I just saw a news item about obesity in Canada. Apparently it is a
growing problem among youth. One of the women interviewed suggested that
this may be the first generation of Canadians that does not outlive
their parents.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
om...
>I just saw a news item about obesity in Canada. Apparently it is a growing
>problem among youth. One of the women interviewed suggested that this may
>be the first generation of Canadians that does not outlive their parents.

Sounds like someone needs to call Michelle about that. I'm sure she would
happily appoint a crew of her friends, errrrrrr, associates, to study the
problem...............

After all, she's an expert on obesity.

Steve

On 2011-01-03, Mr Bill > wrote:

> Jackie O had a "pill box" hat on...Michelle has an ice cream cone in
> her hand every time she is photographed!

Yes, the relationship is instantly apparent. Or not.

nb

On Jan 3, 10:43*am, "Steve B" > wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>
> om...
>
> >I just saw a news item about obesity in Canada. Apparently it is a growing
> >problem among youth. One of the women interviewed suggested that this may
> >be the first generation of Canadians that does not outlive their parents..
>
> Sounds like someone needs to call Michelle about that. *I'm sure she would
> happily appoint a crew of her friends, errrrrrr, associates, to study the
> problem...............
>
> After all, she's an expert on obesity.
>

Not being part of the US, however, Canada has its own First Lady --
Sharon Johnston.

On Jan 3, 11:53*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> I just saw a news item about obesity in Canada. Apparently it is a
> growing problem among youth. One of the women interviewed suggested that
> this may be the first generation of Canadians that does not outlive
> their parents.

Well us gluttonous Americans couldn't be expected to keep our fat
asses inside the lines for long, eh?

It has been my understanding for about a decade that the growing
obesity problem in the U.S. has pretty much had a 1:1 counterpart in
Canada. Canada reports it less (their news is less about
sensationalism) but generally all the same bad lifestyle habits that
the U.S. has developed in the last 25-30 years, Canada has also
adopted.

Europe (and especially England) are also blowing up. They've got a
long ways to go before they reach the same size as North America, but
they're on the way.

-J

On 04/01/2011 12:32 AM, Stu wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:57:19 -0800 (PST), projectile vomit chick
> > wrote:
>
>> On Jan 3, 11:53 am, Dave > wrote:
>>> I just saw a news item about obesity in Canada. Apparently it is a
>>> growing problem among youth. One of the women interviewed suggested that
>>> this may be the first generation of Canadians that does not outlive
>>> their parents.
>>
>> Well us gluttonous Americans couldn't be expected to keep our fat
>> asses inside the lines for long, eh?
>
> North American youth are for the most part over weight, who's fault is
> it, theirs and their parents.

It is not just North America. It is starting to become a problem in
several European countries.

On 04/01/2011 1:08 AM, phaeton wrote:
> It has been my understanding for about a decade that the growing
> obesity problem in the U.S. has pretty much had a 1:1 counterpart in
> Canada. Canada reports it less (their news is less about
> sensationalism) but generally all the same bad lifestyle habits that
> the U.S. has developed in the last 25-30 years, Canada has also
> adopted.
>

There is no doubt in my mind that kids seems to be a little fatter these
days. I think that where we differ is in the really, really, really fat
people.

I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or than
Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be. The thing
that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat people. Within
minutes of crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usually
see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how people allow
themselves to get that fat. Maybe I should rephrase that to allowing
their loived ones to get that fat, because people the size I am thinking
of do not do it on their own. They are enabled.



> Europe (and especially England) are also blowing up. They've got a
> long ways to go before they reach the same size as North America, but
> they're on the way.
>
> -J

On Jan 6, 10:46*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 04/01/2011 1:08 AM, phaeton wrote:
>
> > It has been my understanding for about a decade that the growing
> > obesity problem in the U.S. has pretty much had a 1:1 counterpart in
> > Canada. *Canada reports it less (their news is less about
> > sensationalism) but generally all the same bad lifestyle habits that
> > the U.S. has developed in the last 25-30 years, Canada has also
> > adopted.
>
> There is no doubt in my mind that kids seems to be a little fatter these
> days. I think that where we differ is in the really, really, really fat
> people.
>
> I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or than
> Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be. *The thing
> that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat people. *Within
> minutes of crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usually
> see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how people allow
> themselves to get that fat. *Maybe I should rephrase that to allowing
> their loived ones to get that fat, because people the size I am thinking
> of do not do it on their own. They are enabled.
>

True. I'm not exactly in tip-top shape myself, but I'm certainly not
grotesque.

On the very rare occasions that I shop at Wal-Mart though, (because I
have to, not because I want to) I find that I'm often the thinnest
person in the store. I mean, whole families whose BMI is probably in
the upper 40s and stuff. I never buy the "its my genes" thing when
people are that huge. I look in their cart and I see stuff like hot
pockets, hamburger helper, bags of chips and several 24-packs of
soda. No actual 'food'. The last time I was there it was a mother
and her two daughters. All three of them were on scooters, and the
mother was on oxygen. I can't imagine what a pathetic existence that
would be.

