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> > How is pro choice right wing? How is pro science right wing? How is anti > superstition (religion) right wing? > > Sorry, just because I am anti socialism doesn't make me right wing, nor > does pointing out the lies of the anti bottled water crowd. I am Pro Choice, Pro Science, Anti Religion and Pro Socialism. Capitalism is dying just like Usenet is, August 2 may prove this because both sides have their binding religious commitments. As for the Bottled Water, I have my own RO system, those capitalist have polluted the public waters to no end. One must protect ourselves from the evil corporations :) -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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Nad R wrote: > > "Pete C." > wrote: > > > > How is pro choice right wing? How is pro science right wing? How is anti > > superstition (religion) right wing? > > > > Sorry, just because I am anti socialism doesn't make me right wing, nor > > does pointing out the lies of the anti bottled water crowd. > > I am Pro Choice, Pro Science, Anti Religion and Pro Socialism. > Capitalism is dying just like Usenet is, August 2 may prove this because > both sides have their binding religious commitments. > > As for the Bottled Water, I have my own RO system, those capitalist have > polluted the public waters to no end. One must protect ourselves from the > evil corporations :) > > -- > Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) Socialism has been proven to be a failure essentially everywhere it has been tried. Those socialist countries in the EU like to blame the US for their economic collapse, but clearly their socialist economies collapsed because they were nearly entirely dependent on our capitalist economy. |
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"Pete C." > wrote:
> Nad R wrote: >> >> "Pete C." > wrote: >>> >>> How is pro choice right wing? How is pro science right wing? How is anti >>> superstition (religion) right wing? >>> >>> Sorry, just because I am anti socialism doesn't make me right wing, nor >>> does pointing out the lies of the anti bottled water crowd. >> >> I am Pro Choice, Pro Science, Anti Religion and Pro Socialism. >> Capitalism is dying just like Usenet is, August 2 may prove this because >> both sides have their binding religious commitments. >> >> As for the Bottled Water, I have my own RO system, those capitalist have >> polluted the public waters to no end. One must protect ourselves from the >> evil corporations :) >> >> -- >> Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) > > Socialism has been proven to be a failure essentially everywhere it has > been tried. Those socialist countries in the EU like to blame the US for > their economic collapse, but clearly their socialist economies collapsed > because they were nearly entirely dependent on our capitalist economy. It will be the US's fault for messing up worlds currency. Last depression the US was the banker, the current depression Communist China is the banker. This time the US is going to fall BIG time. Those socialist nations will recover faster than the US. Germany and England are not that bad off. The only thing the US is good at is exporting DEATH, military weapons are the top exports, guns, guns, guns is about our only export... Nothing to be proud of! The religious right has destroyed the US. Low taxes and free trade has destroyed the nation. The rich are keeping the money, they are not spending or creating new jobs in the US. Tax the crap out of the Rich and they will spend the money or loose it! Capitalism is dying because so few has so much. Without redistribution of wealth the economy will not survive. I do believe the worlds currencies are going to collapse because of free trade. That is one reason I have such a large garden and have my own farm animals and learning to cook from the basic food items. I made my own fake, sugar syrup yesterday. It was better than anything in the stores. I did not need the Web, after reading it was in Mark Bittmans "How to Cook Everything" App. So was ice cream topping syrups as well as sugar syrups. Will make my own Hot fudge and Butterscotch syrups Tomorrow. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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Nadir wrote:
> It will be the US's fault for messing up worlds currency. Last depression > the US was the banker, the current depression Communist China is the > banker. This time the US is going to fall BIG time. Those socialist > nations will recover faster than the US. Germany and England are not that > bad off. The only thing the US is good at is exporting DEATH, military > weapons are the top exports, guns, guns, guns is about our only export... > Nothing to be proud of! > > The religious right has destroyed the US. Low taxes and free trade has > destroyed the nation. The rich are keeping the money, they are not > spending or creating new jobs in the US. Tax the crap out of the Rich and > they will spend the money or loose it! > > Capitalism is dying because so few has so much. Without redistribution of > wealth the economy will not survive. I do believe the worlds currencies > are going to collapse because of free trade. That is one reason I have > such a large garden and have my own farm animals and learning to cook from > the basic food items. See what happens when we don't have surveys? If only Nadir had a TFH to wear... Bob |
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"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
> Nadir wrote: > >> It will be the US's fault for messing up worlds currency. Last depression >> the US was the banker, the current depression Communist China is the >> banker. This time the US is going to fall BIG time. Those socialist >> nations will recover faster than the US. Germany and England are not that >> bad off. The only thing the US is good at is exporting DEATH, military >> weapons are the top exports, guns, guns, guns is about our only export... >> Nothing to be proud of! >> >> The religious right has destroyed the US. Low taxes and free trade has >> destroyed the nation. The rich are keeping the money, they are not >> spending or creating new jobs in the US. Tax the crap out of the Rich and >> they will spend the money or loose it! >> >> Capitalism is dying because so few has so much. Without redistribution of >> wealth the economy will not survive. I do believe the worlds currencies >> are going to collapse because of free trade. That is one reason I have >> such a large garden and have my own farm animals and learning to cook from >> the basic food items. > > > See what happens when we don't have surveys? If only Nadir had a TFH to > wear... "Thanks For Helping"... no problem... Your Welcome :) "Unemployment is capitalism's way of getting you to plant a garden" by Orson Scott Card -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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On Jul 17, 6:38*am, Nad R > wrote:
> "Unemployment is capitalism's way of getting you to plant a garden" > by Orson Scott Card Actually, unemployment is capitalism's way of getting you to become a communist. The above quote makes sense but is lacking in reality because there are plenty of people in plenty of areas that are so devastated by poverty and the crime that comes with it that building a garden would only give a bunch of trouble makers something to run through. That is a nice quote though. I also liked the old quote from Lenin or one of those guys back when that said, "Capitalism will hang itself and we will sell them the rope." I think the sale has already taken place. TJ |
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Tommy Joe > wrote:
> On Jul 17, 6:38 am, Nad R > wrote: > >> "Unemployment is capitalism's way of getting you to plant a garden" >> by Orson Scott Card > > > Actually, unemployment is capitalism's way of getting you to > become a communist. The above quote makes sense but is lacking in > reality because there are plenty of people in plenty of areas that are > so devastated by poverty and the crime that comes with it that > building a garden would only give a bunch of trouble makers something > to run through. That is a nice quote though. I also liked the old > quote from Lenin or one of those guys back when that said, "Capitalism > will hang itself and we will sell them the rope." I think the sale > has already taken place. > > TJ China owns the rope. I live in the the boondocks. The odd part is that there is a high speed Internet fiber optics line and a Comcast line down the dirt road which I live. The line Connecting the nearest city seven miles from me with a public school ten miles away in the other direction. So far the worst thing that has happened in the twelves years I have lived here is that someone drunk ran over my mail box. That here makes front page news. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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Nad R wrote: > > "Pete C." > wrote: > > Nad R wrote: > >> > >> "Pete C." > wrote: > >>> > >>> How is pro choice right wing? How is pro science right wing? How is anti > >>> superstition (religion) right wing? > >>> > >>> Sorry, just because I am anti socialism doesn't make me right wing, nor > >>> does pointing out the lies of the anti bottled water crowd. > >> > >> I am Pro Choice, Pro Science, Anti Religion and Pro Socialism. > >> Capitalism is dying just like Usenet is, August 2 may prove this because > >> both sides have their binding religious commitments. > >> > >> As for the Bottled Water, I have my own RO system, those capitalist have > >> polluted the public waters to no end. One must protect ourselves from the > >> evil corporations :) > >> > >> -- > >> Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) > > > > Socialism has been proven to be a failure essentially everywhere it has > > been tried. Those socialist countries in the EU like to blame the US for > > their economic collapse, but clearly their socialist economies collapsed > > because they were nearly entirely dependent on our capitalist economy. > > It will be the US's fault for messing up worlds currency. Last depression > the US was the banker, the current depression Communist China is the > banker. This time the US is going to fall BIG time. Those socialist nations > will recover faster than the US. Germany and England are not that bad off. This is simply a load of crap. Those socialist nations are failing because they have been borrowing more to buy votes from the poor and ignorant than their feeble economies have been producing. They have been living beyond their means and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the US. Most of those countries have also allowed themselves to be over run by the third world, which has only increased the imbalance between the remaining productive populace and the non productive welfare populace. Why do you think so many of the productive people from those countries have been abandoning them and moving to the US? The only things this can lead to of course are an economic collapse dragging them down to third world status, or a slide into communism holding the remaining productive populace hostage and forcing everyone into slavery for a period until that too collapses. > The only thing the US is good at is exporting DEATH, military weapons are > the top exports, guns, guns, guns is about our only export... Nothing to be > proud of! The US has been essentially the only one defending the civilized world. We have spent far far more than any other country to fight the enemies of civilization and not only do we not get thanked for that, we get derided for that by ignorant folks who fail to recognize the real threats in the world. So not only does the US spend billions in foreign aid to directly prop up many socialist countries that would otherwise fail, we also spend billions protecting those same ignorant countries from external threats. > > The religious right has destroyed the US. They are certainly a threat to the US, just as the loony left is. Those two wings only amount to 15-20% or the population each, but they have been allowed to overrun both political parties in what for all practical purposes is a two party system. This leads some to falsely conclude that the US populace is very polarized when that is simply not true. The bulk of the populace (60-70%) is still very much in the center, however they are faced with the choice of only two candidates to vote for, neither of which remotely matches their views. They are forced to vote for who they hate the least since there are no candidates that represent the majority view. Obama is probably the least polar candidate in years, being only perhaps halfway to the left from center. > Low taxes and free trade has > destroyed the nation. Not at all true. High taxes *never* create productive jobs, the only create non productive bureaucratic jobs for the political elite and more vote buying for their party through welfare bribes to the non productive populace. The government has just spent trillions on "stimulus" and it has not created a single permanent job for the general population. Free trade is another issue, and the fact is we do not actually have free trade. While we freely allow other countries to sell their products here, we are not able to freely sell our products in many other countries. "Free trade" is not juts something that the right wants, the left pushes free trade as well in their misguided belief that they can somehow help pull the third world out of poverty by purchasing low priced goods produced by ultra low wage near slave workers in those third world countries. > The rich are keeping the money, they are not spending > or creating new jobs in the US. This is again not true. The rich are indeed investing and creating jobs where they can in the US, however their ability to do so is greatly hampered by an absurd amount of regulation in many areas that makes it all but impossible to operate sustainable businesses. The "record profits" that businesses get attacked for are critical to a businesses ability to weather bad times. Those who claim that businesses should be taxed so that they can not build such reserves, have zero business experience and would totally fail at running even the simplest business. > Tax the crap out of the Rich and they will > spend the money or loose it! Another fantasy. If you tax them, they will not have that extra money to spend and can thus not help the economy as either a consumer or as a job creator. Where will those taxes go? To the political elite of course as we have seen clearly