How do you know when someone is building up to a panic attack? I
know a person who just came back from the hospital after having a
panic attack. He was doing odd things on Sunday, but we attributed it
to something else... so (to all the medical personal out there) what
do I look for? I don't want to be surprised like this again.

thx

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> How do you know when someone is building up to a panic attack? I
> know a person who just came back from the hospital after having a
> panic attack. He was doing odd things on Sunday, but we attributed it
> to something else... so (to all the medical personal out there) what
> do I look for? I don't want to be surprised like this again.
>
> thx

Everyone is different. They might start acting panicky, hyperventilate,
pass out, think they're having a heart attack, etc. What sort of odd things
was he doing?

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:33:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > How do you know when someone is building up to a panic attack? I
> > know a person who just came back from the hospital after having a
> > panic attack. He was doing odd things on Sunday, but we attributed it
> > to something else... so (to all the medical personal out there) what
> > do I look for? I don't want to be surprised like this again.
> >
> > thx
>
> Everyone is different. They might start acting panicky, hyperventilate,
> pass out, think they're having a heart attack, etc. What sort of odd things
> was he doing?
>
It was basically using poor judgment and was acting out of character.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Apr 11, 11:18*pm, sf > wrote:
> How do you know when someone is building up to a panic attack? * I
> know a person who just came back from the hospital after having a
> panic attack. *He was doing odd things on Sunday, but we attributed it
> to something else... so (to all the medical personal out there) what
> do I look for? *I don't want to be surprised like this again.
>
> thx
>
> --
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Maybe he was stoned.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:31:30 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
> wrote:

> On Apr 11, 11:18*pm, sf > wrote:
> > How do you know when someone is building up to a panic attack? * I
> > know a person who just came back from the hospital after having a
> > panic attack. *He was doing odd things on Sunday, but we attributed it
> > to something else... so (to all the medical personal out there) what
> > do I look for? *I don't want to be surprised like this again.
> >
> > thx
> >
> > --
> > Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> Maybe he was stoned.

I think he needs a head doctor.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Apr 12, 3:27*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:33:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
> > > How do you know when someone is building up to a panic attack? * I
> > > know a person who just came back from the hospital after having a
> > > panic attack. *He was doing odd things on Sunday, but we attributed it
> > > to something else... so (to all the medical personal out there) what
> > > do I look for? *I don't want to be surprised like this again.
>
> > > thx
>
> > Everyone is different. *They might start acting panicky, hyperventilate,
> > pass out, think they're having a heart attack, etc. *What sort of odd things
> > was he doing?
>
> It was basically using poor judgment and was acting out of character.
>

I agree with the "hyperventilating/think they're having a heart
attack" signs and symptoms of a panic attack. Poor judgment/out of
character sounds like a neurological problem. Low blood sugar?

Did they give him a tranquilizer, after which he acted normally?

sf wrote:

>It was basically using poor judgment and
> was acting out of character.

That sounds more like a mini stroke, than a panic attack. Sometimes
people can have several of those mini strokes close together, and it
will affect them for a short time. My dad use to have those all the
time, and would really do some bizarre things at the time.

If this person has another spell like that, I would get them to the ER
(or a doctor) right away, so they can be tested.

Judy

On Apr 12, 6:00*pm, spamtrap1888 > wrote:
> On Apr 12, 3:27*pm, sf > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:33:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > "sf" > wrote in message
> > .. .
>
> > > > How do you know when someone is building up to a panic attack? * I
> > > > know a person who just came back from the hospital after having a
> > > > panic attack. *He was doing odd things on Sunday, but we attributed it
> > > > to something else... so (to all the medical personal out there) what
> > > > do I look for? *I don't want to be surprised like this again.
>
> > > > thx
>
> > > Everyone is different. *They might start acting panicky, hyperventilate,
> > > pass out, think they're having a heart attack, etc. *What sort of odd things
> > > was he doing?
>
> > It was basically using poor judgment and was acting out of character.
>
> I agree with the "hyperventilating/think they're having a heart
> attack" signs and symptoms of a panic attack. Poor judgment/out of
> character sounds like a neurological problem. Low blood sugar?
>
> Did they give him a tranquilizer, after which he acted normally?

