Sorry, but enough is enough. I not only KF'ed google groups but all
crossposts. If you are in gg or a uk group and wanna be seen --if you
care-- speak up and I'll make an exception. For any others tired of
the flood of spamming, Blinky's site lives on:

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usene...lters_ex1.html

To kill crossposts, see your newsreader client manual.

nb

notbob wrote:

> Sorry, but enough is enough. I not only KF'ed google groups but all
> crossposts. If you are in gg or a uk group and wanna be seen --if you
> care-- speak up and I'll make an exception.

I'm not seeing any spam. If your news provider doesn't run cleanfeed or
other filter at the server, then they aren't doing their job.

I use <http://news.individual.net> and have a spam-free experience for
10 euros/year. A few cross-post filters for the trolls, and I'm in
pretty good shape.




Brian

--
Day 207 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project

"Default User" > wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but enough is enough. I not only KF'ed google groups but all
>> crossposts. If you are in gg or a uk group and wanna be seen --if you
>> care-- speak up and I'll make an exception.
>
> I'm not seeing any spam. If your news provider doesn't run cleanfeed or
> other filter at the server, then they aren't doing their job.
>
> I use <http://news.individual.net> and have a spam-free experience for
> 10 euros/year. A few cross-post filters for the trolls, and I'm in
> pretty good shape.
>
It must be time to remind you that notbob is an idiot.

On 2009-08-28, cybercat > wrote:
>
> "Default User" > wrote in message

>> 10 euros/year. A few cross-post filters for the trolls, and I'm in
>> pretty good shape.

> It must be time to remind you that notbob is an idiot.

Which reminds me, I forgot to set up the "loser" section of my score
file.

Hiya, Cyba.

nb

notbob wrote:

> On 2009-08-28, cybercat > wrote:
> >
> > "Default User" > wrote in message
>
> >> 10 euros/year. A few cross-post filters for the trolls, and I'm in
> >> pretty good shape.
>
> > It must be time to remind you that notbob is an idiot.

It might be time to remind cybercat that I regretfully added her to my
killfile some time back.

> Which reminds me, I forgot to set up the "loser" section of my score
> file.

Definitely an important thing for this newsgroup. Even with NIN doing a
great job of eliminating spam, it doesn't fix the problem of so little
useful content, and so much bickering and infighting and just plain
dumbassery[1].

But that's a whole 'nother tale.



1. This is a technical term, and does not constitute grouchiness.

Brian

--
Day 207 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project

On 28 Aug 2009 19:09:18 GMT, "Default User" >
wrote:

>notbob wrote:
>
>> On 2009-08-28, cybercat > wrote:
>> >
>> > "Default User" > wrote in message
>>
>> >> 10 euros/year. A few cross-post filters for the trolls, and I'm in
>> >> pretty good shape.
>>
>> > It must be time to remind you that notbob is an idiot.
>
>It might be time to remind cybercat that I regretfully added her to my
>killfile some time back.
>
>> Which reminds me, I forgot to set up the "loser" section of my score
>> file.
>
>Definitely an important thing for this newsgroup. Even with NIN doing a
>great job of eliminating spam, it doesn't fix the problem of so little
>useful content, and so much bickering and infighting and just plain
>dumbassery[1].
>
>But that's a whole 'nother tale.
>
>
>
>1. This is a technical term, and does not constitute grouchiness.
>
>Brian

Like you I use NIN and see almost no real spam. Since I use Agent
5.0, I am able to filter out subthreads. I use that instead of
delete. Delete only removed the first messages, not all of the
follow-ups. I also have 2 views set up, "ignored" and "not ignored."
I keep messages for 10 days and right now there are 5490 total
messages. "Ignored" view is 2545 and the "not ignored" is 2945. A
week or so ago the balance was reversed.

For those of you who are inclined to respond to cross-posted messages,
see if you can set you news reader to warn you that the message is
cross-posted so that you can send your response to the group that it
came from. Agent allows that.

