Where to take Obama for lunch?

President Obama comes to Philadelphia today and the Fox morning news talking
heads asked viewers to recommend a place for him to eat.

Lots of typical favorites but what made me laugh was the high occurance of
"Friendly's," a regional "howard johnsons" type low-class restaurant.

Why he wouldn't want a couple dozen $100 Philly cheesesteaks is beyond me!

Andy
--
I'm no longer a danger to society.

On Sep 15, 7:20*am, Andy > wrote:
> Where to take Obama for lunch?
>
> President Obama comes to Philadelphia today and the Fox morning news talking
> heads asked viewers to recommend a place for him to eat.
>
> Lots of typical favorites but what made me laugh was the high occurance of
> "Friendly's," a regional "howard johnsons" type low-class restaurant.
>
> Why he wouldn't want a couple dozen $100 Philly cheesesteaks is beyond me!

In St. Louis (Clayton), I'd take him to The Fatted Calf.

http://www.fattedcalfburgers.com/

>
> Andy

--Bryan

On Sep 15, 7:29*am, Bryan > wrote:
> On Sep 15, 7:20*am, Andy > wrote:
>
> > Where to take Obama for lunch?
>
> > President Obama comes to Philadelphia today and the Fox morning news talking
> > heads asked viewers to recommend a place for him to eat.
>
> > Lots of typical favorites but what made me laugh was the high occurance of
> > "Friendly's," a regional "howard johnsons" type low-class restaurant.
>
> > Why he wouldn't want a couple dozen $100 Philly cheesesteaks is beyond me!
>
> In St. Louis (Clayton), I'd take him to The Fatted Calf.
>
> http://www.fattedcalfburgers.com/
>
To qualify that, ONLY on a Saturday. M-F lunch there is packed with
jurors from the county courthouse, who would be very inconvenienced by
a presidential visit.
>
> > Andy
>
> --Bryan

--Bryan

Bryan said...

> In St. Louis (Clayton), I'd take him to The Fatted Calf.
>
> http://www.fattedcalfburgers.com/


What's that scoop of something on the burger patty? Butter or a yellow
sorbet?? Strange looking!

Andy

Andy said...

> What's that scoop of something on the burger patty? Butter or a yellow
> sorbet?? Strange looking!


I'll re-guess, some cold/spreadable cheese? That hardly makes sense, imho.

Andy

On Sep 15, 8:01*am, Andy > wrote:
> Andy said...
>
> > What's that scoop of something on the burger patty? Butter or a yellow
> > sorbet?? Strange looking!
>
> I'll re-guess, some cold/spreadable cheese? That hardly makes sense, imho..

Soft Cheddar. I always order mine plain, then put on OPM at the
fixins bar, and fries with ketchup.
>
> Andy

--Bryan

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:01:07 -0500, Andy wrote:

> Andy said...
>
>> What's that scoop of something on the burger patty? Butter or a yellow
>> sorbet?? Strange looking!
>
> I'll re-guess, some cold/spreadable cheese? That hardly makes sense, imho.
>
> Andy

you are a ****ing genius! and it only took you ten minutes to figure it
out!

you're right though - cheese on a burger is the most outlandish thing in,
like, evah.

blake

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:20:47 -0500, Andy > wrote:

>Where to take Obama for lunch?
>

Bet he'd enjoy a Philly Hoagie Ho:
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=7934

http://www.zazzle.com/pimp_obama_and...02812985531525

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:20:47 -0500, Andy > wrote:

>Where to take Obama for lunch?
>
>President Obama comes to Philadelphia today and the Fox morning news talking
>heads asked viewers to recommend a place for him to eat.
>
>Lots of typical favorites but what made me laugh was the high occurance of
>"Friendly's," a regional "howard johnsons" type low-class restaurant.
>
>Why he wouldn't want a couple dozen $100 Philly cheesesteaks is beyond me!
>
>Andy
Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.

Just my $.02

aloha,
Cea

pure kona wrote:
> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>
> Just my $.02
>
> aloha,
> Cea
>

My youngest son watches Fox, I have also watched it, but they tend to
give a one-sided view. Even a pancake has two sides, no matter how thin
it is. They are the only network that did not cover the president's
speech. Did they miss any of Bush's speeches in the 8 years he held
office? This makes me just a little skeptical of what I hear on Fox.


