I believe voting is a very important right/privilege. I have not missed an
election since my 21st birthday. (21 then to vote)

This next election, as always, 100% of the House of Representatives & 1/3 of
the US Senate are up for reelection.

Based upon the current political climate I respectfully suggest we vote ALL
incumbents out of office regardless of party affiliation.


--
Dimitri

Searing

http://kitchenguide.wordpress.com.

On Feb 17, 2:48*pm, "Dimitri" > wrote:
> I believe voting is a very important right/privilege. *I have not missed an
> election since my 21st birthday. (21 then to vote)
>
> This next election, as always, 100% of the House of Representatives & 1/3 of
> the US Senate are up for reelection.
>
> Based upon the current political climate I respectfully suggest *we vote ALL
> incumbents out of office regardless of party affiliation.

What, and get the old farts that represent me traded in for new farts
that
won't have any clout or be on any good committees? No, thank you.

I want my Senator to stay on as chairman of the Senate Armed Services
Committee
(both my husband and I work for the military-industrial complex), and
my rep
to stay on the Energy and Commerce Comittee, where he's Chairman
Emeritus.

Cindy Hamilton

On Feb 17, 12:10*pm, Cindy Hamilton >
wrote:
> On Feb 17, 2:48*pm, "Dimitri" > wrote:
>
> > I believe voting is a very important right/privilege. *I have not missed an
> > election since my 21st birthday. (21 then to vote)
>
> > This next election, as always, 100% of the House of Representatives & 1/3 of
> > the US Senate are up for reelection.
>
> > Based upon the current political climate I respectfully suggest *we vote ALL
> > incumbents out of office regardless of party affiliation.
>
> What, and get the old farts that represent me traded in for new farts
> that
> won't have any clout or be on any good committees? *No, thank you.
>
> I want my Senator to stay on as chairman of the Senate Armed Services
> Committee
> (both my husband and I work for the military-industrial complex), and
> my rep
> to stay on the Energy and Commerce Comittee, where he's Chairman
> Emeritus.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I'm more in agreement with Cindy. "Vote the bums out" doesn't bring
any meaningful results. The best thing to do is to constantly
pressure your representatives to stop the constant freaking
campaigning and do some actual work!!!

In article >,
says...

>
> I'm more in agreement with Cindy. "Vote the bums out" doesn't bring
> any meaningful results. The best thing to do is to constantly
> pressure your representatives to stop the constant freaking
> campaigning and do some actual work!!!

And how do you suggest we pressure them? Phone calls to empty answering
machines or part time high school kids paid to say "yes, I will pass that
sentiment along to..."? Maybe an e-mail to an empty POP server, or even a
Postal letter straight to "the round file" in your reps office?

The way you pressure them is by letting them know in no uncertain terms, if you
don't start listening to us, we are voting you out!

Scotty

--
Life's been good to me so far

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:47:41 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
>
>>
>> I'm more in agreement with Cindy. "Vote the bums out" doesn't bring
>> any meaningful results. The best thing to do is to constantly
>> pressure your representatives to stop the constant freaking
>> campaigning and do some actual work!!!
>
> And how do you suggest we pressure them? Phone calls to empty answering
> machines or part time high school kids paid to say "yes, I will pass that
> sentiment along to..."? Maybe an e-mail to an empty POP server, or even a
> Postal letter straight to "the round file" in your reps office?
>
> The way you pressure them is by letting them know in no uncertain terms, if you
> don't start listening to us, we are voting you out!
>
> Scotty

actually, as i understand it they do respond to people, especially people
residing in their district or state. from least to most effective:
e-mails, phone calls, postal letters.

how will they know you intend to 'vote them out' if you don't do one of
those three things?

your pal,
blake

On 2/18/2010 11:19 AM, blake murphy wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:47:41 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:
>
>> In >,
>> says...
>>
>>>
>>> I'm more in agreement with Cindy. "Vote the bums out" doesn't bring
>>> any meaningful results. The best thing to do is to constantly
>>> pressure your representatives to stop the constant freaking
>>> campaigning and do some actual work!!!
>>
>> And how do you suggest we pressure them? Phone calls to empty answering
>> machines or part time high school kids paid to say "yes, I will pass that
>> sentiment along to..."? Maybe an e-mail to an empty POP server, or even a
>> Postal letter straight to "the round file" in your reps office?
>>
>> The way you pressure them is by letting them know in no uncertain terms, if you
>> don't start listening to us, we are voting you out!
>>
>> Scotty
>
> actually, as i understand it they do respond to people, especially people
> residing in their district or state. from least to most effective:
> e-mails, phone calls, postal letters.
>
> how will they know you intend to 'vote them out' if you don't do one of
> those three things?
>
> your pal,
> blake

Unfortunately their sentiment is on target. I am very sure that the
politicians who are supposed to be working for me know my name very
well. I get lots of meaningless replies thanking me for my opinion.
Politicians know who their owners are and work for them. Thats really
the dissatisfaction that is driving movements such as the various tea
party groups.

