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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:32:06 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am >replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or >wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but >I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about >flooring in the kitchen. Thanks! I love hardwood flooring, real hardwood, not that fake Pergo laminate crap. Except for my main bathroom every floor in my house is hardwood. All the bedrooms, living room, hallways, even inside all closets were white oak when I moved in. My kitchen, dining area, and laundry room floors were covered with awful green vinyl tiles... had Brazilian cherry installed over all that, I love it... looks terrific and is super easy to care for. You never wash hardwood floors, and with the new finishes there is no reason to ever wax a hardwood floor... once a week a quick vacuuming and an easy peasy once over with the Bonakemi hardwood floor care system: http://www.mybonahome.com/Home.aspx I had hard tiles installed in my last kitchen, never realized how much I'd grow to hate it; was cold, noisy, hard on the feet, was difficult to keep the grout clean, and tile scratches easily. Make certain to have a professional hardwood flooring installer do the job... there are too many "handimen" out there who haven't the knowlege or proper equipment... definitely not a DIY project: http://www.woodfloors.org/consumer/ Real hardwood flooring is forever so it costs less than all other types of flooring... it can be refinished, and given a whole new look with various treatments; stains, pickling, and bleaching. Hardwood flooring costs less to install, does away with the need to install a new sub floor, it covers all blemishes that would be enhanced with vinyl... being a full 3/4" thick it goes directly over old vinyl and less than perfect sub flooring. No other flooring looks as rich and generates the warmth af real hardwood flooring (figuratively and literally - an excellent insulator/sound proofing). There are many types and grades of hardwood and various ways it's sawn so it behooves one to educate themself before running out to buy. Hallway: http://i35.tinypic.com/14vs768.jpg Livingroom: http://i38.tinypic.com/2z5vdl4.jpg Goodbye ugli vinyl: http://i37.tinypic.com/25zgua8.jpg Be sure to remove all moldings, cut into door jambs, and floor inside all closets: http://i34.tinypic.com/16lyd0w.jpg Everyone loves my new kitchen floor: http://i33.tinypic.com/28upbg8.jpg http://i38.tinypic.com/20a29h3.jpg Any questions feel free. |
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brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:32:06 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: > >> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am >> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or >> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but >> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about >> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks! > > I love hardwood flooring, real hardwood, not that fake Pergo laminate > crap. Except for my main bathroom every floor in my house is > hardwood. All the bedrooms, living room, hallways, even inside all > closets were white oak when I moved in. My kitchen, dining area, and > laundry room floors were covered with awful green vinyl tiles... had > Brazilian cherry installed over all that, I love it... looks terrific > and is super easy to care for. You never wash hardwood floors, and > with the new finishes there is no reason to ever wax a hardwood > floor... once a week a quick vacuuming and an easy peasy once over > with the Bonakemi hardwood floor care system: > http://www.mybonahome.com/Home.aspx > > I had hard tiles installed in my last kitchen, never realized how much > I'd grow to hate it; was cold, noisy, hard on the feet, was difficult > to keep the grout clean, and tile scratches easily. > > Make certain to have a professional hardwood flooring installer do the > job... there are too many "handimen" out there who haven't the > knowlege or proper equipment... definitely not a DIY project: > http://www.woodfloors.org/consumer/ > > Real hardwood flooring is forever so it costs less than all other > types of flooring... it can be refinished, and given a whole new look > with various treatments; stains, pickling, and bleaching. Hardwood > flooring costs less to install, does away with the need to install a > new sub floor, it covers all blemishes that would be enhanced with > vinyl... being a full 3/4" thick it goes directly over old vinyl and > less than perfect sub flooring. > > No other flooring looks as rich and generates the warmth af real > hardwood flooring (figuratively and literally - an excellent > insulator/sound proofing). There are many types and grades of > hardwood and various ways it's sawn so it behooves one to educate > themself before running out to buy. > > Hallway: > http://i35.tinypic.com/14vs768.jpg > > Livingroom: > http://i38.tinypic.com/2z5vdl4.jpg > > Goodbye ugli vinyl: > http://i37.tinypic.com/25zgua8.jpg > > Be sure to remove all moldings, cut into door jambs, and floor inside > all closets: > http://i34.tinypic.com/16lyd0w.jpg > > Everyone loves my new kitchen floor: > http://i33.tinypic.com/28upbg8.jpg > http://i38.tinypic.com/20a29h3.jpg > > Any questions feel free. > Thanks for those links, which I will examine more carefully tomorrow. I will be putting in hardwood for most of the flooring and am just unsure about the kitchen and bathrooms. Your kitchen floor does look splendid though, so maybe! My agent suggested engineered hardwood--actually they sound like the prefinished floors on the NWFA site. I need to look into that. I am about out of time for the night but will continue perusing suggestions--and looking more carefully at the links, which I thank you for, Sheldon. Thanks, too, for the tips! -- Jean B. |