Becca

"pure kona" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:20:47 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>
>>Where to take Obama for lunch?
>>
> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>
> Just my $.02
>
> aloha,
> Cea


(laughing) In the last few years of my father's life he wouldn't watch
anything but Fox (he called it "Fox News") and the History Channel. Nothing
wrong with the History Channel but I take exception to calling Fox "news".
After he died it took me forever to convince my mother she was actually
allowed to change the channel and watch anything she wanted to.

Jill

"pure kona" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:20:47 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>
>>Where to take Obama for lunch?
>>
>>President Obama comes to Philadelphia today and the Fox morning news
>>talking
>>heads asked viewers to recommend a place for him to eat.
>>
>>Lots of typical favorites but what made me laugh was the high occurance of
>>"Friendly's," a regional "howard johnsons" type low-class restaurant.
>>
>>Why he wouldn't want a couple dozen $100 Philly cheesesteaks is beyond me!
>>
>>
>>Andy
> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.

Fox's Good Day (the Philly AM news show) is very good.

Becca wrote:
> pure kona wrote:
>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
>> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>>
>> Just my $.02
>>
>> aloha,
>> Cea
>>
>
> My youngest son watches Fox, I have also watched it, but they tend to
> give a one-sided view. Even a pancake has two sides, no matter how
> thin it is. They are the only network that did not cover the
> president's speech. Did they miss any of Bush's speeches in the 8
> years he held office? This makes me just a little skeptical of what
> I hear on Fox.

Which speech was that, Becca?

--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

jmcquown wrote:
> "pure kona" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:20:47 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>>
>>> Where to take Obama for lunch?
>>>
>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
>> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>>
>> Just my $.02
>>
>> aloha,
>> Cea
>
>
> (laughing) In the last few years of my father's life he wouldn't
> watch anything but Fox (he called it "Fox News") and the History
> Channel. Nothing wrong with the History Channel but I take exception
> to calling Fox "news". After he died it took me forever to convince
> my mother she was actually allowed to change the channel and watch
> anything she wanted to.

Fox runs a lot like CNN; there are some dedicated news programs, and there
are quite a few commentary shows.

--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

On Sep 15, 11:12*am, pure kona > wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:20:47 -0500, Andy > wrote:
> >Where to take Obama for lunch?
>
> >President Obama comes to Philadelphia today and the Fox morning news talking
> >heads asked viewers to recommend a place for him to eat.
>
> >Lots of typical favorites but what made me laugh was the high occurance of
> >"Friendly's," a regional "howard johnsons" type low-class restaurant.
>
> >Why he wouldn't want a couple dozen $100 Philly cheesesteaks is beyond me!
>
> >Andy
>
> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
> Nothing too exciting! *I can't bear to watch Fox.
>
> Just my $.02

There is Fox primetime TV and FoxNews. The two couldn't be more
different, especially in the first decades they existed. Fox carried
The Simpsons, Married With Children, MadTV, Ally McBeal, etc. All the
while Rupert Murdoch was using those profits to establish NewsCorp, a
nasty, Right-wing news network. Fox had the best shows throughout the
90s. If you haven't seen this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_(TV_series)
I double dog dare you.
We own the DVD set.
>
> aloha,
> Cea

--Bryan

Dave Bugg wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
>> "pure kona" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:20:47 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where to take Obama for lunch?
>>>>
>>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
>>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
>>> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>>>
>>> Just my $.02
>>>
>>> aloha,
>>> Cea
>>
>>
>> (laughing) In the last few years of my father's life he wouldn't
>> watch anything but Fox (he called it "Fox News") and the History
>> Channel. Nothing wrong with the History Channel but I take exception
>> to calling Fox "news". After he died it took me forever to convince
>> my mother she was actually allowed to change the channel and watch
>> anything she wanted to.
>
> Fox runs a lot like CNN; there are some dedicated news programs, and
> there are quite a few commentary shows.