I feel that the $15/year for NIN is worth every penny.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

On Aug 28, 8:33 am, notbob > wrote:
> ..... If you are in gg or a uk group and wanna be seen --if you
> care-- speak up and I'll make an exception. ....

This implies that someone would give a shit whether you killfile
them. That's delusional. -aem

On Aug 28, 1:01*pm, aem > wrote:
> On Aug 28, 8:33 am, notbob > wrote:
>
> > *..... *If you are in gg or a uk group and wanna be seen --if you
> > care-- speak up and I'll make an exception. ....
>
> This implies that someone would give a shit whether you killfile
> them. *That's delusional. * * -aem

Killfiling seems so silly. Isn't it mostly a leftover from the days
where even text-only used significant bandwidth? My 2400 baud modem
just can't keep up with all these unwanted headers? Is that what it
was for?

--Bryan

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

> On Aug 28, 1:01 pm, aem > wrote:
>
>>On Aug 28, 8:33 am, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> ..... If you are in gg or a uk group and wanna be seen --if you
>>>care-- speak up and I'll make an exception. ....
>>
>>This implies that someone would give a shit whether you killfile
>>them. That's delusional. -aem
>
>
> Killfiling seems so silly. Isn't it mostly a leftover from the days
> where even text-only used significant bandwidth? My 2400 baud modem
> just can't keep up with all these unwanted headers? Is that what it
> was for?

No, it's not a bandwidth issue. It's more an "I don't want to read or
even look at one more post by this blathering moron" issue. There are
individuals upon whom I am unwilling to waste even a single "click" of
the forefinger. Killfiles are one of the great things about usenet.
Seriously, who wouldn't like to be able to apply a "STFU" application to
certain individuals in other aspects of their lives.

On 2009-08-28, Kathleen > wrote:

> Seriously, who wouldn't like to be able to apply a "STFU" application to
> certain individuals in other aspects of their lives.

Actually, these options do exist in one form or another, it's just
most civilized societies consider them illegal.

nb

On 2009-08-28, Stu > wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:29:06 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® >
> wrote:
>
> -->On Aug 28, 1:01*pm, aem > wrote:

> -->> This implies that someone would give a shit whether you killfile
> -->> them. *That's delusional. * * -aem

It "implies" nothing and is not delusional. It's merely good
housekeeping. I'm tired of wading through dozens of headers of
nonesense and spam and crossposts from the trolls in uk.*. Simple as
that. Apperently, since I didn't see your original post, I must
assume you use google. I neither condone nor condemn google or ppl
who use it. It's just the origin of way too much spam and since
KF'ing it, 100% of the spam across a dozen newsgroups I read (some
much worse than here) has disappeared. Again, that simple. If that
doesn' bother you, it certainly doesn't bother me.

nb

In article
>,
Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:

> On Aug 28, 1:01*pm, aem > wrote:
> > On Aug 28, 8:33 am, notbob > wrote:
> >
> > > *..... *If you are in gg or a uk group and wanna be seen --if you
> > > care-- speak up and I'll make an exception. ....
> >
> > This implies that someone would give a shit whether you killfile
> > them. *That's delusional. * * -aem
>
> Killfiling seems so silly. Isn't it mostly a leftover from the days
> where even text-only used significant bandwidth? My 2400 baud modem
> just can't keep up with all these unwanted headers? Is that what it
> was for?

It's like the channel selector and "off" button on the satellite
receiver for my tv. If I tried to watch every channel, or even
everything on one channel, that would be my whole life.