I had one of those once. I had, for the most part, quit smoking.
Sometimes, however, if I were out at a smoky bar drinking a lot, I'd
smoke. I went out to this club and must have smoked a pack and a half
of cigarettes in about 6 hours. The next day, I started getting
shortness of breath, then compensated with hyperventilating, and got
into a vicious cycle. I ended up having my wife drive me to the
emergency room because I thought I was dying. They gave me a bag to
breathe into, a few Xanax and an explanation. That was about 12 years
ago, and I haven't touched tobacco--or had a panic attack--since then.

--Bryan

Bwrrryan wrote:
>
>I had one of those once. I had, for the most part, quit smoking.

But for you that was easy... you never give up puffing peepee.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:20:17 -0700 (PDT), Bryan
> wrote:

....
>I had one of those once. I had, for the most part, quit smoking.
>Sometimes, however, if I were out at a smoky bar drinking a lot, I'd
>smoke. I went out to this club and must have smoked a pack and a half
>of cigarettes in about 6 hours. The next day, I started getting
>shortness of breath, then compensated with hyperventilating, and got
>into a vicious cycle. I ended up having my wife drive me to the
>emergency room because I thought I was dying. They gave me a bag to
>breathe into, a few Xanax and an explanation. That was about 12 years
>ago, and I haven't touched tobacco--or had a panic attack--since then.
>
>--Bryan

Confusing cause and coincidence again, eh?

John Kuthe...

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:43:06 -0800, (Judy Haffner)
wrote:

>
>sf wrote:
>
>>It was basically using poor judgment and
>> was acting out of character.
>
>That sounds more like a mini stroke, than a panic attack. Sometimes
>people can have several of those mini strokes close together, and it
>will affect them for a short time. My dad use to have those all the
>time, and would really do some bizarre things at the time.
>
>If this person has another spell like that, I would get them to the ER
>(or a doctor) right away, so they can be tested.
>
>Judy

TIA or Transient Ischemic Attack. Possibly. CAT scan may show
something. Or not.

John Kuthe...

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:00:52 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> wrote:

> Did they give him a tranquilizer, after which he acted normally?

I don't know what they did.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:33:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> How do you know when someone is building up to a panic attack? I
>>> know a person who just came back from the hospital after having a
>>> panic attack. He was doing odd things on Sunday, but we attributed
>>> it to something else... so (to all the medical personal out there)
>>> what do I look for? I don't want to be surprised like this again.
>>>
>>> thx
>>
>> Everyone is different. They might start acting panicky,
>> hyperventilate, pass out, think they're having a heart attack, etc.
>> What sort of odd things was he doing?
>>
> It was basically using poor judgment and was acting out of character.

Well I know of a person who has panic attacks. And he has done incredibly
stupid things in a panic. For instance if he is holding something in his
hands, say a plate of food, he will throw it. He never stops to think that
he could be injuring someone by doing that or that there will be a mess to
clean up later.

I do not suffer from panic attacks myself so I just can't relate.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:43:06 -0800, (Judy Haffner)
wrote:

> If this person has another spell like that, I would get them to the ER
> (or a doctor) right away, so they can be tested.

Thanks. He was taken to ER by ambulance because it happened in a
public place, he was alone and they didn't want to be responsible if
he harmed himself or others. I'm guessing he was incoherent at the
time, because he'd just called us a few minutes before it happened to
say he'd be at our house in half an hour. If he was thinking clearly
he would have called to say he wouldn't arrive at the time he told us
he'd be here.

I talked with a couple of friends about the episode today. One of
them has personal experience with panic attacks and she says he needs
so talk to a therapist ASAP, because it helps (and so do meds taken as
part of the therapy process). The other one has two super smart
(grown) children with clinical depression and she recommended calling
NAMI, so that's at the top of my to-do list. She also says that
asking someone point blank if they are thinking about killing them
self is the right thing to do, you're not planting an idea. Her
husband is a world renowned neurobiologist and he says early treatment
has the best prognosis because the brain hasn't yet trained itself to
have a specific reaction to whatever the trigger is. She also says
that the person I'm concerned about has had more panic attacks than he
admits to because he knows exactly how long he needs to compose
himself.

