Any other picky people being driven crazy by the missing apostrophe in
the subject? I normally don't get bothered by this, but for some
reason, this keeps catching my attention. Just how many Bobs are in
trouble?

:-)

I think that there are four Bobs posting here, including notbob. I
think the word "both" helps throw me off.

I keep thinking that there is some common phrase involving "Bobs", but
extensive Googling showed me that it has the apostrophe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob%27s_your_uncle

It means:

'"and there you have it," or "you're all set." For example, "To make a
ham sandwich, just put a piece of ham between two slices of buttered
bread, and Bob's your uncle."'

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 6/06/2010 1:37 AM, Dan Abel wrote:
> In m.au>,
> > wrote:
>
>> On 5/06/2010 6:06 PM, Omelet wrote:
>>> In 1.5>,
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> > wrote in newsmpomelet-4AD03D.01592805062010
>>>> @news-wc.giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>>> I can see where he was coming from, I just don't agree with his method.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's rather traumatic for the people who have to go in and clean up the
>>>>>> mess when someone chews on a barrel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are plenty of drugs avaiable that will do the job in a short period
>>>>>> of time, and there's no 'mess' for others to clean/see.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If you can get your hands on them...
>>>>
>>>> Seems if someone *really* wants to do it that way, there's always a way.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of the time, it's just an overdose of the drugs that they have been
>>>> prescribed anyways.
>>>
>>> True dat. I'm sure an entire bottle of my Propranolol would do the job.
>
>> True but some drugs can make the exit a damn nasty and painful
>> experience. In some cases the drugs don't cause death but result in
>> brain damage.
>>
>> Guns are quick and, at that range, it's hard to miss!
>
> Yeah, this guy was really neat, methodical and considerate. I can't
> imagine that he didn't consider all the options. I can imagine all

I'm sure they mull over the options at great length. Doing yourself in
at your own home, one that you share with others, would be a damn
inconsiderate thing to do in my estimation. None of the people I have
ever know with cancer have ever done themselves in. Most have suffered a
dreadful demise however and they were painful to observe as an outsider.
I can readily understand someone so afflicted wishing to short circuit
the process.

> sorts of problems with drugs taken orally. You'd have to really know
> the effects of a lethal dose, and who knows much about that? What
> happens if it irritates your stomach and you vomit out most of it? What

Typically, in large doses, they irritate the stomach causing a reflux.
Enough often gets through to do severe damage, especially to the brain
or other organs, but not enough to kill. Drugs taken intravenously are
the best bet, especially in massive overdose quantities. Problem with
that method is that it may even be a more painful departure.

> happens if you are discovered and taken to the ER to have your stomach
> pumped? There's just too much uncertainty.
>
Tall buildings or bridges and railway tracks seem to be a favoured
method in my city. Messy and usually very public!

One thing is for sure though, we will all face the end someday! None of
us gets out of here alive!

Krypsis

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...

> Meanwhile, as this probable lie came to light, I just had a
> childhood friend die of cancer of the everything. He was
> diagnosed about 5 months ago.
>

So sorry to read that. Cancer of the everything - is that because it
metastasized so quickly? Sometimes cancer works so fast that it isn't even
fair! No chance to even give the chemo and radiation a chance to work. Was
like that with my dad.

In article
>,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article > ,
> Krypsis > wrote:
>
<snip>

> > True but some drugs can make the exit a damn nasty and painful
> > experience. In some cases the drugs don't cause death but result in
> > brain damage.
> >
> > Guns are quick and, at that range, it's hard to miss!
>
> Yeah, this guy was really neat, methodical and considerate. I can't
> imagine that he didn't consider all the options. I can imagine all
> sorts of problems with drugs taken orally. You'd have to really know
> the effects of a lethal dose, and who knows much about that? What
> happens if it irritates your stomach and you vomit out most of it? What
> happens if you are discovered and taken to the ER to have your stomach
> pumped? There's just too much uncertainty.

Back when I taught psychology several general psych texts claimed that
women tend to use drugs while men tended toward more violent strategies,
like guns. They also claimed that men were in general more successful in
doing themselves in than women.

When I was a young child there was a girl down the block, a couple of
years older than me, probably 12 or 14. I had a sort of crush on her.
She got home from school one afternoon and found her father in the
bedroom with his brains splattered over the wall. I never saw it, but I
still carry a picture in my mind of what that must have been like.

Forty or so years later, a colleague at the university shot himself. He
stood at the end of boat dock down at the lake and pulled a trigger. I
suppose cleanup was easier. At least he didn't risk lowering the value
of his house.