with the "stimulus" that the government is simply not capable of creating long term private sector jobs. > > Capitalism is dying because so few has so much. What has happened in reality is that the misguided left and vote buying politicians have created a system where they have propped up the poorest on the backs of the middle class. The rich haven't actually become that much richer when you adjust for all the inflation and other factors, what has happened is that the lefts push for socialism has disproportionately affected the middle class since they have not been able to adequately defend themselves. This has pushed more and more of the middle class into poverty, while the rich have been better able to protect themselves and have remained about the same. > Without redistribution of > wealth the economy will not survive. This is true, however taking wealth from the rich will only push more of the middle class into poverty. The only way to fix the problem is to take "entitlements" from the poor and give the money back to the middle class where it came from. The poor are not entitled to free food, housing, health care, etc., they are entitled to compete and work and better themselves. Fix the public schools that have become little more than leftist brainwashing centers and perhaps those poor will be able to get the education needed to better themselves and their position in life. "Entitlement" handouts do not in any way benefit society. > I do believe the worlds currencies are > going to collapse because of free trade. They aren't going to collapse, but there will be great instability for quite some time. China which has had tremendous growth due to the historically slave level wages of communism has shifted very much to capitalism and as a result wages there have been rapidly increasing. This means that China is no longer a cheap place to export jobs to and thus there will be more shifting and China will become more of a consumer of foreign imports rather than sweatshop to the world. Again, it's a case of capitalism pulling people out of poverty, something that socialism and communism have never done. > That is one reason I have such a > large garden and have my own farm animals and learning to cook from the > basic food items. I'm with you on this one. With the growing instability in the world, it is a very good idea to make yourself as self reliant and self sufficient as possible. By doing so you help to decouple yourself from that instability so that you are less affected by it. I'm very much working that way myself. > > I made my own fake, sugar syrup yesterday. It was better than anything in > the stores. I did not need the Web, after reading it was in Mark Bittmans > "How to Cook Everything" App. So was ice cream topping syrups as well as > sugar syrups. Will make my own Hot fudge and Butterscotch syrups Tomorrow. That type of thing isn't high on my priority list, my focus will be on vegetables and a bit on meat and perhaps fish. For now and for the near future at least, it is a far better use of my time and resources to simply buy a big bag of sugar or flour than to try to produce those or similar items on my own. |
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On 7/17/2011 11:29 AM, Pete C. wrote:
> High taxes*never* create productive jobs, the only create non > productive bureaucratic jobs for the political elite and more vote > buying for their party through welfare bribes to the non productive > populace. The government has just spent trillions on "stimulus" and it > has not created a single permanent job for the general population. 1) Up until 2000, we had a surplus 2) the Bush Tax Cuts benefited the wealthy. The theory was that the more money that the wealthy and businesses keep, the more they will be able to invest... creating millions of new jobs. 3) A few years after the Bush cuts came into effect, where were all the new jobs that the tax cuts were supposed to create? I know... they took the money and expanded their businesses into China, Mexico, the Philippines, India. So now we have people saying that we can't do away with the tax cuts for the rich because they need that money to create new jobs. THEY HAVE HAD THIS MONEY FOR 8 YEARS... where are the jobs? 4) Most of the stimulus money to bail out banks, etc has been repaid.... including the aid to the auto companies saving tens of thousands of jobs. George L |
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On Jul 17, 3:15*pm, George Leppla > wrote:
> On 7/17/2011 11:29 AM, Pete C. wrote: > > > High taxes*never* *create productive jobs, the only create non > > productive bureaucratic jobs for the political elite and more vote > > buying for their party through welfare bribes to the non productive > > populace. The government has just spent trillions on "stimulus" and it > > has not created a single permanent job for the general population. > > 1) *Up until 2000, we had a surplus > > 2) the Bush Tax Cuts benefited the wealthy. *The theory was that the > more money that the wealthy and businesses keep, the more they will be > able to invest... creating millions of new jobs. > > 3) A few years after the Bush cuts came into effect, where were all the > new jobs that the tax cuts were supposed to create? *I know... they took > the money and expanded their businesses into China, Mexico, the > Philippines, India. > > So now we have people saying that we can't do away with the tax cuts for > the rich because they need that money to create new jobs. *THEY HAVE HAD > THIS MONEY FOR 8 YEARS... where are the *jobs? "They" never said WHERE those new jobs would be created, now did "they"! Ask WalFAIL!! John Kuthe... |
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George Leppla > wrote:
> On 7/17/2011 11:29 AM, Pete C. wrote: >> High taxes*never* create productive jobs, the only create non >> productive bureaucratic jobs for the political elite and more vote >> buying for their party through welfare bribes to the non productive >> populace. The government has just spent trillions on "stimulus" and it >> has not created a single permanent job for the general population. > > 1) Up until 2000, we had a surplus > > 2) the Bush Tax Cuts benefited the wealthy. The theory was that the more > money that the wealthy and businesses keep, the more they will be able to > invest... creating millions of new jobs. > > 3) A few years after the Bush cuts came into effect, where were all the > new jobs that the tax cuts were supposed to create? I know... they took > the money and expanded their businesses into China, Mexico, the Philippines, India. > > So now we have people saying that we can't do away with the tax cuts for > the rich because they need that money to create new jobs. THEY HAVE HAD > THIS MONEY FOR 8 YEARS... where are the jobs? > > 4) Most of the stimulus money to bail out banks, etc has been repaid.... > including the aid to the auto companies saving tens of thousands of jobs. > > George L Correct! -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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On Jul 17, 9:10*am, Nad R > wrote:
> I live in the the boondocks. The odd part is that there is a high speed > Internet fiber optics line and a Comcast line down the dirt road which I > live. The line Connecting the nearest city seven miles from me with a > public school ten miles away in the other direction. > > So far the worst thing that has happened in the twelves years I have lived > here is that someone drunk ran over my mail box. That here makes front page > news. Well, certainly your place does not represent the norm, even if it should. Good for you. But let's not forget, headlines change. Today's suburb is tomorrow's slum. I drive a cab. One night I took a guy home from a bar. He lived way out in the country. On the way down he was pointing out signs of development. He didn't sound angry, just sort of disheartened by the invasions. As we drove along he'd point out spots and say something like, "You see that big store there", pausing a moment in whistful memory, "that used to be nothing but clear and open field." I said, "So you mean there's a lot of people moving in?", to which he said yes, and to which I said, "Oh, so you're the guy who started it all, is that it?" I said it in a light way. He recognized the truth in my sarcasm, I'll give him that. TJ |
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George Leppla wrote: > > On 7/17/2011 11:29 AM, Pete C. wrote: > > High taxes*never* create productive jobs, the only create non > > productive bureaucratic jobs for the political elite and more vote > > buying for their party through welfare bribes to the non productive > > populace. The government has just spent trillions on "stimulus" and it > > has not created a single permanent job for the general population. > > 1) Up until 2000, we had a surplus Up until 2000 we had a bubble, substantial computer hardware purchases and temporary employment due exclusively to Y2K remediation led people who were not paying attention to believe that the new Internet age was going to provide unlimited growth. Being in IT myself I clearly saw the problem since I managed an environment that included big groups of systems dedicated to Y2K efforts and I dealt with a great many programmers who were hired solely for Y2K efforts. After Y2K those programmers no longer had jobs, and I was busy tearing down the systems that were used for Y2K prep which were then sold on the used market. The end result was a huge drop in tech employment and virtually no computer hardware sales for 3 years for desktops and 5 years for servers. The blame for the bubble lies with the Clinton administration not warning of the building bubble which should have been pretty obvious to any qualified analysts, but such a warning wouldn't have benefited the democrats. > > 2) the Bush Tax Cuts benefited the wealthy. The theory was that the > more money that the wealthy and businesses keep, the more they will be > able to invest... creating millions of new jobs. The theory was largely correct. > > 3) A few years after the Bush cuts came into effect, where were all the > new jobs that the tax cuts were supposed to create? An economy has a lot of mass, it can fall quite rapidly, but it takes a good deal of time to lift it to any height. > I know... they took > the money and expanded their businesses into China, Mexico, the > Philippines, India. Yep, there was some of that as well, but that wasn't a result of tax cuts on the wealthy, it would have happened no matter what due to other market forces. > > So now we have people saying that we can't do away with the tax cuts for > the rich because they need that money to create new jobs. THEY HAVE HAD > THIS MONEY FOR 8 YEARS... where are the jobs? There were plenty of jobs built up after the Y2K bubble, but they were killed by the left's next big gift to society, pushing banks to give mortgages to those who could not afford them. Certainly banks took that way to far after they figured out how to resell bad debt, but the underpinnings of the housing bubble came from the left. When that burst we again saw a big recession. > > 4) Most of the stimulus money to bail out banks, etc has been repaid.... > including the aid to the auto companies saving tens of thousands of jobs. Outside the auto industry, it does not appear that the stimulus saved much of anything. It's good that it's largely been repaid, but it's bad that it had little effect. |
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Nad R wrote: > > George Leppla > wrote: > > On 7/17/2011 11:29 AM, Pete C. wrote: > >> High taxes*never* create productive jobs, the only create non > >> productive bureaucratic jobs for the political elite and more vote > >> buying for their party through welfare bribes to the non productive > >> populace. The government has just spent trillions on "stimulus" and it > >> has not created a single permanent job for the general population. > > > > 1) Up until 2000, we had a surplus > > > > 2) the Bush Tax Cuts benefited the wealthy. The theory was that the more > > money that the wealthy and businesses keep, the more they will be able to > > invest... creating millions of new jobs. > > > > 3) A few years after the Bush cuts came into effect, where were all the > > new jobs that the tax cuts were supposed to create? I know... they took > > the money and expanded their businesses into China, Mexico, the Philippines, India. > > > > So now we have people saying that we can't do away with the tax cuts for > > the rich because they need that money to create new jobs. THEY HAVE HAD > > THIS MONEY FOR 8 YEARS... where are the jobs? > > > > 4) Most of the stimulus money to bail out banks, etc has been repaid.... > > including the aid to the auto companies saving tens of thousands of jobs. > > > > George L > > Correct! Nope. |
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On Jul 17, 1:15*pm, George Leppla > wrote:
> On 7/17/2011 11:29 AM, Pete C. wrote: > > > High taxes*never* *create productive jobs, the only create non > > productive bureaucratic jobs for the political elite and more vote > > buying for their party through welfare bribes to the non productive > > populace. The government has just spent trillions on "stimulus" and it > > has not created a single permanent job for the general population. > > 1) *Up until 2000, we had a surplus > > 2) the Bush Tax Cuts benefited the wealthy. *The theory was that the > more money that the wealthy and businesses keep, the more they will be > able to invest... creating millions of new jobs. > > 3) A few years after the Bush cuts came into effect, where were all the > new jobs that the tax cuts were supposed to create? *I know... they took > the money and expanded their businesses into China, Mexico, the > Philippines, India. > > So now we have people saying that we can't do away with the tax cuts for > the rich because they need that money to create new jobs. *THEY HAVE HAD > THIS MONEY FOR 8 YEARS... where are the *jobs? > > 4) Most of the stimulus money to bail out banks, etc has been repaid.... > including the aid to the auto companies saving tens of thousands of jobs. > > George L Thank you, Voice of Common Sense. Republicans want to make the US a third-world country, with a very few rich, a great many poor, and a vanishing middle class. Manufacturing jobs that gave people without education a livelihood have all been moved to China. The rich get richer. Jobs that provided dignity to the slightly educated are either being moved out or broken down. The people who have really taken it in the shorts have formed the Tea Party, in the hopes that those who have actively harmed them will be pleased by their bootlicking. |