On Jan 6, 11:46*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 04/01/2011 1:08 AM, phaeton wrote:
>
> > It has been my understanding for about a decade that the growing
> > obesity problem in the U.S. has pretty much had a 1:1 counterpart in
> > Canada. *Canada reports it less (their news is less about
> > sensationalism) but generally all the same bad lifestyle habits that
> > the U.S. has developed in the last 25-30 years, Canada has also
> > adopted.
>
> There is no doubt in my mind that kids seems to be a little fatter these
> days. I think that where we differ is in the really, really, really fat
> people.
>
> I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or than
> Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be. *The thing
> that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat people. *Within
> minutes of crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usually
> see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how people allow
> themselves to get that fat. *Maybe I should rephrase that to allowing
> their loived ones to get that fat, because people the size I am thinking
> of do not do it on their own. They are enabled.

Here's the difference between a thin man and a fat man:

When the thin man notices his trousers are getting a little snug,
he says, "Got to lose a few pounds". The fat man says "Got to
buy bigger pants."

You'd probably say that my husband and I are really, really fat.
We are. I'm about 260 (5' 8"), and he's about 360 (5' 5").
It's not difficult to allow oneself to get that fat. Gain 10
pounds a year for 12 years (or 5 pounds a year for 24 years),
and you're 120 pounds overweight. It's really not that difficult.
Five or ten pounds is barley noticeable; I have to change by 20
pounds to need a different clothing size.

Cindy Hamilton

On Jan 6, 11:29*am, phaeton > wrote:
> On Jan 6, 10:46*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 04/01/2011 1:08 AM, phaeton wrote:
>
> > > It has been my understanding for about a decade that the growing
> > > obesity problem in the U.S. has pretty much had a 1:1 counterpart in
> > > Canada. *Canada reports it less (their news is less about
> > > sensationalism) but generally all the same bad lifestyle habits that
> > > the U.S. has developed in the last 25-30 years, Canada has also
> > > adopted.
>
> > There is no doubt in my mind that kids seems to be a little fatter these
> > days. I think that where we differ is in the really, really, really fat
> > people.
>
> > I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or than
> > Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be. *The thing
> > that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat people. *Within
> > minutes of crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usually
> > see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how people allow
> > themselves to get that fat. *Maybe I should rephrase that to allowing
> > their loived ones to get that fat, because people the size I am thinking
> > of do not do it on their own. They are enabled.
>
> True. *I'm not exactly in tip-top shape myself, but I'm certainly not
> grotesque.
>
> On the very rare occasions that I shop at Wal-Mart though, *(because I
> have to, not because I want to) I find that I'm often the thinnest
> person in the store. *I mean, whole families whose BMI is probably in
> the upper 40s and stuff. *I never buy the "its my genes" thing when
> people are that huge. *I look in their cart and I see stuff like hot
> pockets, hamburger helper, bags of chips and several 24-packs of
> soda. *No actual 'food'. *The last time I was there it was a mother
> and her two daughters. *All three of them were on scooters, and the
> mother was on oxygen. *I can't imagine what a pathetic existence that
> would be.

LOL!!

Can you imagine what their house looked/smelled like? Egads!

On 06/01/2011 1:18 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>>
>> I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or than
>> Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be. The thing
>> that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat people. Within
>> minutes of crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usually
>> see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how people allow
>> themselves to get that fat. Maybe I should rephrase that to allowing
>> their loived ones to get that fat, because people the size I am thinking
>> of do not do it on their own. They are enabled.
>
> Here's the difference between a thin man and a fat man:
>
> When the thin man notices his trousers are getting a little snug,
> he says, "Got to lose a few pounds". The fat man says "Got to
> buy bigger pants."

I have been working the pounds off bit by bit. My long range goal had
been to lose weight through exercise because I found that diets alone
don't work on the long run. You lose weight quickly but then you usually
gain it back with interest. While I was working on that I weighed myself
every morning and if my weight was up I skipped some treats and did
extra exercise.



> You'd probably say that my husband and I are really, really fat.
> We are. I'm about 260 (5' 8"), and he's about 360 (5' 5").
> It's not difficult to allow oneself to get that fat. Gain 10
> pounds a year for 12 years (or 5 pounds a year for 24 years),
> and you're 120 pounds overweight. It's really not that difficult.
> Five or ten pounds is barley noticeable; I have to change by 20
> pounds to need a different clothing size.


I have to hand it do you for being so candid about that and respectfully
ask if there is a point where you just give up and figure that it is now
out of your hands? I am trying to picture how large your husband is. He
is 7" shorter than me and has more than 100 pounds on me. A change in
pant size for me is closer to 10 pounds.