Regards,
Dave W.
In the Ozarks

In article > ,
Krypsis > wrote:

> On 6/06/2010 1:37 AM, Dan Abel wrote:

> > In m.au>,
> > > wrote:

> >> Guns are quick and, at that range, it's hard to miss!
> >
> > Yeah, this guy was really neat, methodical and considerate. I can't
> > imagine that he didn't consider all the options. I can imagine all
>
> I'm sure they mull over the options at great length.

I can't see it for this guy. He was pretty practical. He had already
been given the death sentence (incurable cancer). It was just a
question of when and how. The cancer would have been long and awful.

> Doing yourself in
> at your own home, one that you share with others, would be a damn
> inconsiderate thing to do in my estimation. None of the people I have
> ever know with cancer have ever done themselves in. Most have suffered a
> dreadful demise however and they were painful to observe as an outsider.
> I can readily understand someone so afflicted wishing to short circuit
> the process.

There was some snipping. To repeat, he was really old. He had lost his
wife a couple of years previously. They had never had children. He had
no close relatives or close friends left. He lived alone in the house
and was mostly alone in the world. He still had friends, but I don't
think they were old friends or close friends. He left a few specific
things to people, but left his house and money to a vet's organization.
They, of course, sold the house to a random stranger. We still live
next door, but there has been a succession of renters there the last
twenty years since he died.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:
>
> Yeah, this guy was really neat, methodical and considerate. I can't
> imagine that he didn't consider all the options. I can imagine all
> sorts of problems with drugs taken orally. You'd have to really know
> the effects of a lethal dose, and who knows much about that? What
> happens if it irritates your stomach and you vomit out most of it? What
> happens if you are discovered and taken to the ER to have your stomach
> pumped? There's just too much uncertainty.

If you want to go out peacefully, carbon monoxide
is probably the way to go. You fall asleep and
don't wake up.

On 6/5/2010 8:00 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Dan Abel wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, this guy was really neat, methodical and considerate. I can't
>> imagine that he didn't consider all the options. I can imagine all
>> sorts of problems with drugs taken orally. You'd have to really know
>> the effects of a lethal dose, and who knows much about that? What
>> happens if it irritates your stomach and you vomit out most of it? What
>> happens if you are discovered and taken to the ER to have your stomach
>> pumped? There's just too much uncertainty.
>
> If you want to go out peacefully, carbon monoxide
> is probably the way to go. You fall asleep and
> don't wake up.

What you say is true. It's peaceful and clean. The odd thing is that
most people seem to be unaware of this.

On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 08:18:32 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

>On 6/5/2010 8:00 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
>> Dan Abel wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, this guy was really neat, methodical and considerate. I can't
>>> imagine that he didn't consider all the options. I can imagine all
>>> sorts of problems with drugs taken orally. You'd have to really know
>>> the effects of a lethal dose, and who knows much about that? What
>>> happens if it irritates your stomach and you vomit out most of it? What
>>> happens if you are discovered and taken to the ER to have your stomach
>>> pumped? There's just too much uncertainty.
>>
>> If you want to go out peacefully, carbon monoxide
>> is probably the way to go. You fall asleep and
>> don't wake up.
>
>What you say is true. It's peaceful and clean. The odd thing is that
>most people seem to be unaware of this.

I know someone who did it. At the funeral nobody was saying how
peaceful or clean it was. He was 40, had a drinking and temper
problem, and left no note.

Lou

Lou Decruss wrote:
>
> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 08:18:32 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> >On 6/5/2010 8:00 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> >> Dan Abel wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, this guy was really neat, methodical and considerate. I can't
> >>> imagine that he didn't consider all the options. I can imagine all
> >>> sorts of problems with drugs taken orally. You'd have to really know
> >>> the effects of a lethal dose, and who knows much about that? What
> >>> happens if it irritates your stomach and you vomit out most of it? What
> >>> happens if you are discovered and taken to the ER to have your stomach
> >>> pumped? There's just too much uncertainty.
> >>
> >> If you want to go out peacefully, carbon monoxide
> >> is probably the way to go. You fall asleep and
> >> don't wake up.
> >
> >What you say is true. It's peaceful and clean. The odd thing is that
> >most people seem to be unaware of this.
>
> I know someone who did it. At the funeral nobody was saying how
> peaceful or clean it was. He was 40, had a drinking and temper
> problem, and left no note.

In that case, maybe it was an accident?
People die of accidental carbon monoxide
poisoning all the time.

