cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:

<http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>

money quote:

Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
velvet.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
>
> cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
> there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>
> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>
> money quote:
>
> Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
> this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
> velvet.

There's almost unlimited excellent local style food in Chicago. Hot
dogs aren't in that list. They sell their hot dogs boiled or steamed
which is as bad as serving them cold straight out of the fridge. They
just don't taste good that way. Ketchup goes well on fried or grilled
hot dogs. They taste better that way so it can't be a part of Chicago
style dogs.

Of course folks born and raised in Chicago are fed these steamed dogs
when they are babies and people like the food that was fed to them as
babies. They go on preferring them that way the rest of their lives.
There's no right or wrong in personal tastes. It's perfectly okay to
want to serve a boiled monstrosity of a dog and have the natives like
it. Tastes vary.

The real reason there is no ketchup on a Chicago style dog - To make the
local "Italian" beef seem that much better. The stuff rules even when
not compared to hot dogs.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:56:35 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
>> there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>>
>> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>>
>> money quote:
>>
>> Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
>> this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
>> velvet.
>
>There's almost unlimited excellent local style food in Chicago. Hot
>dogs aren't in that list. They sell their hot dogs boiled or steamed
>which is as bad as serving them cold straight out of the fridge. They
>just don't taste good that way. Ketchup goes well on fried or grilled
>hot dogs. They taste better that way so it can't be a part of Chicago
>style dogs.
>
>Of course folks born and raised in Chicago are fed these steamed dogs
>when they are babies and people like the food that was fed to them as
>babies. They go on preferring them that way the rest of their lives.
>There's no right or wrong in personal tastes. It's perfectly okay to
>want to serve a boiled monstrosity of a dog and have the natives like
>it. Tastes vary.
>
>The real reason there is no ketchup on a Chicago style dog - To make the
>local "Italian" beef seem that much better. The stuff rules even when
>not compared to hot dogs.

You paint with too broad of a brush. Most people in Chicago will have
a dog cooked in a variety of ways. Ketchup clashes with them no
matter how they're cooked.

Lou

Lou Decruss wrote:
> Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
>>There's almost unlimited excellent local style food in Chicago. Hot
>>dogs aren't in that list ....

My first post to chi.eats was a hot dog review. The response was
"You're not from around here, are you?". Nope, and by my own principles
the fact that I disapprove of some well known hot dog style says I don't
like hot dogs enough to matter. If I complained about Chicago style
pizza it would mean I dislike pizza, same principle.

> You paint with too broad of a brush ...

Now we're talking BBQ or grilling! I like dry rub better than the
brush.

I love good hot links and I know some places that sell hot dogs as hot
links. Very sad. I remember a place in Tulsa that had lots of
excellent BBQ dishes. They also had BBQ baloney. I tried it to see
what they did with it. Fried slices with good sauce. Shrug. Unlimited
excellent BBQ and I wasted a meal seeing if they did baloney any
better than I would serve it.

On Dec 17, 3:56*pm, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
>
> > cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
> > there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>
> > <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-....>
>
> > money quote:
>
> > Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
> > this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
> > velvet.
>
> There's almost unlimited excellent local style food in Chicago. *Hot
> dogs aren't in that list. *

And neither is that Chicago deep dish pizza. My favorite food thing
about Chicago is the ubiquity of burrito joints.

>
> Of course folks born and raised in Chicago are fed these steamed dogs
> when they are babies and people like the food that was fed to them as
> babies. *They go on preferring them that way the rest of their lives.
> There's no right or wrong in personal tastes. *It's perfectly okay to
> want to serve a boiled monstrosity of a dog and have the natives like
> it. *Tastes vary.
>
There are--or at least used to be--folks in St. Louis who used the hot
dog boiling water as a base for milk gravy.

--Bryan

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:03:00 -0500, blake murphy
> wrote:

>cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
>there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>
><http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>
>money quote:
>
>Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
>this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
>velvet.

Funny article. He's right about Plochman's mustard too. It's the
best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
eggs.

Lou

Lou wrote:

> The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on eggs.

If it's just ketchup on eggs, I agree that it's not very good. But ketchup
and Tabasco on a mixture of eggs and hash browns is a different story
altogether.

Bob

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:33:24 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Lou wrote:
>
>> The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on eggs.
>
>If it's just ketchup on eggs, I agree that it's not very good. But ketchup
>and Tabasco on a mixture of eggs and hash browns is a different story
>altogether.

