[x-posted to rec.travel.europe and rec.food.cooking...]


Some Guy wrote:

> So this is why the US has a no-fly list.


Yup..don't you LOVE it...???


> The great, FREE, USA has to maintain a list of people to keep out of
> the country just because of what they think. Free speech eh? What a
> crock. The US has become one of the world'a formost Orwellian states,
> right up there with Iran and North Korea.


So sez Chicken Little...

*lol*


> ------------------------
>
> The Former Cat Stevens Gets Plane Diverted
>
> Flight Diverted After Yusuf Islam, Aka Cat Stevens, Found to Be on
> U.S. Watch List
>
> The Associated Press
>
> WASHINGTON Sept. 21, 2004 - A London-to-Washington flight was diverted
> to Maine on Tuesday when it was discovered passenger Yusuf Islam
> formerly known as singer Cat Stevens was on a government watch list
> and barred from entering the country, two federal officials said.
>
> United Airlines Flight 919 was en route to Dulles International
> Airport when the match was made between a passenger and a name on the
> watch list, said Nico Melendez, a spokesman for the Transportation
> Security Administration. The plane was met by federal agents at
> Maine's Bangor International Airport around 3 p.m., Melendez said.
>
> The two federal officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity,
> identified the passenger as Islam. They said Islam was denied entry on
> national security grounds, but had no details about why the peace
> activist


Heh. "Peace activist" my arse. The terms "Muslim" and "peace activist" are
mutually exclusive, there is no such animal as a Muslim "peace activist".

Glad we have a "no fly" list to keep such vermin out of the country. They
can go peddle their rubbish some other place...

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow writes:

> Glad we have a "no fly" list to keep such vermin out of the country.

If one of them decides to adopt an alias of Gregory Morrow, you may
change your mind.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

>Gregory Morrow writes:
>
>
>
>>Glad we have a "no fly" list to keep such vermin out of the country.
>>
>>
>
>If one of them decides to adopt an alias of Gregory Morrow, you may
>change your mind.
>
>

Or Kevin Nelson ...

Or Ted Kennedy ...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5765143/

"Gary L. Dare" > wrote in message
...
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> >Gregory Morrow writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Glad we have a "no fly" list to keep such vermin out of the country.
> >>
> >>> > > Or Ted Kennedy ...


I wonder what Mary Jo Koepchne has to say about that.
> >

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:22:52 -0700, "Gary L. Dare"
> wrote:


>>>Glad we have a "no fly" list to keep such vermin out of the country.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>If one of them decides to adopt an alias of Gregory Morrow, you may
>>change your mind.
>>
>>
>
>Or Kevin Nelson ...
>
>Or Ted Kennedy ...
>
>http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5765143/
>

May be Kennedy was on a no Drive list.
Pan Ohco

And, if you read a recent TIME magazine article,

Some 200 aliens crossed the border illegally
every day in southern Arizona......

Think of that next time you have to
provide proof of identity,
have your luggage searched
pass through a metal detector
and
take your shoes off
just to take an airline trip.

????


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:45:35 -0500, Pan Ohco > wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:22:52 -0700, "Gary L. Dare"
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>Glad we have a "no fly" list to keep such vermin out of the country.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>If one of them decides to adopt an alias of Gregory Morrow, you may
>>>change your mind.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Or Kevin Nelson ...
>>
>>Or Ted Kennedy ...
>>
>>http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5765143/
>>
>
>May be Kennedy was on a no Drive list.
>Pan Ohco

<rj>

And, if you read a recent TIME magazine article,

Some 200 aliens crossed the border illegally
every day in southern Arizona......

Think of that next time you have to
provide proof of identity,
have your luggage searched
pass through a metal detector
and
take your shoes off
just to take an airline trip.

????


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:45:35 -0500, Pan Ohco > wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:22:52 -0700, "Gary L. Dare"
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>Glad we have a "no fly" list to keep such vermin out of the country.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>If one of them decides to adopt an alias of Gregory Morrow, you may
>>>change your mind.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Or Kevin Nelson ...
>>
>>Or Ted Kennedy ...
>>
>>http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5765143/
>>
>
>May be Kennedy was on a no Drive list.
>Pan Ohco

<rj>

"Gary L. Dare" > wrote in message
...
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> >Gregory Morrow writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Glad we have a "no fly" list to keep such vermin out of the country.
> >>
> >>> > > Or Ted Kennedy ...