"Jinx Minx" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Jan 6, 11:46 am, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> On 04/01/2011 1:08 AM, phaeton wrote:
>>
>> > It has been my understanding for about a decade that the growing
>> > obesity problem in the U.S. has pretty much had a 1:1 counterpart in
>> > Canada. Canada reports it less (their news is less about
>> > sensationalism) but generally all the same bad lifestyle habits that
>> > the U.S. has developed in the last 25-30 years, Canada has also
>> > adopted.
>>
>> There is no doubt in my mind that kids seems to be a little fatter these
>> days. I think that where we differ is in the really, really, really fat
>> people.
>>
>> I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or than
>> Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be. The thing
>> that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat people. Within
>> minutes of crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usually
>> see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how people allow
>> themselves to get that fat. Maybe I should rephrase that to allowing
>> their loived ones to get that fat, because people the size I am thinking
>> of do not do it on their own. They are enabled.
>
> Here's the difference between a thin man and a fat man:
>
> When the thin man notices his trousers are getting a little snug,
> he says, "Got to lose a few pounds". The fat man says "Got to
> buy bigger pants."
>
> You'd probably say that my husband and I are really, really fat.
> We are. I'm about 260 (5' 8"), and he's about 360 (5' 5").

Christ! You are borderline morbidly obese (39.5 BMI) and he's well into it
(59.9BMI).

"graham" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jinx Minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Jan 6, 11:46 am, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>> On 04/01/2011 1:08 AM, phaeton wrote:
>>>
>>> > It has been my understanding for about a decade that the growing
>>> > obesity problem in the U.S. has pretty much had a 1:1 counterpart in
>>> > Canada. Canada reports it less (their news is less about
>>> > sensationalism) but generally all the same bad lifestyle habits that
>>> > the U.S. has developed in the last 25-30 years, Canada has also
>>> > adopted.
>>>
>>> There is no doubt in my mind that kids seems to be a little fatter these
>>> days. I think that where we differ is in the really, really, really fat
>>> people.
>>>
>>> I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or than
>>> Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be. The thing
>>> that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat people. Within
>>> minutes of crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usually
>>> see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how people allow
>>> themselves to get that fat. Maybe I should rephrase that to allowing
>>> their loived ones to get that fat, because people the size I am thinking
>>> of do not do it on their own. They are enabled.
>>
>> Here's the difference between a thin man and a fat man:
>>
>> When the thin man notices his trousers are getting a little snug,
>> he says, "Got to lose a few pounds". The fat man says "Got to
>> buy bigger pants."
>>
>> You'd probably say that my husband and I are really, really fat.
>> We are. I'm about 260 (5' 8"), and he's about 360 (5' 5").
>
> Christ! You are borderline morbidly obese (39.5 BMI) and he's well into it
> (59.9BMI).
>

*I* didn't write that. Your attributions are wrong. *My* BMI is 22.

Jinx

On Jan 7, 12:09*am, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote:
> On Thu 06 Jan 2011 11:18:09a, Cindy Hamilton told us...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 11:46 am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> >> On 04/01/2011 1:08 AM, phaeton wrote:
>
> >> > It has been my understanding for about a decade that the
> >> > growing obesity problem in the U.S. has pretty much had a 1:1
> >> > counterpart in Canada. Canada reports it less (their news is
> >> > less about sensationalism) but generally all the same bad
> >> > lifestyle habits that the U.S. has developed in the last 25-30
> >> > years, Canada has also adopted.
>
> >> There is no doubt in my mind that kids seems to be a little
> >> fatter these days. I think that where we differ is in the really,
> >> really, really fat people.
>
> >> I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or
> >> than Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be.
> >> The thing that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat
> >> people. Within minutes of crossing the border I see people way
> >> fatter than you usually see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I
> >> don't know how people allow themselves to get that fat. Maybe I
> >> should rephrase that to allowing their loived ones to get that
> >> fat, because people the size I am thinking of do not do it on
> >> their own. They are enabled.
>
> > Here's the difference between a thin man and a fat man:
>
> > When the thin man notices his trousers are getting a little snug,
> > he says, "Got to lose a few pounds". *The fat man says "Got to
> > buy bigger pants."
>
> > You'd probably say that my husband and I are really, really fat.
> > We are. *I'm about 260 (5' 8"), and he's about 360 (5' 5").
> > It's not difficult to allow oneself to get that fat. *Gain 10
> > pounds a year for 12 years (or 5 pounds a year for 24 years),
> > and you're 120 pounds overweight. * It's really not that
> > difficult. Five or ten pounds is barley noticeable; I have to
> > change by 20 pounds to need a different clothing size.
>
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> A doctor would say that you are both morbidly obese. *I can say that
> freely because I am 5'9" and currently weigh 260, and this is how my
> doctor categorized my weight. *The excess weight is exacerbating
> heavily on other health issues. *David and I are both starting on a
> Weight Watcher's program after we move on the 20th. *We were both
> very successful with WW before, both achieving our goal weight. *
> Unfortunately, we both really need to be monitored to maintain our
> proper weight and made the mistake of not continuing to go to the
> meetings for monitoring and support.