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![]() "Jean B." wrote: > > brooklyn1 wrote: > > On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:32:06 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: > > > >> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am > >> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or > >> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but > >> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about > >> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks! > > > > I love hardwood flooring, real hardwood, not that fake Pergo laminate > > crap. Except for my main bathroom every floor in my house is > > hardwood. All the bedrooms, living room, hallways, even inside all > > closets were white oak when I moved in. My kitchen, dining area, and > > laundry room floors were covered with awful green vinyl tiles... had > > Brazilian cherry installed over all that, I love it... looks terrific > > and is super easy to care for. You never wash hardwood floors, and > > with the new finishes there is no reason to ever wax a hardwood > > floor... once a week a quick vacuuming and an easy peasy once over > > with the Bonakemi hardwood floor care system: > > http://www.mybonahome.com/Home.aspx > > > > I had hard tiles installed in my last kitchen, never realized how much > > I'd grow to hate it; was cold, noisy, hard on the feet, was difficult > > to keep the grout clean, and tile scratches easily. > > > > Make certain to have a professional hardwood flooring installer do the > > job... there are too many "handimen" out there who haven't the > > knowlege or proper equipment... definitely not a DIY project: > > http://www.woodfloors.org/consumer/ > > > > Real hardwood flooring is forever so it costs less than all other > > types of flooring... it can be refinished, and given a whole new look > > with various treatments; stains, pickling, and bleaching. Hardwood > > flooring costs less to install, does away with the need to install a > > new sub floor, it covers all blemishes that would be enhanced with > > vinyl... being a full 3/4" thick it goes directly over old vinyl and > > less than perfect sub flooring. > > > > No other flooring looks as rich and generates the warmth af real > > hardwood flooring (figuratively and literally - an excellent > > insulator/sound proofing). There are many types and grades of > > hardwood and various ways it's sawn so it behooves one to educate > > themself before running out to buy. > > > > Hallway: > > http://i35.tinypic.com/14vs768.jpg > > > > Livingroom: > > http://i38.tinypic.com/2z5vdl4.jpg > > > > Goodbye ugli vinyl: > > http://i37.tinypic.com/25zgua8.jpg > > > > Be sure to remove all moldings, cut into door jambs, and floor inside > > all closets: > > http://i34.tinypic.com/16lyd0w.jpg > > > > Everyone loves my new kitchen floor: > > http://i33.tinypic.com/28upbg8.jpg > > http://i38.tinypic.com/20a29h3.jpg > > > > Any questions feel free. > > > Thanks for those links, which I will examine more carefully > tomorrow. I will be putting in hardwood for most of the flooring > and am just unsure about the kitchen and bathrooms. Your kitchen > floor does look splendid though, so maybe! > > My agent suggested engineered hardwood--actually they sound like > the prefinished floors on the NWFA site. I need to look into that. > > I am about out of time for the night but will continue perusing > suggestions--and looking more carefully at the links, which I > thank you for, Sheldon. Thanks, too, for the tips! > > -- > Jean B. Be sure to investigate and understand the differences between engineered hardwood flooring, and factory finished full dimensional 3/4" hardwood flooring. Both are factory finished and install quickly, and both look similar from the surface, however they are very different products. |
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Pete C. wrote:
> "Jean B." wrote: >> brooklyn1 wrote: >>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:32:06 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: >>> >>>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am >>>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or >>>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but >>>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about >>>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks! >>> I love hardwood flooring, real hardwood, not that fake Pergo laminate >>> crap. Except for my main bathroom every floor in my house is >>> hardwood. All the bedrooms, living room, hallways, even inside all >>> closets were white oak when I moved in. My kitchen, dining area, and >>> laundry room floors were covered with awful green vinyl tiles... had >>> Brazilian cherry installed over all that, I love it... looks terrific >>> and is super easy to care for. You never wash hardwood floors, and >>> with the new finishes there is no reason to ever wax a hardwood >>> floor... once a week a quick vacuuming and an easy peasy once over >>> with the Bonakemi hardwood floor care system: >>> http://www.mybonahome.com/Home.aspx >>> >>> I had hard tiles installed in my last kitchen, never realized how much >>> I'd grow to hate it; was cold, noisy, hard on the feet, was difficult >>> to keep the grout clean, and tile scratches easily. >>> >>> Make certain to have a professional hardwood flooring installer do the >>> job... there are too many "handimen" out there who haven't the >>> knowlege or proper equipment... definitely not a DIY project: >>> http://www.woodfloors.org/consumer/ >>> >>> Real hardwood flooring is forever so it costs less than all other >>> types of flooring... it can be refinished, and given a whole new look >>> with various treatments; stains, pickling, and bleaching. Hardwood >>> flooring costs less to install, does away with the need to install a >>> new sub floor, it covers all blemishes that would be enhanced with >>> vinyl... being a full 3/4" thick it goes directly over old vinyl and >>> less than perfect sub flooring. >>> >>> No other flooring looks as rich and generates the warmth af real >>> hardwood flooring (figuratively and literally - an excellent >>> insulator/sound proofing). There are many types and grades of >>> hardwood and various ways it's sawn so it behooves one to educate >>> themself before running out to buy. >>> >>> Hallway: >>> http://i35.tinypic.com/14vs768.jpg >>> >>> Livingroom: >>> http://i38.tinypic.com/2z5vdl4.jpg >>> >>> Goodbye ugli vinyl: >>> http://i37.tinypic.com/25zgua8.jpg >>> >>> Be sure to remove all moldings, cut into door jambs, and floor inside >>> all closets: >>> http://i34.tinypic.com/16lyd0w.jpg >>> >>> Everyone loves my new kitchen floor: >>> http://i33.tinypic.com/28upbg8.jpg >>> http://i38.tinypic.com/20a29h3.jpg >>> >>> Any questions feel free. >>> >> Thanks for those links, which I will examine more carefully >> tomorrow. I will be putting in hardwood for most of the flooring >> and am just unsure about the kitchen and bathrooms. Your kitchen >> floor does look splendid though, so maybe! >> >> My agent suggested engineered hardwood--actually they sound like >> the prefinished floors on the NWFA site. I need to look into that. >> >> I am about out of time for the night but will continue perusing >> suggestions--and looking more carefully at the links, which I >> thank you for, Sheldon. Thanks, too, for the tips! >> >> -- >> Jean B. > > Be sure to investigate and understand the differences between engineered > hardwood flooring, and factory finished full dimensional 3/4" hardwood > flooring. Both are factory finished and install quickly, and both look > similar from the surface, however they are very different products. Yes, thanks to you, I now have a clearer picture. I wonder whether my broker misspoke? Since he is also a building contractor, I would have thought not. I want solid hardwood flooring, not layered flooring. -- Jean B. |
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:09:46 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>Pete C. wrote: >> "Jean B." wrote: >>> brooklyn1 wrote: >>>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:32:06 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am >>>>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or >>>>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but >>>>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about >>>>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks! >>>> I love hardwood flooring, real hardwood, not that fake Pergo laminate >>>> crap. Except for my main bathroom every floor in my house is >>>> hardwood. All the bedrooms, living room, hallways, even inside all >>>> closets were white oak when I moved in. My kitchen, dining area, and >>>> laundry room floors were covered with awful green vinyl tiles... had >>>> Brazilian cherry installed over all that, I love it... looks terrific >>>> and is super easy to care for. You never wash hardwood floors, and >>>> with the new finishes there is no reason to ever wax a hardwood >>>> floor... once a week a quick vacuuming and an easy peasy once over >>>> with the Bonakemi hardwood floor care system: >>>> http://www.mybonahome.com/Home.aspx >>>> >>>> I had hard tiles installed in my last kitchen, never realized how much >>>> I'd grow to hate it; was cold, noisy, hard on the feet, was difficult >>>> to keep the grout clean, and tile scratches easily. >>>> >>>> Make certain to have a professional hardwood flooring installer do the >>>> job... there are too many "handimen" out there who haven't the >>>> knowlege or proper equipment... definitely not a DIY project: >>>> http://www.woodfloors.org/consumer/ >>>> >>>> Real hardwood flooring is forever so it costs less than all other >>>> types of flooring... it can be refinished, and given a whole new look >>>> with various treatments; stains, pickling, and