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Wayne Boatwright 10-12-2003 04:23 AM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can put
someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go on
in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu Christe,
I'm sick to death of it. No one can have a normal "conversation" here
without his insulting and demeaning, or crude and lewd remarks. I guess he
has never recognized the fact that this isn't a porno site or one where
people seek abuse.

The occasional recipes or constructive comments that HE occasionally posts
is not entitlement to run roughshod over a group of very enlightened and
interesting people the majority of the time.

I know there's no solution. His followers won't let him go, and he
wouldn't go even if they did. I'm afraid he'll be a blot on the landscape
of rfc until the day he dies.

Flame away...I know you will.

Wayne

TonyP 10-12-2003 04:46 AM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:23:19 +0000, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
> single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can put
> someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
> inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go on
> in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu Christe,
> I'm sick to death of it. No one can have a normal "conversation" here
> without his insulting and demeaning, or crude and lewd remarks. I guess he
> has never recognized the fact that this isn't a porno site or one where
> people seek abuse.
>
> The occasional recipes or constructive comments that HE occasionally posts
> is not entitlement to run roughshod over a group of very enlightened and
> interesting people the majority of the time.
>
> I know there's no solution. His followers won't let him go, and he
> wouldn't go even if they did. I'm afraid he'll be a blot on the landscape
> of rfc until the day he dies.
>
> Flame away...I know you will.
>
> Wayne


Welcome to Usenet, use your news reader filters and he doesn't exist
anymore.


Jack B 10-12-2003 04:49 AM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
In article >, Wayne
Boatwright > wrote:

> Ever notice how it's always all about HIM?


Of course. When he's off his good behavior he's a complete ****ant.
Been that way for years, and nobody really likes it, far as I can tell.

But he corrected a posting of mine a few days ago, and he was right.
Did so in a boorish way, but... he was right.

Since this is a public place, and since the public comprises many
boors... just let it go. Ignore the silliness, scoop up the good stuff.

--
Jack

Wayne Boatwright 10-12-2003 04:51 AM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
TonyP > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:23:19 +0000, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into
>> every single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well
>> HE can put someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty,
>> filthy mind has to inject smut into most of the comments he makes?
>> The "how HE" could go on in finitum, but to really enumerate would
>> serve no purpose. Jesu Christe, I'm sick to death of it. No one can
>> have a normal "conversation" here without his insulting and
>> demeaning, or crude and lewd remarks. I guess he has never
>> recognized the fact that this isn't a porno site or one where people
>> seek abuse.
>>
>> The occasional recipes or constructive comments that HE occasionally
>> posts is not entitlement to run roughshod over a group of very
>> enlightened and interesting people the majority of the time.
>>
>> I know there's no solution. His followers won't let him go, and he
>> wouldn't go even if they did. I'm afraid he'll be a blot on the
>> landscape of rfc until the day he dies.
>>
>> Flame away...I know you will.
>>
>> Wayne

>
> Welcome to Usenet, use your news reader filters and he doesn't exist
> anymore.
>
>


Yes, I know. I have never "plonked" anyone; I've never needed to. I
think it may be about time.

Wayne Boatwright 10-12-2003 05:05 AM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
Jack B > wrote in news:091220032249322257%
:

> In article >, Wayne
> Boatwright > wrote:
>
>> Ever notice how it's always all about HIM?

>
> Of course. When he's off his good behavior he's a complete ****ant.
> Been that way for years, and nobody really likes it, far as I can tell.
>
> But he corrected a posting of mine a few days ago, and he was right.
> Did so in a boorish way, but... he was right.
>
> Since this is a public place, and since the public comprises many
> boors... just let it go. Ignore the silliness, scoop up the good stuff.
>


You're right, of course, Jack. As TonyP suggested, it's definitely time to
use a filter. His aggravation is not worth my time.

Thanks, Jack...

Wayne

TonyP 10-12-2003 05:06 AM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:51:03 +0000, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> TonyP > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:23:19 +0000, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>> Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into
>>> every single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well
>>> HE can put someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty,
>>> filthy mind has to inject smut into most of the comments he makes?
>>> The "how HE" could go on in finitum, but to really enumerate would
>>> serve no purpose. Jesu Christe, I'm sick to death of it. No one can
>>> have a normal "conversation" here without his insulting and
>>> demeaning, or crude and lewd remarks. I guess he has never
>>> recognized the fact that this isn't a porno site or one where people
>>> seek abuse.
>>>
>>> The occasional recipes or constructive comments that HE occasionally
>>> posts is not entitlement to run roughshod over a group of very
>>> enlightened and interesting people the majority of the time.
>>>
>>> I know there's no solution. His followers won't let him go, and he
>>> wouldn't go even if they did. I'm afraid he'll be a blot on the
>>> landscape of rfc until the day he dies.
>>>
>>> Flame away...I know you will.
>>>
>>> Wayne

>>
>> Welcome to Usenet, use your news reader filters and he doesn't exist
>> anymore.
>>
>>

>
> Yes, I know. I have never "plonked" anyone; I've never needed to. I
> think it may be about time.