I wonder what Mary Jo Koepchne has to say about that.
> >

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:22:52 -0700, "Gary L. Dare"
> wrote:


>>>Glad we have a "no fly" list to keep such vermin out of the country.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>If one of them decides to adopt an alias of Gregory Morrow, you may
>>change your mind.
>>
>>
>
>Or Kevin Nelson ...
>
>Or Ted Kennedy ...
>
>http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5765143/
>

May be Kennedy was on a no Drive list.
Pan Ohco

Mxsmanic wrote:

>Gregory Morrow writes:
>
>
>
>>Glad we have a "no fly" list to keep such vermin out of the country.
>>
>>
>
>If one of them decides to adopt an alias of Gregory Morrow, you may
>change your mind.
>
>

Or Kevin Nelson ...

Or Ted Kennedy ...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5765143/

>> The great, FREE, USA has to maintain a list of people to keep out of
>> the country just because of what they think.

The idea is not to keep them out of the country. It's to keep them out of the
air.

On 23 Sep 2004 00:01:32 GMT, (WardNA) wrote:

>>> The great, FREE, USA has to maintain a list of people to keep out of
>>> the country just because of what they think.
>
>The idea is not to keep them out of the country. It's to keep them out of the
>air.
Ya think he could come in on a cruz ship??? The list is meant to
keep terrorist and sympathisers out of this country.. He and his kin
say he aint one and dont support them.. my moto is better safe than
sorry (within some kind of reason)

We all make choices. He seems to have made some awkward ones...

Old Guy with No Pony tails

On 23 Sep 2004 00:01:32 GMT, (WardNA) wrote:

>>> The great, FREE, USA has to maintain a list of people to keep out of
>>> the country just because of what they think.
>
>The idea is not to keep them out of the country. It's to keep them out of the
>air.
Ya think he could come in on a cruz ship??? The list is meant to
keep terrorist and sympathisers out of this country.. He and his kin
say he aint one and dont support them.. my moto is better safe than
sorry (within some kind of reason)

We all make choices. He seems to have made some awkward ones...

Old Guy with No Pony tails

On 23 Sep 2004 00:01:32 GMT, (WardNA) wrote:

>>> The great, FREE, USA has to maintain a list of people to keep out of
>>> the country just because of what they think.
>
>The idea is not to keep them out of the country. It's to keep them out of the
>air.
Ya think he could come in on a cruz ship??? The list is meant to
keep terrorist and sympathisers out of this country.. He and his kin
say he aint one and dont support them.. my moto is better safe than
sorry (within some kind of reason)

We all make choices. He seems to have made some awkward ones...

Old Guy with No Pony tails

>Nope. He's been refused entry into the country.
>
But that's different than his being on the no-fly list.

WardNA > wrote:
>>Nope. He's been refused entry into the country.
>>
> But that's different than his being on the no-fly list.

True, but he was already on the plane and within minutes
of reaching his destination so being on the no-fly list did
not prevent Cat Stevens from boarding a plane and flying.

In Tulsa, OK 17 illegales were stopped by local police on Monday.Local police
contacted INS. INS told local police let them go. Why are we worried about one
individual when they are coming in to the US by the truck load.

> wrote:

> WardNA > wrote:
> >>Nope. He's been refused entry into the country.
> >>
> > But that's different than his being on the no-fly list.
>
> True, but he was already on the plane and within minutes
> of reaching his destination so being on the no-fly list did
> not prevent Cat Stevens from boarding a plane and flying.
>


IIRC Stanley the passenger manifests are transmitted to the TSA or whoever
after the passengers have actually checked in and the flight has taken off.
The various foreign governments (in this case the UK) do not act as agents
of the TSA *per se*, they just transmit the passenger manifests to the US
government. There was initially some controversy over this, as some
governments thought it was intrusive and abrogated their sovereign rights
(the Czech Repbublic was one most recently). But it's a requirement now for
US - bound flights, e.g. if the foreign governments don't cooperate in this
matter then their flights cannot receive clearance to land in the USA...

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow > wrote:

> IIRC Stanley the passenger manifests are transmitted to the TSA or whoever
> after the passengers have actually checked in and the flight has taken off.
> The various foreign governments (in this case the UK) do not act as agents
> of the TSA *per se*, they just transmit the passenger manifests to the US
> government. There was initially some controversy over this, as some
> governments thought it was intrusive and abrogated their sovereign rights
> (the Czech Repbublic was one most recently). But it's a requirement now for
> US - bound flights, e.g. if the foreign governments don't cooperate in this
> matter then their flights cannot receive clearance to land in the USA...