There are too many posts on this newsgroup for me to be able to read
them all. I thus killfile authors who don't post anything worthwhile,
and killfile threads that don't interest me. That gives me more time to
read the posts that I want to read.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:00:14 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

-->In article
>,
--> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
-->
-->> On Aug 28, 1:01*pm, aem > wrote:
-->> > On Aug 28, 8:33 am, notbob > wrote:
-->> >
-->> > > *..... *If you are in gg or a uk group and wanna be seen --if you
-->> > > care-- speak up and I'll make an exception. ....
-->> >
-->> > This implies that someone would give a shit whether you killfile
-->> > them. *That's delusional. * * -aem
-->>
-->> Killfiling seems so silly. Isn't it mostly a leftover from the days
-->> where even text-only used significant bandwidth? My 2400 baud modem
-->> just can't keep up with all these unwanted headers? Is that what it
-->> was for?
-->
-->It's like the channel selector and "off" button on the satellite
-->receiver for my tv. If I tried to watch every channel, or even
-->everything on one channel, that would be my whole life.
-->
-->There are too many posts on this newsgroup for me to be able to read
-->them all. I thus killfile authors who don't post anything worthwhile,
-->and killfile threads that don't interest me. That gives me more time to
-->read the posts that I want to read.

Like culling the flock

In article >,
ffu > wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:00:14 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> -->In article
> >,
> --> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
> -->
> -->> On Aug 28, 1:01*pm, aem > wrote:
> -->> > On Aug 28, 8:33 am, notbob > wrote:
> -->> >
> -->> > > *..... *If you are in gg or a uk group and wanna be seen --if you
> -->> > > care-- speak up and I'll make an exception. ....
> -->> >
> -->> > This implies that someone would give a shit whether you killfile
> -->> > them. *That's delusional. * * -aem
> -->>
> -->> Killfiling seems so silly. Isn't it mostly a leftover from the days
> -->> where even text-only used significant bandwidth? My 2400 baud modem
> -->> just can't keep up with all these unwanted headers? Is that what it
> -->> was for?
> -->
> -->It's like the channel selector and "off" button on the satellite
> -->receiver for my tv. If I tried to watch every channel, or even
> -->everything on one channel, that would be my whole life.
> -->
> -->There are too many posts on this newsgroup for me to be able to read
> -->them all. I thus killfile authors who don't post anything worthwhile,
> -->and killfile threads that don't interest me. That gives me more time to
> -->read the posts that I want to read.
>
> Like culling the flock

Not exactly. And I'd like to change what I wrote above, from "don't
post anything worthwhile" to "don't post things that I am interested in".

I'm not "culling" someone else's flock, I'm just making a personal
choice as to where to spend my time. As an example, if a menu at a
restaurant has 100 items, and I choose one, I wouldn't dream of telling
the server to take the other 99 items off the menu.

My killfile is my personal choice as to where to spend my time. It is
not intended as a guide to anyone else, or as a condemnation of
someone's posts (I'll do that separately, if I think that it is needed).

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

> Killfiling seems so silly. Isn't it mostly a leftover from the days
> where even text-only used significant bandwidth?

If nothing else, it saves you the temptation of responding when it is
difficult to be polite.

> My 2400 baud modem
> just can't keep up with all these unwanted headers? Is that what it
> was for?


2400??? You can't be serious. That is almost stone age.

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> > Killfiling seems so silly. Isn't it mostly a leftover from the days
> > where even text-only used significant bandwidth?
>
> If nothing else, it saves you the temptation of responding when it is
> difficult to be polite.
>
> > My 2400 baud modem
> > just can't keep up with all these unwanted headers? Is that what it
> > was for?
>
>
> 2400??? You can't be serious. That is almost stone age.

Life *did* used to be different. I started out with a 300 baud modem.
My terminal had no lower case and no "delete" key. If a list took more
than one screen, watch carefully, because once it scrolled off the top,
it was *gone*.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:13:31 -0400, Dave Smith >
wrote:

-->Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
-->
-->> Killfiling seems so silly. Isn't it mostly a leftover from the days
-->> where even text-only used significant bandwidth?
-->
-->If nothing else, it saves you the temptation of responding when it is
-->difficult to be polite.
-->
-->> My 2400 baud modem
-->> just can't keep up with all these unwanted headers? Is that what it
-->> was for?
-->
-->
-->2400??? You can't be serious. That is almost stone age.