PS: Did you know that you never have to ask a person how much
physical pain they are in because you can see it on their face?
Medical personnel don't take your word for it, they rate your pain
visually. So, don't ask if it hurts - look at their face!
http://www.painxchange.com.au/images...ainScale-R.png

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:43:06 -0800, (Judy Haffner)
> wrote:
>
>> If this person has another spell like that, I would get them to the ER
>> (or a doctor) right away, so they can be tested.
>
> Thanks. He was taken to ER by ambulance because it happened in a
> public place, he was alone and they didn't want to be responsible if
> he harmed himself or others. I'm guessing he was incoherent at the
> time, because he'd just called us a few minutes before it happened to
> say he'd be at our house in half an hour. If he was thinking clearly
> he would have called to say he wouldn't arrive at the time he told us
> he'd be here.
>
> I talked with a couple of friends about the episode today. One of
> them has personal experience with panic attacks and she says he needs
> so talk to a therapist ASAP, because it helps (and so do meds taken as
> part of the therapy process). The other one has two super smart
> (grown) children with clinical depression and she recommended calling
> NAMI, so that's at the top of my to-do list. She also says that
> asking someone point blank if they are thinking about killing them
> self is the right thing to do, you're not planting an idea. Her
> husband is a world renowned neurobiologist and he says early treatment
> has the best prognosis because the brain hasn't yet trained itself to
> have a specific reaction to whatever the trigger is. She also says
> that the person I'm concerned about has had more panic attacks than he
> admits to because he knows exactly how long he needs to compose
> himself.
>
> PS: Did you know that you never have to ask a person how much
> physical pain they are in because you can see it on their face?
> Medical personnel don't take your word for it, they rate your pain
> visually. So, don't ask if it hurts - look at their face!
> http://www.painxchange.com.au/images...ainScale-R.png

Then why do we always get asked how bad the pain is? I've seen them show
that scale to people who can't speak very well. They have them point to the
face that represents them. And it was shown to my daughter when she was not
old enough to know what a scale was. She would just point to the face.

In article >, says...
>
> sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:33:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>>
> >>> How do you know when someone is building up to a panic attack? I
> >>> know a person who just came back from the hospital after having a
> >>> panic attack. He was doing odd things on Sunday, but we attributed
> >>> it to something else... so (to all the medical personal out there)
> >>> what do I look for? I don't want to be surprised like this again.
> >>>
> >>> thx
> >>
> >> Everyone is different. They might start acting panicky,
> >> hyperventilate, pass out, think they're having a heart attack, etc.
> >> What sort of odd things was he doing?
> >>
> > It was basically using poor judgment and was acting out of character.
>
> Well I know of a person who has panic attacks. And he has done incredibly
> stupid things in a panic. For instance if he is holding something in his
> hands, say a plate of food, he will throw it. He never stops to think that
> he could be injuring someone by doing that or that there will be a mess to
> clean up later.
>
> I do not suffer from panic attacks myself so I just can't relate.

Friend of mine suffers from them. Nothing as bad as your friend, just
the standard tightening of the chest and the feeling like he can't
breathe.

On Apr 12, 7:59*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:43:06 -0800, (Judy Haffner)
> wrote:
>
> > If this person has another spell like that, I would get them to the ER
> > (or a doctor) right away, so they can be tested.
>
> Thanks. *He was taken to ER by ambulance because it happened in a
> public place, he was alone and they didn't want to be responsible if
> he harmed himself or others. *I'm guessing he was incoherent at the
> time, because he'd just called us a few minutes before it happened to
> say he'd be at our house in half an hour. *If he was thinking clearly
> he would have called to say he wouldn't arrive at the time he told us
> he'd be here.
>
> I talked with a couple of friends about the episode today. *One of
> them has personal experience with panic attacks and she says he needs
> so talk to a therapist ASAP, because it helps (and so do meds taken as
> part of the therapy process). *The other one has two super smart
> (grown) children with clinical depression and she recommended calling
> NAMI, so that's at the top of my to-do list. *She also says that
> asking someone point blank if they are thinking about killing them
> self is the right thing to do, you're not planting an idea. *Her
> husband is a world renowned neurobiologist and he says early treatment
> has the best prognosis because the brain hasn't yet trained itself to
> have a specific reaction to whatever the trigger is. *She also says
> that the person I'm concerned about has had more panic attacks than he
> admits to because he knows exactly how long he needs to compose
> himself.

