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Meanwhile, back to the OP

<<"Kalmia" <wrote>I discovered that I had doubles and triples of a lot of
certain things
on hand, mainly cuz I'd bought extras in error or took advantage of
sales.
Now on my fridge I keep a running list of things I DON'T need, such as
EVO, oatmeal, peppercorns, oregano, ( have enuf for 20 years) etc.
Keeps me from buying even more of the same.

Saves tying up more money and space. HTH. >>

I really do have a serious thorough grocery list. Gone are the days
when Moma could send Junior down the block to get a fresh can of baking
power, at least for us. Grocery shopping here involves a long trip and is
not that much fun so we try to shop only every week or ten days.
We have a list on the computer that covers everything we might
need/want. I print it and circle what's missing as I look around in the
pantry, freezer and all. Sometimes I miss something on the list, usually I
pick up a few things that call to me. I'd rather be cooking than driving
down the highway. I'd rather be taking a nap. Polly (great-grandmother
and living way out in the Black Creek Swamp.)

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On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 11:00:23 -0800, "M. JL Esq." >
wrote:

> *Chuckle* our local smart & final carries it, i actually got a good deal
> on 500 sheets of printer paper there the other day:)

Hey, thanks! I'll check out Smart and Final. I can always fall back
on Office Depot.

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On 8 Mar 2011 21:13:13 GMT, notbob > arranged
random neurons and said:

>On 2011-03-08, Storrmmee > wrote:
>> please feel free to block me if i irritate you, if you would care to discuss
>> my posting style please email me privately as i do not discuss it on groups,
>> thanks,
>
>I will.
>
>Lee, aka Stormee, is vision afflicted. I don't know if that is blind,
>partially blind, whatever. She uses software that helps her post on
>usenet and it's not always rfc (or any other group) compliant. She
>top posts. Regardless, she's a sweethart and deserves a pass.
>
>Lee, I apologize for speaking out of place, but I know you from other
>groups and jes wanted the good folks here on rfc to know. If I
>haven't said it before, I say it now. Welcome aboard. ;)

Then my apologies.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

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On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 19:36:01 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

> On 8 Mar 2011 21:13:13 GMT, notbob > arranged
> random neurons and said:
>
> >
> >Lee, I apologize for speaking out of place, but I know you from other
> >groups and jes wanted the good folks here on rfc to know. If I
> >haven't said it before, I say it now. Welcome aboard. ;)
>
> Then my apologies.
>
If I remember correctly, Lee is an rfc poster from the distant past
too.

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"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2011-03-08, Storrmmee > wrote:
>> please feel free to block me if i irritate you, if you would care to
>> discuss
>> my posting style please email me privately as i do not discuss it on
>> groups,
>> thanks,
>
> I will.
>
> Lee, aka Stormee, is vision afflicted. I don't know if that is blind,
> partially blind, whatever. She uses software that helps her post on
> usenet and it's not always rfc (or any other group) compliant. She
> top posts. Regardless, she's a sweethart and deserves a pass.
>
> Lee, I apologize for speaking out of place, but I know you from other
> groups and jes wanted the good folks here on rfc to know. If I
> haven't said it before, I say it now. Welcome aboard. ;)

Thank you for that, nb. It does help to know such things. We have spoken
before, Lee but welcome from me too!

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no apology needed, this is a most interesting group, Lee
"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
...
> On 8 Mar 2011 21:13:13 GMT, notbob > arranged
> random neurons and said:
>
>>On 2011-03-08, Storrmmee > wrote:
>>> please feel free to block me if i irritate you, if you would care to
>>> discuss
>>> my posting style please email me privately as i do not discuss it on
>>> groups,
>>> thanks,
>>
>>I will.
>>
>>Lee, aka Stormee, is vision afflicted. I don't know if that is blind,
>>partially blind, whatever. She uses software that helps her post on
>>usenet and it's not always rfc (or any other group) compliant. She
>>top posts. Regardless, she's a sweethart and deserves a pass.
>>
>>Lee, I apologize for speaking out of place, but I know you from other
>>groups and jes wanted the good folks here on rfc to know. If I
>>haven't said it before, I say it now. Welcome aboard. ;)
>
> Then my apologies.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>
> --
>
> To reply, remove "spambot" and replace it with "cox"

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i don't recall actually posting here on purpose, i think some things i
posted were actually cross posts... but i really can't remember, one of the
vagaries of my software is that checking for crossposts while its doable is
a major pita, so i often inadver, crap can't spell it, cross post without
meaning to, Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 19:36:01 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> > wrote:
>
>> On 8 Mar 2011 21:13:13 GMT, notbob > arranged
>> random neurons and said:
>>
>> >
>> >Lee, I apologize for speaking out of place, but I know you from other
>> >groups and jes wanted the good folks here on rfc to know. If I
>> >haven't said it before, I say it now. Welcome aboard. ;)
>>
>> Then my apologies.
>>
> If I remember correctly, Lee is an rfc poster from the distant past
> too.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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thanks, the only reason i answered the way i did is that every time i have
tried to explain it, there is someone, and usually the same someone, who
calls me selfish lazy and so on... it takes up lots of space/bandwidth and i
just decided one day if someone wanted to know i would be happy to answer in
email and i would also not be offended if they chose to block me instead,
sorta lets us get on with the topic of the group... although that doesn't
seem to be such an issue here, lol, Lee


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2011-03-08, Storrmmee > wrote:
>>> please feel free to block me if i irritate you, if you would care to
>>> discuss
>>> my posting style please email me privately as i do not discuss it on
>>> groups,
>>> thanks,
>>
>> I will.
>>
>> Lee, aka Stormee, is vision afflicted. I don't know if that is blind,
>> partially blind, whatever. She uses software that helps her post on
>> usenet and it's not always rfc (or any other group) compliant. She
>> top posts. Regardless, she's a sweethart and deserves a pass.
>>
>> Lee, I apologize for speaking out of place, but I know you from other
>> groups and jes wanted the good folks here on rfc to know. If I
>> haven't said it before, I say it now. Welcome aboard. ;)
>
> Thank you for that, nb. It does help to know such things. We have spoken
> before, Lee but welcome from me too!
>
> --
> --
>
> https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

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On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 05:27:54 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> i don't recall actually posting here on purpose, i think some things i
> posted were actually cross posts...