Fox has some really good dedicated news programs, during last year's
election they eventually became my main source of teevee nooze (FWIW). I
mean, they regularly had on left - leaning people like Bernie Sanders,
Maxine Waters, various Dem operatives and honchoes, etc., so a pretty
entertaining ideological spread. CNN is just generally so white bread and
bland...

Of course Fox has lotsa silly shit like Glenn Beck or whoever, but that is
strictly entertainment, like Limbaugh, etc....

If you are more left - leaning there is always MSNBC, I regularly watch
Keith Olberman and Rachel Madow. They have their biases, too, just realize
that. They can get as silly with the right wing - bashing as their
counterparts on Fox do bashing the left...

And although not strictly "news", Bill Maher has on guests from all over the
ideological spectrum, it can get pretty lively, besides being though -
provoking...

And I sometimes listen to Ron Reagan, Jr. on Air America, he has developed
into a very good radio host and commentator...


--
Best
Greg

On Sep 15, 11:51*am, Becca > wrote:
> pure kona wrote:
> > Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
> > they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
> > Nothing too exciting! *I can't bear to watch Fox.
>
> > Just my $.02
>
> > aloha,
> > Cea
>
> My youngest son watches Fox, I have also watched it, but they tend to
> give a one-sided view. *Even a pancake has two sides, no matter how thin
> it is. *They are the only network that did not cover the president's
> speech. Did they miss any of Bush's speeches in the 8 years he held
> office? *This makes me just a little skeptical of what I hear on Fox.

Maybe your son is the sort who would have blindly herded Jews onto
trains headed for death camps, had he not a parent who cautioned him
against evil.
>
> Becca

--Bryan

pure kona wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:20:47 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>
>> Where to take Obama for lunch?
>>
>> President Obama comes to Philadelphia today and the Fox morning news talking
>> heads asked viewers to recommend a place for him to eat.
>>
>> Lots of typical favorites but what made me laugh was the high occurance of
>> "Friendly's," a regional "howard johnsons" type low-class restaurant.
>>
>> Why he wouldn't want a couple dozen $100 Philly cheesesteaks is beyond me!
>>
>> Andy
> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>
> Just my $.02
>
> aloha,
> Cea

Thats quite a wide brush you are using. I am guessing you fancy yourself
as some sort of uber intellectual who just knows they are exceedingly
smarter than people who don't agree with them.

Becca wrote:
> pure kona wrote:
>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
>> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>> Just my $.02
>>
>> aloha,
>> Cea
>>
>
> My youngest son watches Fox, I have also watched it, but they tend to
> give a one-sided view. Even a pancake has two sides, no matter how thin
> it is. They are the only network that did not cover the president's
> speech. Did they miss any of Bush's speeches in the 8 years he held
> office? This makes me just a little skeptical of what I hear on Fox.
>
>
> Becca
>
>
>
I am a firm believer that everyone has a right to speak and find the
current crop of liberals who seem to think everyone who disagrees with
them in any way is totally stupid really really wrong.

Intelligent discourse brings strength because ideas are debated and
tested. Free speech is what made our country strong.

Bryan wrote:
> On Sep 15, 11:51 am, Becca > wrote:
>> pure kona wrote:
>>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
>>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
>>> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>>> Just my $.02
>>> aloha,
>>> Cea
>> My youngest son watches Fox, I have also watched it, but they tend to
>> give a one-sided view. Even a pancake has two sides, no matter how thin
>> it is. They are the only network that did not cover the president's
>> speech. Did they miss any of Bush's speeches in the 8 years he held
>> office? This makes me just a little skeptical of what I hear on Fox.
>
> Maybe your son is the sort who would have blindly herded Jews onto
> trains headed for death camps, had he not a parent who cautioned him
> against evil.


You really are filled with vitriolic hatred of those you imagine your
alleged superiority over to equate someone watching Fox news with a soul
less person who would herd others to their death.

Here is a clue for you. Not everyone mindlessly obeys an ideology like
you have demonstrated and therefore would be different than can you
imagine because they could consider multiple viewpoints.