He is funny once in a while, you have to admit... take it for what it is,
some rude guys opinion (maybe he needs *some*). There's a lot of topic
changing here with the click group, it's not just him. It's Usenet.



Wayne Boatwright 10-12-2003 05:16 AM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
TonyP > wrote in
:


>> Yes, I know. I have never "plonked" anyone; I've never needed to. I
>> think it may be about time.

>
> He is funny once in a while, you have to admit... take it for what it
> is, some rude guys opinion (maybe he needs *some*). There's a lot of
> topic changing here with the click group, it's not just him. It's
> Usenet.


I'll admit he can be funny on occasion, albeit, usually at someone else's
expense. Oh, he definitely needs "something", but I'm more inclined to
think it's an enema...he's so full of s#@%! Topic changing usually never
bothers me and I usually participate. Although, I'll admit that I
overreacted about my cheddar cheese post. <G> I've been on Usenet since
long before the web and general Internet use. Yes, it's Usenet! Luckily,
I've never before had to put up with something like this. Luckier still, I
can set my newsreader with permanent filters!

Cheers
Wayne


TonyP 10-12-2003 05:43 AM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:16:51 +0000, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> TonyP > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>> Yes, I know. I have never "plonked" anyone; I've never needed to. I
>>> think it may be about time.

>>
>> He is funny once in a while, you have to admit... take it for what it
>> is, some rude guys opinion (maybe he needs *some*). There's a lot of
>> topic changing here with the click group, it's not just him. It's
>> Usenet.

>
> I'll admit he can be funny on occasion, albeit, usually at someone else's
> expense. Oh, he definitely needs "something", but I'm more inclined to
> think it's an enema...he's so full of s#@%! Topic changing usually never
> bothers me and I usually participate. Although, I'll admit that I
> overreacted about my cheddar cheese post. <G> I've been on Usenet since
> long before the web and general Internet use. Yes, it's Usenet! Luckily,
> I've never before had to put up with something like this. Luckier still, I
> can set my newsreader with permanent filters!



Don't let him get to you Wayne, everyone here knows how he is (like a bad
family member). Relax, take his comments for what they are (bullshit) and
enjoy the other posts. :)




Wayne Boatwright 10-12-2003 06:03 AM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
TonyP > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:16:51 +0000, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> TonyP > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>
>>>> Yes, I know. I have never "plonked" anyone; I've never needed to.
>>>> I think it may be about time.
>>>
>>> He is funny once in a while, you have to admit... take it for what
>>> it is, some rude guys opinion (maybe he needs *some*). There's a
>>> lot of topic changing here with the click group, it's not just him.
>>> It's Usenet.

>>
>> I'll admit he can be funny on occasion, albeit, usually at someone
>> else's expense. Oh, he definitely needs "something", but I'm more
>> inclined to think it's an enema...he's so full of s#@%! Topic
>> changing usually never bothers me and I usually participate.
>> Although, I'll admit that I overreacted about my cheddar cheese post.
>> <G> I've been on Usenet since long before the web and general
>> Internet use. Yes, it's Usenet! Luckily, I've never before had to
>> put up with something like this. Luckier still, I can set my
>> newsreader with permanent filters!

>
>
> Don't let him get to you Wayne, everyone here knows how he is (like a
> bad family member). Relax, take his comments for what they are
> (bullshit) and enjoy the other posts. :)
>
>
>
>


Thanks, Tony. Good advice!

Wayne

Gregory Morrow 10-12-2003 10:42 AM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
. ..
> Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
> single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can put
> someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
> inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go on
> in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu Christe,
> I'm sick to death of it. No one can have a normal "conversation" here
> without his insulting and demeaning, or crude and lewd remarks. I guess

he
> has never recognized the fact that this isn't a porno site or one where
> people seek abuse.
>
> The occasional recipes or constructive comments that HE occasionally posts
> is not entitlement to run roughshod over a group of very enlightened and
> interesting people the majority of the time.
>
> I know there's no solution. His followers won't let him go, and he
> wouldn't go even if they did. I'm afraid he'll be a blot on the landscape
> of rfc until the day he dies.
>
> Flame away...I know you will.



_Desiderata_


"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may
be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with
all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others,
even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and
aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.


If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your
achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career,
however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.


Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery. But let not this blind you to what virtue there is; many persons
strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself.
Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the
face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take
kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.


Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not
distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and
loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are
a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a
right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the
universe is unfolding as it should.


Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And
whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of life, keep
peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams; it is
still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.


Strive to be happy."


--- Max Ehrmann, 1927

</>



SportKite1 10-12-2003 11:49 AM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
>From: Wayne Boatwright

>Yes, I know. I have never "plonked" anyone; I've never needed to. I
>think it may be about time.
>


AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!
You used the dreaded plonk! Far and away more annoying than prolly.

Never could understand why folks felt it necessary to "announce" when they use
a filter and THEN actually went so far to name the action, plonk.