Oh, okay. I don't remember what the circumstances were. I just
remember seeing your posts.

> but i really can't remember, one of the
> vagaries of my software is that checking for crossposts while its doable is
> a major pita, so i often inadver, crap can't spell it, cross post without
> meaning to, Lee

That's a good enough reason to switch from OE, Lee. I'd recommend
Forte Agent, but it's a major PITA to disable it back to a simple,
easy to use news reader these days.

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"Kalmia" wrote in message
...

On Mar 7, 2:43 pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> Kalmia wrote:
>
> >I discovered that I had doubles and triples of a lot of certain things
> >on hand, mainly cuz I'd bought extras in error or took advantage of
> >sales.
> >Now on my fridge I keep a running list of things I DON'T need, such as
> >EVO, oatmeal, peppercorns, oregano, ( have enuf for 20 years) etc.
> >Keeps me from buying even more of the same.
>
> >Saves tying up more money and space. HTH.
>
> Making a weekly list of things I don't need would prevent me from
> living, that list would be so long I'd not have time to pee... imagine
> a list of every item Walmart, Lowe's and several other large shopping
> emporiums stock except for a handful of items from each store stock
> that I do need... wouldn't it make more sense to keep a list of just
> those few items you do need? Normal folks make a list of what they DO
> need, not what they DON'T need. Are you sure you haven't been
> diagnosed with OCD (Obssessive Compulsive Disorder). You gotta be so
> anal retentive that you only shit once a decade.

I'll overlook your last comment. Yes, AR, admittedly. And I DO have
a needed list. I just didn't want to forget the extras I have tucked
here and there and keep thinking I needed em.

It makes more sense for me to make my list and then check to see what I
already have. If you can't find it while checking before shopping, you
aren't going to find it when you need it. A once-a-year
cleanout/reorganization doesn't hurt either. Bring the oldest dated stuff
to the front and plan on using it soon.
Janet

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On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 13:20:11 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
> wrote:

> On Mar 7, 2:43*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> > Kalmia wrote:
> >
> > >I discovered that I had doubles and triples of a lot of certain things
> > >on hand, mainly cuz I'd bought extras in error or took advantage of
> > >sales.
> > >Now on my fridge I keep a running list of things I DON'T need, such as
> > >EVO, oatmeal, peppercorns, oregano, *( have enuf for 20 years) etc.
> > >Keeps me from buying even more of the same.
> >
> > >Saves tying up more money and space. HTH.
> >
> > Making a weekly list of things I don't need would prevent me from
> > living, that list would be so long I'd not have time to pee... imagine
> > a list of every item Walmart, Lowe's and several other large shopping
> > emporiums stock except for a handful of items from each store stock
> > that I do need... wouldn't it make more sense to keep a list of just
> > those few items you do need? *Normal folks make a list of what they DO
> > need, not what they DON'T need. *Are you sure you haven't been
> > diagnosed with OCD (Obssessive Compulsive Disorder). *You gotta be so
> > anal retentive that you only shit once a decade.
>
> I'll overlook your last comment. Yes, AR, admittedly. And I DO have
> a needed list. I just didn't want to forget the extras I have tucked
> here and there and keep thinking I needed em.

It's a simple concept. You keep buying the same thing over and over
thinking you're out and now you have 6 of them. Organization is the
key though. Keep things in specific places, then you're more likely
to notice when you've doubled up on something and it won't grow any
more than that. I had two popcorn salts (yes, I forgot and doubled
up) but at least they were kept next to the jar of popcorn. I
wondered what happened to them, because I didn't remember using up
either container. I found one in a different cupboard the other day,
but still haven't tracked down #2. That's what happens when there's
another person using the kitchen with a different idea of how it
should be organized.

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"Storrmmee" wrote

> please feel free to block me if i irritate you, if you would care to
> discuss my posting style please email me privately as i do not discuss it
> on groups, thanks,

Hehehe Keep posting Lee! I love your quirky humor that pervades your life.

