Jay-zes! Don't you ppl ever get tired of taking it up the ass!?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021902399.html

What's next? Exterminate Jews and Linux users? And to think I used
to think Microsoft was the Evil Empire.

nb

On 2/19/2011 6:35 PM, notbob wrote:
> Jay-zes! Don't you ppl ever get tired of taking it up the ass!?
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021902399.html
>
> What's next? Exterminate Jews and Linux users? And to think I used
> to think Microsoft was the Evil Empire.

Recently, I contemplated the purchase an iPhone (sp?), but I certainly
won't now! For what little I use a cellphone anywho, it's just not
worth the extra cost(s). Uhm, what does an iPad do that a
run-of-the-mill computer/laptop (PC?) doesn't? If I'm missing
something, I haven't missed it yet

Sky

--

Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

notbob > wrote:

>Jay-zes! Don't you ppl ever get tired of taking it up the ass!?

>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021902399.html

>What's next?

I've long ago concluded that Apple users are engaged in a sort
of continuous retail therapy. They actually like having their
money drained away on an ongoing basis. It makes them feel good
to spend money.

I can relate to wanting to spend a little money unnecessarily for
a sort of psychological boost, but I try not to be so mindless
and compulsive about it.

Steve

Sky > wrote:

>Uhm, what does an iPad do that a
>run-of-the-mill computer/laptop (PC?) doesn't? If I'm missing
>something, I haven't missed it yet

Boots up much faster, touch-screen, better quality screen for reading
E-books. On the downside it has no keyboard, and may not run your
favorite software, or may only do so at extra cost. That's probably
about it.

When it was introduced I read that, bizarrely, the iPad does not have a
mode where it simply functions as a normal cell phone. Perhaps this
has been fixed.


Steve

Steve Pope > wrote:
> Sky > wrote:
>
>> Uhm, what does an iPad do that a
>> run-of-the-mill computer/laptop (PC?) doesn't? If I'm missing
>> something, I haven't missed it yet
>
> Boots up much faster, touch-screen, better quality screen for reading
> E-books. On the downside it has no keyboard, and may not run your
> favorite software, or may only do so at extra cost. That's probably
> about it.
>
> When it was introduced I read that, bizarrely, the iPad does not have a
> mode where it simply functions as a normal cell phone. Perhaps this
> has been fixed.
>
>
> Steve

I do not miss the keyboard, I prefer the iPads touch keyboard and you can
have the older obsolete software. It is too big for a cell phone. The iPad
does have a microphone and can make calls through the Internet. The iPhone
can do almost everything an iPad can but to small for comfortable reading.
One can sync their Mac, iPhone and iPad wirelessly and automatically using
the cloud.

I am typing this from my iPad. I will never own a laptop again. Ten hour
battery life, easier to hold to view books and magazines, On this iPad,
eBook reader, my GPS guide, my contact list, weather alert, night star
guide, Internet radio of twenty thousand stations. Graphing Calculator that
blows my TI 89 out. I can watch movies and TV shows on it, my TV remote
control, Sketch pad, turn my lights thermostat up/down, Drawing pad for
main computer, iPod that runs my Bluetooth speakers. Photo Viewer,
Calendar, Journal keeper, keep track of diet and blood pressure, I can
watch YouTube and most import of all I have access to thousands of cooking
recipes and cooking information at my fingertips.

As for magazines, I already read two magazines online. They do not need
Apples subscription service. I receive a monthly email and go to the
magazines site and download the magazine in PDF form. However with the
iPad, interactive magazines which will be the future and better than PDF's
will need Apples help. I will take iTunes over the music and book stores
and soon the magazine stores. Book stores are the way of the music
stores... History. MY local Borders is even closing so that makes Barnes
and Noble the closet and thirty miles away. Paper is going the way of the
Dodo bird. Since I bought my iPad eight months ago, I have not used my
printer once! Paper is history, I read everything on this iPad.

Also the iPad is the number one game machine also. Rumor has it the next
Apple Operating system for the Mac will be like the IPad with the Push
technology as well as Multitasking.

There is one MAJOR drawback and it is a big one. With so much personal
information in an all in one compact device. It does help big brother to
keep track of you also, if he wishes. Privacy is also going the way of the
Dodo.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On 2/19/2011 3:20 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> Uhm, what does an iPad do that a
>> run-of-the-mill computer/laptop (PC?) doesn't? If I'm missing
>> something, I haven't missed it yet
>
> Boots up much faster, touch-screen, better quality screen for reading
> E-books. On the downside it has no keyboard, and may not run your
> favorite software, or may only do so at extra cost. That's probably
> about it.

My assumption is that these hand-held devices are the computers of the
future. The performance of the iPad is startling if you consider the low
power consumption and battery life. As you say boot-up is remarkably
fast. I guess that's what comes from close integration of hardware and
software and not being saddled with DOS legacy issues. I like my laptop
just fine but boot-up is slow and it's a power hog and it requires a
small fan to keep the CPU from overheating and shutting down. The iPad
keeps it's cool passively and barely gets warm. Remarkable! OTOH, Apple
is as evil an empire as is Microsoft. A pox on both of their houses - I
can't wait until something better comes along. :-)

>
> When it was introduced I read that, bizarrely, the iPad does not have a
> mode where it simply functions as a normal cell phone. Perhaps this
> has been fixed.
>

I can make VoIP calls when Wi-Fi is available. OTOH, I'd just as soon
use my phone to make phone calls.

>
> Steve

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> When it was introduced I read that, bizarrely, the iPad does not have a
> mode where it simply functions as a normal cell phone. Perhaps this
> has been fixed.
>
>
> Steve

(It's not a telephone.)