>
> --Bryan

On Sep 15, 8:39*pm, George > wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
> > On Sep 15, 11:51 am, Becca > wrote:
> >> pure kona wrote:
> >>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
> >>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
> >>> Nothing too exciting! *I can't bear to watch Fox.
> >>> Just my $.02
> >>> aloha,
> >>> Cea
> >> My youngest son watches Fox, I have also watched it, but they tend to
> >> give a one-sided view. *Even a pancake has two sides, no matter how thin
> >> it is. *They are the only network that did not cover the president's
> >> speech. Did they miss any of Bush's speeches in the 8 years he held
> >> office? *This makes me just a little skeptical of what I hear on Fox..
>
> > Maybe your son is the sort who would have blindly herded Jews onto
> > trains headed for death camps, had he not a parent who cautioned him
> > against evil.
>
> You really are filled with vitriolic hatred of those you imagine your
> alleged superiority over to equate someone watching Fox news with a soul
> less person who would herd others to their death.
>
Deny safe neighborhoods, decent nutrition and access to the medical
care you take for granted to poor children so you can keep more of
your "earned" money. Poor kids die in America from poverty. When you
prioritize low tax rates for the rich, you herd the children of the
poor to their deaths.

And yes, I do hate you.
>
>
> > --Bryan

--Bryan

In article >,
George > wrote:


> I am a firm believer that everyone has a right to speak

And yet, a few people, all conservative, thought that Obama didn't have
the right to make a speech aimed at schoolkids, encouraging them to stay
in school.

> and find the
> current crop of liberals who seem to think everyone who disagrees with
> them in any way is totally stupid really really wrong.

There are certainly some stupid liberals, also.

> Intelligent discourse brings strength because ideas are debated and
> tested. Free speech is what made our country strong.

I certainly agree with you. Everybody should have the right to speak,
but we should also only listen to the smart and reasonable ones. Some
of these people are liberals, some are conservatives.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:23:37 -0400, George >
wrote:

>pure kona wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:20:47 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>>
>>> Where to take Obama for lunch?
>>>
>>> President Obama comes to Philadelphia today and the Fox morning news talking
>>> heads asked viewers to recommend a place for him to eat.
>>>
>>> Lots of typical favorites but what made me laugh was the high occurance of
>>> "Friendly's," a regional "howard johnsons" type low-class restaurant.
>>>
>>> Why he wouldn't want a couple dozen $100 Philly cheesesteaks is beyond me!
>>>
>>> Andy
>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
>> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>>
>> Just my $.02
>>
>> aloha,
>> Cea
>
>Thats quite a wide brush you are using. I am guessing you fancy yourself
>as some sort of uber intellectual who just knows they are exceedingly
>smarter than people who don't agree with them.

I meant FOX news. I don't watch regular syndicated TV. And yes, I do
try to think outside of the box. I LOVE NPR for information---so go
for it. My BIL thinks NPR is left leaning but I seem to agree with
most of their syndicated-wonderful- programs. I just hate the yelling
and the tone of people like O'Reilley and Beck etc on FOX news. They
think that by raising their voices or putting down, severely, the
Other Side,---- they win. Nope they turn some of us off.

BTW I always argued with my 2 brothers who became--a lawyer and a
Psychologist. I was raised to not allow the noise to interrupt my
thoughts.

Women have only had THE vote for less than 90 years but we are
thinkers--just like all the yellers.

Just my $.02.

aloha,
Cea

Bryan wrote:
> On Sep 15, 7:20 am, Andy > wrote:
>> Where to take Obama for lunch?
>>
>> President Obama comes to Philadelphia today and the Fox morning news talking
>> heads asked viewers to recommend a place for him to eat.
>>
>> Lots of typical favorites but what made me laugh was the high occurance of
>> "Friendly's," a regional "howard johnsons" type low-class restaurant.
>>
>> Why he wouldn't want a couple dozen $100 Philly cheesesteaks is beyond me!
>
> In St. Louis (Clayton), I'd take him to The Fatted Calf.
>
> http://www.fattedcalfburgers.com/
>



You'd take him out for burgers, with so many yummy St. Louis local
specialties available? St. Louis style pizza? St. Paul sandwich?
Barbecued pig snoots & ears? ;-)

He'll probably wanna take a loaf of Provel home with him...

Bob

Because of his busy schedule, President Obama didn't step out for a meal
during his brief visit. He didn't even stay for the $10,000/plate dinner,
only the $1,000/per person reception.