Carol

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its not OE but the screen reader, and using a lap top makes it worse, in
order to see what is posted, i have to open the message, hit altand 1 then
again then tab over to the news groups feild, and when i am reading messages
if i hit next message which is alt and right arrow i can get through them
pretty fast,

i do enjoy this group and i have just learned once again that filters are my
friend, Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 05:27:54 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> i don't recall actually posting here on purpose, i think some things i
>> posted were actually cross posts...
>
> Oh, okay. I don't remember what the circumstances were. I just
> remember seeing your posts.
>
>> but i really can't remember, one of the
>> vagaries of my software is that checking for crossposts while its doable
>> is
>> a major pita, so i often inadver, crap can't spell it, cross post without
>> meaning to, Lee
>
> That's a good enough reason to switch from OE, Lee. I'd recommend
> Forte Agent, but it's a major PITA to disable it back to a simple,
> easy to use news reader these days.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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if i couldn't laugh i would either blow someone or myself away sometimes, i
think that luaghing and good foods are two of the best gifts one can enjoy
from the great above, Lee
"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> "Storrmmee" wrote
>
>> please feel free to block me if i irritate you, if you would care to
>> discuss my posting style please email me privately as i do not discuss it
>> on groups, thanks,
>
> Hehehe Keep posting Lee! I love your quirky humor that pervades your
> life.
>
> Carol
>

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 02:30:59 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> its not OE but the screen reader, and using a lap top makes it worse, in
> order to see what is posted, i have to open the message, hit altand 1 then
> again then tab over to the news groups feild, and when i am reading messages
> if i hit next message which is alt and right arrow i can get through them
> pretty fast,

OY! You'd think these things would be better streamlined by now.
>
> i do enjoy this group and i have just learned once again that filters are my
> friend, Lee

Yep. I'm letting it be my friend too. I'm focusing on people with
news readers that don't quote properly now because I'm tired of trying
to figure out who said what. They may be perfectly nice posters, but
they need to take some time from posting to rfc to find a better news
reader.


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honestly for a while the changes in the technology really helped disabled
people all around, now its moving so fast its becoming a hinderance, for
example, my s/r works great on win 98 and xp, but on further versions, not
so good... even though they say it does, and every time adobe or "insert
program i use here" it takes a huge overhaul to get it fixed and reading...
just quit changing stuff all i want to do is read email from my mom, a few
news groups and do an occasional google, Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 02:30:59 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> its not OE but the screen reader, and using a lap top makes it worse, in
>> order to see what is posted, i have to open the message, hit altand 1
>> then
>> again then tab over to the news groups feild, and when i am reading
>> messages
>> if i hit next message which is alt and right arrow i can get through them
>> pretty fast,
>
> OY! You'd think these things would be better streamlined by now.
>>
>> i do enjoy this group and i have just learned once again that filters are
>> my
>> friend, Lee
>
> Yep. I'm letting it be my friend too. I'm focusing on people with
> news readers that don't quote properly now because I'm tired of trying
> to figure out who said what. They may be perfectly nice posters, but
> they need to take some time from posting to rfc to find a better news
> reader.
>
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:43:19 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> honestly for a while the changes in the technology really helped disabled
> people all around, now its moving so fast its becoming a hinderance, for
> example, my s/r works great on win 98 and xp, but on further versions, not
> so good... even though they say it does, and every time adobe or "insert
> program i use here" it takes a huge overhaul to get it fixed and reading...
> just quit changing stuff all i want to do is read email from my mom, a few
> news groups and do an occasional google, Lee

Maybe Orlando can help you out, he's significantly vision
impaired/blind too.

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we have spoken in the past, and for his needs his system is excellent, but
since my needs are more recreational rather than academic/job related i
can't justify what he has... his knowledge of computers is superior to mine
as well. the dh and i just discussed this, he offerred to get me something
else after we get back into the house, so i am exploring another screen
reader and some other software, but it is down the list of things i really
need... like a bed and a stove the dh can cook in/on... man i want this
done,

Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:43:19 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> honestly for a while the changes in the technology really helped disabled
>> people all around, now its moving so fast its becoming a hinderance, for
>> example, my s/r works great on win 98 and xp, but on further versions,
>> not
>> so good... even though they say it does, and every time adobe or "insert
>> program i use here" it takes a huge overhaul to get it fixed and
>> reading...
>> just quit changing stuff all i want to do is read email from my mom, a
>> few
>> news groups and do an occasional google, Lee
>
> Maybe Orlando can help you out, he's significantly vision
> impaired/blind too.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:58:08 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> the dh and i just discussed this, he offerred to get me something
> else after we get back into the house, so i am exploring another screen
> reader and some other software, but it is down the list of things i really
> need... like a bed and a stove the dh can cook in/on... man i want this
> done,

I like your list of needs! Look into a cooktop instead of a stove and
lower the height. Lower height work counters were all the rage 15-20
years ago.






















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the counters will have to be higher for the dh, he isn't that tall but is
mostly legs and has back issues that make his comfort level a few inches
higher than a regular counter.

we have looked into cook top vs. stove, and have so far decided against, a
built in unit of any kind including double wall ovens, as one of the things
we are really working hard to do is have as maintainance free and easy
maintainance when needed. having built in anything increases the cost of
replacement because often the framing has to be redone because the size you
had isn't made anymore, we faced this in the house that burnt as he stove we
had was 27 inches wide and the standard is now 30 and of course it was built
in.

we have also rejected a microwave above the stove because we often use large
stock pots and this would be hindered by that type of unit... we have also
rejected any of the flat surface cooktops as i have tried to use them at
friend's homes and while its doable its not easy and i only cook under
duress to start with so if the dh is sick i know my brain won't handle it
well, and for his part he uses cast iron most of the time...

that is what we won't have and so we are now looking at we want... i guess
it sounds backwards but there are just so many details its the only way my
brain would deal with it...

now as far as that bed the dh has decided he thinks he wants a sleep number
to replace the waterbed, and when we find a hotel to test one out in if it
works for his back we will get one, if not it will be the hunt from hell to
try and get another waterbed,

Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:58:08 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> the dh and i just discussed this, he offerred to get me something
>> else after we get back into the house, so i am exploring another screen
>> reader and some other software, but it is down the list of things i
>> really
>> need... like a bed and a stove the dh can cook in/on... man i want this
>> done,
>
> I like your list of needs! Look into a cooktop instead of a stove and
> lower the height. Lower height work counters were all the rage 15-20
> years ago.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:32:37 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> the counters will have to be higher for the dh, he isn't that tall but is
> mostly legs and has back issues that make his comfort level a few inches
> higher than a regular counter.