--
Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of St. Pectina of Jella
"Always in a jam, never in a stew; sometimes in a pickle."
Pepparkakor particulars posted 11-29-2010;
http://web.me.com/barbschaller

Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 02:20:54 +0000 (UTC), Nad R wrote:
>
>> I am typing this from my iPad. I will never own a laptop again. Ten hour
>> battery life, easier to hold to view books and magazines, On this iPad,
>> eBook reader, my GPS guide, my contact list, weather alert, night star
>> guide, Internet radio of twenty thousand stations. Graphing Calculator that
>> blows my TI 89 out. I can watch movies and TV shows on it, my TV remote
>> control, Sketch pad, turn my lights thermostat up/down, Drawing pad for
>> main computer, iPod that runs my Bluetooth speakers. Photo Viewer,
>> Calendar, Journal keeper, keep track of diet and blood pressure, I can
>> watch YouTube and most import of all I have access to thousands of cooking
>> recipes and cooking information at my fingertips.
>
> Is there a Wipe Your Ass attachment?
>
> What is the world coming to. Does nobody interact with people in real
> life any more? Pretty soon these are going to be banned in the
> workplaces - it's worse than giving employees Internet access (which
> is becoming more restricted lately). People are addicted to these
> things and it's not healthy.
>
> -sw

No it does not wipe my ass yet. I am waiting for an Asimov Law based Robot
for that specific job. I am not rich enough yet to have an illegal
immigrant to wipe my ass. Computers will not be banned from the work place.
The computers will ban humans from the work place, which is happening as I
type

Also like in Asimov novel, "Caves Of Steel", people in the future will
communicate by computer as the worlds population goes to zero. Yes it is
not healthy in terms of procreation. However I do see the humor as you
responded to my message and there for can call you a "hypocrite"

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On 20 Feb 2011 00:35:24 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> Jay-zes! Don't you ppl ever get tired of taking it up the ass!?
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021902399.html
>
> What's next? Exterminate Jews and Linux users? And to think I used
> to think Microsoft was the Evil Empire.
>
LOL! Maybe so, but Apple was the BIG brat.... ME! ME! ME! Mine, Mine,
Mine, I WON'T SHARE!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 01:00:22 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> notbob > wrote:
>
> >Jay-zes! Don't you ppl ever get tired of taking it up the ass!?
>
> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021902399.html
>
> >What's next?
>
> I've long ago concluded that Apple users are engaged in a sort
> of continuous retail therapy. They actually like having their
> money drained away on an ongoing basis. It makes them feel good
> to spend money.
>
> I can relate to wanting to spend a little money unnecessarily for
> a sort of psychological boost, but I try not to be so mindless
> and compulsive about it.
>
I've seen a commercial twice now that's for a new product I'm actually
interested in.... and I don't think it's an apple. It's a phone that
hooks into something that looks like a computer. I think AT&T is
advertising it. At&T needs something new now that Verizon can market
Phones and over a better network.


--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf > wrote:
> On 20 Feb 2011 00:35:24 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> Jay-zes! Don't you ppl ever get tired of taking it up the ass!?
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021902399.html
>>
>> What's next? Exterminate Jews and Linux users? And to think I used
>> to think Microsoft was the Evil Empire.
>>
> LOL! Maybe so, but Apple was the BIG brat.... ME! ME! ME! Mine, Mine,
> Mine, I WON'T SHARE!

Last time Apple shared, by allowing other computer manufactures to use
their operating system, Apples profits plummeted. Then they learned and
stopped doing it. This happened when Steve Jobs was not at the helm.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On 2/19/2011 8:00 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> Jay-zes! Don't you ppl ever get tired of taking it up the ass!?
>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021902399.html
>
>> What's next?
>
> I've long ago concluded that Apple users are engaged in a sort
> of continuous retail therapy. They actually like having their
> money drained away on an ongoing basis. It makes them feel good
> to spend money.

I don't think its just Apple. Apple simply learned how to attract many
who have no personal identity and think they are purchasing one when
sporting something with a label that is recognized by others like them
as "important".

>
> I can relate to wanting to spend a little money unnecessarily for
> a sort of psychological boost, but I try not to be so mindless
> and compulsive about it.
>
> Steve

In article >,
lid says...
>
> On 2/19/2011 8:00 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Jay-zes! Don't you ppl ever get tired of taking it up the ass!?
> >
> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021902399.html
> >
> >> What's next?
> >
> > I've long ago concluded that Apple users are engaged in a sort
> > of continuous retail therapy. They actually like having their
> > money drained away on an ongoing basis. It makes them feel good
> > to spend money.
>
> I don't think its just Apple. Apple simply learned how to attract many
> who have no personal identity and think they are purchasing one when
> sporting something with a label that is recognized by others like them
> as "important".

It seems to be working. Their revenues are approaching Microsoft's.

> > I can relate to wanting to spend a little money unnecessarily for
> > a sort of psychological boost, but I try not to be so mindless
> > and compulsive about it.
> >
> > Steve

On 2011-02-20, Nad R > wrote:

> Last time Apple shared, by allowing other computer manufactures to use
> their operating system, Apples profits plummeted. Then they learned and
> stopped doing it. This happened when Steve Jobs was not at the helm.

Since Steve has regained the helm, Apple uses a shared OS, namely
unix, a shared platform, Intel, and would charge his mother to use his
bathroom. The guy makes Bill Gates look like Mother Teresa.

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2011-02-20, Nad R > wrote:
>
>> Last time Apple shared, by allowing other computer manufactures to
>> use their operating system, Apples profits plummeted. Then they
>> learned and stopped doing it. This happened when Steve Jobs was not
>> at the helm.
>
> Since Steve has regained the helm, Apple uses a shared OS, namely
> unix, a shared platform, Intel, and would charge his mother to use his
> bathroom. The guy makes Bill Gates look like Mother Teresa.

After all the dedicated Mac users we keep hearing from, I thought
I'd be a lot happier with the little Shuffle I bought. What a pain in
the neck with the way I had to load songs onto it, interpreting the
lights, the minimalist documentation. Long before it's time I got the
dreaded flashing orange light that seems to mean Kiss your $70
goodbye. I got myself a Sansa Clip and found out what I was missing.
$40 and I can just drag albums onto it instantly without iTunes
and it has a bunch of other functions, and a display.