Gee, and hanging around RFC and talking about food all the time really
helps too I bet.....

On Jan 6, 9:23*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 06/01/2011 1:18 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>
> >> I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or than
> >> Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be. *The thing
> >> that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat people. *Within
> >> minutes of crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usually
> >> see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how people allow
> >> themselves to get that fat. *Maybe I should rephrase that to allowing
> >> their loived ones to get that fat, because people the size I am thinking
> >> of do not do it on their own. They are enabled.
>
> > Here's the difference between a thin man and a fat man:
>
> > When the thin man notices his trousers are getting a little snug,
> > he says, "Got to lose a few pounds". *The fat man says "Got to
> > buy bigger pants."
>
> I have been working the pounds off bit by bit. My long range goal had
> been to lose weight through exercise because I found that diets alone
> don't work on the long run. You lose weight quickly but then you usually
> gain it back with interest. While I was working on that I weighed myself
> every morning and if my weight was up I skipped some treats and did
> extra exercise.
>
> > You'd probably say that my husband and I are really, really fat.
> > We are. *I'm about 260 (5' 8"), and he's about 360 (5' 5").
> > It's not difficult to allow oneself to get that fat. *Gain 10
> > pounds a year for 12 years (or 5 pounds a year for 24 years),
> > and you're 120 pounds overweight. * It's really not that difficult.
> > Five or ten pounds is barley noticeable; I have to change by 20
> > pounds to need a different clothing size.
>
> I have to hand it do you for being so candid about that and respectfully
> ask if there is a point where you just give up and figure that it is now
> out of your hands?

Oh, we never exactly give up. But we never exactly buckle down
and do what's necessary to lose the weight. The exercise is
the sticking point for both of us. Generally we're fitter in October
than we are in March, because we enjoy working on home
improvement projects.

>I am trying to picture how large your husband is.

Here's a picture (sorry the rocket thingy is there; he's
the picture-taker in the family, so I don't have very many
of him):

http://www.adi.com/~hamilton/image001.jpg

It's from 2006, so he might have been more like 340 then.
It's so difficult for me to tell; I see him every day.

>He
> is 7" shorter than me and has more than 100 pounds on me. *A change in
> pant size for me is closer to 10 pounds.

Women's clothes are so irregularly sized, the same size
can fit wildly differently. Men wouldn't stand for it. (I've
got a couple of 3x blouses that are really more like 2x.
And don't get me started on pants. Why can't we go
by inches like you fellas do?) Generally, my "dress size"
is 10% of my weight. So to go from a 26 to a 24, I'd have
to lose 20 pounds. It would be different if I were much
taller or shorter, of course.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 06:35:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Jan 6, 9:23*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> On 06/01/2011 1:18 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >> I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or than
>> >> Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be. *The thing
>> >> that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat people. *Within
>> >> minutes of crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usually
>> >> see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how people allow
>> >> themselves to get that fat. *Maybe I should rephrase that to allowing
>> >> their loived ones to get that fat, because people the size I am thinking
>> >> of do not do it on their own. They are enabled.
>>
>> > Here's the difference between a thin man and a fat man:
>>
>> > When the thin man notices his trousers are getting a little snug,
>> > he says, "Got to lose a few pounds". *The fat man says "Got to
>> > buy bigger pants."
>>
>> I have been working the pounds off bit by bit. My long range goal had
>> been to lose weight through exercise because I found that diets alone
>> don't work on the long run. You lose weight quickly but then you usually
>> gain it back with interest. While I was working on that I weighed myself
>> every morning and if my weight was up I skipped some treats and did
>> extra exercise.
>>
>> > You'd probably say that my husband and I are really, really fat.
>> > We are. *I'm about 260 (5' 8"), and he's about 360 (5' 5").
>> > It's not difficult to allow oneself to get that fat. *Gain 10
>> > pounds a year for 12 years (or 5 pounds a year for 24 years),
>> > and you're 120 pounds overweight. * It's really not that difficult.
>> > Five or ten pounds is barley noticeable; I have to change by 20
>> > pounds to need a different clothing size.
>>
>> I have to hand it do you for being so candid about that and respectfully
>> ask if there is a point where you just give up and figure that it is now
>> out of your hands?
>
>Oh, we never exactly give up. But we never exactly buckle down
>and do what's necessary to lose the weight. The exercise is
>the sticking point for both of us. Generally we're fitter in October
>than we are in March, because we enjoy working on home
>improvement projects.
>
>>I am trying to picture how large your husband is.
>
>Here's a picture (sorry the rocket thingy is there; he's
>the picture-taker in the family, so I don't have very many
>of him):
>
>http://www.adi.com/~hamilton/image001.jpg
>
>It's from 2006, so he might have been more like 340 then.
>It's so difficult for me to tell; I see him every day.
>
>>He
>> is 7" shorter than me and has more than 100 pounds on me. *A change in
>> pant size for me is closer to 10 pounds.
>
>Women's clothes are so irregularly sized, the same size
>can fit wildly differently. Men wouldn't stand for it. (I've
>got a couple of 3x blouses that are really more like 2x.
>And don't get me started on pants. Why can't we go
>by inches like you fellas do?) Generally, my "dress size"
>is 10% of my weight. So to go from a 26 to a 24, I'd have
>to lose 20 pounds. It would be different if I were much
>taller or shorter, of course.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Making excuses about how clothing is sized is just a silly alibi. The
best way for yoose to lose weight is to place poster size pictures of
yourselves on the fridge and place full length mirrors in every room.