Same idea applies.
>
> we have looked into cook top vs. stove, and have so far decided against, a
> built in unit of any kind including double wall ovens, as one of the things
> we are really working hard to do is have as maintainance free and easy
> maintainance when needed. having built in anything increases the cost of
> replacement because often the framing has to be redone because the size you
> had isn't made anymore, we faced this in the house that burnt as he stove we
> had was 27 inches wide and the standard is now 30 and of course it was built
> in.

Consider a 48" cooktop. That size hasn't changed in 50 years. This
house was equipped with a 48" when I moved in, I updated it a few
years later with another 48" and recently replaced it again with
another 48 inch model.

>
> we have also rejected a microwave above the stove because we often use large
> stock pots and this would be hindered by that type of unit

The fan part sucks big time too. I'd never consider a microwave over
the stove top. It simply would not work for me.

> ... we have also
> rejected any of the flat surface cooktops as i have tried to use them at
> friend's homes and while its doable its not easy and i only cook under
> duress to start with so if the dh is sick i know my brain won't handle it
> well, and for his part he uses cast iron most of the time...
>
That could be a problem if he wasn't careful.

> that is what we won't have and so we are now looking at we want... i guess
> it sounds backwards but there are just so many details its the only way my
> brain would deal with it...

Take them one at a time, I guess.
>
> now as far as that bed the dh has decided he thinks he wants a sleep number
> to replace the waterbed, and when we find a hotel to test one out in if it
> works for his back we will get one, if not it will be the hunt from hell to
> try and get another waterbed,

I prefer pillow tops with a firmer base... but that's me.

--

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the water bed we had was great and even with more cats than i care to admit,
it only had to be patched twice in 18 years... it had lumbar support, which
was great for dh's back, and i could scoot down and use it to prop me up
higher to breathe, but the bed has to work for him, i only sleep about three
hours at a time anyway so end up on a couch or futon half the time anyway so
whatever he wants we will get, when i sleep i am dead to the world but i
have never slept over four hours in a row unless ill so i am up and down so
its go to bed, get up take an hour nap on the futon or recliner or whatever,
its just not important to me as it is for his physical comfort.

the details are so overwhelming i have resorted to one at a time... and that
does help, the other night i woke from a dead sleep trying to carry a
grocery list that in the dream weighed about seven pounds and was on that
old tractor feed paper and a clerk in the costco had caught the edge of it
on his broom and we were trying to get it all back, lol, Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:32:37 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> the counters will have to be higher for the dh, he isn't that tall but is
>> mostly legs and has back issues that make his comfort level a few inches
>> higher than a regular counter.
>
> Same idea applies.
>>
>> we have looked into cook top vs. stove, and have so far decided against,
>> a
>> built in unit of any kind including double wall ovens, as one of the
>> things
>> we are really working hard to do is have as maintainance free and easy
>> maintainance when needed. having built in anything increases the cost of
>> replacement because often the framing has to be redone because the size
>> you
>> had isn't made anymore, we faced this in the house that burnt as he stove
>> we
>> had was 27 inches wide and the standard is now 30 and of course it was
>> built
>> in.
>
> Consider a 48" cooktop. That size hasn't changed in 50 years. This
> house was equipped with a 48" when I moved in, I updated it a few
> years later with another 48" and recently replaced it again with
> another 48 inch model.
>
>>
>> we have also rejected a microwave above the stove because we often use
>> large
>> stock pots and this would be hindered by that type of unit
>
> The fan part sucks big time too. I'd never consider a microwave over
> the stove top. It simply would not work for me.
>
>> ... we have also
>> rejected any of the flat surface cooktops as i have tried to use them at
>> friend's homes and while its doable its not easy and i only cook under
>> duress to start with so if the dh is sick i know my brain won't handle it
>> well, and for his part he uses cast iron most of the time...
>>
> That could be a problem if he wasn't careful.
>
>> that is what we won't have and so we are now looking at we want... i
>> guess
>> it sounds backwards but there are just so many details its the only way
>> my
>> brain would deal with it...
>
> Take them one at a time, I guess.
>>
>> now as far as that bed the dh has decided he thinks he wants a sleep
>> number
>> to replace the waterbed, and when we find a hotel to test one out in if
>> it
>> works for his back we will get one, if not it will be the hunt from hell
>> to
>> try and get another waterbed,
>
> I prefer pillow tops with a firmer base... but that's me.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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"Storrmmee" wrote

> the counters will have to be higher for the dh, he isn't that tall but is
> mostly legs and has back issues that make his comfort level a few inches
> higher than a regular counter.

Yup.

> we have looked into cook top vs. stove, and have so far decided against, a
> built in unit of any kind including double wall ovens, as one of the
> things we are really working hard to do is have as maintainance free and
> easy maintainance when needed. having built in anything increases the
> cost of replacement because often the framing has to be redone because the
> size you had isn't made anymore, we faced this in the house that burnt as
> he stove we had was 27 inches wide and the standard is now 30 and of
> course it was built in.

Correct. Best to have open space for needed items. if you go with a
dishwasher, they sell some very *nice* models that are not built in. They
come from 'looks like it's built in' (hookups in PVC or flex pipe at back
need to be installed) to 'hooks to the sink' (not sure how they drain but
they have some way to hold the pipe to be able to do that into the sink,
possibly a rigid one you stow when not in use like an old movable washing
machine I had).