I plan for that to be my last dip into the Apple pond.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>> On 2011-02-20, Nad R > wrote:
>>>> Last time Apple shared, by allowing other computer manufactures to
>>> use their operating system, Apples profits plummeted. Then they
>>> learned and stopped doing it. This happened when Steve Jobs was not
>>> at the helm. > > Since Steve has regained the helm, Apple uses a shared OS, namely
>> unix, a shared platform, Intel, and would charge his mother to use his
>> bathroom. The guy makes Bill Gates look like Mother Teresa.
>
> After all the dedicated Mac users we keep hearing from, I thought
> I'd be a lot happier with the little Shuffle I bought. What a pain in
> the neck with the way I had to load songs onto it, interpreting the
> lights, the minimalist documentation. Long before it's time I got the
> dreaded flashing orange light that seems to mean Kiss your $70
> goodbye. I got myself a Sansa Clip and found out what I was missing.
> $40 and I can just drag albums onto it instantly without iTunes and it
> has a bunch of other functions, and a display.
> I plan for that to be my last dip into the Apple pond.
> nancy

If the sans clip is so great, why is it NOT the best selling player?

How far do you have to drive to the nearest music store for CD's? Apple
almost has a monopoly on the download music like Amazon with books. I have
a shuffle, perfect for the gym, small compact, takes a beating, no problems
and my shuffle is six years old.

Where do you download your single tunes for your Sansa Clip?

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

Nad R wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>> notbob wrote:

>> After all the dedicated Mac users we keep hearing from, I thought
>> I'd be a lot happier with the little Shuffle I bought. What a pain
>> in the neck with the way I had to load songs onto it, interpreting
>> the lights, the minimalist documentation. Long before it's time I
>> got the dreaded flashing orange light that seems to mean Kiss your
>> $70 goodbye. I got myself a Sansa Clip and found out what I was
>> missing. $40 and I can just drag albums onto it instantly without
>> iTunes and it has a bunch of other functions, and a display.
>> I plan for that to be my last dip into the Apple pond.

> If the sans clip is so great, why is it NOT the best selling player?

I do not know. Hands down this beats that Shuffle. Advertising,
I guess. I can even listen to radio on it, or record where I parked
my car. I can look to see on the screen what the battery life is.
It's all good.

> How far do you have to drive to the nearest music store for CD's?

Not far, or I can order them online. I don't consider iTunes to be a
plus, if that's what you mean. I'm happy to bypass it altogether.

> Apple almost has a monopoly on the download music like Amazon with
> books. I have a shuffle, perfect for the gym, small compact, takes a
> beating, no problems and my shuffle is six years old.

Good luck, I hope you never get the blinking orange death ray.

> Where do you download your single tunes for your Sansa Clip?

I have a large CD collection, so I don't need to buy songs as I use
my Sansa for walking, but sometimes I buy songs from Amazon.

nancy

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:09:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

>On 2/19/2011 3:20 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Uhm, what does an iPad do that a
>>> run-of-the-mill computer/laptop (PC?) doesn't? If I'm missing
>>> something, I haven't missed it yet
>>
>> Boots up much faster, touch-screen, better quality screen for reading
>> E-books. On the downside it has no keyboard, and may not run your
>> favorite software, or may only do so at extra cost. That's probably
>> about it.
>
>My assumption is that these hand-held devices are the computers of the
>future. The performance of the iPad is startling if you consider the low
>power consumption and battery life. As you say boot-up is remarkably
>fast. I guess that's what comes from close integration of hardware and
>software and not being saddled with DOS legacy issues. I like my laptop

The smartest move Apple made for the i* was to create a brand new OS
(iOS) for touch. They started it with the iPhone and then used it for
iPad. The MS concept of effectively porting windows to the
phone/tablet is a major fail.

>just fine but boot-up is slow and it's a power hog and it requires a
>small fan to keep the CPU from overheating and shutting down. The iPad
>keeps it's cool passively and barely gets warm. Remarkable! OTOH, Apple
>is as evil an empire as is Microsoft. A pox on both of their houses - I
>can't wait until something better comes along. :-)

The Macbook Air is quite impressive also. Cold boot time is <15 sec.
Not, it's not instant on as the iPad is, but it's pretty damn
impressive. And the form factor is really close to the iPad as well.

SSD technology is helping mobile computing leap forwards very quickly.

>> When it was introduced I read that, bizarrely, the iPad does not have a
>> mode where it simply functions as a normal cell phone. Perhaps this
>> has been fixed.
>>
>
>I can make VoIP calls when Wi-Fi is available. OTOH, I'd just as soon
>use my phone to make phone calls.

It's not really intended as a phone. I believe iPad v2 is expected to
have a front facing camera and so will be Facetime enabled.

-goro-

"Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
> Good luck, I hope you never get the blinking orange death ray.
>
>> Where do you download your single tunes for your Sansa Clip?
>
> I have a large CD collection, so I don't need to buy songs as I use
> my Sansa for walking, but sometimes I buy songs from Amazon.
> nancy

On my shuffle, orange lights it means it needs a charge or it's
downloading.
Even though I have never had a problem does not mean others do.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1407

I have not bought a CD in Eight years, a waist of money. Why spend $15 for
one or two good songs when I can just down load the songs I want for a
dollar on two. For Christmas I give I tunes gift cards to my nephews and
nieces. They immediately use my computer to download and burn their own
custom CD's. Their taste in music is close to mine, alternative music. I
have about 70 Gigs worth of music on my hard drive and all backed up on
external drives.

Now with your MP3 I take it you do not download music from the Internet?

If not that is major reason why iPods rule, can download music directly
into some iPods, iPhones and iPads from the Internet.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

Nad R > wrote:

>"Nancy Young" > wrote:

-snip-
>> I got myself a Sansa Clip and found out what I was missing.
>> $40 and I can just drag albums onto it instantly without iTunes and it
>> has a bunch of other functions, and a display.
>> I plan for that to be my last dip into the Apple pond.
>> nancy

[mine's a Sansa fuze- but I like it for the same reasons]

>If the sans clip is so great, why is it NOT the best selling player?

For the same reason MS *is* the best selling OS and Sony Betamax lost
to VHS, marketing, baby.

Apple learned their marketing lesson well.

>
>How far do you have to drive to the nearest music store for CD's?

The Sansa players are mp3 players like the shuffle.