But the plane did land in the United States.

> wrote:

>>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> > IIRC Stanley the passenger manifests are transmitted to the TSA or
whoever
> > after the passengers have actually checked in and the flight has taken
off.
> > The various foreign governments (in this case the UK) do not act as
agents
> > of the TSA *per se*, they just transmit the passenger manifests to the
US
> > government. There was initially some controversy over this, as some
> > governments thought it was intrusive and abrogated their sovereign
rights
> > (the Czech Repbublic was one most recently). But it's a requirement now
for
> > US - bound flights, e.g. if the foreign governments don't cooperate in
this
> > matter then their flights cannot receive clearance to land in the USA...
>
> But the plane did land in the United States.


That's because United Airlines adheres to the TSA requirements :-)

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow > wrote:

> IIRC Stanley the passenger manifests are transmitted to the TSA or whoever
> after the passengers have actually checked in and the flight has taken off.
> The various foreign governments (in this case the UK) do not act as agents
> of the TSA *per se*, they just transmit the passenger manifests to the US
> government. There was initially some controversy over this, as some
> governments thought it was intrusive and abrogated their sovereign rights
> (the Czech Repbublic was one most recently). But it's a requirement now for
> US - bound flights, e.g. if the foreign governments don't cooperate in this
> matter then their flights cannot receive clearance to land in the USA...

But the plane did land in the United States.

> wrote:

> WardNA > wrote:
> >>Nope. He's been refused entry into the country.
> >>
> > But that's different than his being on the no-fly list.
>
> True, but he was already on the plane and within minutes
> of reaching his destination so being on the no-fly list did
> not prevent Cat Stevens from boarding a plane and flying.
>


IIRC Stanley the passenger manifests are transmitted to the TSA or whoever
after the passengers have actually checked in and the flight has taken off.
The various foreign governments (in this case the UK) do not act as agents
of the TSA *per se*, they just transmit the passenger manifests to the US
government. There was initially some controversy over this, as some
governments thought it was intrusive and abrogated their sovereign rights
(the Czech Repbublic was one most recently). But it's a requirement now for
US - bound flights, e.g. if the foreign governments don't cooperate in this
matter then their flights cannot receive clearance to land in the USA...

--
Best
Greg

"WardNA" > wrote in message
...
> >Nope. He's been refused entry into the country.
> >
> But that's different than his being on the no-fly list.

According to a story in today's paper, the list in people who are "not
allowed to fly into the US." So it's not clear - could he come in by land? I
think the idea is that flights from overseas to the US are the most obvious
targets for terrorists wanting to crash into US targets, hence the list.
Still,nit's just plain stupid to put someone on the list because
(paraphrasing the government) "we think that an organization he gave money
to may have ties to terrorists."


--
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Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message . com>...
> "WardNA" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >Nope. He's been refused entry into the country.
> > >
> > But that's different than his being on the no-fly list.
>
> According to a story in today's paper, the list in people who are "not
> allowed to fly into the US." So it's not clear - could he come in by land? I
> think the idea is that flights from overseas to the US are the most obvious
> targets for terrorists wanting to crash into US targets, hence the list.
> Still,nit's just plain stupid to put someone on the list because
> (paraphrasing the government) "we think that an organization he gave money
> to may have ties to terrorists."


So why was Cat Stephens daughter allowed in the country --does she not
have connections with her father!!!!!

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message . com>...
> "WardNA" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >Nope. He's been refused entry into the country.
> > >
> > But that's different than his being on the no-fly list.
>
> According to a story in today's paper, the list in people who are "not
> allowed to fly into the US." So it's not clear - could he come in by land? I
> think the idea is that flights from overseas to the US are the most obvious
> targets for terrorists wanting to crash into US targets, hence the list.
> Still,nit's just plain stupid to put someone on the list because
> (paraphrasing the government) "we think that an organization he gave money
> to may have ties to terrorists."


So why was Cat Stephens daughter allowed in the country --does she not
have connections with her father!!!!!

>>So this is why the US has a no-fly list.
>
> Yup..don't you LOVE it...???
>
>
>>The great, FREE, USA has to maintain a list of people to keep out of
>>the country just because of what they think.


and those that make sizeable donations to terrorist organizations.