Food Snob® wrote:
>
> No one?

Some Asians don't like to buy such houses because
they believe the soul of the deceased hangs around
for a while. Caused a controversy here when the
local Episcopal church wanted to bury church
members on their grounds, an Episcopal tradition
that upset some of the Chinese who have moved
into the area surrounding the church.

> I'd rather buy a house where someone killed his/herself, and was found
> right away, than one where the person dies of any cause, and stayed in
> there and putrefied for a week or more. Ick.

Reminds me of Margaux Hemingway who was dead
for something like two weeks before being discovered.

On 6/5/2010 11:32 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> So sorry to read that. Cancer of the everything - is that because it
> metastasized so quickly? Sometimes cancer works so fast that it
> isn't even fair! No chance to even give the chemo and radiation a
> chance to work. Was like that with my dad.

One of my friends had lymphoma, she was diagnosed in November and she
died in January. Another friend had brain cancer, he was diagnosed in
November and he died in February. It is hard to believe people can go
downhill that fast.

Becca

On 6/5/2010 8:33 AM, Lou Decruss wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 08:18:32 -1000, > wrote:
>
>> On 6/5/2010 8:00 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> Dan Abel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, this guy was really neat, methodical and considerate. I can't
>>>> imagine that he didn't consider all the options. I can imagine all
>>>> sorts of problems with drugs taken orally. You'd have to really know
>>>> the effects of a lethal dose, and who knows much about that? What
>>>> happens if it irritates your stomach and you vomit out most of it? What
>>>> happens if you are discovered and taken to the ER to have your stomach
>>>> pumped? There's just too much uncertainty.
>>>
>>> If you want to go out peacefully, carbon monoxide
>>> is probably the way to go. You fall asleep and
>>> don't wake up.
>>
>> What you say is true. It's peaceful and clean. The odd thing is that
>> most people seem to be unaware of this.
>
> I know someone who did it. At the funeral nobody was saying how
> peaceful or clean it was. He was 40, had a drinking and temper
> problem, and left no note.
>
> Lou

No doubt you're correct about this - however his uneasy and unclean
choices in life had nothing to do with CO.

I had an uncle that was like that. He killed himself by drinking a
bottle of shellac - it was a hard life but he had a very fine finish.

Krypsis wrote:

> True but some drugs can make the exit a damn nasty and painful
> experience. In some cases the drugs don't cause death but result in
> brain damage.
>
> Guns are quick and, at that range, it's hard to miss!
>
> Krypsis
>
You'd be disheartened by the idea if you took care of as many botched
attempts as I do. A whole slew of folks have no clue about their
anatomy, or are just bad shots to begin with, or worse shots because of
drugs and alcohol in their system.... it is VERY common.

In article
>,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> > > True dat. I'm sure an entire bottle of my Propranolol would do the job.
>
> > True but some drugs can make the exit a damn nasty and painful
> > experience. In some cases the drugs don't cause death but result in
> > brain damage.
> >
> > Guns are quick and, at that range, it's hard to miss!
>
> Yeah, this guy was really neat, methodical and considerate. I can't
> imagine that he didn't consider all the options. I can imagine all
> sorts of problems with drugs taken orally. You'd have to really know
> the effects of a lethal dose, and who knows much about that? What
> happens if it irritates your stomach and you vomit out most of it? What
> happens if you are discovered and taken to the ER to have your stomach
> pumped? There's just too much uncertainty.
>
> --
> Dan Abel

Make sure you won't be found.
As far as I can determine, an overdose of this drug would simply make my
heart stop.

But then, I'm not contemplating suicide, at least at the moment. <g>
I've got far too much to look forward to right now!
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

In article >,
Mark Thorson > wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, this guy was really neat, methodical and considerate. I can't
> > imagine that he didn't consider all the options. I can imagine all
> > sorts of problems with drugs taken orally. You'd have to really know
> > the effects of a lethal dose, and who knows much about that? What
> > happens if it irritates your stomach and you vomit out most of it? What
> > happens if you are discovered and taken to the ER to have your stomach
> > pumped? There's just too much uncertainty.
>
> If you want to go out peacefully, carbon monoxide
> is probably the way to go. You fall asleep and
> don't wake up.