Whoa. One swallow does not make a summer, and one panic attack --
which as far as you know is the only one he's ever had, because you
keep saying he was acting out of character -- does not add up to
mental illness. Do your friends know this guy?

I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit. Unless
you're his next of kin, let it go.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> wrote:

> I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit. Unless
> you're his next of kin, let it go.

It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. If he's driving and
has the baby with him, it would put her in danger when he has another
one.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Apr 13, 1:42*am, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>
> > wrote:
> > I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit. Unless
> > you're his next of kin, let it go.
>
> It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. *If he's driving and
> has the baby with him, it would put her in danger when he has another
> one.
>
> --
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

It really is not your business. You are worried about something that
might happen. If we interfered with others because something might
happen everyone would be reporting everyone! If you get involved,
( make calls for him, stick your nose in at all,) in all probablilty
you will lose a friend evenually. If you think he is dangerous call
the cops otherwize stay out of it and be there for him if he melts
down hard. You don't now the whole story so you can't know what is
already being done. He went tothe ER so he is in the system, ya just
got to let the system play out.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:59:53 -0700, sf > wrote:
....
>PS: Did you know that you never have to ask a person how much
>physical pain they are in because you can see it on their face?
>Medical personnel don't take your word for it, they rate your pain
>visually. So, don't ask if it hurts - look at their face!
>http://www.painxchange.com.au/images...ainScale-R.png

Um, it's a combination of assessments.It's up to the nurse or
whoever's doing the assessment. If a person is A&Ox4 (Alert and
oriented to person, place, time and situation) and able to
communicater verbally you can ask them to rate/describe their pain. Of
course they can deceive you if they choose too. If a person says they
are in no pain but they are obviously stressed, whinging and screwing
up their face in "pain" then the nurse shoul use their best judgement
to report their pain.

Of course in the U.S. a patient also always has the right top refuse
any meds, unless compelled to take them by a judge like in a violent
psychosis case.

John Kuthe...

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:23:52 -0700 (PDT), pamjd >
wrote:

> On Apr 13, 1:42*am, sf > wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit. Unless
> > > you're his next of kin, let it go.
> >
> > It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. *If he's driving and
> > has the baby with him, it would put her in danger when he has another
> > one.
> >
> > --
> > Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> It really is not your business. You are worried about something that
> might happen. If we interfered with others because something might
> happen everyone would be reporting everyone! If you get involved,
> ( make calls for him, stick your nose in at all,) in all probablilty
> you will lose a friend evenually. If you think he is dangerous call
> the cops otherwize stay out of it and be there for him if he melts
> down hard. You don't now the whole story so you can't know what is
> already being done. He went tothe ER so he is in the system, ya just
> got to let the system play out.

I think the attitude of ignoring mental illness is horrible. Stick
your head in the sand and ignore the obvious, but I'm not going to do
that.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Apr 13, 8:55*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:59:53 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> ...
>
> >PS: *Did you know that you never have to ask a person how much
> >physical pain they are in because you can see it on their face?
> >Medical personnel don't take your word for it, they rate your pain
> >visually. * So, don't ask if it hurts - look at their face!
> >http://www.painxchange.com.au/images...ainScale-R.png
>
> Um, it's a combination of assessments.It's up to the nurse or
> whoever's doing the assessment. If a person is A&Ox4 (Alert and
> oriented to person, place, time and situation) *and able to
> communicater verbally you can ask them to rate/describe their pain. Of
> course they can deceive you if they choose too. If a person says they
> are in no pain but they are obviously stressed, whinging and screwing
> up their face in "pain" then the nurse shoul use their best judgement
> to report their pain.
>
> Of course in the U.S. a patient also always has the right top refuse
> any meds, unless compelled to take them by a judge like in a violent
> psychosis case.
>
> John Kuthe...

All that knowledge you'll never be able to use.