>Apple
>almost has a monopoly on the download music like Amazon with books.

Granted, I don't have many 21st century songs on my player- but I've
only 'needed' to go to itunes 3 times in the past 5 yrs. [and
Amazon may still be the biggest new book retailer out there-- but
they've got plenty of competition these days]

>I have
>a shuffle, perfect for the gym, small compact, takes a beating, no problems
>and my shuffle is six years old.

I'm still in awe of my little Sansa player that sounds so much better
than the cassettes and 8-tracks I was 'raised on'- and can hold about
8000 songs that I can flip through by artist, album, genre, or title.

>
>Where do you download your single tunes for your Sansa Clip?

Amazon has an extensive collection of mp3's- emusic is getting
better-- and I got an 'all you can download' membership from
mp3panda.com for this year for $100. [normally $0? a year and
15cents a song]

Apple is 'just another player' in the mp3 department these days.

Jim

notbob wrote:
> Jay-zes! Don't you ppl ever get tired of taking it up the ass!?
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021902399.html
>
> What's next? Exterminate Jews and Linux users? And to think I used
> to think Microsoft was the Evil Empire.
>
> nb

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/1241/pcvsmac1qv9.jpg

Bubba

Nad R wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote:

> On my shuffle, orange lights it means it needs a charge or it's
> downloading.
> Even though I have never had a problem does not mean others do.
>
> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1407

My Shuffle was just dead as a doornail.

> I have not bought a CD in Eight years, a waist of money. Why spend
> $15 for one or two good songs when I can just down load the songs I
> want for a dollar on two.

I don't buy many these days, but I do like CDs for my car.

> For Christmas I give I tunes gift cards to
> my nephews and nieces. They immediately use my computer to download
> and burn their own custom CD's. Their taste in music is close to
> mine, alternative music. I have about 70 Gigs worth of music on my
> hard drive and all backed up on external drives.

I just bought a song online yesterday. It is certainly very convenient.

> Now with your MP3 I take it you do not download music from the
> Internet?

I can get music any way, I just don't have to go through iTunes.
I just drag the album cover to my sansa and it's instantly loaded.
And I can see the album title on the little screen it has.

> If not that is major reason why iPods rule, can download music
> directly into some iPods, iPhones and iPads from the Internet.

I used to walk around with a Walkman dragging on my shorts, so
I was really excited to find that little Shuffle that clipped to my
shirt or whatever. After it broke, I looked around for a different
brand. This little player I have is just as easy to carry around, but
I find it a million times easier to use. And not one blinking light to
interpret. Heh.

nancy

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

>> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
> -snip-
>>> I got myself a Sansa Clip and found out what I was missing.
>>> $40 and I can just drag albums onto it instantly without iTunes and
>>> it has a bunch of other functions, and a display.
>>> I plan for that to be my last dip into the Apple pond.
>>> nancy
>
> [mine's a Sansa fuze- but I like it for the same reasons]

I've been saying clip for short, but it's a Clip+. Whatever that
means, I don't know the differences. That fuze looks nice, too,
somewhat larger and I imagine holds a lot more. I could get an
extra memory card if I wanted more space.

> Granted, I don't have many 21st century songs on my player-

That really made me laugh. Same here.

> I'm still in awe of my little Sansa player that sounds so much better
> than the cassettes and 8-tracks I was 'raised on'- and can hold about
> 8000 songs that I can flip through by artist, album, genre, or title.

Exactly. If I spent some time on it, I could really organize my
music any way I want it. But I'm lazy.

nancy


"Nad R" > wrote
> If the sans clip is so great, why is it NOT the best selling player?

Marketing. Why did Betamax fail? Why did IBM continue to sell the most
PC's for many years when others were better and cheaper? Why does Toyota
sell so many cars?

>
> How far do you have to drive to the nearest music store for CD's? Apple
> almost has a monopoly on the download music like Amazon with books. I have
> a shuffle, perfect for the gym, small compact, takes a beating, no
> problems
> and my shuffle is six years old.
>
> Where do you download your single tunes for your Sansa Clip?

I have a Sony and load songs from many sources including Amazon. Apple has
done a great job, but other sources are equal and easier. I bought two Sony
players for less than one Apple. Your money, your choice, but I took a
different route.

Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>
> Granted, I don't have many 21st century songs on my player-

No Lady Gaga! You must be truly living in the stone age

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On 2/20/2011 5:44 AM, Goro wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:09:58 -1000, > wrote:
>
>> On 2/19/2011 3:20 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Uhm, what does an iPad do that a
>>>> run-of-the-mill computer/laptop (PC?) doesn't? If I'm missing
>>>> something, I haven't missed it yet
>>>
>>> Boots up much faster, touch-screen, better quality screen for reading
>>> E-books. On the downside it has no keyboard, and may not run your
>>> favorite software, or may only do so at extra cost. That's probably
>>> about it.
>>
>> My assumption is that these hand-held devices are the computers of the
>> future. The performance of the iPad is startling if you consider the low
>> power consumption and battery life. As you say boot-up is remarkably
>> fast. I guess that's what comes from close integration of hardware and
>> software and not being saddled with DOS legacy issues. I like my laptop
>
> The smartest move Apple made for the i* was to create a brand new OS
> (iOS) for touch. They started it with the iPhone and then used it for
> iPad. The MS concept of effectively porting windows to the
> phone/tablet is a major fail.

It's ironic that the computer system of the future may have an OS that
originates from a phone - OS 4X or Android. We could be seeing the final
days of MS and Windows. I wonder if we'll look back on it with nostalgia
or if it'll all seem like a nightmare finally over. :-)

>
>> just fine but boot-up is slow and it's a power hog and it requires a
>> small fan to keep the CPU from overheating and shutting down. The iPad
>> keeps it's cool passively and barely gets warm. Remarkable! OTOH, Apple
>> is as evil an empire as is Microsoft. A pox on both of their houses - I
>> can't wait until something better comes along. :-)
>
> The Macbook Air is quite impressive also. Cold boot time is<15 sec.
> Not, it's not instant on as the iPad is, but it's pretty damn
> impressive. And the form factor is really close to the iPad as well.