Ellen



Jack Schidt® 10-12-2003 12:01 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 

"SportKite1" > wrote in message
...
> >From: Wayne Boatwright

>
> >Yes, I know. I have never "plonked" anyone; I've never needed to. I
> >think it may be about time.
> >

>
> AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!
> You used the dreaded plonk! Far and away more annoying than prolly.
>
> Never could understand why folks felt it necessary to "announce" when they

use
> a filter and THEN actually went so far to name the action, plonk.
>
> Ellen
>
>


Even funnier is seeing folks still quote those who they've pl...uhh,
filtered. And to add the maraschino to the sundae, start entire threads
about it.

Jack Plunk



Z GIRL 10-12-2003 12:24 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
. ..
> Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
> single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can put
> someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
> inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go on
> in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu Christe,
> I'm sick to death of it. No one can have a normal "conversation" here
> without his insulting and demeaning, or crude and lewd remarks. I guess

he
> has never recognized the fact that this isn't a porno site or one where
> people seek abuse.
>
> The occasional recipes or constructive comments that HE occasionally posts
> is not entitlement to run roughshod over a group of very enlightened and
> interesting people the majority of the time.
>
> I know there's no solution. His followers won't let him go, and he
> wouldn't go even if they did. I'm afraid he'll be a blot on the landscape
> of rfc until the day he dies.
>
> Flame away...I know you will.
>
> Wayne


I think everyone here takes Sheldon wayyyyyyyyy to seriously. If you read
his post where he flames and don't take him seriously he is hilarious.
Lighten up Wayne.

peace,
Barbara



PENMART01 10-12-2003 02:54 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
"Z GIRL" writes:

>If you read his post where he flames and don't take him seriously
>he is hilarious. Lighten up Wayne.


Thanks, Z Girl.

Duh'Wayne is typical of the insecure ****ant who suffers from paranoid
grandiosity (a mental disorder), needs to feel he's in control but at about 40
years his age his years have finally superceded his IQ, making that
impossible... perhaps instead of constantly failing at becoming the big man on
RFC U campus he'd feel important by simply continuing perpetuating elder-abuse
on his mother. Duh'Wayne portrays the classic personalty of a Megalomaniac...
perfectly characterized in his fervid need for others to ascribe to his
distorted beliefs; to wit his initiating this thread... Duh'Wayne, you are one
sad piece of shit... get help.

He
http://www.psychiatry24x7.com/search...noid+grandiosi
ty+&imgsearch.x=21&imgsearch.y=8



---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
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````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."


NARc 10-12-2003 03:12 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:23:19 +0000, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
> single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can put
> someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
> inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go on
> in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu Christe,
> I'm sick to death of it. No one can have a normal "conversation" here


> Flame away...I know you will.
>
> Wayne


You can file a complaint at ABUSE with his internet service provider. They can
jerk his connection if complaints are substantial and justified.

N






Katra 10-12-2003 03:45 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 


NARc wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:23:19 +0000, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> > Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
> > single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can put
> > someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
> > inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go on
> > in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu Christe,
> > I'm sick to death of it. No one can have a normal "conversation" here

>
> > Flame away...I know you will.
> >
> > Wayne

>
> You can file a complaint at ABUSE with his internet service provider. They can
> jerk his connection if complaints are substantial and justified.
>
> N


Which they are not. :-)

I've been on others lists, who's list flamer/trolls were FAR worse, and
they got multiple complaints to their server....... and they are still around.

Most ISP masters know better than to take usenet seriously.
Maybe we can learn from that?????

It's an anarchy. Deal with it.

'sides, I also find Shel' to be amusing. :-)

K.

--
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Dimitri 10-12-2003 04:17 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
. ..
> Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
> single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can put
> someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
> inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go on
> in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu Christe,
> I'm sick to death of it.


<snip>

Then don't read his posts or is that too complex?

Dimitri



Jack Schidt® 10-12-2003 04:22 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
> > single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can

put
> > someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
> > inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go

on
> > in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu

Christe,
> > I'm sick to death of it.

>
> <snip>
>
> Then don't read his posts or is that too complex?
>
> Dimitri
>
>


There are way too many control freaks around. What do these guys do when
they're at a basketball game or in a barroom or train station and they hear
somebody say things they don't like? Call the cops? Have them ejected?
Sheesh, the skin around here can be as thin as those spring roll wrappers.

Jack Epidermadrama



j.j. 10-12-2003 05:09 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
Hark! I heard (SportKite1) say:
> >From: Wayne Boatwright

>
> >Yes, I know. I have never "plonked" anyone; I've never needed to. I
> >think it may be about time.


*Cough* No comment.

> AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!
> You used the dreaded plonk! Far and away more annoying than prolly.
>
> Never could understand why folks felt it necessary to "announce" when they use
> a filter and THEN actually went so far to name the action, plonk.


At one time, *public* killfiling was a prime defensive move in the
Flame Group Games -- now it's just petty and childish, regardless of
what group one does it in. I know, I'm guilty of it myself at times,
but lately I killfile threads more than authors...