Providing you are not found in time. It can cause irreparable brain
damage. One of the current more popular inhalation deaths available is
H2S generation. Only trouble with that is that it is so toxic, you may
accidently take one or more others with you:

<http://theemtspot.com/2009/02/27/hyd...come-to-the-us
/>

This one has been increasing in popularity due to the recipes being
widely published on the 'net.
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

Becca wrote:
> On 6/5/2010 11:32 AM, Cheryl wrote:
>> So sorry to read that. Cancer of the everything - is that because it
>> metastasized so quickly? Sometimes cancer works so fast that it
>> isn't even fair! No chance to even give the chemo and radiation a
>> chance to work. Was like that with my dad.
>
> One of my friends had lymphoma, she was diagnosed in November and she
> died in January. Another friend had brain cancer, he was diagnosed in
> November and he died in February. It is hard to believe people can go
> downhill that fast.

Meanwhile, my sister in law has had bile duct cancer for more than 2
years and is hanging in there.

On 6/5/2010 3:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> One of my friends had lymphoma, she was diagnosed in November and she
>> died in January. Another friend had brain cancer, he was diagnosed in
>> November and he died in February. It is hard to believe people can
>> go downhill that fast.
>
>
> Meanwhile, my sister in law has had bile duct cancer for more than 2
> years and is hanging in there.
>

My grandma had liver cancer and she refused treatment, she lived for 7
years and she died of a heart attack when she was 84. When she was in
her 40's she had breast cancer, she had one breast removed, then the
other one removed 4 yrs later. She did have treatment for breast
cancer, but she was in her 70's when they diagnosed her with liver
cancer. She wanted to enjoy her remaining years instead of suffering
through the treatment..

Becca

Becca wrote:
>
> My grandma had liver cancer and she refused treatment, she lived for 7
> years and she died of a heart attack when she was 84. When she was in
> her 40's she had breast cancer, she had one breast removed, then the
> other one removed 4 yrs later. She did have treatment for breast
> cancer, but she was in her 70's when they diagnosed her with liver
> cancer. She wanted to enjoy her remaining years instead of suffering
> through the treatment..



My grandmother was diagnosed with liver cancer when she was 95. I went
to visit her and she looked jaundiced and told me that they told her she
was sick but she felt fine. A week later she was in the hospital and
died there a few days later.

In article >, Becca >
wrote:

> On 6/5/2010 11:32 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> > So sorry to read that. Cancer of the everything - is that because it
> > metastasized so quickly? Sometimes cancer works so fast that it
> > isn't even fair! No chance to even give the chemo and radiation a
> > chance to work. Was like that with my dad.
>
> One of my friends had lymphoma, she was diagnosed in November and she
> died in January. Another friend had brain cancer, he was diagnosed in
> November and he died in February. It is hard to believe people can go
> downhill that fast.
>
> Becca

My Aunt died of metastatic cervical cancer 3 months after she was
diagnosed, and she had radiation but no chemo'. A very, very dear friend
died from metastatic colon cancer (to the liver) only 2 months after it
was diagnosed, and he went the full range of treatment, but when your
liver is 2/3 full of tumors, there is no chance in hell. :-(

It took my Uncle 10 years to die from Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia. He
only died a couple of months ago at 82 and it's still hard for me to
reconcile that he is gone. He was one of the "rocks" in my life.
Someone that was always there to talk too...
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

In article >, dsi1 >
wrote:

> On 6/5/2010 8:33 AM, Lou Decruss wrote:
> > On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 08:18:32 -1000, > wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/5/2010 8:00 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> >>> Dan Abel wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, this guy was really neat, methodical and considerate. I can't
> >>>> imagine that he didn't consider all the options. I can imagine all
> >>>> sorts of problems with drugs taken orally. You'd have to really know
> >>>> the effects of a lethal dose, and who knows much about that? What
> >>>> happens if it irritates your stomach and you vomit out most of it? What
> >>>> happens if you are discovered and taken to the ER to have your stomach
> >>>> pumped? There's just too much uncertainty.
> >>>
> >>> If you want to go out peacefully, carbon monoxide
> >>> is probably the way to go. You fall asleep and
> >>> don't wake up.
> >>
> >> What you say is true. It's peaceful and clean. The odd thing is that
> >> most people seem to be unaware of this.
> >
> > I know someone who did it. At the funeral nobody was saying how
> > peaceful or clean it was. He was 40, had a drinking and temper
> > problem, and left no note.
> >
> > Lou
>
> No doubt you're correct about this - however his uneasy and unclean
> choices in life had nothing to do with CO.
>
> I had an uncle that was like that. He killed himself by drinking a
> bottle of shellac - it was a hard life but he had a very fine finish.