bleaching. Hardwood >>>> flooring costs less to install, does away with the need to install a >>>> new sub floor, it covers all blemishes that would be enhanced with >>>> vinyl... being a full 3/4" thick it goes directly over old vinyl and >>>> less than perfect sub flooring. >>>> >>>> No other flooring looks as rich and generates the warmth af real >>>> hardwood flooring (figuratively and literally - an excellent >>>> insulator/sound proofing). There are many types and grades of >>>> hardwood and various ways it's sawn so it behooves one to educate >>>> themself before running out to buy. >>>> >>>> Hallway: >>>> http://i35.tinypic.com/14vs768.jpg >>>> >>>> Livingroom: >>>> http://i38.tinypic.com/2z5vdl4.jpg >>>> >>>> Goodbye ugli vinyl: >>>> http://i37.tinypic.com/25zgua8.jpg >>>> >>>> Be sure to remove all moldings, cut into door jambs, and floor inside >>>> all closets: >>>> http://i34.tinypic.com/16lyd0w.jpg >>>> >>>> Everyone loves my new kitchen floor: >>>> http://i33.tinypic.com/28upbg8.jpg >>>> http://i38.tinypic.com/20a29h3.jpg >>>> >>>> Any questions feel free. >>>> >>> Thanks for those links, which I will examine more carefully >>> tomorrow. I will be putting in hardwood for most of the flooring >>> and am just unsure about the kitchen and bathrooms. Your kitchen >>> floor does look splendid though, so maybe! >>> >>> My agent suggested engineered hardwood--actually they sound like >>> the prefinished floors on the NWFA site. I need to look into that. >>> >>> I am about out of time for the night but will continue perusing >>> suggestions--and looking more carefully at the links, which I >>> thank you for, Sheldon. Thanks, too, for the tips! >>> >>> -- >>> Jean B. >> >> Be sure to investigate and understand the differences between engineered >> hardwood flooring, and factory finished full dimensional 3/4" hardwood >> flooring. Both are factory finished and install quickly, and both look >> similar from the surface, however they are very different products. > >Yes, thanks to you, I now have a clearer picture. I wonder >whether my broker misspoke? Since he is also a building >contractor, I would have thought not. I want solid hardwood >flooring, not layered flooring. There's no point in continuing to talk about something without a cite: http://homerenovations.about.com/od/...ngineerflr.htm What's termed "engineered hardwood flooring' is in fact plywood with a relatively thin hardwood veneer finish face... it's solid wood (like plywood is solid wood) but it's not solid hardwood. I wouldn't recommend EHF, it's difficult to install over subflooring without adding a second sub floor crosswise... it's prefinished, which presents another problem with uneven subflooring, the prefinish will need to be sanded off in order to produce an even floor and then refinished. And EHF can only be refinished a couple of times, the veneer laminate is too thin. No matter how you slice the cake nothing comes close to real T & G solid hardwood flooring, I'd not consider anything but the real deal... and only real hardwood flooring ends up looking like real hardwood flooring, everything else looks fake because it is fake. EHF and laminate actually depreciates the value of a home, it's a major and expensive overhaul to remove. I recommend either get real hardwood flooring or choose a completely different flooring material like vinyl/ceramic tiles, roll flooring, or carpeting. Choosing flooring is like choosing your furniture and any other items one lives with on a constant basis... if you're a slob, not into housekeeping, then fine wood flooring, fine wood furniture is not for you. Laminate flooring is for folks who are best served by furniture from IKEA... beat it to hell for less than five years, throw it away and buy new. |
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brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:09:46 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: > >> Pete C. wrote: >>> "Jean B." wrote: >>>> brooklyn1 wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:32:06 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am >>>>>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or >>>>>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but >>>>>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about >>>>>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks! >>>>> I love hardwood flooring, real hardwood, not that fake Pergo laminate >>>>> crap. Except for my main bathroom every floor in my house is >>>>> hardwood. All the bedrooms, living room, hallways, even inside all >>>>> closets were white oak when I moved in. My kitchen, dining area, and >>>>> laundry room floors were covered with awful green vinyl tiles... had >>>>> Brazilian cherry installed over all that, I love it... looks terrific >>>>> and is super easy to care for. You never wash hardwood floors, and >>>>> with the new finishes there is no reason to ever wax a hardwood >>>>> floor... once a week a quick vacuuming and an easy peasy once over >>>>> with the Bonakemi hardwood floor care system: >>>>> http://www.mybonahome.com/Home.aspx >>>>> >>>>> I had hard tiles installed in my last kitchen, never realized how much >>>>> I'd grow to hate it; was cold, noisy, hard on the feet, was difficult >>>>> to keep the grout