His visit to Philly was to drum up contributions for PA senator Arlen
Specter's re-election campaign fund.

Oh well, maybe next time.

Andy

In article >, Andy > wrote:

> Where to take Obama for lunch?
>
> President Obama comes to Philadelphia today and the Fox morning news talking
> heads asked viewers to recommend a place for him to eat.
>
> Lots of typical favorites but what made me laugh was the high occurance of
> "Friendly's," a regional "howard johnsons" type low-class restaurant.
>
> Why he wouldn't want a couple dozen $100 Philly cheesesteaks is beyond me!

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama would want a regular Philly
cheesesteak. I would recommend one of Philly's many diners, such as the
Melrose or the Mayfair diner.

Stan Horwitz said...

> I wouldn't be surprised if Obama would want a regular Philly
> cheesesteak. I would recommend one of Philly's many diners, such as the
> Melrose or the Mayfair diner.


Stan,

He'd definitely get a piece of Philly's mind at either of the two.

Best,

Andy

Bryan wrote:
> On Sep 15, 8:39 pm, George > wrote:
>> Bryan wrote:
>>> On Sep 15, 11:51 am, Becca > wrote:
>>>> pure kona wrote:
>>>>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
>>>>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
>>>>> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>>>>> Just my $.02
>>>>> aloha,
>>>>> Cea
>>>> My youngest son watches Fox, I have also watched it, but they tend to
>>>> give a one-sided view. Even a pancake has two sides, no matter how thin
>>>> it is. They are the only network that did not cover the president's
>>>> speech. Did they miss any of Bush's speeches in the 8 years he held
>>>> office? This makes me just a little skeptical of what I hear on Fox.
>>> Maybe your son is the sort who would have blindly herded Jews onto
>>> trains headed for death camps, had he not a parent who cautioned him
>>> against evil.
>> You really are filled with vitriolic hatred of those you imagine your
>> alleged superiority over to equate someone watching Fox news with a soul
>> less person who would herd others to their death.
>>
> Deny safe neighborhoods, decent nutrition and access to the medical
> care you take for granted to poor children so you can keep more of
> your "earned" money. Poor kids die in America from poverty. When you
> prioritize low tax rates for the rich, you herd the children of the
> poor to their deaths.
>
> And yes, I do hate you.
>>

Which completely illustrates what a mindless automaton you are. You are
the very totally polarized mindless thing you hate so much. You don't
even know what my belief system is.


>>> --Bryan
>
> --Bryan

pure kona wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:23:37 -0400, George >
> wrote:
>
>> pure kona wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:20:47 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where to take Obama for lunch?
>>>>
>>>> President Obama comes to Philadelphia today and the Fox morning news talking
>>>> heads asked viewers to recommend a place for him to eat.
>>>>
>>>> Lots of typical favorites but what made me laugh was the high occurance of
>>>> "Friendly's," a regional "howard johnsons" type low-class restaurant.
>>>>
>>>> Why he wouldn't want a couple dozen $100 Philly cheesesteaks is beyond me!
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
>>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
>>> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>>>
>>> Just my $.02
>>>
>>> aloha,
>>> Cea
>> Thats quite a wide brush you are using. I am guessing you fancy yourself
>> as some sort of uber intellectual who just knows they are exceedingly
>> smarter than people who don't agree with them.
>
> I meant FOX news. I don't watch regular syndicated TV. And yes, I do
> try to think outside of the box. I LOVE NPR for information---so go
> for it. My BIL thinks NPR is left leaning but I seem to agree with
> most of their syndicated-wonderful- programs. I just hate the yelling
> and the tone of people like O'Reilley and Beck etc on FOX news. They
> think that by raising their voices or putting down, severely, the
> Other Side,---- they win. Nope they turn some of us off.
>

NPR is left leaning. Thats why (at least to me) it is important to scan
lots of sources for information.


> BTW I always argued with my 2 brothers who became--a lawyer and a
> Psychologist. I was raised to not allow the noise to interrupt my
> thoughts.

