Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12 hot dog
buns in a single pack? I mean, I can see the slimy marketing aspect,
forcing people to buy more than they need, but is it based on something
else...a baker's tradition, perhaps?

In the 19th century, British bakers who added dust to flour to make lower
cost bread for the working class called the process "sophistication".
Perhaps we are in the presence of a similar drollery.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

Michel Boucher wrote:
> Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12 hot dog
> buns in a single pack? I mean, I can see the slimy marketing aspect,
> forcing people to buy more than they need, but is it based on something
> else...a baker's tradition, perhaps?
>
> In the 19th century, British bakers who added dust to flour to make lower
> cost bread for the working class called the process "sophistication".
> Perhaps we are in the presence of a similar drollery.
>


What am I missing? I thought packaged dogs are 8/pack? I don't ever
recall seeing anything different.

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12 hot
> dog
> buns in a single pack? I mean, I can see the slimy marketing aspect,
> forcing people to buy more than they need, but is it based on something
> else...a baker's tradition, perhaps?
>
> In the 19th century, British bakers who added dust to flour to make lower
> cost bread for the working class called the process "sophistication".
> Perhaps we are in the presence of a similar drollery.
>

Change stores. I bought a 12 pack of rolls today. I can also buy 8 dogs
too. Many combinations available.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in
:

> "Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12
>> hot dog
>> buns in a single pack? I mean, I can see the slimy marketing aspect,
>> forcing people to buy more than they need, but is it based on
>> something else...a baker's tradition, perhaps?
>>
>> In the 19th century, British bakers who added dust to flour to make
>> lower cost bread for the working class called the process
>> "sophistication". Perhaps we are in the presence of a similar
>> drollery.
>
> Change stores. I bought a 12 pack of rolls today. I can also buy 8
> dogs too. Many combinations available.

I wasn't asking for advice but rather wondering if anyone knew why. I can
go to a butcher and buy eight weiners or a bakery and buy twelve buns. I'm
not dense, just curious.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

Michel Boucher wrote:

> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in
> :
>
> > "Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12
> >> hot dog
> >> buns in a single pack? I mean, I can see the slimy marketing aspect,
> >> forcing people to buy more than they need, but is it based on
> >> something else...a baker's tradition, perhaps?
> >>
> >> In the 19th century, British bakers who added dust to flour to make
> >> lower cost bread for the working class called the process
> >> "sophistication". Perhaps we are in the presence of a similar
> >> drollery.
> >
> > Change stores. I bought a 12 pack of rolls today. I can also buy 8
> > dogs too. Many combinations available.
>
> I wasn't asking for advice but rather wondering if anyone knew why. I can
> go to a butcher and buy eight weiners or a bakery and buy twelve buns.
I'm
> not dense, just curious.


What, ya mean Marx didn't discuss this "problem" in _Das Kapital_...!!!???


;-P


--
Best
Greg

On Sat, 30 May 2009 16:13:45 -0500, Michel Boucher
> wrote:

>Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12 hot dog
>buns in a single pack? I mean, I can see the slimy marketing aspect,
>forcing people to buy more than they need, but is it based on something
>else...a baker's tradition, perhaps?
>
>In the 19th century, British bakers who added dust to flour to make lower
>cost bread for the working class called the process "sophistication".
>Perhaps we are in the presence of a similar drollery.
>
>--
>
>Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
>of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
>good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

Wicked men doing wicked things?
--
mad

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
m:

>> I wasn't asking for advice but rather wondering if anyone knew why.
>> I can go to a butcher and buy eight weiners or a bakery and buy
>> twelve buns. I'm not dense, just curious.
>
> What, ya mean Marx didn't discuss this "problem" in _Das
> Kapital_...!!!???

I don't recall that, but the bit about sophistication of bread was from
Capital, Part III: The Production of Absolute Surplus-Value, Chapter Ten:
The Working-Day, Section 3 - Branches of English Industry without Legal
Limits to Exploitation.

"No branch of industry in England (we do not take into account the making
of bread by machinery recently introduced) has preserved up to the
present day a method of production so archaic, so — as we see from the
poets of the Roman Empire — pre-christian, as baking. But capital, as was
said earlier, is at first indifferent as to the technical character of
the labour-process; it begins by taking it just as it finds it.