> we have also rejected a microwave above the stove because we often use
> large stock pots and this would be hindered by that type of unit... we
> have also rejected any of the flat surface cooktops as i have tried to use
> them at friend's homes and while its doable its not easy and i only cook
> under duress to start with so if the dh is sick i know my brain won't
> handle it well, and for his part he uses cast iron most of the time...

Definately no smoothtops here. I know some folks love them for the looks
and are happy enough with the functionality, but not a good device for you
and definately never a good choice for cast iron users.

Gas or electric? I'd say Gas is cheaper and I prefer to cook on it for the
fine control, but electric may be easier for you.

> now as far as that bed the dh has decided he thinks he wants a sleep
> number to replace the waterbed, and when we find a hotel to test one out
> in if it works for his back we will get one, if not it will be the hunt
> from hell to try and get another waterbed,

Sleepnumber is a great idea for folks with back issues. I wish I had one.

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"sf" wrote
> "Storrmmee" wrote:

>> we have looked into cook top vs. stove, and have so far decided against,
>> a
>> built in unit of any kind including double wall ovens, as one of the
>> things
>> we are really working hard to do is have as maintainance free and easy
>> maintainance when needed. having built in anything increases the cost of

> Consider a 48" cooktop. That size hasn't changed in 50 years. This
> house was equipped with a 48" when I moved in, I updated it a few
> years later with another 48" and recently replaced it again with
> another 48 inch model.

Umm, why does she want a cooktop instead of an oven with the range on top?
They then are stuck with a built in oven which specifically they don't want
again right?

>> ... we have also
>> rejected any of the flat surface cooktops as i have tried to use them at
>> friend's homes and while its doable its not easy and i only cook under
>> duress to start with so if the dh is sick i know my brain won't handle it
>> well, and for his part he uses cast iron most of the time...

> That could be a problem if he wasn't careful.

A flat surface type means he'd have to give up using cast iron pans as his
common tool. I believe it's also some of the few things they were able to
recover from the fire.

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:36:33 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

\
>Definately no smoothtops here. I know some folks love them for the looks
>and are happy enough with the functionality, but not a good device for you
>and definately never a good choice for cast iron users.

I cook with cast iron on a glass top all the time. Piece o' cake. I
use a 17 year old KA. The top is in terrific shape. I use the darn
thing as counter space or cutting board when I am not cooking on it.
It is a wonder. Not a chip or gouge in it.

I dread replacing it, as I am sure the newest ones are not as well
made.

Boron

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"Boron Elgar" wrote
> "cshenk" wrote:

>>Definately no smoothtops here. I know some folks love them for the looks
>>and are happy enough with the functionality, but not a good device for you
>>and definately never a good choice for cast iron users.
>
> I cook with cast iron on a glass top all the time. Piece o' cake. I
> use a 17 year old KA. The top is in terrific shape. I use the darn
> thing as counter space or cutting board when I am not cooking on it.
> It is a wonder. Not a chip or gouge in it.
>
> I dread replacing it, as I am sure the newest ones are not as well
> made.

I've heard you say that before about cast iron but no one else? That must
be an exceptional unit!

I would never use my cast iron on one though. For one thing, my cast iron
have a ridged bottom so you don't get total contact. You'd just get the
rim. They work best with gas but work fine with electric. The main one is
14 inches across and a bit over 3 tall. I might be able to get away with
the 2 little ones though with a sturdy unit like yours. I am sure the
spider stock pot would be a bad story. It's got 3 nubby feet so it can sit
above ashes in the fireplace but it's also used on the back of the gas
range. The spider when loaded with food is probably about 30lbs. On a
smoothtop, that would rest on 3 small points.

Either way, Lee's DH uses a good bit of cast iron and they want a
freestanding range/oven unit and for her to be able to use it easily the few
times she wants to 'feel around' and position a pot then warm something in
it. She says they decided a smoothtop isnt best for them.

What we all need, is based on our cookery habits. Now don't mind me, I'm
dusting out the oven. I plan to use it sometime in the next month or so.
Maybe (grin).

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:19:01 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

> the water bed we had was great and even with more cats than i care to admit,
> it only had to be patched twice in 18 years... it had lumbar support, which
> was great for dh's back, and i could scoot down and use it to prop me up
> higher to breathe, but the bed has to work for him, i only sleep about three
> hours at a time anyway so end up on a couch or futon half the time anyway so
> whatever he wants we will get, when i sleep i am dead to the world but i
> have never slept over four hours in a row unless ill so i am up and down so
> its go to bed, get up take an hour nap on the futon or recliner or whatever,
> its just not important to me as it is for his physical comfort.
>
> the details are so overwhelming i have resorted to one at a time... and that
> does help, the other night i woke from a dead sleep trying to carry a
> grocery list that in the dream weighed about seven pounds and was on that
> old tractor feed paper and a clerk in the costco had caught the edge of it
> on his broom and we were trying to get it all back, lol, Lee

Tackling what you need to do one by one is a good strategy. How do
you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:36:33 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> Correct. Best to have open space for needed items. if you go with a
> dishwasher, they sell some very *nice* models that are not built in. They
> come from 'looks like it's built in' (hookups in PVC or flex pipe at back
> need to be installed) to 'hooks to the sink' (not sure how they drain but
> they have some way to hold the pipe to be able to do that into the sink,
> possibly a rigid one you stow when not in use like an old movable washing
> machine I had).