--
j.j. ~ mom, gamer, novice cook ~
...fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum!

BOB 10-12-2003 05:17 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
Jack Schidt® > typed:
> "SportKite1" > wrote in message
> ...
>>> From: Wayne Boatwright

>>
>>> Yes, I know. I have never "plonked" anyone; I've never needed to. I
>>> think it may be about time.
>>>

>>
>> AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!
>> You used the dreaded plonk! Far and away more annoying than prolly.
>>
>> Never could understand why folks felt it necessary to "announce" when they use
>> a filter and THEN actually went so far to name the action, plonk.
>>
>> Ellen
>>
>>

>
> Even funnier is seeing folks still quote those who they've pl...uhh,
> filtered. And to add the maraschino to the sundae, start entire threads
> about it.
>
> Jack Plunk


I think he missed his medication _again_

BOB Plink



limey 10-12-2003 05:17 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
> single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can put
> someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
> inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go on
> in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu Christe,
> I'm sick to death of it. No one can have a normal "conversation" here
> without his insulting and demeaning, or crude and lewd remarks. I guess

he
> has never recognized the fact that this isn't a porno site or one where
> people seek abuse.
>
> The occasional recipes or constructive comments that HE occasionally posts
> is not entitlement to run roughshod over a group of very enlightened and
> interesting people the majority of the time.
>
> I know there's no solution. His followers won't let him go, and he
> wouldn't go even if they did. I'm afraid he'll be a blot on the landscape
> of rfc until the day he dies.
>
> Flame away...I know you will.
>
> Wayne


Wayne, as you say, you've used Usenet for a long time. However, Google
shows you beginning on this newsgroup in August.

Sheldon's favorite sport is hassling newbies, to see how they react. You're
making him chuckle, believe me. He flamed me badly when I first joined
rec.food.cooking and I retaliated, just like you - and got flamed again and
again. However, he has been helpful to me, has some great tips, some great
recipes, and does a lot of research. I don't want to killfile him - I
enjoy him and just overlook the blue posts. He's just as entitled to use
this newsgroup as I am, you are, or anyone else. Ride with it - either
ignore him or killfile him if you can't take the heat. There's no point in
continuing to gripe.
Peace.

Dora




BOB 10-12-2003 05:23 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
limey typed:
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
>> single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can put
>> someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
>> inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go on
>> in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu Christe,
>> I'm sick to death of it. No one can have a normal "conversation" here
>> without his insulting and demeaning, or crude and lewd remarks. I guess he
>> has never recognized the fact that this isn't a porno site or one where
>> people seek abuse.
>>
>> The occasional recipes or constructive comments that HE occasionally posts
>> is not entitlement to run roughshod over a group of very enlightened and
>> interesting people the majority of the time.
>>
>> I know there's no solution. His followers won't let him go, and he
>> wouldn't go even if they did. I'm afraid he'll be a blot on the landscape
>> of rfc until the day he dies.
>>
>> Flame away...I know you will.
>>
>> Wayne

>
> Wayne, as you say, you've used Usenet for a long time. However, Google
> shows you beginning on this newsgroup in August.


Well, *I* invented the internet!

>
> Sheldon's favorite sport is hassling newbies, to see how they react. You're
> making him chuckle, believe me.


As well as giving sheldom more ammunition

> He flamed me badly when I first joined
> rec.food.cooking and I retaliated, just like you - and got flamed again and
> again. However, he has been helpful to me, has some great tips, some great
> recipes, and does a lot of research. I don't want to killfile him - I
> enjoy him and just overlook the blue posts. He's just as entitled to use
> this newsgroup as I am, you are, or anyone else. Ride with it - either
> ignore him or killfile him if you can't take the heat. There's no point in
> continuing to gripe.


Yes there is, It just gives sheldon more ammunition and more of a reason to post
his flames.

> Peace.


That, too!
>
> Dora


BOB Gore



Bob Myers 10-12-2003 05:26 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 

"Z GIRL" > wrote in message
...
> I think everyone here takes Sheldon wayyyyyyyyy to seriously. If you read
> his post where he flames and don't take him seriously he is hilarious.
> Lighten up Wayne.


Maybe once - but he rapidly becomes tiresome. Sheldon's the classic
one-trick pony, and he doesn't even do that one trick in a particularly
novel or interesting way. I killfiled him months ago, and the group has
been far more enjoyable since then.

Bob M.




PENMART01 10-12-2003 05:52 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
Katra > writes:

>NARc wrote:
>>
>>Duh'Wayne BoatNut blurted:
>>
>> > Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
>> > single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can put
>> > someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
>> > inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go on
>> > in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu
> > >Christe, I'm SICK!