Cute. <sigh>
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

In article >,
Goomba > wrote:

> Krypsis wrote:
>
> > True but some drugs can make the exit a damn nasty and painful
> > experience. In some cases the drugs don't cause death but result in
> > brain damage.
> >
> > Guns are quick and, at that range, it's hard to miss!
> >
> > Krypsis
> >
> You'd be disheartened by the idea if you took care of as many botched
> attempts as I do. A whole slew of folks have no clue about their
> anatomy, or are just bad shots to begin with, or worse shots because of
> drugs and alcohol in their system.... it is VERY common.

I concur...
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Becca wrote:
> > On 6/5/2010 11:32 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> >> So sorry to read that. Cancer of the everything - is that because it
> >> metastasized so quickly? Sometimes cancer works so fast that it
> >> isn't even fair! No chance to even give the chemo and radiation a
> >> chance to work. Was like that with my dad.
> >
> > One of my friends had lymphoma, she was diagnosed in November and she
> > died in January. Another friend had brain cancer, he was diagnosed in
> > November and he died in February. It is hard to believe people can go
> > downhill that fast.
>
> Meanwhile, my sister in law has had bile duct cancer for more than 2
> years and is hanging in there.

I wish her the best of luck Dave!
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

Omelet wrote on Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:33:11 -0500:

>> On 6/5/2010 11:32 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> >> So sorry to read that. Cancer of the everything - is that
> >> because it metastasized so quickly? Sometimes cancer
> >> works so fast that it isn't even fair! No chance to even
> >> give the chemo and radiation a chance to work. Was like
> >> that with my dad.
>>
>> One of my friends had lymphoma, she was diagnosed in November
>> and she died in January. Another friend had brain cancer, he
>> was diagnosed in November and he died in February. It is
>> hard to believe people can go downhill that fast.
>>
>> Becca

Did you see the news report today that one single blast of radiation
after surgery is just as effective as a course of chemotherapy after
breast cancer surgery?


--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 02:22:00 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote:

> The message >
> from Sqwertz > contains these words:
>
>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 19:53:21 -0400, dejablues wrote:
>
>>> Chemo the Clown wrote:
>
>>>> Actually if you feel the need to know...been in chemo for 6 months and
>>>> it a'int working so I just make the best of it.
>>>
>>> Well if that doesn't put all this trivial ****ing and moaning here into
>>> perspective...best of luck to you mate.
>
>> Call me skeptical, but the buy has been using the nick for over 3
>> years. Before that it was Chemosabe. And now he's disappeared
>> from this thread so he doesn't have to lie any more.
>
>> Meanwhile, as this probable lie came to light, I just had a
>> childhood friend die of cancer of the everything. He was
>> diagnosed about 5 months ago.
>
>> This Chemo guy is just making a mockery of the true illness and
>> himself.
>
> No, you're doing that.
> Many people survive metastatic cancer for years, thanks to
> intermittent bouts of treatment which produces remissions.
> When the disease makes a comeback they undergo more treatment, one
> patient may undergo different kinds of chemo at different stages.
> The fact he's having chemotherapy now, doesn't mean its the first time. .

Somebody who's having chemotherapy wouldn't be making jokes about
it and using it as a nick. Sorry, I don't buy it. And that fact
that he scurried off doesn't help his case.

I'm going with my first gut feeling. It's stronger than Women's
Intuition.

Somebody let me know if he comes back to defend himself in this
thread because for me this is even tackier for me than it would be
for you if I was wrong.

-sw

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...

> Somebody who's having chemotherapy wouldn't be making jokes about
> it and using it as a nick. Sorry, I don't buy it. And that fact
> that he scurried off doesn't help his case.
>
(snip)
> -sw

I've worked with hundreds and hundreds of cancer patients over the years and
that simply isn't true. Many of them do, in fact, resort to humor and
"chemo jokes" as a coping mechanism.

Jinx

"Krypsis" > wrote in message
u...
> On 6/06/2010 2:45 PM, Jinx Minx wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Somebody who's having chemotherapy wouldn't be making jokes about
>>> it and using it as a nick. Sorry, I don't buy it. And that fact
>>> that he scurried off doesn't help his case.
>>>
>> (snip)
>>> -sw
>>
>> I've worked with hundreds and hundreds of cancer patients over the years
>> and
>> that simply isn't true. Many of them do, in fact, resort to humor and
>> "chemo jokes" as a coping mechanism.
>>
>> Jinx
>>
>>
> Yes, it's called "confronting your problems head on!". Rather a good
> coping mechanism, don't you think?
>
> Krypsis
>
>

It's always worked for me! -)

Jinx

On 6/06/2010 2:45 PM, Jinx Minx wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Somebody who's having chemotherapy wouldn't be making jokes about
>> it and using it as a nick. Sorry, I don't buy it. And that fact
>> that he scurried off doesn't help his case.
>>
> (snip)
>> -sw
>
> I've worked with hundreds and hundreds of cancer patients over the years and
> that simply isn't true. Many of them do, in fact, resort to humor and
> "chemo jokes" as a coping mechanism.
>
> Jinx
>
>
Yes, it's called "confronting your problems head on!". Rather a good
coping mechanism, don't you think?