The Democrats were going to save us and have controlled Congress for the
past three years. The only thing they successfully accomplished so far
are the huge bailouts to reward the pirates from the financial sector
for bad behavior. "Too big to fail" has to one of the most disingenuous
spin campaigns ever.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:19:03 -0500, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:47:41 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>>>
>>> I'm more in agreement with Cindy. "Vote the bums out" doesn't bring
>>> any meaningful results. The best thing to do is to constantly
>>> pressure your representatives to stop the constant freaking
>>> campaigning and do some actual work!!!
>>
>> And how do you suggest we pressure them? Phone calls to empty answering
>> machines or part time high school kids paid to say "yes, I will pass that
>> sentiment along to..."? Maybe an e-mail to an empty POP server, or even a
>> Postal letter straight to "the round file" in your reps office?
>>
>> The way you pressure them is by letting them know in no uncertain terms, if you
>> don't start listening to us, we are voting you out!
>>
>> Scotty
>
>actually, as i understand it they do respond to people, especially people
>residing in their district or state. from least to most effective:
>e-mails, phone calls, postal letters.
>
>how will they know you intend to 'vote them out' if you don't do one of
>those three things?
>
>your pal,
>blake

I volunteer with an agriculture group that wants some laws changed and
unbiasedly, they should be if truth-in-labeling matters. I am
totally amazed that when our group - a non-profit, totally volunteer
grass-roots group sends our Hawaii Legislature thoughtful emails,
there are 2 who respond to the email by saying--- they can't keep up
with emails so please call them. You think?

Hawaii has the most arrogant politicians- at least at our Legislative
level. It is embarrassing, for me, to watch new people come to Hawaii
and try to work things out the "democratic way". I am beginning to
sense it is happening in most of America.

I would sincerely like to vote all the bums out and any one, even a
teenager, would make more sense. It is unbelievable.
aloha,
Cea

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> I want my Senator to stay on as chairman of the Senate Armed Services
> Committee
> (both my husband and I work for the military-industrial complex), and
> my rep
> to stay on the Energy and Commerce Comittee, where he's Chairman
> Emeritus.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

So you want to stay on the government dole? If we need military stuff, I
say buy the best, but if we don't need it, save the tax dollars. Buying
airplanes and submarines just to keep jobs is a poor economical reason.

On Feb 17, 10:46*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> > I want my Senator to stay on as chairman of the Senate Armed Services
> > Committee
> > (both my husband and I work for the military-industrial complex), and
> > my rep
> > to stay on the Energy and Commerce Comittee, where he's Chairman
> > Emeritus.
>
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> So you want to stay on the government dole? *

Sure, since military R&D appears to be the best use of our talents.
I can't think of anybody in the private sector who would pay my
husband to do what he does. There's just no market for it. However,
if you know of a job in the Ann Arbor area that needs a guy
experienced
in electro-optic engineering, please let me know. He loves the work,
but hates his current employer.

>If we need military stuff, I
> say buy the best, but if we don't need it, save the tax dollars. *Buying
> airplanes and submarines just to keep jobs is a poor economical reason.

My company makes it possible to develop control systems (like aircraft
brakes) more cheaply.

Oh, sure, both of us have done a little work on the civilian side.
Some of
my customers do civilian aerospace work (like Gulfstream); he's been
involved in looking for abandoned oil wells in Alaska.

But unless you think everybody in the world is going to lay down their
arms, or get into a conventional war like WWII, we need military R&D
to keep (or get) a step ahead of the bad guys.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton > wrote:

>But unless you think everybody in the world is going to lay down their
>arms, or get into a conventional war like WWII, we need military R&D
>to keep (or get) a step ahead of the bad guys.

Also our adversaries need us to develop the stuff first, so
they can steal it. (R&D = "ripoff and duplicate".)