I'm pretty ignorant of OS X, like most PCers, I resist moving over from
the dark side. :-) OTOH, 15 sounds like a dream and it's likely that the
future lies in a smaller, simpler, hand-held device running a smaller,
simpler, OS that has no ties to the past. It also seems that downloading
apps that we pick from a menu a la carte is pretty much that way to go.
In the end, Apple's ideas about computing is likely to prevail.

>
> SSD technology is helping mobile computing leap forwards very quickly.

This is true - the new frontier shouldn't be using technology using
spinning platters like a record player. :-)

>
>>> When it was introduced I read that, bizarrely, the iPad does not have a
>>> mode where it simply functions as a normal cell phone. Perhaps this
>>> has been fixed.
>>>
>>
>> I can make VoIP calls when Wi-Fi is available. OTOH, I'd just as soon
>> use my phone to make phone calls.
>
> It's not really intended as a phone. I believe iPad v2 is expected to
> have a front facing camera and so will be Facetime enabled.

I may have to stick some chewing gum over the front facing cam. :-)

>
> -goro-

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:45:44 +0000 (UTC), Nad R
> wrote:

>Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
>>
>> Granted, I don't have many 21st century songs on my player-
>
>No Lady Gaga! You must be truly living in the stone age

I said *not many*.<g> My 21st century artists include Lady Gaga,
Eminem & Josh Groban.

My taste in music is like my taste in food-- I like variety & I never
know when I'll like something until I sample some.

Jim

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 07:48:21 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

>On 2/20/2011 5:44 AM, Goro wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:09:58 -1000, > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/19/2011 3:20 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Uhm, what does an iPad do that a
>>>>> run-of-the-mill computer/laptop (PC?) doesn't? If I'm missing
>>>>> something, I haven't missed it yet
>>>>
>>>> Boots up much faster, touch-screen, better quality screen for reading
>>>> E-books. On the downside it has no keyboard, and may not run your
>>>> favorite software, or may only do so at extra cost. That's probably
>>>> about it.
>>>
>>> My assumption is that these hand-held devices are the computers of the
>>> future. The performance of the iPad is startling if you consider the low
>>> power consumption and battery life. As you say boot-up is remarkably
>>> fast. I guess that's what comes from close integration of hardware and
>>> software and not being saddled with DOS legacy issues. I like my laptop
>>
>> The smartest move Apple made for the i* was to create a brand new OS
>> (iOS) for touch. They started it with the iPhone and then used it for
>> iPad. The MS concept of effectively porting windows to the
>> phone/tablet is a major fail.
>
>It's ironic that the computer system of the future may have an OS that
>originates from a phone - OS 4X or Android. We could be seeing the final
>days of MS and Windows. I wonder if we'll look back on it with nostalgia
>or if it'll all seem like a nightmare finally over. :-)

I'm unconvinced that these auxiliary devices will ever supplant the
standalone computer. While they will outnumber the PCs (Macs incuded,
natch), i still think the need for the computer will continue and thus
gives rise to more of these narrow-mission devices.

>>
>>> just fine but boot-up is slow and it's a power hog and it requires a
>>> small fan to keep the CPU from overheating and shutting down. The iPad
>>> keeps it's cool passively and barely gets warm. Remarkable! OTOH, Apple
>>> is as evil an empire as is Microsoft. A pox on both of their houses - I
>>> can't wait until something better comes along. :-)
>>
>> The Macbook Air is quite impressive also. Cold boot time is<15 sec.
>> Not, it's not instant on as the iPad is, but it's pretty damn
>> impressive. And the form factor is really close to the iPad as well.
>
>I'm pretty ignorant of OS X, like most PCers, I resist moving over from
>the dark side. :-) OTOH, 15 sounds like a dream and it's likely that the
>future lies in a smaller, simpler, hand-held device running a smaller,
>simpler, OS that has no ties to the past. It also seems that downloading
>apps that we pick from a menu a la carte is pretty much that way to go.
>In the end, Apple's ideas about computing is likely to prevail.

the 15sec boot time is partly (mostly?) due to the SSD. In my Windoze
machines, I get ~25sec boot to XP, and 30sec to Win7 (~15sec excluding
the time for my liquid cooling system to start up).

>>
>> SSD technology is helping mobile computing leap forwards very quickly.
>
>This is true - the new frontier shouldn't be using technology using
>spinning platters like a record player. :-)

Platter HDs are likely to stay around for a long time. My 256GB SSD
was ~$700. My 2TB HD was $110. For storage needs, i definitely use
HDs, but for boot drives? definitely SSD. And for portable devices,
natch, SSD. I guess we can thank the iPod for really pushing that
technology so quickly?

>>
>>>> When it was introduced I read that, bizarrely, the iPad does not have a
>>>> mode where it simply functions as a normal cell phone. Perhaps this
>>>> has been fixed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can make VoIP calls when Wi-Fi is available. OTOH, I'd just as soon
>>> use my phone to make phone calls.
>>
>> It's not really intended as a phone. I believe iPad v2 is expected to
>> have a front facing camera and so will be Facetime enabled.
>
>I may have to stick some chewing gum over the front facing cam. :-)

lol. One of the startup exercises the MBErr walks you thru is to take
a picutre of yourself to use an an avatar. Uh, DECLINE. kthxbye!

-goro-

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:45:32 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>notbob wrote:
>> On 2011-02-20, Nad R > wrote:
>>
>>> Last time Apple shared, by allowing other computer manufactures to
>>> use their operating system, Apples profits plummeted. Then they
>>> learned and stopped doing it. This happened when Steve Jobs was not
>>> at the helm.
>>
>> Since Steve has regained the helm, Apple uses a shared OS, namely
>> unix, a shared platform, Intel, and would charge his mother to use his
>> bathroom. The guy makes Bill Gates look like Mother Teresa.
>
>After all the dedicated Mac users we keep hearing from, I thought
>I'd be a lot happier with the little Shuffle I bought. What a pain in
>the neck with the way I had to load songs onto it, interpreting the
>lights, the minimalist documentation. Long before it's time I got the
>dreaded flashing orange light that seems to mean Kiss your $70
>goodbye. I got myself a Sansa Clip and found out what I was missing.
>$40 and I can just drag albums onto it instantly without iTunes
>and it has a bunch of other functions, and a display.
>
>I plan for that to be my last dip into the Apple pond.
>
>nancy

I think the Shuffle is ok, but certainly not great. What is to keep
in mind is that there was a progression of iPod and really, the
shuffle is not meant as a person's SOLE ipod.