For the record let me say I don't care if someone puts whipped cream
on their hot dog or vanilla oil in their scrambled eggs. The ketchup
thing is just a running joke with Chicagoans. We're really not as
uptight as the rest of the world thinks.

Lou

On 2010-12-18, Lou Decruss > wrote:

> on their hot dog or vanilla oil in their scrambled eggs. The ketchup
> thing is just a running joke with Chicagoans.

That's cuz the Chi-dog is, despite what NY'ers and others would like
to believe, ....and not to get into the whole pizza thing....the
zenith of the hot dog diasporia. Who needs ketchup when one has real
tomatoes!?

nb

On Dec 18, 12:51*pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2010-12-18, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
> > on their hot dog or vanilla oil in their scrambled eggs. *The ketchup
> > thing is just a running joke with Chicagoans. *

Eggs and vanilla team up to make nice French toast, and vanilla
custard too..
>
> That's cuz the Chi-dog is, despite what NY'ers and others would like
> to believe, ....and not to get into the whole pizza thing....the
> zenith of the hot dog diasporia. *Who needs ketchup when one has real
> tomatoes!? *

I've gotten excellent NY style pizza in Chicago. I'm looking forward
to the completion of the fast Amtrak between CHI and STL. In spite of
the baseball rivalry, the two cities are pretty good friends. We're
quite complementary in many ways, but one thing we have in common is
bad pizza.
>
> nb

--Bryan

On 18 Dec 2010 18:51:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2010-12-18, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
>> on their hot dog or vanilla oil in their scrambled eggs. The ketchup
>> thing is just a running joke with Chicagoans.
>
>That's cuz the Chi-dog is, despite what NY'ers and others would like
>to believe, ....and not to get into the whole pizza thing....the
>zenith of the hot dog diasporia.

Why can't I find a definition for that word?

> Who needs ketchup when one has real
>tomatoes!?

I agree with this.

Lou

On 2010-12-18, Lou Decruss > wrote:

> best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on

This silly argument always cracks me up. It's like, who says ketchup
doesn't go on hot dogs? You? Who are you? Not the person who raised
me and fed me and gave me my first hot dog. I like ketchup on
hotdogs. Always have. Not gonna cry if I can't get it, but guess
what. I've yet to see a single hot dog selling establishment, in the
past sixty years that I can remember, that didn't provide ketchup to
those who DO like it on their hot dog. If you DON'T like ketchup on
your hot dog, don't put it on the dog! Pretty simple concept, huh.

nb

On 18 Dec 2010 14:49:07 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> If you DON'T like ketchup on
> your hot dog, don't put it on the dog! Pretty simple concept, huh.

Yeah, but they're going to shout down those who don't agree with them
anyway.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On 18 Dec 2010 14:49:07 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2010-12-18, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
>> best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
>
>This silly argument always cracks me up.

Me too. That's why I play the silly game.

Lou

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:08:19 -0600, Lou Decruss
> wrote:

>On 18 Dec 2010 14:49:07 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2010-12-18, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>
>>> best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
>>
>>This silly argument always cracks me up.
>
>Me too. That's why I play the silly game.
>
>Lou

There is a logical reason never to put ketchup on a hotdog, it ****s
up the sauerkraut and brewskis. I like hotdogs in tomato soup, but
then the beverage is grape Nehi.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:02:48 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:03:00 -0500, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
>>there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>>
>><http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>>
>>money quote:
>>
>>Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
>>this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
>>velvet.
>
> Funny article. He's right about Plochman's mustard too. It's the
> best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
> eggs.
>
> Lou

it's always nice when cecil, the world's smartest human„¢, agrees with you.

your pal,
blake

On 12/17/2010 09:02 PM, Lou Decruss wrote:
> The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
> eggs.

Exactly!

Serene
--
http://www.momfoodproject.com

On 12/18/2010 12:53 PM, Serene Vannoy wrote:
> On 12/17/2010 09:02 PM, Lou Decruss wrote:
>> The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
>> eggs.
>
> Exactly!
>
> Serene

We grew up putting salsa on eggs. When I saw someone put ketchup on
their eggs I thought it was pretty strange, although ketchup and salsa
are both made with tomatoes. I would never put ketchup on my eggs, though.

We were on a cruise once, and I saw a woman put grape jelly on her
scrambled eggs. Now that is different.