Oh, come on. I've put 4 different brands of dishwasher in the same
50-60 year old space for a built in.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:48:34 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> I would never use my cast iron on one though. For one thing, my cast iron
> have a ridged bottom so you don't get total contact. You'd just get the
> rim. They work best with gas but work fine with electric.

I think yours is unusual. Every cast iron piece I own has a smooth
bottom, it would all make contact.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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"sf" wrote
> "cshenk" wrote:

>> I would never use my cast iron on one though. For one thing, my cast
>> iron
>> have a ridged bottom so you don't get total contact. You'd just get the
>> rim. They work best with gas but work fine with electric.

> I think yours is unusual. Every cast iron piece I own has a smooth
> bottom, it would all make contact.

No 1/16th inch or more rim? Odd but my stuff isn't 'new' at all. Some of
it is 100 years or so old now (I've had it 30 myself and wasn't new then).
I got 3 of the pieces off a lady who was 70 who got them from her
grandmother and had used them 50 years herself. They have a little 'bottom
lip' that would make contact first and a 1/4 to 1/16th rise (depending on
pan) above the rest of the flat surface before it touched the rest of the
bottom.

I don't have any that do not have this.

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:48:34 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>"Boron Elgar" wrote
>> "cshenk" wrote:
>
>>>Definately no smoothtops here. I know some folks love them for the looks
>>>and are happy enough with the functionality, but not a good device for you
>>>and definately never a good choice for cast iron users.
>>
>> I cook with cast iron on a glass top all the time. Piece o' cake. I
>> use a 17 year old KA. The top is in terrific shape. I use the darn
>> thing as counter space or cutting board when I am not cooking on it.
>> It is a wonder. Not a chip or gouge in it.
>>
>> I dread replacing it, as I am sure the newest ones are not as well
>> made.
>
>I've heard you say that before about cast iron but no one else? That must
>be an exceptional unit!

It is the first stove top of the sort that I have had, so I can make
no comparisons, but hence my dread.
>
>I would never use my cast iron on one though. For one thing, my cast iron
>have a ridged bottom so you don't get total contact. You'd just get the
>rim. They work best with gas but work fine with electric. The main one is
>14 inches across and a bit over 3 tall. I might be able to get away with
>the 2 little ones though with a sturdy unit like yours. I am sure the
>spider stock pot would be a bad story. It's got 3 nubby feet so it can sit
>above ashes in the fireplace but it's also used on the back of the gas
>range. The spider when loaded with food is probably about 30lbs. On a
>smoothtop, that would rest on 3 small points.

I have lot of different cast iron pots and pans, from pre-seasoned
Lodge to Le Creuset in cost, from 60+years old to newly purchased.
Obviously, anything new I buy has a flat bottom, unless I plan on
using it only for baking.
>
>Either way, Lee's DH uses a good bit of cast iron and they want a
>freestanding range/oven unit and for her to be able to use it easily the few
>times she wants to 'feel around' and position a pot then warm something in
>it. She says they decided a smoothtop isnt best for them.
>
>What we all need, is based on our cookery habits. Now don't mind me, I'm
>dusting out the oven. I plan to use it sometime in the next month or so.
>Maybe (grin).

Now, I didn't say I prefer glass top or recommend it to anyone else,
but the kitchen isn't piped for gas, and recommendations along these
lines are not my style, for the reason you state...you buy what you
prefer for your own kitchen.

I have an over-the-range- microwave, too, which Lee ruled out because
of large pots. My stove and micro are situated so that large pots -
the ones I call "baby boilers," fit quite comfortably. I also have an
under-micro exhaust that vents to the outside, too.

Boron

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we haven't definitely decided on gas or el. dh used to prefer gas but we
have used el for so long he doesn't want to change in a big way, el would be
easier for me but when i do cook its usually slow cooker or nuker, so
whatever he wants is what we will get, also because we will have gas heat i
think we will get lines run to the stove and dryer areas just in case we
want to change later.

he really is leaning towards the sleep number, which is kinda exciting for
me as it means i will be able to change the sheets on my own, i am too short
and my arms are too short to change the water bed sheets, but i will miss
those sewn on top sheets, Lee
"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> "Storrmmee" wrote
>
>> the counters will have to be higher for the dh, he isn't that tall but is
>> mostly legs and has back issues that make his comfort level a few inches
>> higher than a regular counter.
>
> Yup.
>
>> we have looked into cook top vs. stove, and have so far decided against,
>> a built in unit of any kind including double wall ovens, as one of the
>> things we are really working hard to do is have as maintainance free and
>> easy maintainance when needed. having built in anything increases the
>> cost of replacement because often the framing has to be redone because
>> the size you had isn't made anymore, we faced this in the house that
>> burnt as he stove we had was 27 inches wide and the standard is now 30
>> and of course it was built in.
>
> Correct. Best to have open space for needed items. if you go with a
> dishwasher, they sell some very *nice* models that are not built in. They
> come from 'looks like it's built in' (hookups in PVC or flex pipe at back
> need to be installed) to 'hooks to the sink' (not sure how they drain but
> they have some way to hold the pipe to be able to do that into the sink,
> possibly a rigid one you stow when not in use like an old movable washing
> machine I had).
>
>> we have also rejected a microwave above the stove because we often use
>> large stock pots and this would be hindered by that type of unit... we
>> have also rejected any of the flat surface cooktops as i have tried to
>> use them at friend's homes and while its doable its not easy and i only
>> cook under duress to start with so if the dh is sick i know my brain
>> won't handle it well, and for his part he uses cast iron most of the
>> time...
>
> Definately no smoothtops here. I know some folks love them for the looks
> and are happy enough with the functionality, but not a good device for you
> and definately never a good choice for cast iron users.
>
> Gas or electric? I'd say Gas is cheaper and I prefer to cook on it for
> the fine control, but electric may be easier for you.
>
>> now as far as that bed the dh has decided he thinks he wants a sleep
>> number to replace the waterbed, and when we find a hotel to test one out
>> in if it works for his back we will get one, if not it will be the hunt
>> from hell to try and get another waterbed,
>
> Sleepnumber is a great idea for folks with back issues. I wish I had one.