"The incredible adulteration of bread, especially in London, was first
revealed by the House of Commons Committee "on the adulteration of
articles of food" (1855-56), and Dr. Hassall's work, "Adulterations
detected." The consequence of these revelations was the Act of August
6th, 1860, "for preventing the adulteration of articles of food and
drink," an inoperative law, as it naturally shows the tenderest
consideration for every Free-trader who determines by the buying or
selling of adulterated commodities "to turn an honest penny." The
Committee itself formulated more or less naïvely its conviction that
Free-trade meant essentially trade with adulterated, or as the English
ingeniously put it, "sophisticated" goods. In fact this kind of sophistry
knows better than Protagoras how to make white black, and black white,
and better than the Eleatics how to demonstrate ad oculos that everything
is only appearance."

http://marx.org/archive/marx/works/d...ital_Vol_1.pdf

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12 hot
> dog
> buns in a single pack? I mean, I can see the slimy marketing aspect,
> forcing people to buy more than they need, but is it based on something
> else...a baker's tradition, perhaps?
>
> In the 19th century, British bakers who added dust to flour to make lower
> cost bread for the working class called the process "sophistication".
> Perhaps we are in the presence of a similar drollery.
>

Must be something local to you. Where I live hot dogs and buns all come 8
to a package. There is the occasional brand of hot dog that comes 10 to a
package but that's so you can eat two of them cold out of the package and
still have enough for all the buns.

Ms P

"Ms P" > wrote in
:

>> Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12
>> hot dog buns in a single pack? I mean, I can see the slimy marketing
>> aspect, forcing people to buy more than they need, but is it based on
>> something else...a baker's tradition, perhaps?
>
> Must be something local to you.

Perhaps it's just not local to you...:-)

> Where I live hot dogs and buns all
> come 8 to a package. There is the occasional brand of hot dog that
> comes 10 to a package but that's so you can eat two of them cold out
> of the package and still have enough for all the buns.

Here they come in packs of 6 or 12, and the buns come in packs of 8,
whether for hamburgers or hot dogs. Now, as I said, I can get the right
number of either, but I was more or less constrained in my purchase to
something the eight year old granddaughter would eat. As it turns out, she
is not hungry for that as she came back from a birthday party all stuffed
with cake.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

On Sat, 30 May 2009 16:13:45 -0500, Michel Boucher
> wrote:

>Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12 hot dog
>buns in a single pack? I mean, I can see the slimy marketing aspect,
>forcing people to buy more than they need, but is it based on something
>else...a baker's tradition, perhaps?
>
>In the 19th century, British bakers who added dust to flour to make lower
>cost bread for the working class called the process "sophistication".
>Perhaps we are in the presence of a similar drollery.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...re-8-to-a-pack

Mark A.Meggs > wrote in
:

> http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...ogs-come-10-to
> -a-pack-while-buns-are-8-to-a-pack

"Oscar Mayer says that of the 50,000 or so consumer letters they get each
year, only 10 or 15 complain about the hot dog/bun mismatch."

This is pathetic...or they are lying.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in
> :
>
>> "Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12
>>> hot dog
>>> buns in a single pack?
>> Change stores. I bought a 12 pack of rolls today. I can also buy 8
>> dogs too. Many combinations available.
>
> I wasn't asking for advice but rather wondering if anyone knew why. I can
> go to a butcher and buy eight weiners or a bakery and buy twelve buns.
> I'm
> not dense, just curious.
>

I'm not giving advice. I'm telling you that you are wrong. You state you
cannot buy 12 hot dog buns in a single pack. You can.

In article >,
Michel Boucher > wrote:

> Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12 hot dog
> buns in a single pack?

It's partly regional. Hot dogs here come in either 8 or 10. The 8 are
called "bun busters", because they are much longer than a standard bun.