By the time the shuffle came out, there had been multiple flavors of
iPods for quite a while. The mission of Apple was not how to sell
someone an iPod (they had already succeeded in that), but how to sell
them ANOTHER iPod. So what we started seeing was narrow-mission
iPods, iPods with different storage and form factors for different
reasons. If i don't want a full size iPod to take to the gym, i could
get a mini... or a nano. If i wanted video and touch, i get the iPod
Touch. Then the shuffle for just a sampling of songs for a gym trip
or a bicycle trip, etc. The feature of shuffling in music from itunes
so that you can just fill it up with a bunch of songs is indicative of
how "they" expect you to use it.

So there's a built-in momentum here. If you already had 1 or 2 iPods,
your musical library is already established with iTunes, and you
decided to get a shuffle, it really becomes a relatively painless
(theoretically) effort to hook your new shuffle in and load it up with
the songs you already like.

The interface is ok, i suppose. Certainly it's usable if not great,
but given the focus on form (size/weight), that's what they came up
with. Notable is that the previous gen of the shuffle was seemingly a
failure which is why this newest one somewhat reverts to 2gen ago
shuffle. And then the newest Nano now looks like a slightly bigger
shuffle with touch screen. This is a nice interface, but there's a
tradeoff in that the size difference is noticeable, especially if you
are doing alot of movement while having it clipped on.

I'm surprised that your shuffle died on you so quickly; that might be
a Q/A issue.

btw, I really hate iTunes, also. It's a pain, slow, wtf is
"determining gapless playback"?!, hate the prompts (What exactly does
clicking "don't ask me again" do, since i get asked again each time
anyway?). BUt overall I have really enjoyed using my iPods. But if
you are happy with what you have now, that's quite excellent, too!

-goro-

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:20:10 -0600, Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> In article >,
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> When it was introduced I read that, bizarrely, the iPad does not have a
>> mode where it simply functions as a normal cell phone. Perhaps this
>> has been fixed.
>>
>> Steve
>
> (It's not a telephone.)

i'll bet it's not a pipe, either.

your pal,
rené

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 16:16:49 +0000 (UTC), Nad R wrote:

> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>>
>> Good luck, I hope you never get the blinking orange death ray.
>>
>>> Where do you download your single tunes for your Sansa Clip?
>>
>> I have a large CD collection, so I don't need to buy songs as I use
>> my Sansa for walking, but sometimes I buy songs from Amazon.
>> nancy
>
> On my shuffle, orange lights it means it needs a charge or it's
> downloading.
> Even though I have never had a problem does not mean others do.
>
> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1407
>
> I have not bought a CD in Eight years, a waist of money. Why spend $15 for
> one or two good songs when I can just down load the songs I want for a
> dollar on two.

i buy c.d.s with more than one or two good songs on them.

your pal,
blake

On 2/20/2011 8:32 AM, Goro wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 07:48:21 -1000, > wrote:
>
>> On 2/20/2011 5:44 AM, Goro wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:09:58 -1000, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/19/2011 3:20 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Uhm, what does an iPad do that a
>>>>>> run-of-the-mill computer/laptop (PC?) doesn't? If I'm missing
>>>>>> something, I haven't missed it yet
>>>>>
>>>>> Boots up much faster, touch-screen, better quality screen for reading
>>>>> E-books. On the downside it has no keyboard, and may not run your
>>>>> favorite software, or may only do so at extra cost. That's probably
>>>>> about it.
>>>>
>>>> My assumption is that these hand-held devices are the computers of the
>>>> future. The performance of the iPad is startling if you consider the low
>>>> power consumption and battery life. As you say boot-up is remarkably
>>>> fast. I guess that's what comes from close integration of hardware and
>>>> software and not being saddled with DOS legacy issues. I like my laptop
>>>
>>> The smartest move Apple made for the i* was to create a brand new OS
>>> (iOS) for touch. They started it with the iPhone and then used it for
>>> iPad. The MS concept of effectively porting windows to the
>>> phone/tablet is a major fail.
>>
>> It's ironic that the computer system of the future may have an OS that
>> originates from a phone - OS 4X or Android. We could be seeing the final
>> days of MS and Windows. I wonder if we'll look back on it with nostalgia
>> or if it'll all seem like a nightmare finally over. :-)
>
> I'm unconvinced that these auxiliary devices will ever supplant the
> standalone computer. While they will outnumber the PCs (Macs incuded,
> natch), i still think the need for the computer will continue and thus
> gives rise to more of these narrow-mission devices.
>
>>>
>>>> just fine but boot-up is slow and it's a power hog and it requires a
>>>> small fan to keep the CPU from overheating and shutting down. The iPad
>>>> keeps it's cool passively and barely gets warm. Remarkable! OTOH, Apple
>>>> is as evil an empire as is Microsoft. A pox on both of their houses - I
>>>> can't wait until something better comes along. :-)
>>>
>>> The Macbook Air is quite impressive also. Cold boot time is<15 sec.
>>> Not, it's not instant on as the iPad is, but it's pretty damn
>>> impressive. And the form factor is really close to the iPad as well.
>>
>> I'm pretty ignorant of OS X, like most PCers, I resist moving over from
>> the dark side. :-) OTOH, 15 sounds like a dream and it's likely that the
>> future lies in a smaller, simpler, hand-held device running a smaller,
>> simpler, OS that has no ties to the past. It also seems that downloading
>> apps that we pick from a menu a la carte is pretty much that way to go.
>> In the end, Apple's ideas about computing is likely to prevail.
>
> the 15sec boot time is partly (mostly?) due to the SSD. In my Windoze
> machines, I get ~25sec boot to XP, and 30sec to Win7 (~15sec excluding
> the time for my liquid cooling system to start up).