clean, and tile scratches easily. >>>>> >>>>> Make certain to have a professional hardwood flooring installer do the >>>>> job... there are too many "handimen" out there who haven't the >>>>> knowlege or proper equipment... definitely not a DIY project: >>>>> http://www.woodfloors.org/consumer/ >>>>> >>>>> Real hardwood flooring is forever so it costs less than all other >>>>> types of flooring... it can be refinished, and given a whole new look >>>>> with various treatments; stains, pickling, and bleaching. Hardwood >>>>> flooring costs less to install, does away with the need to install a >>>>> new sub floor, it covers all blemishes that would be enhanced with >>>>> vinyl... being a full 3/4" thick it goes directly over old vinyl and >>>>> less than perfect sub flooring. >>>>> >>>>> No other flooring looks as rich and generates the warmth af real >>>>> hardwood flooring (figuratively and literally - an excellent >>>>> insulator/sound proofing). There are many types and grades of >>>>> hardwood and various ways it's sawn so it behooves one to educate >>>>> themself before running out to buy. >>>>> >>>>> Hallway: >>>>> http://i35.tinypic.com/14vs768.jpg >>>>> >>>>> Livingroom: >>>>> http://i38.tinypic.com/2z5vdl4.jpg >>>>> >>>>> Goodbye ugli vinyl: >>>>> http://i37.tinypic.com/25zgua8.jpg >>>>> >>>>> Be sure to remove all moldings, cut into door jambs, and floor inside >>>>> all closets: >>>>> http://i34.tinypic.com/16lyd0w.jpg >>>>> >>>>> Everyone loves my new kitchen floor: >>>>> http://i33.tinypic.com/28upbg8.jpg >>>>> http://i38.tinypic.com/20a29h3.jpg >>>>> >>>>> Any questions feel free. >>>>> >>>> Thanks for those links, which I will examine more carefully >>>> tomorrow. I will be putting in hardwood for most of the flooring >>>> and am just unsure about the kitchen and bathrooms. Your kitchen >>>> floor does look splendid though, so maybe! >>>> >>>> My agent suggested engineered hardwood--actually they sound like >>>> the prefinished floors on the NWFA site. I need to look into that. >>>> >>>> I am about out of time for the night but will continue perusing >>>> suggestions--and looking more carefully at the links, which I >>>> thank you for, Sheldon. Thanks, too, for the tips! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jean B. >>> Be sure to investigate and understand the differences between engineered >>> hardwood flooring, and factory finished full dimensional 3/4" hardwood >>> flooring. Both are factory finished and install quickly, and both look >>> similar from the surface, however they are very different products. >> Yes, thanks to you, I now have a clearer picture. I wonder >> whether my broker misspoke? Since he is also a building >> contractor, I would have thought not. I want solid hardwood >> flooring, not layered flooring. > > There's no point in continuing to talk about something without a cite: > http://homerenovations.about.com/od/...ngineerflr.htm > > What's termed "engineered hardwood flooring' is in fact plywood with a > relatively thin hardwood veneer finish face... it's solid wood (like > plywood is solid wood) but it's not solid hardwood. I wouldn't > recommend EHF, it's difficult to install over subflooring without > adding a second sub floor crosswise... it's prefinished, which > presents another problem with uneven subflooring, the prefinish will > need to be sanded off in order to produce an even floor and then > refinished. And EHF can only be refinished a couple of times, the > veneer laminate is too thin. No matter how you slice the cake nothing > comes close to real T & G solid hardwood flooring, I'd not consider > anything but the real deal... and only real hardwood flooring ends up > looking like real hardwood flooring, everything else looks fake > because it is fake. EHF and laminate actually depreciates the value > of a home, it's a major and expensive overhaul to remove. I recommend > either get real hardwood flooring or choose a completely different > flooring material like vinyl/ceramic tiles, roll flooring, or > carpeting. > > Choosing flooring is like choosing your furniture and any other items > one lives with on a constant basis... if you're a slob, not into > housekeeping, then fine wood flooring, fine wood furniture is not for > you. Laminate flooring is for folks who are best served by furniture > from IKEA... beat it to hell for less than five years, throw it away > and buy new. > > Thanks again, Sheldon, both for the good advice--and for the site. It looks like that site could be very useful, beyond the flooring issue too. -- Jean B. |
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brooklyn1 wrote:
> Everyone loves my new kitchen floor: > http://i33.tinypic.com/28upbg8.jpg > http://i38.tinypic.com/20a29h3.jpg > > Any questions feel free. Nice! Is that Jilly on the counter in the first pic...??? ^..^ -- Best Greg |
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:05:24 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote: >brooklyn1 wrote: > >> Everyone loves my new kitchen floor: >> http://i33.tinypic.com/28upbg8.jpg >> http://i38.tinypic.com/20a29h3.jpg >> >> Any questions feel free. > > >Nice! Is that Jilly on the counter in the first pic...??? > >^..^ That's Mooch. |
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