Steve

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:01:43 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> But unless you think everybody in the world is going to lay down their
> arms, or get into a conventional war like WWII, we need military R&D
> to keep (or get) a step ahead of the bad guys.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

i understand what you are saying, but our current enemies aren't exactly
using cutting-edge technology, so i'm a little skeptical that tech will be
our salvation. it may be a little simpler, like refraining from invading
and trying to occupy their countries.

your pal,
blake

On Feb 18, 11:24*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:01:43 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > But unless you think everybody in the world is going to lay down their
> > arms, or get into a conventional war like WWII, we need military R&D
> > to keep (or get) a step ahead of the bad guys.
>
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> i understand what you are saying, but our current enemies aren't exactly
> using cutting-edge technology, so i'm a little skeptical that tech will be
> our salvation. * it may be a little simpler, like refraining from invading
> and trying to occupy their countries.

Well, yeah, that would have been nice. But now that we've got the
smelly stuff all over our shoes (so to speak), we need to deal with
it.

We can't adopt their method of warfare, but we can use high tech to
find them and kill them. Broadly speaking, my husband's been
working on finding man-made objects even when they're obscured
by camo nets, a layer of dirt, bushes, etc.

Cindy Hamilton

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> I want my Senator to stay on as chairman of the Senate Armed Services
>> Committee
>> (both my husband and I work for the military-industrial complex), and
>> my rep
>> to stay on the Energy and Commerce Comittee, where he's Chairman
>> Emeritus.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> So you want to stay on the government dole? If we need military
> stuff, I say buy the best, but if we don't need it, save the tax
> dollars. Buying airplanes and submarines just to keep jobs is a poor
> economical reason.

It's not just to keep jobs, it's to keep capabilities. If Electric Boat
goes under, then when a need comes for replacements for worn out submarines,
where are they going to come from? A new startup with no relevant
experience, or do we buy them from the Russians?

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:50:21 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>>> I want my Senator to stay on as chairman of the Senate Armed Services
>>> Committee
>>> (both my husband and I work for the military-industrial complex), and
>>> my rep
>>> to stay on the Energy and Commerce Comittee, where he's Chairman
>>> Emeritus.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> So you want to stay on the government dole? If we need military
>> stuff, I say buy the best, but if we don't need it, save the tax
>> dollars. Buying airplanes and submarines just to keep jobs is a poor
>> economical reason.
>
> It's not just to keep jobs, it's to keep capabilities. If Electric Boat
> goes under, then when a need comes for replacements for worn out submarines,
> where are they going to come from? A new startup with no relevant
> experience, or do we buy them from the Russians?

get 'em at wal-mart.

your pal,
blake

> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:50:21 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:

>> It's not just to keep jobs, it's to keep capabilities. If Electric Boat
>> goes under, then when a need comes for replacements for worn out
>> submarines,
>> where are they going to come from? A new startup with no relevant
>> experience, or do we buy them from the Russians?

Bath Iron Works, Newport News, and a few other places. EB is about gone
already. Yes, we have to maintain capability, but we have to do it in a
sensible manner. Everything I read in the paper is some Senator talking
about saving jobs, no matter what the cost.

It few want to keep our country ready and capable, we have to get some of
the skills back that are now in China. Manufacturing has been going to crap
here for years, and not just for toasters and can openers.

J. Clarke > wrote:

> If Electric Boat goes under, then when a need comes for
> replacements for worn out submarines, where are they going to
> come from? A new startup with no relevant experience, or do
> we buy them from the Russians?

For an amusing story along these lines, look up "Fogbank".

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
> J. Clarke > wrote:
>
>> If Electric Boat goes under, then when a need comes for
>> replacements for worn out submarines, where are they going to
>> come from? A new startup with no relevant experience, or do
>> we buy them from the Russians?
>
> For an amusing story along these lines, look up "Fogbank".

Three cheers for the government. Bronx that is.

"J. Clarke" wrote:
>
> It's not just to keep jobs, it's to keep capabilities. If Electric Boat
> goes under, then when a need comes for replacements for worn out submarines,
> where are they going to come from? A new startup with no relevant
> experience, or do we buy them from the Russians?

The British and French make nuclear submarines.
We could buy those.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> "J. Clarke" wrote:
>>
>> It's not just to keep jobs, it's to keep capabilities. If Electric
>> Boat goes under, then when a need comes for replacements for worn
>> out submarines, where are they going to come from? A new startup
>> with no relevant experience, or do we buy them from the Russians?
>
> The British and French make nuclear submarines.
> We could buy those.

And if they decide to shut downt their programs? And would you want to live
on top of a French reactor?