I started with a 300 baud, start downloading a 1 meg file update usually at
bed, and by morning it had been download. God was it cutting edge.

On 2009-09-12, ffu > wrote:

> I started with a 300 baud, start downloading a 1 meg file update usually at
> bed, and by morning it had been download. God was it cutting edge.

That's nothing. I started with a Swahili tribesman on a binary drum
set downloading limericks in machine language. Reeeally slow till I
upgraded to the Santana rhythm section.

nb

ffu wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:13:31 -0400, Dave Smith >

> -->
> -->
> -->2400??? You can't be serious. That is almost stone age.
>
> I started with a 300 baud, start downloading a 1 meg file update usually at
> bed, and by morning it had been download. God was it cutting edge.


I cam into it state of the art.... 600 baud. Then I upgraded to 1200,
2400 14400...56000 then DSL. When I first got into the BBS thing
around 1987 <?> a modem was about $250 for the state of the art and 600
had just come out. Every year or two for the next few years the newer
faster modems would come on the market at the same price and the old
ones were cheap. After they hit 56K the prices plummeted.

Dave Smith wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
>> Killfiling seems so silly. Isn't it mostly a leftover from the days
>> where even text-only used significant bandwidth?
>
> If nothing else, it saves you the temptation of responding when it is
> difficult to be polite.
>
>> My 2400 baud modem
>> just can't keep up with all these unwanted headers? Is that what it
>> was for?
>
>
> 2400??? You can't be serious. That is almost stone age.

No, Dave, 300 baud was stone age, 2400 baud was iron age. <G>

George Shirley wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>>
>>> Killfiling seems so silly. Isn't it mostly a leftover from the days
>>> where even text-only used significant bandwidth?
>>
>> If nothing else, it saves you the temptation of responding when it is
>> difficult to be polite.
>>
>>> My 2400 baud modem
>>> just can't keep up with all these unwanted headers? Is that what it
>>> was for?
>>
>>
>> 2400??? You can't be serious. That is almost stone age.
>
> No, Dave, 300 baud was stone age, 2400 baud was iron age. <G>

I will give you bronze. Iron age would be 14.4K, and 56K would be the
steam era.

On Aug 28, 1:29*pm, Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
> On Aug 28, 1:01*pm, aem > wrote:
>
> > On Aug 28, 8:33 am, notbob > wrote:
>
> > > *..... *If you are in gg or a uk group and wanna be seen --if you
> > > care-- speak up and I'll make an exception. ....
>
> > This implies that someone would give a shit whether you killfile
> > them. *That's delusional. * * -aem
>
> Killfiling seems so silly. *Isn't it mostly a leftover from the days
> where even text-only used significant bandwidth? *My 2400 baud modem
> just can't keep up with all these unwanted headers? *Is that what it
> was for?
>
> --Bryan

Killfiling is for people suffering from delusions that do not want
others from disturbing their specious confidence in those delusions!

John Kuthe...

"aem" > wrote in message
...
> On Aug 28, 8:33 am, notbob > wrote:
>> ..... If you are in gg or a uk group and wanna be seen --if you
>> care-- speak up and I'll make an exception. ....
>
> This implies that someone would give a shit whether you killfile
> them. That's delusional. -aem

An excellent point!

aem wrote:

>> ..... If you are in gg or a uk group and wanna be seen --if you
>> care-- speak up and I'll make an exception. ....
>
> This implies that someone would give a shit whether you killfile
> them. That's delusional. -aem

I don't know about that. Most of the time when I reply to a post, I have the
expectation that the person to whom I'm replying will read what I wrote. Of
course, given the frequency with which my NSP drops posts, I might not see
replies to *my* posts.

Bob

"Janet Baraclough" > wrote in message
...
> The message >
> from notbob > contains these words:
>
> Blinky's site lives on:
>
>> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usene...lters_ex1.html
>
> I miss Blinky
>

I can see why you would. You in particular.