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we had a regular stove before but i originally wanted a built in double oven
as my mom has one and loves it... however the cheapo model at home depot is
almost 3k, and as we discussed replacement that went out the window. you
are right, the cast iron was one of the few things we were able to save, i
have a rather extensive collection of griswald that is an in use
collectable,

Lee
"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> "sf" wrote
>> "Storrmmee" wrote:
>
>>> we have looked into cook top vs. stove, and have so far decided against,
>>> a
>>> built in unit of any kind including double wall ovens, as one of the
>>> things
>>> we are really working hard to do is have as maintainance free and easy
>>> maintainance when needed. having built in anything increases the cost
>>> of
>
>> Consider a 48" cooktop. That size hasn't changed in 50 years. This
>> house was equipped with a 48" when I moved in, I updated it a few
>> years later with another 48" and recently replaced it again with
>> another 48 inch model.
>
> Umm, why does she want a cooktop instead of an oven with the range on top?
> They then are stuck with a built in oven which specifically they don't
> want again right?
>
>>> ... we have also
>>> rejected any of the flat surface cooktops as i have tried to use them at
>>> friend's homes and while its doable its not easy and i only cook under
>>> duress to start with so if the dh is sick i know my brain won't handle
>>> it
>>> well, and for his part he uses cast iron most of the time...
>
>> That could be a problem if he wasn't careful.
>
> A flat surface type means he'd have to give up using cast iron pans as his
> common tool. I believe it's also some of the few things they were able to
> recover from the fire.

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i am impressed, i am sure i am too clumsy for that, lol, Lee
"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:36:33 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> \
>>Definately no smoothtops here. I know some folks love them for the looks
>>and are happy enough with the functionality, but not a good device for you
>>and definately never a good choice for cast iron users.
>
> I cook with cast iron on a glass top all the time. Piece o' cake. I
> use a 17 year old KA. The top is in terrific shape. I use the darn
> thing as counter space or cutting board when I am not cooking on it.
> It is a wonder. Not a chip or gouge in it.
>
> I dread replacing it, as I am sure the newest ones are not as well
> made.
>
> Boron

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he does use the oven quite a bit, and many of the recipes i create are oven
types... i have refrained from asking him about that egg in the lasagna
thing as i fear his grandfather will roll over in his grave if i do...
lol... and speaking of ovens, what does everyone think of the self cleaning
function and of that timer function where you put something in and it turns
on and cooks when you set it to, the oven we had actually had it but we
never used it because we were both a little creeped out by the idea of food
sitting in there and not being cooked,

Lee
"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> "Boron Elgar" wrote
>> "cshenk" wrote:
>
>>>Definately no smoothtops here. I know some folks love them for the looks
>>>and are happy enough with the functionality, but not a good device for
>>>you
>>>and definately never a good choice for cast iron users.
>>
>> I cook with cast iron on a glass top all the time. Piece o' cake. I
>> use a 17 year old KA. The top is in terrific shape. I use the darn
>> thing as counter space or cutting board when I am not cooking on it.
>> It is a wonder. Not a chip or gouge in it.
>>
>> I dread replacing it, as I am sure the newest ones are not as well
>> made.
>
> I've heard you say that before about cast iron but no one else? That must
> be an exceptional unit!
>
> I would never use my cast iron on one though. For one thing, my cast iron
> have a ridged bottom so you don't get total contact. You'd just get the
> rim. They work best with gas but work fine with electric. The main one is
> 14 inches across and a bit over 3 tall. I might be able to get away with
> the 2 little ones though with a sturdy unit like yours. I am sure the
> spider stock pot would be a bad story. It's got 3 nubby feet so it can
> sit above ashes in the fireplace but it's also used on the back of the gas
> range. The spider when loaded with food is probably about 30lbs. On a
> smoothtop, that would rest on 3 small points.
>
> Either way, Lee's DH uses a good bit of cast iron and they want a
> freestanding range/oven unit and for her to be able to use it easily the
> few times she wants to 'feel around' and position a pot then warm
> something in it. She says they decided a smoothtop isnt best for them.
>
> What we all need, is based on our cookery habits. Now don't mind me, I'm
> dusting out the oven. I plan to use it sometime in the next month or so.
> Maybe (grin).