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On Jul 17, 7:37*am, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> On Jul 17, 6:38*am, Nad R > wrote: > > > "Unemployment is capitalism's way of getting you to plant a garden" > > by Orson Scott Card > > * * * Actually, unemployment is capitalism's way of getting you to > become a communist. *The above quote makes sense but is lacking in > reality because there are plenty of people in plenty of areas that are > so devastated by poverty and the crime that comes with it that > building a garden would only give a bunch of trouble makers something > to run through. *That is a nice quote though. *I also liked the old > quote from Lenin or one of those guys back when that said, "Capitalism > will hang itself and we will sell them the rope." *I think the sale > has already taken place. Communists are pretty useless. For one thing, they usually fail to discriminate between malignant and benign Capitalists. If Communists were to kill the worst of the worst Capitalists, I'd be all, "YES!." and high fiving, but all they do is bitch. Believers in laissez-faire economies are either self serving or profoundly stupid. Extreme Socialists are just stupid, period. Both deny human nature, and ask us to believe in their mindset based on faith. > > TJ --Bryan |
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Tommy Joe > wrote:
> Well, certainly your place does not represent the norm, even if > it should. Good for you. But let's not forget, headlines change. > Today's suburb is tomorrow's slum. I drive a cab. One night I took a > guy home from a bar. He lived way out in the country. On the way > down he was pointing out signs of development. He didn't sound angry, > just sort of disheartened by the invasions. As we drove along he'd > point out spots and say something like, "You see that big store > there", pausing a moment in whistful memory, "that used to be nothing > but clear and open field." > > I said, "So you mean there's a lot of people moving in?", to > which he said yes, and to which I said, "Oh, so you're the guy who > started it all, is that it?" I said it in a light way. He recognized > the truth in my sarcasm, I'll give him that. It is cause by over population. Humans have this tendency to bread like rats. If humans stopped breading like rats and reduced the population under a billion. Everyone on this planet could probably have nice lifestyle without destroying nature at a breakneck pace. I purchased the land from a 72 year man who was going to an old folks home. I have no kids, so I am not contributing to the worlds over population. And when I go to the old folks home the land will be in better shape than i first got it. The land I have is in bad shape due to modern farming techniques. Organic is better for the land. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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On Jul 17, 8:03*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> Communists are pretty useless. *For one thing, thy usually fail to > discriminate between malignant and benign Capitalists. *If Communists > were to kill the worst of the worst Capitalists, I'd be all, "YES!." > and high fiving, but all they do is bitch. *Believers in laissez-faire > economies are either self serving or profoundly stupid. * .... You mean like Greenspan and his muse Ayn Rand? Which is which? John Kuthe... |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:47:32 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote: > Nope. Take your blinders off and stop listening to the fear mongers on Fox snews. -- Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. |
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sf wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:47:32 -0500, "Pete C." > > wrote: > > > Nope. > > Take your blinders off and stop listening to the fear mongers on Fox > snews. Take you blinders off and read my detailed response to George. I listen to NPR by the way, I have never listened to Fox, particularly since I do not have cable or sat TV. |
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On Jul 17, 9:03*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> Communists are pretty useless. *For one thing, they usually fail to > discriminate between malignant and benign Capitalists. *If Communists > were to kill the worst of the worst Capitalists, I'd be all, "YES!." > and high fiving, but all they do is bitch. *Believers in laissez-faire > economies are either self serving or profoundly stupid. *Extreme > Socialists are just stupid, period. *Both deny human nature, and ask > us to believe in their mindset based on faith. I am not in favor of any specific approach or ism. I think they all look good on paper but are all flawed in a sometimes much the same way. I myself have no answers, but I don't think a job-based economy is absurd. To me it's funny and sickening at the same time that people are suffering because "there's not enough work", when, if you had told people thousands of years ago that one day there would be no work, they would danced in celebration. You figure if there's not enough jobs there must not be much work to be done. Good, time to relax. I don't have the answer and I hate debating this crap. I just think it's funny that people should be suffering because "there's not enough work", when a more advanced society would embrace it. Work sucks, TJ |
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On Jul 17, 9:36*pm, Nad R > wrote:
> I purchased the land from a 72 year man who was going to an old folks home. > *I have no kids, so I am not contributing to the worlds over population.. > And when I go to the old folks home the land will be in better shape than i > first got it. The land I have is in bad shape due to modern farming > techniques. Organic is better for the land. Get rid of poverty and lack of education and the birth rate will go down, I think. Something will happen to cut the population, a huge war or international disease. If not, we will continue to devour our planet in the same way cancer eats away at us until we die, at which time they die for lack of anything to munch on. I am at a point where I don't care (in the long run - like, after I'm gone?) - what happens to the earth. Sometimes I think a species going extinct might even be a good thing. But as things stand now I suppose the human being is the best shot earthly life has against the vastness of the universe. TJ |
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On Jul 18, 4:23*am, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> * * I am not in favor of any specific approach or ism. *I think they > all look good on paper but are all flawed in a sometimes much the same > way. *I myself have no answers, but I don't think a job-based economy > is absurd. * I mistyped that as I was rushing as usual. I meant to say a job based economy IS absurd. Whether it is or not, that is what I meant. TJ |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:29:34 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