Krypsis

Omelet wrote:
>
> <http://theemtspot.com/2009/02/27/hyd...come-to-the-us
> />
>
> This one has been increasing in popularity due to the recipes being
> widely published on the 'net.

Here's a good description with plenty of pictures.

http://www.colofirechiefs.org/ffsafe...uicide0210.pdf

I'm wondering if this combination of chemicals
might occur accidentally, for example while cleaning
a toilet.

I'd still go with carbon monoxide, though. H2S stinks.

On Jun 6, 9:02*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
>
> > <http://theemtspot.com/2009/02/27/hyd...come-to-the-us
> > />
>
> > This one has been increasing in popularity due to the recipes being
> > widely published on the 'net.
>
> Here's a good description with plenty of pictures.
>
> http://www.colofirechiefs.org/ffsafe...uicide0210.pdf
>
> I'm wondering if this combination of chemicals
> might occur accidentally, for example while cleaning
> a toilet.
>
> I'd still go with carbon monoxide, though. *H2S stinks.

One combination of household cleaning chemicals which has been known
to kill is bleach and ammonia. Never mix the two!

And H2S poisoning must be a horrible way to go, because when H2S hits
water (as is in your lungs) it makes H2SO4 or Sulfuric Acid! YOW!!! No
thanks! :-( If I ever decide my life is not worth continuing, I'll opt
for hypothermia as my choice way to 'go'. Painless, easy (on a
sufficiently cold day or night) and after a while, you just don't care
because hypothermia slows neurological functioning. One set of S/S for
hypothermia we whitewater kayakers call the "Umbles", meaning the
hypothermic person mumbles, stumbles and fumbles R/T decreased
neurological functioning.

John Kuthe...

On 7/06/2010 12:02 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
>>
>> <http://theemtspot.com/2009/02/27/hyd...come-to-the-us
>> />
>>
>> This one has been increasing in popularity due to the recipes being
>> widely published on the 'net.
>
> Here's a good description with plenty of pictures.
>
> http://www.colofirechiefs.org/ffsafe...uicide0210.pdf
>
> I'm wondering if this combination of chemicals
> might occur accidentally, for example while cleaning
> a toilet.
>
> I'd still go with carbon monoxide, though. H2S stinks.

Make sure you go for an older model car pre-catalytic converter then as
all cars with a "cat" will output carbon dioxide, not carbon monoxde.
After all, that is the function of the cat, convert all the nasties into
harmless gases.

I suppose you could try and snuff yourself BEFORE the cat warms up from
cold as they only operate when very hot.

Krypsis

"Jinx Minx" > wrote in
:

>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Somebody who's having chemotherapy wouldn't be making jokes about
>> it and using it as a nick. Sorry, I don't buy it. And that fact
>> that he scurried off doesn't help his case.
>>
> (snip)
>> -sw
>
> I've worked with hundreds and hundreds of cancer patients over the years
> and that simply isn't true. Many of them do, in fact, resort to humor
> and "chemo jokes" as a coping mechanism.
>
> Jinx
>
>
>


'Spurtz' seems to be clutching at straws lately.

It's been shown to be a lying piece of shit in another group (abf) and now
seems to be scrabbling around like the impotent little Chihuahua that it
is.


BTW, look for a 'nymchange' from it after it reads this post as the
pathetic little creep tries to vainly make it's shit 'readable' to
everyone.

It's truly pathetic.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


A good friend would drive 30 miles at 2:00 am to bail you out of jail.
A best friend, however, would be sitting in the cell next to you saying
"Man, that was f******n Awesome!"

Krypsis wrote:
>
> On 7/06/2010 12:02 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> >
> > I'd still go with carbon monoxide, though. H2S stinks.
>
> Make sure you go for an older model car pre-catalytic converter then as
> all cars with a "cat" will output carbon dioxide, not carbon monoxde.
> After all, that is the function of the cat, convert all the nasties into
> harmless gases.
>
> I suppose you could try and snuff yourself BEFORE the cat warms up from
> cold as they only operate when very hot.