>>
>> You can file a complaint at ABUSE with his internet service provider. They

>can
>> jerk his connection if complaints are substantial and justified.
>>
>> N

>
>Which they are not. :-)
>
>I've been on others lists, who's list flamer/trolls were FAR worse, and
>they got multiple complaints to their server....... and they are still
>around.
>
>Most ISP masters know better than to take usenet seriously.
>Maybe we can learn from that?????
>
>It's an anarchy. Deal with it.
>
>'sides, I also find Shel' to be amusing. :-)
>
>K.


Thanks, Katra... you're a good sport.

I mean if folks would rather avoid intercourse with me, not you, Katra ;), all
they need do is not engage my posts... a fact even a simpleton like Duh'Wayne
should be able to comprehend... but the matter goes deeper... Duh'Wayne is
mentally ill... and of that no one should have any doubt whatsoever, and he's
not the only sicko here.

Ergo:

It's not so much people filtering out MY posts as it is their desire to prevent
me from responding to THEIR posts. hehe For Duh'Wayne and others of his ilk
(idiots, morons, imbeciles) that's what proves embarrassing, that I can reply
to their idiocy, when I draw attention to how foolish they are, for the entire
world to see. Just because the butcher who birthed Duh'Wayne squeezed those
tongs tons too hard on that pointy pinhead of his is no cause for him to
inflict his anger and frustration out on us normal, well-adjusted folks.
You're sick, Duh'Wayne, sick and stupid!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .


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Katra 10-12-2003 06:34 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 


"Jack Schidt®" wrote:
>
> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
> m...
> >
> > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
> > > single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can

> put
> > > someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
> > > inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go

> on
> > > in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu

> Christe,
> > > I'm sick to death of it.

> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Then don't read his posts or is that too complex?
> >
> > Dimitri
> >
> >

>
> There are way too many control freaks around. What do these guys do when
> they're at a basketball game or in a barroom or train station and they hear
> somebody say things they don't like? Call the cops? Have them ejected?
> Sheesh, the skin around here can be as thin as those spring roll wrappers.
>
> Jack Epidermadrama



The holiday season is stressful... :-)

K.

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Rodney Myrvaagnes 10-12-2003 06:37 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:23:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
>single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can put
>someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
>inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go on
>in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu Christe,
>I'm sick to death of it. No one can have a normal "conversation" here
>without his insulting and demeaning, or crude and lewd remarks. I guess he
>has never recognized the fact that this isn't a porno site or one where
>people seek abuse.
>
>The occasional recipes or constructive comments that HE occasionally posts
>is not entitlement to run roughshod over a group of very enlightened and
>interesting people the majority of the time.
>
>I know there's no solution. His followers won't let him go, and he
>wouldn't go even if they did. I'm afraid he'll be a blot on the landscape
>of rfc until the day he dies.
>
>Flame away...I know you will.
>

No flame, but you are free to plonk anyone. I did so after a week in
spite of his sometimes valuable content. I assume that when he posts
something helpful it will get repeated in a reply, but I don't know
what I might have missed.




Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


The sound of a Great Blue Heron's wingbeats going by your head

Jimmy Tango 10-12-2003 06:38 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 

"Jack Schidt®" > wrote in message
...
>
> "SportKite1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >From: Wayne Boatwright

> >
> > >Yes, I know. I have never "plonked" anyone; I've never needed to. I
> > >think it may be about time.
> > >

> >
> > AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!
> > You used the dreaded plonk! Far and away more annoying than prolly.
> >
> > Never could understand why folks felt it necessary to "announce" when

they
> use
> > a filter and THEN actually went so far to name the action, plonk.
> >
> > Ellen
> >
> >


Because it gives them that feeling of importance and superiority (if only in
their own minds).

>
> Even funnier is seeing folks still quote those who they've pl...uhh,
> filtered. And to add the maraschino to the sundae, start entire threads
> about it.
>
> Jack Plunk
>
>


Heh!



Jimmy Tango 10-12-2003 06:39 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 

"j.j." > wrote in message
...
> Hark! I heard (SportKite1) say:
> > >From: Wayne Boatwright

> >
> > >Yes, I know. I have never "plonked" anyone; I've never needed to. I
> > >think it may be about time.

>
> *Cough* No comment.
>
> > AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!
> > You used the dreaded plonk! Far and away more annoying than prolly.
> >
> > Never could understand why folks felt it necessary to "announce" when

they use
> > a filter and THEN actually went so far to name the action, plonk.

>
> At one time, *public* killfiling was a prime defensive move in the
> Flame Group Games -- now it's just petty and childish, regardless of
> what group one does it in. I know, I'm guilty of it myself at times,
> but lately I killfile threads more than authors...


I have a question about kill-filing threads: how does one do this using
Outlook Express 6? Thanks for any information anyone can give.