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:02:06 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:

> "J. Clarke" wrote:
>>
>> It's not just to keep jobs, it's to keep capabilities. If Electric Boat
>> goes under, then when a need comes for replacements for worn out submarines,
>> where are they going to come from? A new startup with no relevant
>> experience, or do we buy them from the Russians?
>
> The British and French make nuclear submarines.
> We could buy those.

but the instruction books would be in that faggy british english or
french!!! why do you hate america!!!!

your pal,
blake

Dimitri wrote:
>
> I believe voting is a very important right/privilege. I have not missed an
> election since my 21st birthday. (21 then to vote)
>
> This next election, as always, 100% of the House of Representatives & 1/3 of
> the US Senate are up for reelection.
>
> Based upon the current political climate I respectfully suggest we vote ALL
> incumbents out of office regardless of party affiliation.
>
> --
> Dimitri
>
> Searing
>
> http://kitchenguide.wordpress.com.

I do not disagree! It's always important to vote, and I do each
election time. The sad thing is many folks do not (sigh). At the
recent Illinois state primary election, I was voter #64 (or something
like that) in my particular district - and that was around 3pm! The
news reports mentioned there was less than 20% voter turnout throughout
the state. Now that's truly pitiful

Sky

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

On Feb 17, 1:59*pm, Sky > wrote:
> Dimitri wrote:
>
> > I believe voting is a very important right/privilege. *I have not missed an
> > election since my 21st birthday. (21 then to vote)
>
> > This next election, as always, 100% of the House of Representatives & 1/3 of
> > the US Senate are up for reelection.
>
> > Based upon the current political climate I respectfully suggest *we vote ALL
> > incumbents out of office regardless of party affiliation.
>
> > --
> > Dimitri
>
> > Searing
>
> >http://kitchenguide.wordpress.com.
>
> I do not disagree! *It's always important to vote, and I do each
> election time. *The sad thing is many folks do not (sigh). *At the
> recent Illinois state primary election, I was voter #64 (or something
> like that) in my particular district - and that was around 3pm! *The
> news reports mentioned there was less than 20% voter turnout throughout
> the state. *Now that's truly pitiful
>
> Sky
>
> --
> Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
> Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

I think a lot of folks don't think their vote really means anything
anymore. Government is so much tied to big business that the common
folk don't feel that their interests are being cared for and can you
blame them? Tax and spend...tax and spend. Nothing has changed in 50
years. Taxes keep going up, there is no control on health care costs,
yada, yada, yada.

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:13:35 -0800 (PST), Chemo the Clown
> wrote:

>I think a lot of folks don't think their vote really means anything
>anymore. Government is so much tied to big business that the common
>folk don't feel that their interests are being cared for and can you
>blame them?

And the Supremes just piled on by essentially granting First Amendment
rights to corporations - and those corporations may be foreign owned
and/or controlled. Free speech just became damned 'spensive, Loosey.

> Tax and spend...tax and spend. Nothing has changed in 50
>years. Taxes keep going up, there is no control on health care costs,
>yada, yada, yada.

Yup, and all brought to you by pork barrel politics, fat cat
politicians and big bucks lobbyists pouring greenbacks into Congress
like a tidal wave.

A "government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not
perish from the earth," huh? Old Abe must be rolling in his grave.

OB: 3 weeks before the big house move, we're trying to use up as many
perishables as we can, which is liable to make for some very weird
meals.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

---

"If the soup had been as warm as the wine,
if the wine had been as old as the turkey,
and if the turkey had had a breast like the maid,
it would have been a swell dinner." Duncan Hines

It's Ash Wednesday.
good Catholics supposed to have burned up all the good stuff yesterday
and be liviing on fish and dirt.
>
> OB: 3 weeks before the big house move, we're trying to use up as many
> perishables as we can, which is liable to make for some very weird
> meals.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>

"bulka" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
> It's Ash Wednesday.
> good Catholics supposed to have burned up all the good stuff yesterday
> and be liviing on fish and dirt.
>>

The only thing worse than a bad Catholic is a good Catholic. And I can say
that, I had my First Holy Communion.

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
...
>I believe voting is a very important right/privilege. I have not missed an
>election since my 21st birthday. (21 then to vote)
>
> This next election, as always, 100% of the House of Representatives & 1/3
> of the US Senate are up for reelection.
>
> Based upon the current political climate I respectfully suggest we vote
> ALL incumbents out of office regardless of party affiliation.
>
Yeah, the last bunch we had were so much better.

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I believe voting is a very important right/privilege. I have not missed
>>an election since my 21st birthday. (21 then to vote)
>>
>> This next election, as always, 100% of the House of Representatives & 1/3
>> of the US Senate are up for reelection.
>>
>> Based upon the current political climate I respectfully suggest we vote
>> ALL incumbents out of office regardless of party affiliation.
>>
> Yeah, the last bunch we had were so much better.