On 06/01/2011 11:39 PM, Jinx Minx wrote:

>> Christ! You are borderline morbidly obese (39.5 BMI) and he's well into it
>> (59.9BMI).
>>
>
> *I* didn't write that. Your attributions are wrong. *My* BMI is 22.


Mine is 34 and I have a few extra pounds but am not obese. I am just a
few pounds more than I was when I was in my early 20s and trying to get
into the army. My doctor said that my height to weight ratio
disqualified me but he didn't think that it should because I was big and
muscular but not fat. I ended up not going, but I was accepted.
Even at my heaviest I was taking equestrian jumping lessons.

AAMOF I had an appointment with my cardiac surgeon yesterday. He was not
at all concerned about my weight and approved of my cardio vascualr
exercise program but does not want me to resume the upper body weight
programs because of my size. He said that I am a big man with big ribs
and they are going to take longer to heal because of their size. He said
that he spent a lot of time wiring me back together and doesn't want his
good work to be pulled apart.

On Jan 7, 11:34*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 06:35:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Jan 6, 9:23 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> >> On 06/01/2011 1:18 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> >> >> I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or than
> >> >> Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be. The thing
> >> >> that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat people. Within
> >> >> minutes of crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usually
> >> >> see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how people allow
> >> >> themselves to get that fat. Maybe I should rephrase that to allowing
> >> >> their loived ones to get that fat, because people the size I am thinking
> >> >> of do not do it on their own. They are enabled.
>
> >> > Here's the difference between a thin man and a fat man:
>
> >> > When the thin man notices his trousers are getting a little snug,
> >> > he says, "Got to lose a few pounds". The fat man says "Got to
> >> > buy bigger pants."
>
> >> I have been working the pounds off bit by bit. My long range goal had
> >> been to lose weight through exercise because I found that diets alone
> >> don't work on the long run. You lose weight quickly but then you usually
> >> gain it back with interest. While I was working on that I weighed myself
> >> every morning and if my weight was up I skipped some treats and did
> >> extra exercise.
>
> >> > You'd probably say that my husband and I are really, really fat.
> >> > We are. I'm about 260 (5' 8"), and he's about 360 (5' 5").
> >> > It's not difficult to allow oneself to get that fat. Gain 10
> >> > pounds a year for 12 years (or 5 pounds a year for 24 years),
> >> > and you're 120 pounds overweight. It's really not that difficult.
> >> > Five or ten pounds is barley noticeable; I have to change by 20
> >> > pounds to need a different clothing size.
>
> >> I have to hand it do you for being so candid about that and respectfully
> >> ask if there is a point where you just give up and figure that it is now
> >> out of your hands?
>
> >Oh, we never exactly give up. *But we never exactly buckle down
> >and do what's necessary to lose the weight. *The exercise is
> >the sticking point for both of us. *Generally we're fitter in October
> >than we are in March, because we enjoy working on home
> >improvement projects.
>
> >>I am trying to picture how large your husband is.
>
> >Here's a picture (sorry the rocket thingy is there; he's
> >the picture-taker in the family, so I don't have very many
> >of him):
>
> >http://www.adi.com/~hamilton/image001.jpg
>
> >It's from 2006, so he might have been more like 340 then.
> >It's so difficult for me to tell; I see him every day.
>
> >>He
> >> is 7" shorter than me and has more than 100 pounds on me. A change in
> >> pant size for me is closer to 10 pounds.
>
> >Women's clothes are so irregularly sized, the same size
> >can fit wildly differently. *Men wouldn't stand for it. *(I've
> >got a couple of 3x blouses that are really more like 2x.
> >And don't get me started on pants. *Why can't we go
> >by inches like you fellas do?) *Generally, my "dress size"
> >is 10% of my weight. *So to go from a 26 to a 24, I'd have
> >to lose 20 pounds. *It would be different if I were much
> >taller or shorter, of course.
>
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> Making excuses about how clothing is sized is just a silly alibi. *The
> best way for yoose to lose weight is to place poster size pictures of
> yourselves on the fridge and place full length mirrors in every room.