I wouldn't use a car. Exhaust fumes are irritating.
I'd move the barbeque into the kitchen sink.

In article >,
Mark Thorson > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > <http://theemtspot.com/2009/02/27/hyd...come-to-the-us
> > />
> >
> > This one has been increasing in popularity due to the recipes being
> > widely published on the 'net.
>
> Here's a good description with plenty of pictures.
>
> http://www.colofirechiefs.org/ffsafe...uicide0210.pdf
>
> I'm wondering if this combination of chemicals
> might occur accidentally, for example while cleaning
> a toilet.
>
> I'd still go with carbon monoxide, though. H2S stinks.

Your hunting skills are sharper than mine. <g> I was unable to find any
actual recipes, but I only spent about 5 minutes or so surfing...

Back shortly after my mom died, I did hang out on alt.suicide.methods
for a few weeks because I was so depressed, but not really serious about
considering it. The most popular CO method was to start a small BBQ of
briquets indoors to generate carbon monoxide.

It's most effective.

That list appeared to have a high turnover and the occasional nasty note
from those left behind that reviewed dead people's computer logs.

As for it happening accidently, yes it does! A more common problem is
spring cleaning. I've done testing on more than one patient in the ER
that ignorantly combined muriatic acid (due to the very hard water in
Texas since most of our reservoirs are contained in limestone aquifers)
and household bleach.

Creates a very nasty and caustic gas.

I do occasionally clean hard water deposits with Muriatic acid. That
stuff is nasty. Before 9-11, I purchased a brand new Israeli gas mask
and extra filters off of ebay for dirt cheap. I wear it when I clean
with that stuff and run fans to vent the bathroom.
I make sure I rinse well before applying bleach to mildew stains.

NEVER MIX BLEACH AND ACID!!! Not even vinegar.
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

In article >,
Mark Thorson > wrote:

> Krypsis wrote:
> >
> > On 7/06/2010 12:02 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd still go with carbon monoxide, though. H2S stinks.
> >
> > Make sure you go for an older model car pre-catalytic converter then as
> > all cars with a "cat" will output carbon dioxide, not carbon monoxde.
> > After all, that is the function of the cat, convert all the nasties into
> > harmless gases.
> >
> > I suppose you could try and snuff yourself BEFORE the cat warms up from
> > cold as they only operate when very hot.
>
> I wouldn't use a car. Exhaust fumes are irritating.
> I'd move the barbeque into the kitchen sink.

The bedroom or bathroom is smaller...
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

On 6/6/2010 7:18 AM, Omelet wrote:
> In >,
> Mark > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>>
>>> <http://theemtspot.com/2009/02/27/hyd...come-to-the-us
>>> />
>>>
>>> This one has been increasing in popularity due to the recipes being
>>> widely published on the 'net.
>>
>> Here's a good description with plenty of pictures.
>>
>> http://www.colofirechiefs.org/ffsafe...uicide0210.pdf
>>
>> I'm wondering if this combination of chemicals
>> might occur accidentally, for example while cleaning
>> a toilet.
>>
>> I'd still go with carbon monoxide, though. H2S stinks.
>
> Your hunting skills are sharper than mine.<g> I was unable to find any
> actual recipes, but I only spent about 5 minutes or so surfing...
>
> Back shortly after my mom died, I did hang out on alt.suicide.methods
> for a few weeks because I was so depressed, but not really serious about
> considering it. The most popular CO method was to start a small BBQ of
> briquets indoors to generate carbon monoxide.
>
> It's most effective.
>
> That list appeared to have a high turnover and the occasional nasty note
> from those left behind that reviewed dead people's computer logs.
>
> As for it happening accidently, yes it does! A more common problem is
> spring cleaning. I've done testing on more than one patient in the ER
> that ignorantly combined muriatic acid (due to the very hard water in
> Texas since most of our reservoirs are contained in limestone aquifers)
> and household bleach.
>
> Creates a very nasty and caustic gas.
>
> I do occasionally clean hard water deposits with Muriatic acid. That
> stuff is nasty. Before 9-11, I purchased a brand new Israeli gas mask
> and extra filters off of ebay for dirt cheap. I wear it when I clean
> with that stuff and run fans to vent the bathroom.
> I make sure I rinse well before applying bleach to mildew stains.
>
> NEVER MIX BLEACH AND ACID!!! Not even vinegar.