--
To live outside the law, you must be honest...
(Absolutely Sweet Marie - Blonde on Blonde - 1966)

Anonymous writes:

> and those that make sizeable donations to terrorist organizations.

Like the IRA?

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Mxsmanic wrote:

> Anonymous writes:
>
>
>>and those that make sizeable donations to terrorist organizations.
>
>
> Like the IRA?
>

Frank Sinatra's thoughts on terrorists. (sound on)

http://www.beecy.net/frank/

--
Steve

Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a mistake
when you make it again.

Following up to Steve Calvin

>> Like the IRA?
>>
>
>Frank Sinatra's thoughts on terrorists. (sound on)
>
>http://www.beecy.net/frank/

things you find on the net, is there one about NORAID.
--
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Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Following up to The Reids

>is there one about NORAID.

or the Mafia?
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Following up to The Reids

>is there one about NORAID.

or the Mafia?
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Following up to The Reids

>is there one about NORAID.

or the Mafia?
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

I bet the name Frank Sinatra is on the no-fly list too.

"Steve Calvin" > wrote in message
...
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
>> Anonymous writes:
>>
>>
>>>and those that make sizeable donations to terrorist organizations.
>>
>>
>> Like the IRA?
>>
>
> Frank Sinatra's thoughts on terrorists. (sound on)
>
> http://www.beecy.net/frank/
>
> --
> Steve
>
> Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a mistake
> when you make it again.
>

Following up to Steve Calvin

>> Like the IRA?
>>
>
>Frank Sinatra's thoughts on terrorists. (sound on)
>
>http://www.beecy.net/frank/

things you find on the net, is there one about NORAID.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Anonymous writes:
>
>> and those that make sizeable donations to terrorist organizations.
>
> Like the IRA?
>
Of course !

"Off to Dublin in the Green" by Dominic Behan

It has a carefree happy air, full of optimism, and a stirring chorus.
(Just what you need when heading out on a suicide mission.)

Its subtitle is "The Merry Ploughboy", reflecting the social standing of
many (if not most) of the rebels.

David Gee wrote:

> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Anonymous writes:

>>>and those that make sizeable donations to terrorist organizations.
>>
>>Like the IRA?

> Of course !
>
> "Off to Dublin in the Green" by Dominic Behan
>
> It has a carefree happy air, full of optimism, and a stirring chorus.
> (Just what you need when heading out on a suicide mission.)
>
> Its subtitle is "The Merry Ploughboy", reflecting the social standing of
> many (if not most) of the rebels.

For an interesting presentation of terrorism from an Irish point of view
you might consider the movie "Michael Collins" from about 10 years ago.
It presents an interesting view of the period from 1910 - 1925 and the
major Irish characters.

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:24:05 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> wrote:

>David Gee wrote:
>
>> "Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Anonymous writes:
>
>>>>and those that make sizeable donations to terrorist organizations.
>>>
>>>Like the IRA?
>
>> Of course !
>>
>> "Off to Dublin in the Green" by Dominic Behan
>>
>> It has a carefree happy air, full of optimism, and a stirring chorus.
>> (Just what you need when heading out on a suicide mission.)
>>
>> Its subtitle is "The Merry Ploughboy", reflecting the social standing of
>> many (if not most) of the rebels.
>
>For an interesting presentation of terrorism from an Irish point of view
>you might consider the movie "Michael Collins" from about 10 years ago.
> It presents an interesting view of the period from 1910 - 1925 and the
>major Irish characters.

I'm sure there are interesting films from the point of view of
Palestinian terrorists, Al Qaeda terrorists, Basque terrorists, etc.
--==++AJC++==--

Mxsmanic wrote:

> Anonymous writes:
>
>
>>and those that make sizeable donations to terrorist organizations.
>
>
> Like the IRA?
>

Frank Sinatra's thoughts on terrorists. (sound on)

http://www.beecy.net/frank/

--
Steve

Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a mistake
when you make it again.

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Anonymous writes:
>
>> and those that make sizeable donations to terrorist organizations.
>
> Like the IRA?
>
Of course !

"Off to Dublin in the Green" by Dominic Behan

It has a carefree happy air, full of optimism, and a stirring chorus.
(Just what you need when heading out on a suicide mission.)

Its subtitle is "The Merry Ploughboy", reflecting the social standing of
many (if not most) of the rebels.

Anonymous writes:

> and those that make sizeable donations to terrorist organizations.

Like the IRA?

--
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