Thank you for your advice. I'm glad it will be so simple.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:16:04 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> Thank you for your advice. I'm glad it will be so simple.

Weight Watchers is online now. I'm interested in their online tools.
http://www.weigh****chers.com/plan/www/tools.aspx I've only done WW
once, but at the time I bought what was probably their first cookbook
and cooked from it. The recipes were tasty and I lost weight.
Weighing portions, especially in the beginning to train my eye, was an
absolute must.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Jan 7, 3:20*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote:
> On Fri 07 Jan 2011 11:16:04a, Cindy Hamilton told us...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 11:34 am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 06:35:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >On Jan 6, 9:23 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> >> >> On 06/01/2011 1:18 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> >> >> >> I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than
> >> >> >> Canadians or t han Europeans. A lot of Americans are very
> >> >> >> fit, or appear to be. The th ing that puzzles me is the
> >> >> >> number of really, really fat people. Within minutes of
> >> >> >> crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usu
> >> >> >> ally see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how
> >> >> >> people allow themselves to get that fat. Maybe I should
> >> >> >> rephrase that to allowin g their loived ones to get that
> >> >> >> fat, because people the size I am thi nking of do not do it
> >> >> >> on their own. They are enabled.
>
> >> >> > Here's the difference between a thin man and a fat man:
>
> >> >> > When the thin man notices his trousers are getting a little
> >> >> > snug, he says, "Got to lose a few pounds". The fat man says
> >> >> > "Got to buy bigger pants."
>
> >> >> I have been working the pounds off bit by bit. My long range
> >> >> goal had been to lose weight through exercise because I found
> >> >> that diets alone don't work on the long run. You lose weight
> >> >> quickly but then you usual ly gain it back with interest.
> >> >> While I was working on that I weighed myse lf every morning
> >> >> and if my weight was up I skipped some treats and did extra
> >> >> exercise.
>
> >> >> > You'd probably say that my husband and I are really, really
> >> >> > fat. We are. I'm about 260 (5' 8"), and he's about 360 (5'
> >> >> > 5"). It's not difficult to allow oneself to get that fat.
> >> >> > Gain 10 pounds a year for 12 years (or 5 pounds a year for
> >> >> > 24 years), and you're 120 pounds overweight. It's really not
> >> >> > that difficult. Five or ten pounds is barley noticeable; I
> >> >> > have to change by 20 pounds to need a different clothing
> >> >> > size.
>
> >> >> I have to hand it do you for being so candid about that and
> >> >> respectful ly ask if there is a point where you just give up
> >> >> and figure that it is n ow out of your hands?
>
> >> >Oh, we never exactly give up. But we never exactly buckle down
> >> >and do what's necessary to lose the weight. The exercise is
> >> >the sticking point for both of us. Generally we're fitter in
> >> >October than we are in March, because we enjoy working on home
> >> >improvement projects.
>
> >> >>I am trying to picture how large your husband is.
>
> >> >Here's a picture (sorry the rocket thingy is there; he's
> >> >the picture-taker in the family, so I don't have very many of
> >> >him):
>
> >> >http://www.adi.com/~hamilton/image001.jpg
>
> >> >It's from 2006, so he might have been more like 340 then.
> >> >It's so difficult for me to tell; I see him every day.
>
> >> >>He
> >> >> is 7" shorter than me and has more than 100 pounds on me. A
> >> >> change in pant size for me is closer to 10 pounds.
>
> >> >Women's clothes are so irregularly sized, the same size
> >> >can fit wildly differently. Men wouldn't stand for it. (I've
> >> >got a couple of 3x blouses that are really more like 2x.
> >> >And don't get me started on pants. Why can't we go
> >> >by inches like you fellas do?) Generally, my "dress size"
> >> >is 10% of my weight. So to go from a 26 to a 24, I'd have
> >> >to lose 20 pounds. It would be different if I were much taller
> >> >or shorter, of course.
>
> >> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> >> Making excuses about how clothing is sized is just a silly alibi.
> >> The best way for yoose to lose weight is to place poster size
> >> pictures of yourselves on the fridge and place full length
> >> mirrors in every room.
>
> > Thank you for your advice. *I'm glad it will be so simple.
>
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> I hope I didn't offend in my earlier post, Cindy, as my comments
> weren't meant to. *

Not at all. I was responding dryly to Sheldon; I definitely should
have snipped more.