But no, I don't know why the standard sizes are different.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On May 30, 5:54 pm, "Gregory Morrow" >
wrote:
> Michel Boucher wrote:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in
> :
>
> > > "Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
> > 1...
> > >> Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12
> > >> hot dog
> > >> buns in a single pack? I mean, I can see the slimy marketing aspect,
> > >> forcing people to buy more than they need, but is it based on
> > >> something else...a baker's tradition, perhaps?
>
> > >> In the 19th century, British bakers who added dust to flour to make
> > >> lower cost bread for the working class called the process
> > >> "sophistication". Perhaps we are in the presence of a similar
> > >> drollery.
>
> > > Change stores. I bought a 12 pack of rolls today. I can also buy 8
> > > dogs too. Many combinations available.
>
> > I wasn't asking for advice but rather wondering if anyone knew why. I can
> > go to a butcher and buy eight weiners or a bakery and buy twelve buns.
> I'm
> > not dense, just curious.
>
> What, ya mean Marx didn't discuss this "problem" in _Das Kapital_...!!!???
>
Greg, you should know that Das Kapital was a descriptive work, and
taken as such is respected by conservative followers of Classical
Economics who do not allow Marx's other works to reflect upon
Kapital. Marx was a smart cookie, but he had personality flaws. He
got all weird about his Communism idea, and similar to lots of
religious leaders, and indeed generation after generation of common
folks, he was into that fantasy of end times. It's like a "MY
generation is important" megalomania. The great cataclysm will come
in my time, and I'll be there to witness it, or possibly be raptured.
The thing that many on the Right don't get is that Atlas Shrugged is
just as kooky as any Leftist fantasy.
I don't believe that Michael believes in Communism. Keynes did not
believe in Communism. The New Deal neutralized any nascent Communist
movement in the USA. That's why the witch hunt committees found a lot
more used-to-be Communists than current Communists in the 50s.
One thing's pretty clear right now, under-regulated Capitalism has
gotten us into quite a pickle. George H. W. Bush's assertion that
supply side was "Voodoo economics," and Phil Gramm's gutting of Glass-
Steagall Act with his Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services
Modernization Act will make GHWB look like a pretty decent thinker,
and even a middling president (in spite of him having sired one of the
worst American presidents), and Gramm look like one of the worst US
Senators, maybe second only to Joe McCarthy, in the 20th Century.
You should be pleased that President Obama is disappointing the
Lefties here in the US with his pragmatism, and his unwillingness to
have the government take more control over industry than he feels is
necessary. Mr. Obama is unambiguous about wanting to divest public
ownership of industries, for example the auto industry, once the
industry has been stabilized. You should be pleased that Mr. Obama is
disappointing the Lefties here in the US with his opposition to a
quick transition to single payer insurance because he's aware of the
disruption of capital markets that would come to pass, as way too many
state pension funds and other retirement funds that have long
considered the insurance industry to be a safe, long term growth
investment. Heck, he's even going slowly in reining in the pharma
folks. I very begrudgingly agree with that policy, but in the end
know that wealth is not created by moving money around in creative
ways, but by the most creative minds being given an incentive to
innovate something other than *creative* schemes to widen the wealth
gap.
The philosophy of "greed is good" is wrecking our country and our
planet.
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

--Bryan

On Sat 30 May 2009 02:13:45p, Michel Boucher told us...

> Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12 hot
> dog buns in a single pack? I mean, I can see the slimy marketing
> aspect, forcing people to buy more than they need, but is it based on
> something else...a baker's tradition, perhaps?
>
> In the 19th century, British bakers who added dust to flour to make
> lower cost bread for the working class called the process
> "sophistication". Perhaps we are in the presence of a similar drollery.
>

I can't ever remember when the numbr of hot dogs in a package equalled the
number of buns in a package. It didn't make sense then, nor does it now.

--
Wayne Boatwright
------------------------------------------------------------------------
When baking, follow directions. When cooking, go by your own
taste. ~Laiko Bahrs

Michel Boucher wrote:

> Mark A.Meggs > wrote in
> :
>
> > http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...ogs-come-10-to
> > -a-pack-while-buns-are-8-to-a-pack
>
> "Oscar Mayer says that of the 50,000 or so consumer letters they get each
> year, only 10 or 15 complain about the hot dog/bun mismatch."
>
> This is pathetic...or they are lying.


This being a free-market capitalist society, you can always buy *fewer*
hotdogs or *more* buns...

;-P

Or with the excess buns you could make tuna melts or something...


--
Best
Greg

Michel Boucher wrote:

> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
> m:
>
> >> I wasn't asking for advice but rather wondering if anyone knew why.
> >> I can go to a butcher and buy eight weiners or a bakery and buy
> >> twelve buns. I'm not dense, just curious.
> >
> > What, ya mean Marx didn't discuss this "problem" in _Das
> > Kapital_...!!!???
>
> I don't recall that, but the bit about sophistication of bread was from
> Capital, Part III: The Production of Absolute Surplus-Value, Chapter Ten:
> The Working-Day, Section 3 - Branches of English Industry without Legal
> Limits to Exploitation.
>
> "No branch of industry in England (we do not take into account the making
> of bread by machinery recently introduced) has preserved up to the
> present day a method of production so archaic, so - as we see from the
> poets of the Roman Empire - pre-christian, as baking. But capital, as was
> said earlier, is at first indifferent as to the technical character of
> the labour-process; it begins by taking it just as it finds it.
>
> "The incredible adulteration of bread, especially in London, was first
> revealed by the House of Commons Committee "on the adulteration of
> articles of food" (1855-56), and Dr. Hassall's work, "Adulterations
> detected." The consequence of these revelations was the Act of August
> 6th, 1860, "for preventing the adulteration of articles of food and
> drink," an inoperative law, as it naturally shows the tenderest
> consideration for every Free-trader who determines by the buying or
> selling of adulterated commodities "to turn an honest penny." The
> Committee itself formulated more or less naïvely its conviction that
> Free-trade meant essentially trade with adulterated, or as the English
> ingeniously put it, "sophisticated" goods. In fact this kind of sophistry
> knows better than Protagoras how to make white black, and black white,
> and better than the Eleatics how to demonstrate ad oculos that everything
> is only appearance."
>
> http://marx.org/archive/marx/works/d...ital_Vol_1.pdf
>


Interesting...food adulteration was *rife* back in those days.


--
Best
Greg

In article > ,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Sat 30 May 2009 02:13:45p, Michel Boucher told us...
>
> > Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12 hot
> > dog buns in a single pack? I mean, I can see the slimy marketing
> > aspect, forcing people to buy more than they need, but is it based on
> > something else...a baker's tradition, perhaps?
> >
> > In the 19th century, British bakers who added dust to flour to make
> > lower cost bread for the working class called the process
> > "sophistication". Perhaps we are in the presence of a similar drollery.
> >
>
> I can't ever remember when the numbr of hot dogs in a package equalled the
> number of buns in a package. It didn't make sense then, nor does it now.

I agree. Its a conspiracy to sell more packages of hot dogs and hot dog
rolls.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in
:

>> I wasn't asking for advice but rather wondering if anyone knew why.
>> I can go to a butcher and buy eight weiners or a bakery and buy
>> twelve buns. I'm not dense, just curious.
>
> I'm not giving advice. I'm telling you that you are wrong. You state
> you cannot buy 12 hot dog buns in a single pack. You can.

And I said yes I can, if I go to a bakery. Not if I buy them in a chain
grocery store and I explained why I did that in another note.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

Bobo Bonobo® > wrote in news:b423fd4c-3556-4051-8623-
:

> I don't believe that Michael believes in Communism.

Who`s Michael?

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

Bobo Bonobo® > wrote in
:

> Marx was a smart cookie, but he had personality flaws. He
> got all weird about his Communism idea, and similar to lots of
> religious leaders, and indeed generation after generation of common
> folks, he was into that fantasy of end times. It's like a "MY
> generation is important" megalomania. The great cataclysm will come
> in my time, and I'll be there to witness it, or possibly be raptured.
> The thing that many on the Right don't get is that Atlas Shrugged is
> just as kooky as any Leftist fantasy.

Actually, that was an interpretation that was common at one time among
detractors of Marx usually predicated on the consideration that Marx was a
monolith throughout his life. In order to learn different and perhaps gain
more respect for the man who first (and last) mapped the capitalist process
from beginning to end, I suggest you read Francis Wheen's biography, which
is much more balanced and based quite extensively on actual correspondence,
not fanciful fiction of propagandists.

Marx thought at one time the revolution he could foresee would occur in his
lifetime. He was 30 when he said that. By the time he published Capital,
he had largely put such notions aside. I'm sure you were different in your
political at 16 and at 30 and at 50, if not having switched tracks then at
least refined your belief.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in
> :
>
>>> I wasn't asking for advice but rather wondering if anyone knew why.
>>> I can go to a butcher and buy eight weiners or a bakery and buy
>>> twelve buns. I'm not dense, just curious.
>>
>> I'm not giving advice. I'm telling you that you are wrong. You state
>> you cannot buy 12 hot dog buns in a single pack. You can.
>
> And I said yes I can, if I go to a bakery. Not if I buy them in a chain
> grocery store and I explained why I did that in another note.
>

And I said you can. I did so just yesterday. No bakery involved.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in news:ETvUl.12082$im1.10895
@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:

>>> I'm not giving advice. I'm telling you that you are wrong. You state
>>> you cannot buy 12 hot dog buns in a single pack. You can.
>>
>> And I said yes I can, if I go to a bakery. Not if I buy them in a chain
>> grocery store and I explained why I did that in another note.
>
> And I said you can. I did so just yesterday. No bakery involved.

Not in Ottawa (probably not anywhere in None-tario), and not in other
locations from the comments here. I'm not a newbie at this. I've been
buying and cooking the food for this household for twenty years.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

Michel Boucher > wrote in
:

>>> And I said yes I can, if I go to a bakery. Not if I buy them in a
>>> chain grocery store and I explained why I did that in another note.
>>
>> And I said you can. I did so just yesterday. No bakery involved.
>
> Not in Ottawa (probably not anywhere in None-tario), and not in other
> locations from the comments here. I'm not a newbie at this. I've
> been buying and cooking the food for this household for twenty years.

Perhaps I should clarify that I am speaking of two specific products, the
small hotdog bun and the all-beef packaged weiners. I am sure I can get
really big buns and gigantic weiners in different packaging arrangements,
but his was specifically bought to meet the needs of the granddaughter as I
said elsewhere, and she would not eat anything but what I bought, so the
question still stands:

12 hotdogs but 8 buns, what up wit' that?

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

On Sun, 31 May 2009 08:28:09 -0500, Michel Boucher
> wrote:

> Marx thought at one time the revolution he could foresee would occur in his
> lifetime. He was 30 when he said that.

Which would have been 1848, the year of revolutions, or thereabouts.

> By the time he published Capital,
> he had largely put such notions aside.

Few of which, from the Tipperary revolt to the Prague workers'
uprising amounted to much so one can appreciate why.


Matthew


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In the unlikely event you want to mail me replace usenet with my name

In article >,
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in
> > :

> >> I'm not giving advice. I'm telling you that you are wrong. You state
> >> you cannot buy 12 hot dog buns in a single pack. You can.
> >
> > And I said yes I can, if I go to a bakery. Not if I buy them in a chain
> > grocery store and I explained why I did that in another note.
> >
>
> And I said you can. I did so just yesterday. No bakery involved.

It's not exactly rocket science to vary the number of buns in a package.
It's not like they grow on trees in bunches of eight. It doesn't
surprise me at all that different areas of the US, and Canada, might
package buns differently.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Sun, 31 May 2009 10:12:24 -0500, Michel Boucher
> wrote:

>Michel Boucher > wrote in
1:
>
>>>> And I said yes I can, if I go to a bakery. Not if I buy them in a
>>>> chain grocery store and I explained why I did that in another note.
>>>
>>> And I said you can. I did so just yesterday. No bakery involved.
>>
>> Not in Ottawa (probably not anywhere in None-tario), and not in other
>> locations from the comments here. I'm not a newbie at this. I've
>> been buying and cooking the food for this household for twenty years.
>
>Perhaps I should clarify that I am speaking of two specific products, the
>small hotdog bun and the all-beef packaged weiners. I am sure I can get
>really big buns and gigantic weiners in different packaging arrangements,
>but his was specifically bought to meet the needs of the granddaughter as I
>said elsewhere, and she would not eat anything but what I bought, so the
>question still stands:
>
>12 hotdogs but 8 buns, what up wit' that?

You assume that the marketplace is rational. It isn't.