On 6/6/2010 7:18 AM, Omelet wrote:

> Your hunting skills are sharper than mine.<g> I was unable to find any
> actual recipes, but I only spent about 5 minutes or so surfing...
>
> Back shortly after my mom died, I did hang out on alt.suicide.methods
> for a few weeks because I was so depressed, but not really serious about
> considering it. The most popular CO method was to start a small BBQ of
> briquets indoors to generate carbon monoxide.

There was a craze a few years ago of Japanese internet suicide pacts -
which combined social networking with offing yourself. The preferred
method was a small hibachi in a car. I'm guessing that some may have
added yakitori as a send-off snack. I've never read of that happening
but it seems reasonable.


>
> It's most effective.
>
> That list appeared to have a high turnover and the occasional nasty note
> from those left behind that reviewed dead people's computer logs.
>
> As for it happening accidently, yes it does! A more common problem is
> spring cleaning. I've done testing on more than one patient in the ER
> that ignorantly combined muriatic acid (due to the very hard water in
> Texas since most of our reservoirs are contained in limestone aquifers)
> and household bleach.
>
> Creates a very nasty and caustic gas.
>
> I do occasionally clean hard water deposits with Muriatic acid. That
> stuff is nasty. Before 9-11, I purchased a brand new Israeli gas mask
> and extra filters off of ebay for dirt cheap. I wear it when I clean
> with that stuff and run fans to vent the bathroom.
> I make sure I rinse well before applying bleach to mildew stains.
>
> NEVER MIX BLEACH AND ACID!!! Not even vinegar.

Omelet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> Mark Thorson > wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't use a car. Exhaust fumes are irritating.
> > I'd move the barbeque into the kitchen sink.
>
> The bedroom or bathroom is smaller...

If it's in the kitchen sink, it's less likely
to set fire to the house.

On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 00:43:43 -0500, "Jinx Minx" >
wrote:

>
>"Krypsis" > wrote in message
. au...
>> On 6/06/2010 2:45 PM, Jinx Minx wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Somebody who's having chemotherapy wouldn't be making jokes about
>>>> it and using it as a nick. Sorry, I don't buy it. And that fact
>>>> that he scurried off doesn't help his case.
>>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> I've worked with hundreds and hundreds of cancer patients over the years
>>> and
>>> that simply isn't true. Many of them do, in fact, resort to humor and
>>> "chemo jokes" as a coping mechanism.
>>>
>>> Jinx
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, it's called "confronting your problems head on!". Rather a good
>> coping mechanism, don't you think?
>>
>> Krypsis
>>
>>
>
>It's always worked for me! -)
>
>Jinx

And far more common with men than women... in that kind of serious
atmosphere cracking jokes surplants the macho thing... with serious
medical issues (and even not serious at all) most men are cowards so
in public they hide their fear by becoming comics and big shot know it
alls, but when they get home they fall apart.

And from my experience there is no such thing as a time limit to
cancer, it can always return, and often with a vengence. Gotta put
things into perspective, an MRI for a fercocktah herniated disc is a
mosquito bite compared to Chemo/Radiation for the Big C.

In article >, dsi1 >
wrote:

> On 6/6/2010 7:18 AM, Omelet wrote:
>
> > Your hunting skills are sharper than mine.<g> I was unable to find any
> > actual recipes, but I only spent about 5 minutes or so surfing...
> >
> > Back shortly after my mom died, I did hang out on alt.suicide.methods
> > for a few weeks because I was so depressed, but not really serious about
> > considering it. The most popular CO method was to start a small BBQ of
> > briquets indoors to generate carbon monoxide.
>
> There was a craze a few years ago of Japanese internet suicide pacts -
> which combined social networking with offing yourself. The preferred
> method was a small hibachi in a car. I'm guessing that some may have
> added yakitori as a send-off snack. I've never read of that happening
> but it seems reasonable.

From my searches, it appears that Japan currently has the highest
suicide rate. I'd be curious as to why.
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
*Only Irish *coffee provides in a single glass all four *essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar *and fat. --Alex Levine

In article >,
Mark Thorson > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > Mark Thorson > wrote:
> > >
> > > I wouldn't use a car. Exhaust fumes are irritating.
> > > I'd move the barbeque into the kitchen sink.
> >
> > The bedroom or bathroom is smaller...
>
> If it's in the kitchen sink, it's less likely
> to set fire to the house.

And the bathroom sink???
--
Peace! Om

Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine