > Yes:) His birthday is soon and he will use his birthday money for more > programs and hardwa) Yesterday he was showing me what he had and > what he is using it for (skype). It's a big tower; it is standing on > floor next to his desk:) > Great!! Proud grandma! |
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On 2/18/2013 6:12 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-02-18, jay > wrote: > >> Why would you advise him to learn Pascal? > > Yeah. Learning ANY higher level language will teach the basic > concepts of programming, but c'mon, let's join the 21st century. > Sure, learning ansi C will never become obsolete, but other languages > are so much more in demand. Look at java, python, ruby, perl, etc. > In short, look at an employment website! ;) > > nb > The company I work for employs a lot of java programmers, and they really try to push for languages that are platform independent, but in the real world, .NET is unfortunately king. Most companies will still hang on to the old standard of Windows server platform and as much as the *nix people hate that, I don't see it changing anytime soon. Sure you can cheaply set up some linux machines and run open source software, but can you easily pass security compliance scans and remediate them well enough that a report can show it? Not in my experience. Scan reports depend on signatures they can get from security app vendors and they just don't know them all. So my opinion is to stay with mainstream. Java is hardest to keep secure because an update will likely break your application. If you can't update Java, your application isn't compliant. Just my .02. |
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Gary > wrote:
> Bryan wrote: >> >> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the field. >> My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to learn Pascal. >> Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math. >> >> Any advice would be appreciated. > > I suggest he learn to program using BASIC. It's easy to learn. Once he > learns the concept, learning another language is fairly easy. > > G. There is a difference on knowing how a computer works as to how to use a computer. Son says how a computer works. Didn't say anything about programming. So what does he really want to know ?? Greg |
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Hench > wrote:
> On 2/17/2013 8:18 PM, I'm back wrote: >> Bryan > wrote in >> : >> >>> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the >>> field. >> >> >> I'm thinking of growing some corn....... I've got some braod beans alraedy >> in place, but wanted to know if corn would grow in a cool climate. >> >> I haven't got a 'field' per se, but a large area to grow stuff. >> >> >>> >>> Any advice would be appreciated. >>> >> >> >> About food? eat it. >> >> >> > > What an odd place to ask this question: In a thread about computer programming. > > Why would you ask a question about growing corn in a computer programming > thread. It makes no sense why you would do such a thing. Sometimes one asks question to those they regularly communicate with, even though it's OT. Want to question politics and guns ?? Greg |
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On Monday, February 18, 2013 8:35:54 PM UTC-6, gregz wrote:
> Gary > wrote: > > > Bryan wrote: > > >> > > >> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the field. > > >> My son wants to know how computers work, and I advised him to learn Pascal. > > >> Does that make sense? He's eleven, smart and really good at math. > > >> > > >> Any advice would be appreciated. > > > > > > I suggest he learn to program using BASIC. It's easy to learn. Once he > > > learns the concept, learning another language is fairly easy. > > > > > > G. > > > > There is a difference on knowing how a computer works as to how to use a > > computer. > > > > Son says how a computer works. Didn't say anything about programming. > > > > So what does he really want to know ?? > He discovered Lazarus, and has done a few simple things. The whole thing is about getting him to discover how to do things on his own. He may or may not become interested in programming, but he is learning to seek out information and might get insight into the whole "if then" idea. If he does get interested in programming, his maternal grandfather is a great resource, as he was chair of the mathematics department at St. Louis University, and taught computer sciences courses. My goal is encouraging my son to learn to think in flow charts and Venn diagrams, and to have a sense of logic in general. He also needs to understand the fundamental counting principle-- http://www.basic-mathematics.com/fun...principle.html Put that together with the ability to solve word problems with low level algerbra, and a person has the basis for going further in math, but more importantly, the ability to do the simple tasks of day-to-day life. > > Greg --Bryan |
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Hench > wrote in :
> On 2/17/2013 8:18 PM, I'm back wrote: >> Bryan > wrote in >> : >> >>> I know some of you know a lot about computers, and even work in the >>> field. >> >> >> I'm thinking of growing some corn....... I've got some braod beans >> alraedy in place, but wanted to know if corn would grow in a cool >> climate. >> >> I haven't got a 'field' per se, but a large area to grow stuff. >> >> >>> >>> Any advice would be appreciated. >>> >> >> >> About food? eat it. >> >> >> > > What an odd place to ask this question: In a thread about computer > programming. > > Why would you ask a question about growing corn in a computer > programming thread. It makes no sense why you would do such a thing. > And you are........??? besides a troll, that is. However just FYI.... that moron Bryan asked an OT question and mentions fields... that got me thinking and ... viola'.... we are now back ON TOPIC, and it's about food. You have a problem with that? -- Peter Brisbane Australia Success isn't so difficult. Just bite off more than you can chew, then go do it. |
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