Becca

Becca

On 12/18/2010 5:25 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:
> On 12/18/2010 12:53 PM, Serene Vannoy wrote:
>> On 12/17/2010 09:02 PM, Lou Decruss wrote:
>>> The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
>>> eggs.
>>
>> Exactly!
>>
>> Serene
>
> We grew up putting salsa on eggs. When I saw someone put ketchup on
> their eggs I thought it was pretty strange, although ketchup and salsa
> are both made with tomatoes. I would never put ketchup on my eggs, though.
>
> We were on a cruise once, and I saw a woman put grape jelly on her
> scrambled eggs. Now that is different.
>
> Becca
>
> Becca

When I was little. my aunt would make me a jelly omelet. She'd role the
omelet around some jelly. It was the only way I'd get near an egg at
that age.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 12/19/2010 12:24 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> When I was little. my aunt would make me a jelly omelet. She'd role
> the omelet around some jelly. It was the only way I'd get near an egg
> at that age.
>

People will do just about anything, to get children to eat a balanced
diet. It sounds like your aunt's trick worked. My oldest son was not
fond of eggs, so I would add applesauce to each bite, and he liked that.
Now, he eats anything, gravlax, menudo, turtle soup, chitlins. I have
not seen anything that he won't try. My youngest son is doing better,
but he is not as adventurous as his brother.

Becca

On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:25:47 -0600 in rec.food.cooking, Ema Nymton
> wrote,
>We grew up putting salsa on eggs. When I saw someone put ketchup on
>their eggs I thought it was pretty strange, although ketchup and salsa
>are both made with tomatoes. I would never put ketchup on my eggs, though.
>
>We were on a cruise once, and I saw a woman put grape jelly on her
>scrambled eggs. Now that is different.

Ketchup on eggs and grape jelly on eggs are not very different at all.
They are both made with fruit and sugar. That is, if you consider
tomatoes a fruit.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:02:48 -0600, Lou Decruss
> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:03:00 -0500, blake murphy
> wrote:
>
>>cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
>>there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>>
>><http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>>
>>money quote:
>>
>>Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
>>this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
>>velvet.
>
>Funny article. He's right about Plochman's mustard too. It's the
>best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
>eggs.
>

Whoops! Gone from preachin' to meddlin'! Crumbled Pork Sausage, bell
pepper, onions, fry, pour whisked eggs over same, cover or not, behold
poor man's omelet. Top with Ketchup. Bisquits on side. Maybe with a
waffle and syrup, too.

Alex

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:23:29 -0600, Chemiker
> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:02:48 -0600, Lou Decruss
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:03:00 -0500, blake murphy
> wrote:
>>
>>>cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
>>>there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>>>
>>><http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/679/why-is-there-no-ketchup-on-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>>>
>>>money quote:
>>>
>>>Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian, but
>>>this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on black
>>>velvet.
>>
>>Funny article. He's right about Plochman's mustard too. It's the
>>best. The only think worse than ketchup on a hot dog is ketchup on
>>eggs.
>>
>
>Whoops! Gone from preachin' to meddlin'! Crumbled Pork Sausage, bell
>pepper, onions, fry, pour whisked eggs over same, cover or not, behold
>poor man's omelet. Top with Ketchup. Bisquits on side. Maybe with a
>waffle and syrup, too.

Sounds great except for the ketchup. We had dinner out with my mom
Friday night at a place that does skillet meals all day. I had a ham
and mushroom skillet topped with eggs up. I could taste the
individual ingredients and enjoy the beautiful runny yolks mixed with
my hash browns. The guy at the next table ordered an omelet served
skillet style and dumped like a half cup of ketchup over it. They
should have put the whole meal in a food processor and made ketchup
soup for the guy.

An not anti ketchup and like it on fries and sometimes like to dip a
burger in it but I want to also taste the food. Eggs are far too
delicate to be ruined with it. I make a lot of frttata's and
depending on what's in it I sometimes have a dollop of sour cream or a
spoon of giardiniera on the side. Sometimes a splash of hot sauce on
a corner but never anything smothered all over it.

Lou

blake murphy > wrote in
:

> cecil adams (a chicago boy born and bred) answers the question of why
> there's no ketchup on an all-dressed dog:
>
> <http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...e-no-ketchup-o
> n-a-properly-made-hot-dog>
>
> money quote:
>
> Paul, I know you don't mean to act like an alfalfa-chewing barbarian,
> but this is like asking why Leonardo didn't paint the Mona Lisa on
> black velvet.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

cecil is a know it all. lol.