Jimmy Tango 10-12-2003 06:40 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 

"Z GIRL" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
> > single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can

put
> > someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
> > inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go

on
> > in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu

Christe,
> > I'm sick to death of it. No one can have a normal "conversation" here
> > without his insulting and demeaning, or crude and lewd remarks. I guess

> he
> > has never recognized the fact that this isn't a porno site or one where
> > people seek abuse.
> >
> > The occasional recipes or constructive comments that HE occasionally

posts
> > is not entitlement to run roughshod over a group of very enlightened and
> > interesting people the majority of the time.
> >
> > I know there's no solution. His followers won't let him go, and he
> > wouldn't go even if they did. I'm afraid he'll be a blot on the

landscape
> > of rfc until the day he dies.
> >
> > Flame away...I know you will.
> >
> > Wayne

>
> I think everyone here takes Sheldon wayyyyyyyyy to seriously. If you read
> his post where he flames and don't take him seriously he is hilarious.
> Lighten up Wayne.
>
> peace,
> Barbara
>
>


Well I do agree that people (myself included) here take Sheldon too
seriously. But I would never go so far as to call his drivel "hilarious".
Most of the time it's just stupid.



Jimmy Tango 10-12-2003 06:41 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 

"NARc" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:23:19 +0000, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> > Ever notice how it's always all about HIM? How HE has to fit into every
> > single thread he enters; how HE has to be the expert; how well HE can

put
> > someone down for little or no reason; how HIS dirty, filthy mind has to
> > inject smut into most of the comments he makes? The "how HE" could go

on
> > in finitum, but to really enumerate would serve no purpose. Jesu

Christe,
> > I'm sick to death of it. No one can have a normal "conversation" here

>
> > Flame away...I know you will.
> >
> > Wayne

>
> You can file a complaint at ABUSE with his internet service provider.

They can
> jerk his connection if complaints are substantial and justified.
>


Bah, that approach rarely goes anywhere.



The Ranger 10-12-2003 06:57 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
Jimmy Tango > asked in message
ink.net...
> how does one do this [filtering threads] using OE6?


Tools|Message Rules|News|New
Check the boxes you want to filter by (author, topic, etc.);
Click on the highlighted text in the action box below and
type in/copy-n-paste those items that you wish to filter;
Click on the 'server you wish to filter;
Click on Apply Now button;
Click on 'Group or 'Server that you wish to filter, click "OK".

Follow remaining steps to exit out.

The Ranger



AzuReBlue 10-12-2003 07:33 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
In article >,
says...
<snip-ola'>
>
> The occasional recipes or constructive comments that HE occasionally posts
> is not entitlement to run roughshod over a group of very enlightened and
> interesting people the majority of the time.
>
> Wayne
>


FWIW, I just subscribed to this group in August and I find a good number
of his posts funny as hell...(though I'm sure to get flamed sometime as
I'm a cooking imbecile..;-)

--
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j.j. 10-12-2003 07:38 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
Hark! I heard "Jimmy Tango" > say:
> "NARc" > wrote in message
> ...


<snip>

> > You can file a complaint at ABUSE with his internet service provider.
> > They can jerk his connection if complaints are substantial and justified.


> Bah, that approach rarely goes anywhere.


And even when it does, what's to stop the complaintee from just
getting a new ISP? There are 100s of them available...


--
j.j. ~ mom, gamer, novice cook ~
...fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum!

ConnieG999 10-12-2003 07:58 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
Wayne Boatwright > writes:

> His followers won't let him go, and he
>wouldn't go even if they did.


Well, I've never seen a post begging him to stay, if that's what you mean.
And surely you realize that there's no way to "make" anybody go or stay since
Usenet is public access.

So basically, you just posted a rant about someone who is in so many killfiles
that it won't even be read much. And you gave him his own topic. Isn't that
just the sort of thing you were just ranting *against*?

You gotta learn to hit the delete key if you don't want to read Sheldon's
posts.Or, as was suggested, killfile.

Connie
************************************************** ***
My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.


PENMART01 10-12-2003 08:24 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
Calves foot jelly, anyone? On-the-hoof route to aspic

By Zillah BaharI want to thank my readers who went to the trouble of educating
me about calves foot jelly over the last month.Some of you really got into a
big hoof over the matter at hand. Martin Ross' query touched off a wave of
nostalgia.I'd like to share one of the most interesting and informative pieces
of correspondence I received regarding calves foot jelly. This one is from
Shirley Ginzburg, who describes herself as a "faithful reader," my favorite
kind. Ginzburg writes, in part:"I wanted to put in `my two cents' on the
subject of p'cha (or as your correspondent Martin Ross spelled it, pitzeh)."If
you verbalize his phonetics, you will hear it as I spelled it above, or as
`petchah', which is how you will find it in Jewish cookbooks published in
America during the 1920s through '40s."He recalls chicken legs (more precisely
the feet) were used to create the calcium-rich broth which when chilled,
gelatinized like an aspic. The eggs were most likely boiled then floated in the
aspic (same as we use unflavored gelatin today). When the cold dish was
unmolded and sliced, the garlicky aspic with cooked egg and bits of boiled meat
made a lovely appetizer."The recipes I have seen call for calves feet to create
the aspic."Today we have difficulty getting the soft young veal bones which
when boiled down, give a sturdy aspic. Oh well. Use chicken feet. Or commercial
gelatin packets."Truth to tell, my Russian-born grandmother made this dish once
in awhile, and I know my mom did rarely. We kids didn't care for it much, and
the dish was something of a nuisance to make."To our forbears, it was a fine
source of calcium/protein with a meat-garlic flavor. A cheap way to feel one
had `meat at the meal' when other cuts were too costly."I've included a recipe
for this traditional Jewish dish from "The New Complete International Jewish
Cookbook" by Evelyn Rose. She notes that each community of European Jews has a
different name for calves foot jelly: Fusnogge (Yiddish), Ptchia (Russian),
Sulze (German)."It is a perfect example," writes Rose, "of the ability of the
Jewish cook to make a specialty dish from humble ingredients.