> Nad R wrote: >> >> "Pete C." > wrote: >>> Nad R wrote: >>>> >>>> "Pete C." > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How is pro choice right wing? How is pro science right wing? How is anti >>>>> superstition (religion) right wing? >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, just because I am anti socialism doesn't make me right wing, nor >>>>> does pointing out the lies of the anti bottled water crowd. >>>> >>>> I am Pro Choice, Pro Science, Anti Religion and Pro Socialism. >>>> Capitalism is dying just like Usenet is, August 2 may prove this because >>>> both sides have their binding religious commitments. >>>> >>>> As for the Bottled Water, I have my own RO system, those capitalist have >>>> polluted the public waters to no end. One must protect ourselves from the >>>> evil corporations :) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) >>> >>> Socialism has been proven to be a failure essentially everywhere it has >>> been tried. Those socialist countries in the EU like to blame the US for >>> their economic collapse, but clearly their socialist economies collapsed >>> because they were nearly entirely dependent on our capitalist economy. >> >> It will be the US's fault for messing up worlds currency. Last depression >> the US was the banker, the current depression Communist China is the >> banker. This time the US is going to fall BIG time. Those socialist nations >> will recover faster than the US. Germany and England are not that bad off. > > This is simply a load of crap. Those socialist nations are failing > because they have been borrowing more to buy votes from the poor and > ignorant than their feeble economies have been producing. They have been > living beyond their means and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the > US. > > Most of those countries have also allowed themselves to be over run by > the third world, which has only increased the imbalance between the > remaining productive populace and the non productive welfare populace. christ, now you're spouting racist bullshit as well. some 'centrist.' blake |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 15:15:21 -0500, George Leppla wrote:
> On 7/17/2011 11:29 AM, Pete C. wrote: >> High taxes*never* create productive jobs, the only create non >> productive bureaucratic jobs for the political elite and more vote >> buying for their party through welfare bribes to the non productive >> populace. The government has just spent trillions on "stimulus" and it >> has not created a single permanent job for the general population. > > 1) Up until 2000, we had a surplus > > 2) the Bush Tax Cuts benefited the wealthy. The theory was that the > more money that the wealthy and businesses keep, the more they will be > able to invest... creating millions of new jobs. > > 3) A few years after the Bush cuts came into effect, where were all the > new jobs that the tax cuts were supposed to create? I know... they took > the money and expanded their businesses into China, Mexico, the > Philippines, India. > > So now we have people saying that we can't do away with the tax cuts for > the rich because they need that money to create new jobs. THEY HAVE HAD > THIS MONEY FOR 8 YEARS... where are the jobs? but you're forgetting the tax cut fairy. she makes sure tax cuts result in increased revenue to the treasury. ask any republican about it. your pal, blake |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:47:32 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
> Nad R wrote: >> >> George Leppla > wrote: >>> On 7/17/2011 11:29 AM, Pete C. wrote: >>>> High taxes*never* create productive jobs, the only create non >>>> productive bureaucratic jobs for the political elite and more vote >>>> buying for their party through welfare bribes to the non productive >>>> populace. The government has just spent trillions on "stimulus" and it >>>> has not created a single permanent job for the general population. >>> >>> 1) Up until 2000, we had a surplus >>> >>> 2) the Bush Tax Cuts benefited the wealthy. The theory was that the more >>> money that the wealthy and businesses keep, the more they will be able to >>> invest... creating millions of new jobs. >>> >>> 3) A few years after the Bush cuts came into effect, where were all the >>> new jobs that the tax cuts were supposed to create? I know... they took >>> the money and expanded their businesses into China, Mexico, the Philippines, India. >>> >>> So now we have people saying that we can't do away with the tax cuts for >>> the rich because they need that money to create new jobs. THEY HAVE HAD >>> THIS MONEY FOR 8 YEARS... where are the jobs? >>> >>> 4) Most of the stimulus money to bail out banks, etc has been repaid.... >>> including the aid to the auto companies saving tens of thousands of jobs. >>> >>> George L >> >> Correct! > > Nope. then give us a cite, you worthless piece of shit. blake |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:46:58 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>> 2) the Bush Tax Cuts benefited the wealthy. The theory was that the >> more money that the wealthy and businesses keep, the more they will be >> able to invest... creating millions of new jobs. > > The theory was largely correct. the theory is purest fantasy: President George W. Bush entered office in 2001 just as a recession was starting, and is preparing to leave in the middle of a long one. That¢s almost 22 months of recession during his 96 months in office. His job-creation record won¢t look much better. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton¡s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office. <http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/> (i can't wait for you to dismiss the *wall street journal* as some leftist propaganda site.) so what new ****ing jobs were created by the bush tax cuts? blake |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 15:46:24 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote: >On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:47:32 -0500, Pete C. wrote: > >> Nad R wrote: >>> >>> George Leppla > wrote: >>>> On 7/17/2011 11:29 AM, Pete C. wrote: >>>>> High taxes*never* create productive jobs, the only create non >>>>> productive bureaucratic jobs for the political elite and more vote >>>>> buying for their party through welfare bribes to the non productive >>>>> populace. The government has just spent trillions on "stimulus" and it >>>>> has not created a single permanent job for the general population. >>>> >>>> 1) Up until 2000, we had a surplus >>>> >>>> 2) the Bush Tax Cuts benefited the wealthy. The theory was that the more >>>> money that the wealthy and businesses keep, the more they will be able to >>>> invest... creating millions of new jobs. >>>> >>>> 3) A few years after the Bush cuts came into effect, where were all the >>>> new jobs that the tax cuts were supposed to create? I know... they took >>>> the money and expanded their businesses into China, Mexico, the Philippines, India. >>>> >>>> So now we have people saying that we can't do away with the tax cuts for >>>> the rich because they need that money to create new jobs. THEY HAVE HAD >>>> THIS MONEY FOR 8 YEARS... where are the jobs? >>>> >>>> 4) Most of the stimulus money to bail out banks, etc has been repaid.... >>>> including the aid to the auto companies saving tens of thousands of jobs. >>>> >>>> George L >>> >>> Correct! >> >> Nope. > >then give us a cite, you worthless piece of shit. > >blake Please Blake, just poison that sonovabitch and make him go away. |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:03:56 -0700 (PDT), Bryan wrote:
> On Jul 17, 7:37*am, Tommy Joe > wrote: >> >> * * * Actually, unemployment is capitalism's way of getting you to >> become a communist. *The above quote makes sense but is lacking in >> reality because there are plenty of people in plenty of areas that are >> so devastated by poverty and the crime that comes with it that >> building a garden would only give a bunch of trouble makers something >> to run through. *That is a nice quote though. *I also liked the old >> quote from Lenin or one of those guys back when that said, "Capitalism >> will hang itself and we will sell them the rope." *I think the sale >> has already taken place. > > Communists are pretty useless. For one thing, they usually fail to > discriminate between malignant and benign Capitalists. If Communists > were to kill the worst of the worst Capitalists, I'd be all, "YES!." > and high fiving, but all they do is bitch. Believers in laissez-faire > economies are either self serving or profoundly stupid. Extreme > Socialists are just stupid, period. Both deny human nature, and ask > us to believe in their mindset based on faith. let's kill all of them who aren't Just Right! your pal, goldilocks |
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s.com: > Communists are pretty useless. For one thing, they usually > fail to discriminate between malignant and benign Capitalists. Interesting spin on economic and social abuse...benign economic and social abuse...hmmm...sort of like a tumour pressing on your vital organs...it may be benign, but it still hurts like a bitch. -- "War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful and terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless." Peter Ustinov |
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blake murphy wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:29:34 -0500, Pete C. wrote: > > > Nad R wrote: > >> > >> "Pete C." > wrote: > >>> Nad R wrote: > >>>> > >>>> "Pete C." > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> How is pro choice right wing? How is pro science right wing? How is anti > >>>>> superstition (religion) right wing? > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry, just because I am anti socialism doesn't make me right wing, nor > >>>>> does pointing out the lies of the anti bottled water crowd. > >>>> > >>>> I am Pro Choice, Pro Science, Anti Religion and Pro Socialism. > >>>> Capitalism is dying just like Usenet is, August 2 may prove this because > >>>> both sides have their binding religious commitments. > >>>> > >>>> As for the Bottled Water, I have my own RO system, those capitalist have > >>>> polluted the public waters to no end. One must protect ourselves from the > >>>> evil corporations :) > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) > >>> > >>> Socialism has been proven to be a failure essentially everywhere it has > >>> been tried. Those socialist countries in the EU like to blame the US for > >>> their economic collapse, but clearly their socialist economies collapsed > >>> because they were nearly entirely dependent on our capitalist economy. > >> > >> It will be the US's fault for messing up worlds currency. Last depression > >> the US was the banker, the current depression Communist China is the > >> banker. This time the US is going to fall BIG time. Those socialist nations > >> will recover faster than the US. Germany and England are not that bad off. > > > > This is simply a load of crap. Those socialist nations are failing > > because they have been borrowing more to buy votes from the poor and > > ignorant than their feeble economies have been producing. They have been > > living beyond their means and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the > > US. > > > > Most of those countries have also allowed themselves to be over run by > > the third world, which has only increased the imbalance between the > > remaining productive populace and the non productive welfare populace. > > christ, now you're spouting racist bullshit as well. Where exactly have I said anything racist? The third world includes wide range of races, the problem is culture and education. |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:36:29 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
> blake murphy wrote: >> >> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:29:34 -0500, Pete C. wrote: >>> >>> Most of those countries have also allowed themselves to be over run by >>> the third world, which has only increased the imbalance between the >>> remaining productive populace and the non productive welfare populace. >> >> christ, now you're spouting racist bullshit as well. > > Where exactly have I said anything racist? The third world includes wide > range of races, the problem is culture and education. yeah, the third world is absolutely jam-packed with white people. everybody knows that. blake |
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blake murphy wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:36:29 -0500, Pete C. wrote: > > > blake murphy wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:29:34 -0500, Pete C. wrote: > >>> > >>> Most of those countries have also allowed themselves to be over run by > >>> the third world, which has only increased the imbalance between the > >>> remaining productive populace and the non productive welfare populace. > >> > >> christ, now you're spouting racist bullshit as well. > > > > Where exactly have I said anything racist? The third world includes wide > > range of races, the problem is culture and education. > > yeah, the third world is absolutely jam-packed with white people. > everybody knows that. > > blake Problems of culture and education have nothing to do with race. Those who play this bogus racist card are the true racists. |
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On 22/07/2011 1:43 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>>> Where exactly have I said anything racist? The third world includes wide >>> range of races, the problem is culture and education. >> >> yeah, the third world is absolutely jam-packed with white people. >> everybody knows that. >> >> blake > > Problems of culture and education have nothing to do with race. Those > who play this bogus racist card are the true racists. Yet, those cultures tend to be made up primarily of people from a particular race. |
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:43:17 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
> blake murphy wrote: >> >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:36:29 -0500, Pete C. wrote: >> >>> blake murphy wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:29:34 -0500, Pete C. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Most of those countries have also allowed themselves to be over run by >>>>> the third world, which has only increased the imbalance between the >>>>> remaining productive populace and the non productive welfare populace. >>>> >>>> christ, now you're spouting racist bullshit as well. >>> >>> Where exactly have I said anything racist? The third world includes wide >>> range of races, the problem is culture and education. >> >> yeah, the third world is absolutely jam-packed with white people. >> everybody knows that. >> >> blake > > Problems of culture and education have nothing to do with race. Those > who play this bogus racist card are the true racists. what crap. 'overrun by the third world' is dogwhistle for 'overrun by brown (or worse) people.' blake |