Ha ha, forget about that liquid cooling system in the new frontier. I
put together a computer with a Intel Atom processor which has a small
fan that looks like a toy - that computer is kind of slow and it has a
Linux OS, which I thought would work well with the Atom. It's sitting
under my desk unused. Hopefully, I'll be able to load in an Android OS
soon. OTOH, the iPad with a super low wattage processor and a OS that is
well suited for the A4 processor and environment works like a dream.

My newest computer has a low-end AMD Quad processor of 120 W or so. I
bought the biggest, lowest priced cooler for that and it's a monster.
I'm guessing the noise from that thing is gonna be "a little loud." All
the mounting pins for the front panel snapped off in shipping so I'm
trying to figure out how to install it. If I can't think of anything,
I'm just going to duct tape it. :-)

>
>>>
>>> SSD technology is helping mobile computing leap forwards very quickly.
>>
>> This is true - the new frontier shouldn't be using technology using
>> spinning platters like a record player. :-)
>
> Platter HDs are likely to stay around for a long time. My 256GB SSD
> was ~$700. My 2TB HD was $110. For storage needs, i definitely use
> HDs, but for boot drives? definitely SSD. And for portable devices,
> natch, SSD. I guess we can thank the iPod for really pushing that
> technology so quickly?

I was looking in my drawer the other day and saw a 1TB drive in there.
I'd forgotten that I bought one of those. My guess is that these drives
are getting too cheap. :-)

I hate to say it, but Apple is shaping the future of computing. Oh well.

>
>>>
>>>>> When it was introduced I read that, bizarrely, the iPad does not have a
>>>>> mode where it simply functions as a normal cell phone. Perhaps this
>>>>> has been fixed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can make VoIP calls when Wi-Fi is available. OTOH, I'd just as soon
>>>> use my phone to make phone calls.
>>>
>>> It's not really intended as a phone. I believe iPad v2 is expected to
>>> have a front facing camera and so will be Facetime enabled.
>>
>> I may have to stick some chewing gum over the front facing cam. :-)
>
> lol. One of the startup exercises the MBErr walks you thru is to take
> a picutre of yourself to use an an avatar. Uh, DECLINE. kthxbye!
>
> -goro-

Goro wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:45:32 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> > wrote:
>
>> notbob wrote:

>>> Since Steve has regained the helm, Apple uses a shared OS, namely
>>> unix, a shared platform, Intel, and would charge his mother to use
>>> his bathroom. The guy makes Bill Gates look like Mother Teresa.
>>
>> After all the dedicated Mac users we keep hearing from, I thought
>> I'd be a lot happier with the little Shuffle I bought. What a pain
>> in the neck with the way I had to load songs onto it, interpreting
>> the lights, the minimalist documentation. Long before it's time I
>> got the dreaded flashing orange light that seems to mean Kiss your
>> $70 goodbye. I got myself a Sansa Clip and found out what I was
>> missing. $40 and I can just drag albums onto it instantly without
>> iTunes
>> and it has a bunch of other functions, and a display.
>>
>> I plan for that to be my last dip into the Apple pond.

> I think the Shuffle is ok, but certainly not great.

I really thought it would be more fun and easy to use. I got it
done but it was kind of tedious, and next thing I know I have
iTunes bugging me all the time.

> What is to keep
> in mind is that there was a progression of iPod and really, the
> shuffle is not meant as a person's SOLE ipod.

Gotcha.

> get a mini... or a nano. If i wanted video and touch, i get the iPod
> Touch. Then the shuffle for just a sampling of songs for a gym trip
> or a bicycle trip, etc. The feature of shuffling in music from itunes
> so that you can just fill it up with a bunch of songs is indicative of
> how "they" expect you to use it.
>
> So there's a built-in momentum here. If you already had 1 or 2 iPods,
> your musical library is already established with iTunes, and you
> decided to get a shuffle, it really becomes a relatively painless
> (theoretically) effort to hook your new shuffle in and load it up with
> the songs you already like.
>
> The interface is ok, i suppose. Certainly it's usable if not great,
> but given the focus on form (size/weight), that's what they came up
> with.

Coming from the Walkman, you can imagine I was really taken
with the small size, not to mention that it was actually a beautiful
object.

> Notable is that the previous gen of the shuffle was seemingly a
> failure which is why this newest one somewhat reverts to 2gen ago
> shuffle. And then the newest Nano now looks like a slightly bigger
> shuffle with touch screen. This is a nice interface, but there's a
> tradeoff in that the size difference is noticeable, especially if you
> are doing alot of movement while having it clipped on.
>
> I'm surprised that your shuffle died on you so quickly; that might be
> a Q/A issue.

Now that I think back, it might have been flashing green and orange.
Googling gave me the idea it wasn't worth fixing, how much would
that cost.

> btw, I really hate iTunes, also. It's a pain, slow, wtf is
> "determining gapless playback"?!, hate the prompts (What exactly does
> clicking "don't ask me again" do, since i get asked again each time
> anyway?).

Heh, that's just how I remember it.

> BUt overall I have really enjoyed using my iPods. But if
> you are happy with what you have now, that's quite excellent, too!

It just seemed like here I just want something to play tunes so
I can walk (dang my feet gain 10 pounds each if I don't have music
to walk to) and all of a sudden I'm loading iTunes onto my pc and
being asked a million things I don't understand ... afraid to say Don't
ask me this again? (laugh)

I didn't like that experience of being hooked into something like
that. And when I got the Sansa and found it did everything the
shuffle did and more, only way easier, it was a breath of fresh
air for me. Operating phrase being 'for me' as I'm happy you like
your iPods and I have no quarrel with that.

nancy

blake murphy > wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:20:10 -0600, Melba's Jammin' wrote:

>> (Steve Pope) wrote:

>>> When it was introduced I read that, bizarrely, the iPad does not have a
>>> mode where it simply functions as a normal cell phone. Perhaps this
>>> has been fixed.

>> (It's not a telephone.)

I think that's what I just said.

>i'll bet it's not a pipe, either.