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since i collect it i can answer, some peices have a ridg e around the
outside and an inset bottom, some have ribbed bottoms that go straight
across and some have a circular ribbed bottom and some as she said have the
feet, usually three or four, lots of these are special purpose things for
fires, fire places or slow simmers,

Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:48:34 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> I would never use my cast iron on one though. For one thing, my cast
>> iron
>> have a ridged bottom so you don't get total contact. You'd just get the
>> rim. They work best with gas but work fine with electric.
>
> I think yours is unusual. Every cast iron piece I own has a smooth
> bottom, it would all make contact.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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exactly they only became totally flat as time passed, please look up the
value of your peices so they don't get thrown away as unwanted, i don't have
my book anymore but you might be shocked at their value, as i KNOW what you
have is well maintained, and since you know the history and can sell that
with the peice, it will add to their value to a real collector,

lee, saying this knowing you won't ever get rid of them
"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> "sf" wrote
>> "cshenk" wrote:
>
>>> I would never use my cast iron on one though. For one thing, my cast
>>> iron
>>> have a ridged bottom so you don't get total contact. You'd just get the
>>> rim. They work best with gas but work fine with electric.
>
>> I think yours is unusual. Every cast iron piece I own has a smooth
>> bottom, it would all make contact.
>
> No 1/16th inch or more rim? Odd but my stuff isn't 'new' at all. Some of
> it is 100 years or so old now (I've had it 30 myself and wasn't new then).
> I got 3 of the pieces off a lady who was 70 who got them from her
> grandmother and had used them 50 years herself. They have a little
> 'bottom lip' that would make contact first and a 1/4 to 1/16th rise
> (depending on pan) above the rest of the flat surface before it touched
> the rest of the bottom.
>
> I don't have any that do not have this.

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your stove must be fabulous, the few units dh looked that did have the nuker
above had only a wimpy in the room fan, not worth the effort to turn it on,
Lee
"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:48:34 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>"Boron Elgar" wrote
>>> "cshenk" wrote:
>>
>>>>Definately no smoothtops here. I know some folks love them for the
>>>>looks
>>>>and are happy enough with the functionality, but not a good device for
>>>>you
>>>>and definately never a good choice for cast iron users.
>>>
>>> I cook with cast iron on a glass top all the time. Piece o' cake. I
>>> use a 17 year old KA. The top is in terrific shape. I use the darn
>>> thing as counter space or cutting board when I am not cooking on it.
>>> It is a wonder. Not a chip or gouge in it.
>>>
>>> I dread replacing it, as I am sure the newest ones are not as well
>>> made.
>>
>>I've heard you say that before about cast iron but no one else? That must
>>be an exceptional unit!
>
> It is the first stove top of the sort that I have had, so I can make
> no comparisons, but hence my dread.
>>
>>I would never use my cast iron on one though. For one thing, my cast iron
>>have a ridged bottom so you don't get total contact. You'd just get the
>>rim. They work best with gas but work fine with electric. The main one is
>>14 inches across and a bit over 3 tall. I might be able to get away with
>>the 2 little ones though with a sturdy unit like yours. I am sure the
>>spider stock pot would be a bad story. It's got 3 nubby feet so it can
>>sit
>>above ashes in the fireplace but it's also used on the back of the gas
>>range. The spider when loaded with food is probably about 30lbs. On a
>>smoothtop, that would rest on 3 small points.
>
> I have lot of different cast iron pots and pans, from pre-seasoned
> Lodge to Le Creuset in cost, from 60+years old to newly purchased.
> Obviously, anything new I buy has a flat bottom, unless I plan on
> using it only for baking.
>>
>>Either way, Lee's DH uses a good bit of cast iron and they want a
>>freestanding range/oven unit and for her to be able to use it easily the
>>few
>>times she wants to 'feel around' and position a pot then warm something in
>>it. She says they decided a smoothtop isnt best for them.
>>
>>What we all need, is based on our cookery habits. Now don't mind me, I'm
>>dusting out the oven. I plan to use it sometime in the next month or so.
>>Maybe (grin).
>
> Now, I didn't say I prefer glass top or recommend it to anyone else,
> but the kitchen isn't piped for gas, and recommendations along these
> lines are not my style, for the reason you state...you buy what you
> prefer for your own kitchen.
>
> I have an over-the-range- microwave, too, which Lee ruled out because
> of large pots. My stove and micro are situated so that large pots -
> the ones I call "baby boilers," fit quite comfortably. I also have an
> under-micro exhaust that vents to the outside, too.
>
> Boron

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you are correct sometimes i forget that, then i take a breath and start
over, Lee
"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 15:19:01 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>> the water bed we had was great and even with more cats than i care to
>> admit,
>> it only had to be patched twice in 18 years... it had lumbar support,
>> which
>> was great for dh's back, and i could scoot down and use it to prop me up
>> higher to breathe, but the bed has to work for him, i only sleep about
>> three
>> hours at a time anyway so end up on a couch or futon half the time anyway
>> so
>> whatever he wants we will get, when i sleep i am dead to the world but i
>> have never slept over four hours in a row unless ill so i am up and down
>> so
>> its go to bed, get up take an hour nap on the futon or recliner or
>> whatever,
>> its just not important to me as it is for his physical comfort.
>>
>> the details are so overwhelming i have resorted to one at a time... and
>> that
>> does help, the other night i woke from a dead sleep trying to carry a
>> grocery list that in the dream weighed about seven pounds and was on that
>> old tractor feed paper and a clerk in the costco had caught the edge of
>> it
>> on his broom and we were trying to get it all back, lol, Lee
>
> Tackling what you need to do one by one is a good strategy. How do
> you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

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On 3/11/2011 6:52 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> I cook with cast iron on a glass top all the time. Piece o' cake. I
> use a 17 year old KA. The top is in terrific shape. I use the darn
> thing as counter space or cutting board when I am not cooking on it.
> It is a wonder. Not a chip or gouge in it.
>
> I dread replacing it, as I am sure the newest ones are not as well
> made.
>
> Boron

Mine is a Frigidaire and I use cast iron. The instructions did not say
anything about cooking with cast iron. This is my 2nd one with a glass
top and I used cast iron on both of them. The first one was in my last
house.

Becca