They're all BAD maybe if we change them all they may get a clue we pay
attention to their lack of effort.

IMHO they are spitting in our faces.


--
Dimitri

Searing

http://kitchenguide.wordpress.com.

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:08:47 -0800, Dimitri wrote:

> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I believe voting is a very important right/privilege. I have not missed
>>>an election since my 21st birthday. (21 then to vote)
>>>
>>> This next election, as always, 100% of the House of Representatives & 1/3
>>> of the US Senate are up for reelection.
>>>
>>> Based upon the current political climate I respectfully suggest we vote
>>> ALL incumbents out of office regardless of party affiliation.
>>>
>> Yeah, the last bunch we had were so much better.
>
> They're all BAD maybe if we change them all they may get a clue we pay
> attention to their lack of effort.
>
> IMHO they are spitting in our faces.

how do you propose i vote to remove inhofe and mcconnel (and other assorted
republican goofballs) while maintaining a residence in maryland?

your pal,
blake

In article >,
says...

>
> how do you propose i vote to remove inhofe and mcconnel (and other assorted
> republican goofballs) while maintaining a residence in maryland?
>
> your pal,
> blake

Acorn? George Soros?

Scotty

--
Can I haz Cheezeburger?

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:50:15 -0500, I am Tosk wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
>
>>
>> how do you propose i vote to remove inhofe and mcconnel (and other assorted
>> republican goofballs) while maintaining a residence in maryland?
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Acorn? George Soros?
>
> Scotty

i *wish* soros was as powerful as some of these goobers think he is.
(check out the way richard scaife and a couple other lunatic billionaires
used to throw their money around sometime.)

as for acorn, they work to register people to vote (among other things).
they don't tell them who to vote for. the fact that it's mostly poor and
non-white people bothers right-wingers because not many of those folks are
foolish enough to vote republican.

your pal,
blake

Dimitri wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I believe voting is a very important right/privilege. I have not
>>> missed an election since my 21st birthday. (21 then to vote)
>>>
>>> This next election, as always, 100% of the House of Representatives
>>> & 1/3 of the US Senate are up for reelection.
>>>
>>> Based upon the current political climate I respectfully suggest we
>>> vote ALL incumbents out of office regardless of party affiliation.
>>>
>> Yeah, the last bunch we had were so much better.
>
> They're all BAD maybe if we change them all they may get a clue we pay
> attention to their lack of effort.
>
> IMHO they are spitting in our faces.

It's what politicians do. The kind of person who wants to be an elected
official is generally the kind who should not be in a position of authority.
But if nobody else wants the job, what do you do?

J. Clarke wrote:

> It's what politicians do. The kind of person who wants to be an elected
> official is generally the kind who should not be in a position of authority.
> But if nobody else wants the job, what do you do?

I think you're right. It's sort of a catch 22 type of situation. The
desire to be a politician is often an indication that a person isn't
really qualified. They are too often in it because it is a career move
rather than an opportunity to serve the community.

Maybe one of the major problems is campaign spending and contributions.
It seems that too many politicians are more interested in serving the
interests of their campaign contributors than the general public.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
> > It's what politicians do. The kind of person who wants to be an elected
> > official is generally the kind who should not be in a position of authority.
> > But if nobody else wants the job, what do you do?
>
> I think you're right. It's sort of a catch 22 type of situation. The
> desire to be a politician is often an indication that a person isn't
> really qualified. They are too often in it because it is a career move
> rather than an opportunity to serve the community.
>
> Maybe one of the major problems is campaign spending and contributions.
> It seems that too many politicians are more interested in serving the
> interests of their campaign contributors than the general public.

I have a theory that we'd have better government
if random members of the public were drafted into
public service, sort of like the jury system.

On Feb 18, 3:15*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
> > It's what politicians do. *The kind of person who wants to be an elected
> > official is generally the kind who should not be in a position of authority.
> > But if nobody else wants the job, what do you do?
>
> I think you're right. It's sort of a catch 22 type of situation. *The
> desire to be a politician is often an indication that a person isn't
> really qualified. They are too often in it because it is a career move
> rather than an opportunity to serve the community.
>
> Maybe one of the major problems is campaign spending and contributions.
> It seems that too many politicians are more interested in serving the
> interests of their campaign contributors than the general public.

Actually, I think one of the major problems is television. It's more
important
to look good than to be good. Plus, paying for tv time is where most
of
the money is needed, which distorts the whole process.

Cindy Hamilton