> I worry about myself and my partner, and at you
> and your husband's weights, I will worry about you. *

Thank you. I worry, too, but apparently not enough.
It's difficult to get cooperation from my husband;
and it's hard for there to be only one dieter in the
house.


Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:16:04 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Jan 7, 11:34*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 06:35:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >On Jan 6, 9:23 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> >> On 06/01/2011 1:18 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> >> >> I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or than
>> >> >> Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be. The thing
>> >> >> that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat people. Within
>> >> >> minutes of crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usually
>> >> >> see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how people allow
>> >> >> themselves to get that fat. Maybe I should rephrase that to allowing
>> >> >> their loived ones to get that fat, because people the size I am thinking
>> >> >> of do not do it on their own. They are enabled.
>>
>> >> > Here's the difference between a thin man and a fat man:
>>
>> >> > When the thin man notices his trousers are getting a little snug,
>> >> > he says, "Got to lose a few pounds". The fat man says "Got to
>> >> > buy bigger pants."
>>
>> >> I have been working the pounds off bit by bit. My long range goal had
>> >> been to lose weight through exercise because I found that diets alone
>> >> don't work on the long run. You lose weight quickly but then you usually
>> >> gain it back with interest. While I was working on that I weighed myself
>> >> every morning and if my weight was up I skipped some treats and did
>> >> extra exercise.
>>
>> >> > You'd probably say that my husband and I are really, really fat.
>> >> > We are. I'm about 260 (5' 8"), and he's about 360 (5' 5").
>> >> > It's not difficult to allow oneself to get that fat. Gain 10
>> >> > pounds a year for 12 years (or 5 pounds a year for 24 years),
>> >> > and you're 120 pounds overweight. It's really not that difficult.
>> >> > Five or ten pounds is barley noticeable; I have to change by 20
>> >> > pounds to need a different clothing size.
>>
>> >> I have to hand it do you for being so candid about that and respectfully
>> >> ask if there is a point where you just give up and figure that it is now
>> >> out of your hands?
>>
>> >Oh, we never exactly give up. *But we never exactly buckle down
>> >and do what's necessary to lose the weight. *The exercise is
>> >the sticking point for both of us. *Generally we're fitter in October
>> >than we are in March, because we enjoy working on home
>> >improvement projects.
>>
>> >>I am trying to picture how large your husband is.
>>
>> >Here's a picture (sorry the rocket thingy is there; he's
>> >the picture-taker in the family, so I don't have very many
>> >of him):
>>
>> >http://www.adi.com/~hamilton/image001.jpg
>>
>> >It's from 2006, so he might have been more like 340 then.
>> >It's so difficult for me to tell; I see him every day.
>>
>> >>He
>> >> is 7" shorter than me and has more than 100 pounds on me. A change in
>> >> pant size for me is closer to 10 pounds.
>>
>> >Women's clothes are so irregularly sized, the same size
>> >can fit wildly differently. *Men wouldn't stand for it. *(I've
>> >got a couple of 3x blouses that are really more like 2x.
>> >And don't get me started on pants. *Why can't we go
>> >by inches like you fellas do?) *Generally, my "dress size"
>> >is 10% of my weight. *So to go from a 26 to a 24, I'd have
>> >to lose 20 pounds. *It would be different if I were much
>> >taller or shorter, of course.
>>
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Making excuses about how clothing is sized is just a silly alibi. *The
>> best way for yoose to lose weight is to place poster size pictures of
>> yourselves on the fridge and place full length mirrors in every room.
>
>Thank you for your advice. I'm glad it will be so simple.

That kind of snide remark is very telling.

Actually it's even more simple, simply don't eat so much. One needs
to consume a ton of calories on a daily basis to maintain those
weights... that range of excessive weight is not from random
indulgences. And when both people living together maintain that kind
of weight and over a long period there are emotional issues being
fed... very likely lack of enjoyment from the relationsip transfered
to deriving enjoyment from gluttony... this is a classic case of
misery wanting company. You two need a lot more serious intervention
than weight watchers

On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:37:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

> Thank you. I worry, too, but apparently not enough.
> It's difficult to get cooperation from my husband;
> and it's hard for there to be only one dieter in the
> house.