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:23:52 -0700 (PDT), pamjd >
wrote:

>On Apr 13, 1:42*am, sf > wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>>
>> > wrote:
>> > I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit. Unless
>> > you're his next of kin, let it go.
>>
>> It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. *If he's driving and
>> has the baby with him, it would put her in danger when he has another
>> one.
>>
>> --
>> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
>It really is not your business. You are worried about something that
>might happen. If we interfered with others because something might
>happen everyone would be reporting everyone! If you get involved,
>( make calls for him, stick your nose in at all,) in all probablilty
>you will lose a friend evenually. If you think he is dangerous call
>the cops otherwize stay out of it and be there for him if he melts
>down hard. You don't now the whole story so you can't know what is
>already being done. He went tothe ER so he is in the system, ya just
>got to let the system play out.

What's described sounds much more like an anger management issue than
a "panic attack"... saying "panic attack" is just nicer sounding than
saying someone is behaving like a miserable selfish out of control
violent *******. Calling a violent physical outburst a "panic attack"
in no way dismisses inappropriate behaviour. I agree, it's best to
stay far, far away from these criminal sorts... and make no mistake
about it, throwing stuff is a crime, it's called an assault. True
panic attacks do not manifest themselves in violent outbursts such as
throwing stuff, in fact symtoms are just the opposite,
hyperventilating and withdrawal/depression.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_attack

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:56:07 -0700 (PDT), BillyZoom
> wrote:
....

Is it raining where you are? :-)

John Kuthe...

sf > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:23:52 -0700 (PDT), pamjd >
> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 13, 1:42*am, sf > wrote:
>> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>> >
>> > > wrote:
>> > > I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit.
>> > > Unless you're his next of kin, let it go.
>> >
>> > It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. *If he's driving
>> > and has the baby with him, it would put her in danger when he has
>> > another one.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>>
>> It really is not your business. You are worried about something that
>> might happen. If we interfered with others because something might
>> happen everyone would be reporting everyone! If you get involved,
>> ( make calls for him, stick your nose in at all,) in all probablilty
>> you will lose a friend evenually. If you think he is dangerous call
>> the cops otherwize stay out of it and be there for him if he melts
>> down hard. You don't now the whole story so you can't know what is
>> already being done. He went tothe ER so he is in the system, ya just
>> got to let the system play out.
>
> I think the attitude of ignoring mental illness is horrible. Stick
> your head in the sand and ignore the obvious, but I'm not going to do
> that.
>



Good for you!!

'pamjd' seems to have the quintessential American attitude of stepping over
someone in the street that has fallen down with a heart attack, or averting
the eyes so that they can't see if someone is being attacked..... if they
can't see it, it doesn't exist, and they don't have to do anything.



--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

sf > wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:23:52 -0700 (PDT), pamjd >
>wrote:

-snip-
>> down hard. You don't now the whole story so you can't know what is
>> already being done. He went tothe ER so he is in the system, ya just
>> got to let the system play out.
>
>I think the attitude of ignoring mental illness is horrible. Stick
>your head in the sand and ignore the obvious, but I'm not going to do
>that.

I'm with pamjd, sort of. I'm not saying ignore it. i will say that
asking for mental health advice on any newsgroup, and especially this
one, is a fool's errand at best.

If you care about the person, talk to *them*. If they say butt
out-- then respect them.

Jim

On Apr 12, 11:42*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>
> > wrote:
> > I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit. Unless
> > you're his next of kin, let it go.
>
> It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. *If he's driving and
> has the baby with him, it would put her in danger when he has another
> one.

If it was not the first time, then why did you say you were surprised?
And why did you say it was out of character for him? Logically you
would have said, "my friend had *another* panic attack," "they're
really starting to worry me," etc.

On Apr 13, 6:11*am, sf > wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:23:52 -0700 (PDT), pamjd >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 1:42*am, sf > wrote:
> > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit. Unless
> > > > you're his next of kin, let it go.
>
> > > It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. *If he's driving and
> > > has the baby with him, it would put her in danger when he has another
> > > one.
>
> > > --
> > > Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> > It really is not your business. You are worried about something that
> > might happen. * If we interfered with others because something might
> > happen everyone would be reporting everyone! * If you get involved,
> > ( make calls for him, stick your nose in at all,) in all probablilty
> > you will lose a friend evenually. If you think he is dangerous call
> > the cops otherwize stay out of it and be there for him if he melts
> > down hard. *You don't now the whole story so you can't know what is
> > already being done. He went tothe ER so he is in the system, *ya just
> > got to let the system play out.
>
> I think the attitude of ignoring mental illness is horrible. *Stick
> your head in the sand and ignore the obvious, but I'm not going to do
> that.