"CALVES FOOT JELLY"
Serves 6-8

2 calves feet, with cold water to cover them
1 large onion, peeled
1 fat clove garlic, peeled
3 bay leaves
1 level tsp. black peppercorns
2 level tsp. salt
2 Tbs. lemon juice (or cider vinegar, if preferred)
3 hard-boiled eggs, sliced
Garnish:lemon quarters
tomato
watercress

It's easiest to use an oval, heat-proof casserole in which the cleaned feet can
be laid without having to saw them up. Put in the feet, cover with cold water
and bring to a boil on top of the stove. Simmer for 10 minutes, then, using a
wet spoon, skim off the froth. Add the onion, garlic, bay leaves, peppercorns
and salt. Cover and simmer gently for a further hour, either on top of the
stove or in the oven. Skim once more, partially cover, and continue to simmer
for a further 2-1/2 to 3 hours, or until the gristle and meat come away from
the bone.Lift out the bones and any meat attached to them and set aside. Strain
the liquid into a bowl, then return to the washed pan, together with the lemon
juice and the meat, cut into 3/8-inch cubes. Bring once more to the boil, them
remove from heat.To set the jelly:Rose uses a French paté dish, 9 by 5 by 3
inches, but a loaf tin of similar size is just as good, particularly if you
wish to turn it out for slicing. Pour half the liquid into the dish, and leave
in the refrigerator until it begins to set. Arrange a layer of the sliced
hard-boiled egg on top, and spoon over the remaining mixture, including the
meat. Chill overnight in the refrigerator until firm. Slices can be cut from
the dish, or the jelly can be turned out on a platter and decorated with water
cress, tomatoes and lemon wedges.


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PENMART01 10-12-2003 08:24 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 

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,/¯ /
/ /
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/'/ / / /¨¨/¯\
('( ´ ´ ¯&;/' ')
\ ' /
'\' \ _.·´
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Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .



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````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."


PENMART01 10-12-2003 08:24 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
Good for your heart...

BARBECUED BAKED BEANS

1 pound small white beans
1/2 cup onions, finely chopped
1/2 cup celery with leaves, finely chopped
1/4 cup green bell pepper, chopped
1 tablespoon garlic, minced
3 tablespoons olive oil
1 16-ounce can tomato sauce or 6 large fresh tomatoes
chopped and stewed for 1 hour
1/4 cup dark brown sugar
1/4 cup thick molasses
1 tablespoon dry mustard
3 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce
1/2 teaspoon ground cloves
chicken, veal, or pork stock (optional)
2 bay leaves
1 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon cracked black pepper
1 teaspoon fresh thyme
1 cup country cured slab bacon, diced

Wash beans, place in large pot and cover with cool water, boil for 5
minutes, and remove from heat; let sit for 1 hour with tight lid. In cast-iron
skillet, sauté onions, celery, bell pepper, and garlic in olive oil on a high
flame for 4 minutes or until onion is translucent. Add tomato sauce, sugar,
molasses, mustard, Worcestershire sauce, and cloves, and simmer for 30
minutes. Pour off water from beans and replace with 3 1/2 cups (approximately)
fresh cool water or meat stock. Add bay leaves, salt, pepper, and thyme. Let
simmer, covered, until beans are tender. Sauté bacon cubes; drain. Drain liquid

from beans and reserve. Combine beans and tomato sauce in Dutch oven or bean
pot. Top with bacon and bake in 300-degree oven for 3 to 5 hours. Stir beans
now and then, adding reserved liquid when needed.

---


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````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."


PENMART01 10-12-2003 08:24 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
Nifty Gifty

€¢ Traditional Cinder Toffee €¢

You will need:-
A heavy based pan
Golden Treacle
1kg of granulated sugar
1½ pints of water
Bicarbonate of soda
3 medium sized baking tins
A wooden spoon
A sugar thermometer

Add the sugar and water to the pan, bring to the boil, gently stirring.
Meanwhile take your three baking tins and lightly sprinkle the bases with
bicarbonate of soda. Next add four tablespoons of golden treacle to the pan and
heat to around 150°C. Finally pour equal amounts of the syrup into each tin
and stir lightly for a few seconds. Leave the baking tins in a cool place over
night. Next morning you should have a well risen honeycombed Cinder toffee.

---


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````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."