If you started with one little thing, like cutting back on saturated
fats - he'd be dieting and wouldn't even know it.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On Jan 7, 8:34*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 06:35:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Jan 6, 9:23 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> >> On 06/01/2011 1:18 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> >> >> I am not going to say that Americans are fatter than Canadians or than
> >> >> Europeans. A lot of Americans are very fit, or appear to be. The thing
> >> >> that puzzles me is the number of really, really fat people. Within
> >> >> minutes of crossing the border I see people way fatter than you usually
> >> >> see here. I mean, absolutely huge. I don't know how people allow
> >> >> themselves to get that fat. Maybe I should rephrase that to allowing
> >> >> their loived ones to get that fat, because people the size I am thinking
> >> >> of do not do it on their own. They are enabled.
>
> >> > Here's the difference between a thin man and a fat man:
>
> >> > When the thin man notices his trousers are getting a little snug,
> >> > he says, "Got to lose a few pounds". The fat man says "Got to
> >> > buy bigger pants."
>
> >> I have been working the pounds off bit by bit. My long range goal had
> >> been to lose weight through exercise because I found that diets alone
> >> don't work on the long run. You lose weight quickly but then you usually
> >> gain it back with interest. While I was working on that I weighed myself
> >> every morning and if my weight was up I skipped some treats and did
> >> extra exercise.
>
> >> > You'd probably say that my husband and I are really, really fat.
> >> > We are. I'm about 260 (5' 8"), and he's about 360 (5' 5").
> >> > It's not difficult to allow oneself to get that fat. Gain 10
> >> > pounds a year for 12 years (or 5 pounds a year for 24 years),
> >> > and you're 120 pounds overweight. It's really not that difficult.
> >> > Five or ten pounds is barley noticeable; I have to change by 20
> >> > pounds to need a different clothing size.
>
> >> I have to hand it do you for being so candid about that and respectfully
> >> ask if there is a point where you just give up and figure that it is now
> >> out of your hands?
>
> >Oh, we never exactly give up. *But we never exactly buckle down
> >and do what's necessary to lose the weight. *The exercise is
> >the sticking point for both of us. *Generally we're fitter in October
> >than we are in March, because we enjoy working on home
> >improvement projects.
>
> >>I am trying to picture how large your husband is.
>
> >Here's a picture (sorry the rocket thingy is there; he's
> >the picture-taker in the family, so I don't have very many
> >of him):
>
> >http://www.adi.com/~hamilton/image001.jpg
>
> >It's from 2006, so he might have been more like 340 then.
> >It's so difficult for me to tell; I see him every day.
>
> >>He
> >> is 7" shorter than me and has more than 100 pounds on me. A change in
> >> pant size for me is closer to 10 pounds.
>
> >Women's clothes are so irregularly sized, the same size
> >can fit wildly differently. *Men wouldn't stand for it. *(I've
> >got a couple of 3x blouses that are really more like 2x.
> >And don't get me started on pants. *Why can't we go
> >by inches like you fellas do?) *Generally, my "dress size"
> >is 10% of my weight. *So to go from a 26 to a 24, I'd have
> >to lose 20 pounds. *It would be different if I were much
> >taller or shorter, of course.
>
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> Making excuses about how clothing is sized is just a silly alibi. *The
> best way for yoose to lose weight is to place poster size pictures of
> yourselves on the fridge and place full length mirrors in every room.

If the pictures show you naked...then that might be a better motivator.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Thank you for your advice. I'm glad it will be so simple.

If anything simple worked no one would be fat. Go to the mall and look.
There are fat people there more than in any previous generation. If you
imagine that even one of those fat people hasn't tried a long list of
simple approaches you're delusional. Whatever the solution is it isn't
simple.

With a caveat. I once wrote the same thing with the word moderation in
the place of simple. Someone responded that if folks do more and more
work without limit until it worked then moderation would work. I
pointed out that "more and more without" is not what moderate means.
The person was suggesting an inmoderate solution and calling it moderate.

So I'll point out a simple solution that isn't easy. Running a marathon
by a person in excellent shape burns about a pound of fat. It's why
there are zero obese marathoners. If every fat person in the world
started training for marathons and started doing marathons there would
be no more fat people in a few years. But even that's not really
simple. The reason the first Marathon is still famous is the guy who
ran it died. Training to survive a marathon is a different than just
starting to walk on a treadmill and building to runs.

Simple - Here's a pick axe and shovel. There's a mountain. Move it
several feet south please. Sometimes simple is the opposite of easy.

Clearly my paragraph at the top doesn't quite work with the word
"simple" the way it does with "moderation". It works with either
"easy" or "moderate". Think about it - The paragraph also works with
the word "acceptable".

Dave Smith > wrote:

>Mine is 34 and I have a few extra pounds but am not obese. I am just a
>few pounds more than I was when I was in my early 20s and trying to get
>into the army. My doctor said that my height to weight ratio
>disqualified me but he didn't think that it should because I was big and
>muscular but not fat. I ended up not going, but I was accepted.
>Even at my heaviest I was taking equestrian jumping lessons.

This is why body fat percentage (measurable by relatively inexpensive
scales) can be a more useful metric than BMI, the latter being mostly
used for epediomological (sp?) studies since it's so easy to measure and/or
calculate from histortical records.

My BFP flutuates from 18 to 25, and it's now at the high end of that
range (not atypical for this time of year when I've just been to a
succssion of holiday dinner parties, and I am hiking and exercising
less than I do in the summer).


Steve