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Dave Smith wrote: > > On 22/07/2011 1:43 PM, Pete C. wrote: > > >>> Where exactly have I said anything racist? The third world includes wide > >>> range of races, the problem is culture and education. > >> > >> yeah, the third world is absolutely jam-packed with white people. > >> everybody knows that. > >> > >> blake > > > > Problems of culture and education have nothing to do with race. Those > > who play this bogus racist card are the true racists. > > Yet, those cultures tend to be made up primarily of people from a > particular race. Which is entirely irrelevant. Take an infant out of that area and raise them away from the dysfunctional culture and lack of education in the area and guess what, they turn out well educated, civilized and non-violent. Race is irrelevant, culture and lack of education is very relevant. |
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blake murphy wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:43:17 -0500, Pete C. wrote: > > > blake murphy wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:36:29 -0500, Pete C. wrote: > >> > >>> blake murphy wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:29:34 -0500, Pete C. wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Most of those countries have also allowed themselves to be over run by > >>>>> the third world, which has only increased the imbalance between the > >>>>> remaining productive populace and the non productive welfare populace. > >>>> > >>>> christ, now you're spouting racist bullshit as well. > >>> > >>> Where exactly have I said anything racist? The third world includes wide > >>> range of races, the problem is culture and education. > >> > >> yeah, the third world is absolutely jam-packed with white people. > >> everybody knows that. > >> > >> blake > > > > Problems of culture and education have nothing to do with race. Those > > who play this bogus racist card are the true racists. > > what crap. 'overrun by the third world' is dogwhistle for 'overrun by > brown (or worse) people.' Only in your feeble racist brain. |
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On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:55:14 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
> blake murphy wrote: >> >> On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:43:17 -0500, Pete C. wrote: >> >>> blake murphy wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:36:29 -0500, Pete C. wrote: >>>> >>>>> blake murphy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:29:34 -0500, Pete C. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most of those countries have also allowed themselves to be over run by >>>>>>> the third world, which has only increased the imbalance between the >>>>>>> remaining productive populace and the non productive welfare populace. >>>>>> >>>>>> christ, now you're spouting racist bullshit as well. >>>>> >>>>> Where exactly have I said anything racist? The third world includes wide >>>>> range of races, the problem is culture and education. >>>> >>>> yeah, the third world is absolutely jam-packed with white people. >>>> everybody knows that. >>>> >>>> blake >>> >>> Problems of culture and education have nothing to do with race. Those >>> who play this bogus racist card are the true racists. >> >> what crap. 'overrun by the third world' is dogwhistle for 'overrun by >> brown (or worse) people.' > > Only in your feeble racist brain. nope. i'm not the one complaining about europe being 'overrun' by people from the third world. that would be you. blake |
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blake murphy wrote: > > On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:55:14 -0500, Pete C. wrote: > > > blake murphy wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:43:17 -0500, Pete C. wrote: > >> > >>> blake murphy wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:36:29 -0500, Pete C. wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> blake murphy wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:29:34 -0500, Pete C. wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Most of those countries have also allowed themselves to be over run by > >>>>>>> the third world, which has only increased the imbalance between the > >>>>>>> remaining productive populace and the non productive welfare populace. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> christ, now you're spouting racist bullshit as well. > >>>>> > >>>>> Where exactly have I said anything racist? The third world includes wide > >>>>> range of races, the problem is culture and education. > >>>> > >>>> yeah, the third world is absolutely jam-packed with white people. > >>>> everybody knows that. > >>>> > >>>> blake > >>> > >>> Problems of culture and education have nothing to do with race. Those > >>> who play this bogus racist card are the true racists. > >> > >> what crap. 'overrun by the third world' is dogwhistle for 'overrun by > >> brown (or worse) people.' > > > > Only in your feeble racist brain. > > nope. i'm not the one complaining about europe being 'overrun' by people > from the third world. that would be you. You're the one making the racist claims, not me. |
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:00:22 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
> blake murphy wrote: >> >> On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:55:14 -0500, Pete C. wrote: >> >>> blake murphy wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:43:17 -0500, Pete C. wrote: >>>> >>>>> blake murphy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:36:29 -0500, Pete C. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> blake murphy wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:29:34 -0500, Pete C. wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most of those countries have also allowed themselves to be over run by >>>>>>>>> the third world, which has only increased the imbalance between the >>>>>>>>> remaining productive populace and the non productive welfare populace. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> christ, now you're spouting racist bullshit as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Where exactly have I said anything racist? The third world includes wide >>>>>>> range of races, the problem is culture and education. >>>>>> >>>>>> yeah, the third world is absolutely jam-packed with white people. >>>>>> everybody knows that. >>>>>> >>>>>> blake >>>>> >>>>> Problems of culture and education have nothing to do with race. Those >>>>> who play this bogus racist card are the true racists. >>>> >>>> what crap. 'overrun by the third world' is dogwhistle for 'overrun by >>>> brown (or worse) people.' >>> >>> Only in your feeble racist brain. >> >> nope. i'm not the one complaining about europe being 'overrun' by people >> from the third world. that would be you. > > You're the one making the racist claims, not me. 'overrun by the third world' is not racist? you live in a fantasy world. blake |
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