PENMART01 10-12-2003 08:24 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
tHE rEAL dEAL

TARTOFFU

Tartoffu is a dome-shaped Italian ice cream confection, generally served as a
dessert but can be eaten alone as a snack, usually served with demi-tasse.
Tartoffu can be prepared in various sized portions; for single serving, for
six, eight, as many as you'd like.

Here we go...

Choose an appropriate sized [round-bottomed] glass bowl, one large or several
small bowls. Line bowls with plastic wrap leaving extra lapping over the rim.
Place lined bowl(s) in fridge.

Next melt bittersweet chocolate, how much depending upon bowl size(s) - you can
never have too much chocolate - actually how much will become apparent shortly.

Coat inside of cold lined bowl(s) with melted chocolate. A fairly thick coat
is required, approximately 1/8" thick - you may need to apply 2-3 coats
chilling bowl(s) in freezer between coats.

Chocolate bowl(s) will be filled with ice cream, so begin preparing ice cream
filling ahead.

Here is the traditional ice cream recipe; prepare a quantity which will
suffice. Again, the method whereby this recipe is used for Tartoffu will
become apparent

Spumoni©

I think it would be very hard to find a spumoni mold nowadays, so instead, use
a large 3/4-quart jello mold.

First Mixtu

2 cups milk
3/4 cups sugar
5 egg yolks
1/2 tsp vanilla (or you can use any flavoring you wish)

Combine milk, sugar, egg yolks, and vanilla in a saucepan and cook over very
low heat, stirring constantly until mixture is thick. Cool, then place in a
metal bowl and freeze until mixture is medium hard, about two hours. Mixture
should be soft enough to be spooned out easily.

Second Mixtu

1 cup heavy cream beaten stiff
1/4 cup sugar
9 maraschino cherries, cut into small pieces
1 tbsp. candied orange peel cut fine
2 tbsp blanched slivered almonds

Gently mix all of the ingredients together, and chill in refrigerator. Chill
your mold well. When first mixture is ready, line the inside of the mold with
it, leaving a hole big enough for the second mixture in the center. Fill hole
with second mixture, and cover with wax paper, or plastic wrap and freeze for
two hours. Dip in warm water quickly to unmold. Cut into portions of 6 to 8
------

Now fill your chocolate lined bowl(s) with ice cream, leaving 1/4" space at
top. Place filled bowl(s) into freezer to set up, about 1 hour. Meanwhile
re-heat or melt more chocolate. Then fill the 1/4" space with a thick coating
of chocolate - this will become the Tartoffu bottom. Cover Tartoffu(s) with
plastic wrap and place back into freezer until ready to serve.

To serve remove from freezer and peel back plastic wrap. Invert Tartoffu(s)
onto appropriate serving plate(s) and unmold gently and peel off remaining
plastic wrap.
Place one half a glacè cherry on top of each Tartoffu - Mangia!

---


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````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."


PENMART01 10-12-2003 08:24 PM

Penmart01, Sheldon, Whatever...
 
HAPPY HOLIDAYS

Soft Torrone
(Italian Christmas Nougat)

1 cup honey
2 egg whites
1 cup sugar
2 tablespoons water
1 pound almonds,
shelled and blanched
1/2 pound hazelnuts,
shelled and lightly toasted
1 teaspoon candied orange peel, minced
1/2 teaspoon grated lemon rind


Place the honey in top of double boiler over boiling water for 1 to 1-1/2
hours, until honey is caramelized. Stir the honey frequently. Beat egg whites
until stiff. Slowly add to honey, mixing well. The mixture will be foamy white.
Combine sugar with 2 tablespoons of water in small saucepan and let boil,
without stirring, until caramelized. Add caramelized sugar to honey mixture a
little at a time, mixing well. Cook mixture a little longer until it reaches
the hard ball stage. (A small drop turns hard when placed in a cup of cold
water.) Add nuts, candied orange peel and grated lemon rind. Mix well and
quickly before it hardens.

Immediately pour mixture two inches deep into two or three (depending on size)
loaf pans lined with parchment paper. Let cool 20 minutes. Remove from pans and
cut each slab into rectangular bars. You may make one cut lengthwise down the
center forming two torrone rectangles or slice crosswise to make five or six
smaller torrone bars. Wrap each bar in aluminum foil or waxed paper and store
at room temperature in an airtight container. It keeps for a long time if
wrapped well.

To serve, cut the torrone bar into 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch thin slices. Serve with
coffee or tea following a holiday meal.

Note:
Traditional torrone is sandwiched between two pieces of ostia or thin sheets of
unleavened wheat bread. Ostia is often called "wafer." I've omitted this
ingredient in the recipe, as it's hard-to-find. The torrone I made was fine
without it. But, if you can find "wafer" or ostia at an Italian market, you may
want to use it. In that case, you would place a sheet of wafer on the bottom of
each loaf pan before pouring torrone mixture. Then top the torrone with another
sheet of wafer.

Recipe adapted from The Talisman Italian Cook Book by Ada Boni. Crown, 1950.


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````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."



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