As Bryan revealed, one panic attack is not mental illness. Your friend
did not ignore his illness; he went to the emergency room. You are not
responsible for this person's life or health; you are just being an
officious intermeddler.

On Apr 13, 9:10*am, "I'm back on the laptop" >
wrote:
> sf > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:23:52 -0700 (PDT), pamjd >
> > wrote:
>
> >> On Apr 13, 1:42*am, sf > wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit.
> >> > > Unless you're his next of kin, let it go.
>
> >> > It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. *If he's driving
> >> > and has the baby with him, it would put her in danger when he has
> >> > another one.
>
> >> > --
> >> > Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> >> It really is not your business. You are worried about something that
> >> might happen. * If we interfered with others because something might
> >> happen everyone would be reporting everyone! * If you get involved,
> >> ( make calls for him, stick your nose in at all,) in all probablilty
> >> you will lose a friend evenually. If you think he is dangerous call
> >> the cops otherwize stay out of it and be there for him if he melts
> >> down hard. *You don't now the whole story so you can't know what is
> >> already being done. He went tothe ER so he is in the system, *ya just
> >> got to let the system play out.
>
> > I think the attitude of ignoring mental illness is horrible. *Stick
> > your head in the sand and ignore the obvious, but I'm not going to do
> > that.
>
> Good for you!!
>
> 'pamjd' seems to have the quintessential American attitude of stepping over
> someone in the street that has fallen down with a heart attack, or averting
> the eyes so that they can't see if someone is being attacked..... if they
> can't see it, it doesn't exist, and they don't have to do anything.
>

Except in this case, the person who has fallen down was whisked to the
hospital, treated, and released. (I'm impressed really. Generally only
Brokelyn can achieve such spectacular levels of being wrong.) SF has
the typical busybody attitude that justifies telling other citizens
how to live their life.

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:58:13 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote:

> i will say that
> asking for mental health advice on any newsgroup, and especially this
> one, is a fool's errand at best.

I asked how to know when someone is building up to a panic attack and
so far nobody has a clue.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 13/04/2012 1:58 PM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:23:52 -0700 (PDT), >
>> wrote:
>
> -snip-
>>> down hard. You don't now the whole story so you can't know what is
>>> already being done. He went tothe ER so he is in the system, ya just
>>> got to let the system play out.
>>
>> I think the attitude of ignoring mental illness is horrible. Stick
>> your head in the sand and ignore the obvious, but I'm not going to do
>> that.
>
> I'm with pamjd, sort of. I'm not saying ignore it. i will say that
> asking for mental health advice on any newsgroup, and especially this
> one, is a fool's errand at best.
>
> If you care about the person, talk to *them*. If they say butt
> out-- then respect them.
>


Let's face it.... it the guy had a panic attack he should be getting
some psychological or psychiatric help. Normal people sometimes panic,
but they don't have panic attacks.

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:12:32 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> wrote:

> On Apr 12, 11:42*pm, sf > wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit. Unless
> > > you're his next of kin, let it go.
> >
> > It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. *If he's driving and
> > has the baby with him, it would put her in danger when he has another
> > one.
>
> If it was not the first time, then why did you say you were surprised?
> And why did you say it was out of character for him? Logically you
> would have said, "my friend had *another* panic attack," "they're
> really starting to worry me," etc.

Why would I say "another" if I didn't know it had happened before? I
didn't find that part out until after I wrote the OP asking about
warning signs. This person had hidden the fact that he had panic
attacks until he was forced to admit it. He'd been acting weird but I
couldn't put my finger on what the problem was. I knew something
wasn't right, but I didn't know what was wrong until he was released
from the hospital.

His mother was in the hospital a few weeks ago because, among other
things, she went temporarily blind. She had lots of testing while
she was in there, including CAT and MRI, but they found nothing
physically wrong with her. I'm thinking now that it was her form of a
panic attack.