You seem to immensely contradict yourself. You say you can filter the
noise but they you say you can't. I catch O'Reilly maybe once/week and I
don't find what you described. Perhaps its simply that you disagree?

>
> Women have only had THE vote for less than 90 years but we are
> thinkers--just like all the yellers.

Every group has loud mouthed "yellers".

>
> Just my $.02.
>
> aloha,
> Cea

On Sep 15, 10:08*pm, Dan Abel > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> *George > wrote:
> > I am a firm believer that everyone has a right to speak
>
> And yet, a few people, all conservative, thought that Obama didn't have
> the right to make a speech aimed at schoolkids, encouraging them to stay
> in school.
>
> > and find the
> > current crop of liberals who seem to think everyone who disagrees with
> > them in any way is totally stupid really really wrong.
>
> There are certainly some stupid liberals, also.

No question. Conservatives fall loosely into a coalition that
includes the profoundly stupid who don't believe in human evolution,
much less global climate change, and the "greed is a virtue" economic
libertarians who seem to think that it's more important that the rich
be allowed to accumulate massive wealth while poor kids go without
quality health care, with a lot of overlap.
I'll leave it to the other side to describe liberals in disparaging
ways.
>
> > Intelligent discourse brings strength because ideas are debated and
> > tested. Free speech is what made our country strong.
>
> I certainly agree with you. *Everybody should have the right to speak,
> but we should also only listen to the smart and reasonable ones. *Some
> of these people are liberals, some are conservatives.

I disagree with the liberals in the House who admonished Rep. Wilson
for rudeness. He called it as he saw it. He was stretching and
exaggerating to the point of being pretty far to the incorrect side of
the truth continuum, and that's the more important point.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Petaluma, California USA
>

--Bryan, militantly progressive, but nowhere near nice enough to be
called a liberal

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:23:34 -0700 (PDT), Bryan
> wrote:

>On Sep 15, 8:39*pm, George > wrote:
>> Bryan wrote:
>> > On Sep 15, 11:51 am, Becca > wrote:
>> >> pure kona wrote:
>> >>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
>> >>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
>> >>> Nothing too exciting! *I can't bear to watch Fox.
>> >>> Just my $.02
>> >>> aloha,
>> >>> Cea
>> >> My youngest son watches Fox, I have also watched it, but they tend to
>> >> give a one-sided view. *Even a pancake has two sides, no matter how thin
>> >> it is. *They are the only network that did not cover the president's
>> >> speech.

Are you saying Obama made only one speech, or are you speaking of a
different President? I'm about as equal opportunity basher as it gets
(between Obama and Bush I see neither being Presidential material,
albiet both are equally Politico) and I haven't noticed where Fox has
missed broadcasting any of Obama's speeches and he makes at least one
speech every day, often two and three. I surf between at least a half
dozen news channels and they're all prejudicial... I don't consider
any of them News anymore, they'e all silly talk shows... they can't
even report the weather without bias anymore. News Anchors today are
no different than Imus in temperment. Anyone who thinks any one News
show is more or less prejudicial than another is who's prejudiced.

Bush screwed up by missing every opportunity to wipe out our muslim
enemies, his actions were way wussier than his mouth. But Bush had
not a whit to do with screwing up our economy, the people did that to
themselves all by themselves[period] Obama is also in way over his
head, he hasn't a clue how to proceed on the international front,
especially in the war on terror, and is even less capable of repairing
an economy that by his actions alone placed it into irreversable death
throes... any five year old knows that you can't damage control debt
by creating more debt (if your neighbors owed you money for years and
made no effort to repay would you continue to lend them more). Obama
is either totally inept or he has an evil-doer agenda... he's doing
everything possible to bankrupt the country and destroy its will. Our
children will never see the America I lived, America at its best.