The issue is the iPad's predecessor product was the iPhone (same
OS and same app's), so it is odd they left that functionality out.

Steve

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:45:32 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

> Long before it's time I got the
> dreaded flashing orange light that seems to mean Kiss your $70
> goodbye. I got myself a Sansa Clip and found out what I was missing.
> $40 and I can just drag albums onto it instantly without iTunes
> and it has a bunch of other functions, and a display.
>
> I plan for that to be my last dip into the Apple pond.

Is this Sansa Clip something that can be plugged into the car stereo
system, like iPods? The only time I've dipped my toe into the Apple
pond was when forced. More than once, I was put in an Apple lab for
"training".... the day was wasted fighting with the Apple platform and
then I had to complete the classwork at home on my own PC.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:45:32 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> > wrote:
>
>> Long before it's time I got the
>> dreaded flashing orange light that seems to mean Kiss your $70
>> goodbye. I got myself a Sansa Clip and found out what I was missing.
>> $40 and I can just drag albums onto it instantly without iTunes
>> and it has a bunch of other functions, and a display.
>>
>> I plan for that to be my last dip into the Apple pond.
>
> Is this Sansa Clip something that can be plugged into the car stereo
> system, like iPods?

No, I don't think so, you couldn't do that with my Shuffle, either,
*that I know of* ... maybe someone here knows better.

> The only time I've dipped my toe into the Apple
> pond was when forced. More than once, I was put in an Apple lab for
> "training".... the day was wasted fighting with the Apple platform and
> then I had to complete the classwork at home on my own PC.

Ugh, very time consuming.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:45:32 -0500, "Nancy Young"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Long before it's time I got the
>>> dreaded flashing orange light that seems to mean Kiss your $70
>>> goodbye. I got myself a Sansa Clip and found out what I was missing.
>>> $40 and I can just drag albums onto it instantly without iTunes
>>> and it has a bunch of other functions, and a display.
>>>
>>> I plan for that to be my last dip into the Apple pond.
>>
>> Is this Sansa Clip something that can be plugged into the car stereo
>> system, like iPods?
>
>No, I don't think so, you couldn't do that with my Shuffle, either,
>*that I know of* ... maybe someone here knows better.

Does the clip have headphones that plug in? Does your car have a
1/8 stereo plug for the radio? A lot of newer cars & stereos have
auxiliary plugs. That's how my wife plays her Fuze in her Focus. A
$6 3.5 male/male cord from Radio Shack does the trick. [or $2 at
Amazon for a retractable one-
http://www.amazon.com/3-5mm-Aux-Cabl...44739&sr =8-3

She has a bluetooth adapter that would also work in the car if she
cared to read that much of the manual.<g>

I play my Fuze in my old Impala through the cassette player. [usually
works fine- but relies on radio waves so there are some areas where it
just won't work]

I have another gadget that will attach through the FM antenna & is
supposed to be more reliable- but that will involve some labor to
install.

Jim

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:12 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

> Ugh, very time consuming.

Yes, they were things I wanted to learn and would have enjoyed the
process is the classes weren't in an Mac lab.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote:

>>sf wrote:

>>> Is this Sansa Clip something that can be plugged into the car stereo
>>> system, like iPods?
>>
>> No, I don't think so, you couldn't do that with my Shuffle, either,
>> *that I know of* ... maybe someone here knows better.
>
> Does the clip have headphones that plug in? Does your car have a
> 1/8 stereo plug for the radio?

Yes to the first question, I don't know to the second. It has AM/FM/
XM/6 CD changer, I'm not even in the car enough to use all
that. (laugh) In a few weeks we're getting a new car, I'm sure
it will have that stereo plug.

> A lot of newer cars & stereos have
> auxiliary plugs. That's how my wife plays her Fuze in her Focus. A
> $6 3.5 male/male cord from Radio Shack does the trick. [or $2 at
> Amazon for a retractable one-
> http://www.amazon.com/3-5mm-Aux-Cabl...44739&sr =8-3

Oh, I see. That's cool.

> She has a bluetooth adapter that would also work in the car if she
> cared to read that much of the manual.<g>

(laugh) I hit the wrong button one day and a voice asked me about
making a call, I had a heart attack. That's my experience with
bluetooth, my car has that. And I'm not hitting that button again.
Manual or no.

> I play my Fuze in my old Impala through the cassette player. [usually
> works fine- but relies on radio waves so there are some areas where it
> just won't work]

Wow.

> I have another gadget that will attach through the FM antenna & is
> supposed to be more reliable- but that will involve some labor to
> install.

You certainly know a lot about this stuff, and I bet sf can play her
Sansa/whatever in her car.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote:

>Jim Elbrecht wrote:

-snip-
>
>> She has a bluetooth adapter that would also work in the car if she
>> cared to read that much of the manual.<g>
>
>(laugh) I hit the wrong button one day and a voice asked me about
>making a call, I had a heart attack. That's my experience with
>bluetooth, my car has that. And I'm not hitting that button again.
>Manual or no.

Isn't it funny what things make great sales pitches-- but when it
comes down to it, aren't worth the effort [to most of us] to study a
manual?
>
>> I play my Fuze in my old Impala through the cassette player. [usually
>> works fine- but relies on radio waves so there are some areas where it
>> just won't work]
>

That was a brain fart. The *first* thing I used was a cassette
adapter. The sound was great, but the Impala has some weird
auto-eject thing that just won't behave. [so if you have a 2000-2005
GM you might have troubles]

I replaced it with a gadget that plugs into the lighter and the
headphone jack of the mp3 player. *That one* transmits using FM radio
waves. [about $10, I think] Usually fine- but not perfect.

>Wow.
>
>> I have another gadget that will attach through the FM antenna & is
>> supposed to be more reliable- but that will involve some labor to
>> install.
>
>You certainly know a lot about this stuff, and I bet sf can play her
>Sansa/whatever in her car.

It helps to have a 23 yr old audiophile in the house-- but just in
case you haven't seen it yet- Sansa has an excellent bunch of forums
on their site-
http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Sansa-MP3-players/ct-p/mp3

Jim