I'm shocked that no one here can tell me if there are any warning
signs and what to look for. Never mind. I've educated myself now.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

In article <28136dfb-7f80-46f5-805c-e5f6920422d3
@v17g2000pbt.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
> On Apr 12, 3:27*pm, sf > wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:33:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > "sf" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> >
> > > > How do you know when someone is building up to a panic attack? * I
> > > > know a person who just came back from the hospital after having a
> > > > panic attack. *He was doing odd things on Sunday, but we attributed it
> > > > to something else... so (to all the medical personal out there) what
> > > > do I look for? *I don't want to be surprised like this again.
> >
> > > > thx
> >
> > > Everyone is different. *They might start acting panicky, hyperventilate,
> > > pass out, think they're having a heart attack, etc. *What sort of odd things
> > > was he doing?
> >
> > It was basically using poor judgment and was acting out of character.
> >
>
> I agree with the "hyperventilating/think they're having a heart
> attack" signs and symptoms of a panic attack. Poor judgment/out of
> character sounds like a neurological problem.

It would also be typical of several mental illnesses.

Re panic attacks; he's the best person to ask how they affect him and
what you could do to help. Talking about it openly in a matter of fact way
may be a relief to him.

Janet

In article >,
says...

>
> I asked how to know when someone is building up to a panic attack and
> so far nobody has a clue.

You got the answer; how panic attacks manifest themselves varies hugely
from person to person. But someone who has had several and been correctly
diagnosed, will themselves recognise what's happening to them.

So, the person to ask about his panic attacks, is your friend. Just
like if you heard he had angina, or gall stones, you would openly ask how
he's doing, discuss the recent event, and ask what you can do to help if
it happens again.

Janet

On Apr 13, 12:24*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:23:52 -0700 (PDT), pamjd wrote:
> > It really is not your business. You are worried about something that
> > might happen. * If we interfered with others because something might
> > happen everyone would be reporting everyone! * If you get involved,
> > ( make calls for him, stick your nose in at all,) in all probablilty
> > you will lose a friend evenually. If you think he is dangerous call
> > the cops otherwize stay out of it and be there for him if he melts
> > down hard. *You don't now the whole story so you can't know what is
> > already being done. He went tothe ER so he is in the system, *ya just
> > got to let the system play out.
>
> I don't see her posts, but from what I've seen quoted, I think it's
> her son. *Not that I still don't disagree with your post.
>
> -sw (avoiding the word guess)

OK I can see her concern if it's her son. If he's single, I can see
why his mom is stepping in. But it doesn't sound like a panic attack
to me, so I don't know how we can tell her the early warning symptoms.
An attack is by definition sudden.

But stress can precipitate a panic attack. Perhaps she was bugging him
right before it started.

On Apr 13, 1:14*pm, Janet > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>
>
> > I asked how to know when someone is building up to a panic attack and
> > so far nobody has a clue.
>
> * *You got the answer; how panic attacks manifest themselves varies hugely
> from person to person. But someone who has had several and been correctly
> diagnosed, will themselves recognise what's happening to them.
>
> * *So, the person to ask about his panic attacks, is your friend. *Just
> like if you heard he had angina, or gall stones, you would openly ask how
> he's doing, discuss the *recent event, and ask what *you can do to help if
> it happens again.
>

This sudden dose of sensibility on r.f.c. is making me woozy. Brava
Janet.

spamtrap1888 > wrote in
:

> On Apr 13, 9:10*am, "I'm back on the laptop" >
> wrote:
>> sf > wrote
>> innews:7d9go7pgek9kshlgq73ehe5co9dotjj7lh@4ax
> .com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:23:52 -0700 (PDT), pamjd
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> >> On Apr 13, 1:42*am, sf > wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit.
>> >> > > Unless you're his next of kin, let it go.
>>
>> >> > It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. *If he's
>> >> > driving and has the baby with him, it would put her in danger
>> >> > when he has another one.
>>
>> >> > --
>> >> > Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>>
>> >> It really is not your business. You are worried about something
>> >> that might happen. * If we interfered with others because
>> >> something might happen everyone would be reporting everyone! * If
>> >> you get involved, ( make calls for him, stick your nose in at
>> >> all,) in all probablilty you will lose a friend evenually. If you
>> >> think he is dangerous call the cops otherwize stay out of it and
>> >> be there for him if he melts down hard. *You don't now the whole
>> >> story so you can't know what is already being done. He went tothe
>> >> ER so he is in the system, *ya jus
> t
>> >> got to let the system play out.
>>
>> > I think the attitude of ignoring mental illness is horrible. *Stick
>> > your head in the sand and ignore the obvious, but I'm not going to
>> > do that.
>>
>> Good for you!!
>>
>> 'pamjd' seems to have the quintessential American attitude of
>> stepping ov
> er
>> someone in the street that has fallen down with a heart attack, or
>> averti
> ng
>> the eyes so that they can't see if someone is being attacked..... if
>> they can't see it, it doesn't exist, and they don't have to do
>> anything.
>>
>
> Except in this case, the person who has fallen down was whisked to the
> hospital, treated, and released.



That's how you like to *think* things would go, but in
99.99999999999999% of Americans, they would either step over, or move
around someone who has fallen down in front of them. Then walk off while
dialling 911, so that they can then tell everyone they saved someones
life. Your country is known for it's lack of caring/compassion for its
fellow man, worldwide.



> (I'm impressed really. Generally only
> Brokelyn can achieve such spectacular levels of being wrong.)



Once again, you only think that to justify and throw off from what (deep
down) you know is true.



> SF has
> the typical busybody attitude that justifies telling other citizens
> how to live their life.
>


*Or*, she actually gives a shit about people......... a trait, from your
comments, you seem to be lacking.



--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:07:05 +0000 (UTC), "I'm back on the laptop"
> wrote:

> That's how you like to *think* things would go, but in
> 99.99999999999999% of Americans, they would either step over, or move
> around someone who has fallen down in front of them. Then walk off while
> dialling 911, so that they can then tell everyone they saved someones
> life. Your country is known for it's lack of caring/compassion for its
> fellow man, worldwide.

It due to ambulance chasing lawyers. This is a highly litigious
society - so if you stop to help, you're opening yourself up to a
potential lawsuit. People don't mind helping a stranger, but it takes
a lot of time and money to fight off a frivolous lawsuit.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:07:05 +0000 (UTC), "I'm back on the laptop"
> > wrote:
>
>> That's how you like to *think* things would go, but in
>> 99.99999999999999% of Americans, they would either step over, or move
>> around someone who has fallen down in front of them. Then walk off
>> while dialling 911, so that they can then tell everyone they saved
>> someones life. Your country is known for it's lack of
>> caring/compassion for its fellow man, worldwide.
>
> It due to ambulance chasing lawyers. This is a highly litigious
> society - so if you stop to help, you're opening yourself up to a
> potential lawsuit. People don't mind helping a stranger, but it takes
> a lot of time and money to fight off a frivolous lawsuit.
>


We don't have that here...... yet (and I hope we never do)..... although we
have seen smatterings of it.

99.99% of Aussies will jump into any sort of situation and help someone
...... and no 'good samaritan' has ever been prosecuted for trying to help.

The 'frivolous' lawsuits we see are the dicks who get themselves in a spot,
get injured, then try to sue everyone for their (basically) self inflicted
injuries. They soon get laughed out of court.... and the prevelance of that
sort of thing has died right off.



--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

pamjd wrote:
> On Apr 13, 1:42 am, sf > wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>>
>> > wrote:
>>> I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit.
>>> Unless you're his next of kin, let it go.
>>
>> It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. If he's driving and
>> has the baby with him, it would put her in danger when he has another
>> one.
>>
>> --
>> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> It really is not your business. You are worried about something that
> might happen. If we interfered with others because something might
> happen everyone would be reporting everyone! If you get involved,
> ( make calls for him, stick your nose in at all,) in all probablilty
> you will lose a friend evenually. If you think he is dangerous call
> the cops otherwize stay out of it and be there for him if he melts
> down hard. You don't now the whole story so you can't know what is
> already being done. He went tothe ER so he is in the system, ya just
> got to let the system play out.

She didn't say who it is. Might be her son. Or her brother.