>Did they miss any of Bush's speeches in the 8 years he held
>> >> office? *This makes me just a little skeptical of what I hear on Fox.
>>
>> > Maybe your son is the sort who would have blindly herded Jews onto
>> > trains headed for death camps, had he not a parent who cautioned him
>> > against evil.
>>
>> You really are filled with vitriolic hatred of those you imagine your
>> alleged superiority over to equate someone watching Fox news with a soul
>> less person who would herd others to their death.
>>
>Deny safe neighborhoods, decent nutrition and access to the medical
>care you take for granted to poor children so you can keep more of
>your "earned" money. Poor kids die in America from poverty. When you
>prioritize low tax rates for the rich, you herd the children of the
>poor to their deaths.
>
>And yes, I do hate you.
>>
>>
>> > --Bryan
>
>--Bryan

Bryan wrote:
>
> I disagree with the liberals in the House who admonished Rep. Wilson
> for rudeness. He called it as he saw it. He was stretching and
> exaggerating to the point of being pretty far to the incorrect side of
> the truth continuum, and that's the more important point.


I think it's funny (and telling) that they need to have an actual
written House rule of decorum about calling the President a liar.

Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
>>
>> I disagree with the liberals in the House who admonished Rep. Wilson
>> for rudeness. He called it as he saw it. He was stretching and
>> exaggerating to the point of being pretty far to the incorrect side of
>> the truth continuum, and that's the more important point.
>
>
> I think it's funny (and telling) that they need to have an actual
> written House rule of decorum about calling the President a liar.
>
> Bob

They had to do something, in the olden days Congress Critters got into
curse fights that led to either a whipping with a horse whip or a duel
at ten paces. Methinks we should return to those days and there would be
a lot more decorum in the House.

George Shirley wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
>> Bryan wrote:
>>>
>>> I disagree with the liberals in the House who admonished Rep. Wilson
>>> for rudeness. He called it as he saw it. He was stretching and
>>> exaggerating to the point of being pretty far to the incorrect side of
>>> the truth continuum, and that's the more important point.
>>
>>
>> I think it's funny (and telling) that they need to have an actual
>> written House rule of decorum about calling the President a liar.
>>
>> Bob
>
> They had to do something, in the olden days Congress Critters got into
> curse fights that led to either a whipping with a horse whip or a duel
> at ten paces. Methinks we should return to those days and there would be
> a lot more decorum in the House.


It would certainly be more entertaining. :-)

Bob

"An armed society is a polite society" --Robert A. Heinlein

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:48:15 -0400, George wrote:

> Bryan wrote:
>> On Sep 15, 8:39 pm, George > wrote:
>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>> On Sep 15, 11:51 am, Becca > wrote:
>>>>> pure kona wrote:
>>>>>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
>>>>>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
>>>>>> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>>>>>> Just my $.02
>>>>>> aloha,
>>>>>> Cea
>>>>> My youngest son watches Fox, I have also watched it, but they tend to
>>>>> give a one-sided view. Even a pancake has two sides, no matter how thin
>>>>> it is. They are the only network that did not cover the president's
>>>>> speech. Did they miss any of Bush's speeches in the 8 years he held
>>>>> office? This makes me just a little skeptical of what I hear on Fox.
>>>> Maybe your son is the sort who would have blindly herded Jews onto
>>>> trains headed for death camps, had he not a parent who cautioned him
>>>> against evil.
>>> You really are filled with vitriolic hatred of those you imagine your
>>> alleged superiority over to equate someone watching Fox news with a soul
>>> less person who would herd others to their death.
>>>
>> Deny safe neighborhoods, decent nutrition and access to the medical
>> care you take for granted to poor children so you can keep more of
>> your "earned" money. Poor kids die in America from poverty. When you
>> prioritize low tax rates for the rich, you herd the children of the
>> poor to their deaths.
>>
>> And yes, I do hate you.
>>>
>
> Which completely illustrates what a mindless automaton you are. You are
> the very totally polarized mindless thing you hate so much. You don't
> even know what my belief system is.

it's not that hard to figure out, george. any of your political posts here
have spouted the RNC/fox news line.

blake

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:23:37 -0400, George wrote:

> pure kona wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:20:47 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>>
>>> Where to take Obama for lunch?
>>>
>>> President Obama comes to Philadelphia today and the Fox morning news talking
>>> heads asked viewers to recommend a place for him to eat.
>>>
>>> Lots of typical favorites but what made me laugh was the high occurance of
>>> "Friendly's," a regional "howard johnsons" type low-class restaurant.
>>>
>>> Why he wouldn't want a couple dozen $100 Philly cheesesteaks is beyond me!
>>>
>>> Andy
>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
>> Nothing too exciting! I can't bear to watch Fox.
>>
>> Just my $.02
>>
>> aloha,
>> Cea
>
> Thats quite a wide brush you are using. I am guessing you fancy yourself
> as some sort of uber intellectual who just knows they are exceedingly
> smarter than people who don't agree with them.

i can watch any random collection of teabagger videos and conclude without
any problem that i am smarter than them.

'keep government hand off my medicare!'

blake

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:23:42 -0500, Andy wrote:

> Stan Horwitz said...
>
>> I wouldn't be surprised if Obama would want a regular Philly
>> cheesesteak. I would recommend one of Philly's many diners, such as the
>> Melrose or the Mayfair diner.
>
> Stan,
>
> He'd definitely get a piece of Philly's mind at either of the two.
>
> Best,
>
> Andy

if they're anything like your mind, i'm sure he would find it suitably
instructive.

blake

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
> zxcvbob wrote:
>> Bryan wrote:
>>>
>>> I disagree with the liberals in the House who admonished Rep. Wilson
>>> for rudeness. He called it as he saw it. He was stretching and
>>> exaggerating to the point of being pretty far to the incorrect side of
>>> the truth continuum, and that's the more important point.
>>
>>
>> I think it's funny (and telling) that they need to have an actual written
>> House rule of decorum about calling the President a liar.
>>
>> Bob
>
> They had to do something, in the olden days Congress Critters got into
> curse fights that led to either a whipping with a horse whip or a duel at
> ten paces. Methinks we should return to those days and there would be a
> lot more decorum in the House.



Why does anyone *care* where the President eats lunch?! Or for that matter
*what* he eats for lunch? Is it that pressing an issue? I don't think so.

Jill

On Sep 15, 3:57*pm, "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >> "pure kona" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:20:47 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>
> >>>> Where to take Obama for lunch?
>
> >>> Please don't get mad, but my sense of people who watch Fox is that
> >>> they indeed would want to go to Friendly's or something similar.
> >>> Nothing too exciting! *I can't bear to watch Fox.
>
> >>> Just my $.02
>
> >>> aloha,
> >>> Cea
>
> >> (laughing) *In the last few years of my father's life he wouldn't
> >> watch anything but Fox (he called it "Fox News") and the History
> >> Channel. *Nothing wrong with the History Channel but I take exception
> >> to calling Fox "news". After he died it took me forever to convince
> >> my mother she was actually allowed to change the channel and watch
> >> anything she wanted to.
>
> > Fox runs a lot like CNN; there are some dedicated news programs, and
> > there are quite a few commentary shows.
>
> Fox has some really good dedicated news programs, during last year's
> election they eventually became my main source of teevee nooze (FWIW). *I
> mean, they regularly had on left - leaning people like Bernie Sanders,
> Maxine Waters, various Dem operatives and honchoes, etc., so a pretty
> entertaining ideological spread. CNN is just generally so white bread and
> bland...
>
> Of course Fox has lotsa silly shit like Glenn Beck or whoever, but that is
> strictly entertainment, like Limbaugh, etc....
>
> If you are more left - leaning there is always MSNBC, I regularly watch
> Keith Olberman and Rachel Madow. *They have their biases, too, just realize
> that. They can get as silly with the right wing - bashing as their
> counterparts on Fox do bashing the left...
>
> And although not strictly "news", Bill Maher has on guests from all over the
> ideological spectrum, it can get pretty lively, besides being though -
> provoking...
>
> And I sometimes listen to Ron Reagan, Jr. on Air America, he has developed
> into a very good radio host and commentator...

I prefer Diane Rehm, where they have folks from Heritage and
Brookings, Weekly Standard and The Nation, conservatives and
progressives, none of whom are yelling at each other.
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

--Bryan

jmcquown
>
>
> Why does anyone *care* where the President eats lunch?! Or for that
> matter *what* he eats for lunch? Is it that pressing an issue? I don't
> think so.
>


Go back and read the thread, Jill. You've been coming in at the middle
or end of a lot of threads lately. We can't always re-explain
EVERYTHING to you, can we? Keep up, girl!

gloria p