Why should the meat industry and the bread-baking industry share notes
and cooperate for the sake of the consumer's wallet or to make it more
convenient?

The rumour has always persisted that it's done on purpose to make
consumers buy more. Who knows? It's just the way it's been done.

Anyway, the differences used to be much more salient when choices were
more limited, but as others have said, you can now buy prepacked dogs
and buns with the same number of items.
--
mad

Matthew Malthouse > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 31 May 2009 08:28:09 -0500, Michel Boucher
> > wrote:
>
>> Marx thought at one time the revolution he could foresee would occur
>> in his lifetime. He was 30 when he said that.
>
> Which would have been 1848, the year of revolutions, or thereabouts.

Uh-huh...that was my point. The Manifesto of the Communist Party was
written specifically to motivate Germans into rebelling, and as an
adjunct to the list of demands (which was the fundamental document).

http://www.marx.org/archive/marx/works/1848/03/24.htm

Marx predicted a revolution and he was right. Within days of the
publication of the manifesto, a revolution started in Paris which spread
throughout the continent. And the eventual outcome of that revolution,
and others, was the eventual incorporation of the majority of the demands
of 1848 into the legal and economic apparatus of modern societies,
specifically, 1-3, 6-10, 11, 13 and 17 (in France). So Marx was not as
far off the mark as detractors would want you to believe. In fact, he
was pretty spot-on.

The title (not as some would have it The Communist Manifesto) is intended
as a joke by Marx. In fact, at the time, no such party existed. It is,
except for chapter 2, the analysis of the bourgeois capitalist revolution
which he sees as a stage in the proletarian revolution, a minor work
(inasmuch as it aimed a time and place) which was blown out of proportion
by later interpreters, perhaps because of its accessibility. It was
easier for detractors to address the text of the Manifesto than the text
of Capital, which is properly referenced, not a tract, and therefore
impossible to refute unless you want to say the reports of Parliament on
the condition of labourers are false.

>> By the time he published Capital,
>> he had largely put such notions aside.
>
> Few of which, from the Tipperary revolt to the Prague workers'
> uprising amounted to much so one can appreciate why.

You assume that failure of revolts was important to Marx. He viewed
history in terms of 300 year cycles. Individual events, although
personally disappointing, are not a significant drawback.

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of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

On Sun, 31 May 2009 10:12:24 -0500, Michel Boucher
> wrote:

> 12 hotdogs but 8 buns, what up wit' that?

Buy two packs of dogs, three of buns.

Dogs == buns.

Matthew
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"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Michel Boucher > wrote:
>
>> Has anyone got a reasonable explanation as to why you cannot buy 12 hot
>> dog
>> buns in a single pack?
>
> It's partly regional. Hot dogs here come in either 8 or 10. The 8 are
> called "bun busters", because they are much longer than a standard bun.
>
> But no, I don't know why the standard sizes are different.
>
>
That's not true... each manufacturer makes variously configured dogs and the
number in a package has not a whit to do with it. I buy Hebrew National at
Sams club in a pack of 25, I divide them into 4 zip-locs and freeze them
(naturally one gets nine), I also sometimes buy Nathan's in a pack of 50.
Buns are made in different configurations too and the number in a package
varies greatly. *There is no "standard" size hot dog or hot dog bun, never
was.* Nedick's used to make a bun that looked like sliced bread, those
style buns are still available... I occasionally buy them when I see them, I
think they're better because they can be toasted inside and out. Originally
all frankfurters were custom made by a sausage maker and all were stuffed
into natural casings, and none were packaged, they were tied into various
lengths with a string... every sausage maker made frankfurter configurations
to their own standards and none were ever exactly the same length/diameter
because of the natural casing and were gauged by eye. The packaged skinless
machine made dog is a relatively new inovation... I don't consider any such
type a good hot dog, some are passable. Real franfurters are still readily
available but they are expensive ($5-$8/lb) and have a rather short shelf
life because freezing ruins them. I like hot dogs, but I rarely eat them
with hot dog buns... I like to make a sandwich of two dogs between two
slices of good NY Jewish sourdough seeded rye with mustard and sometimes
kraut. I also like franks n' beans.... but with beans I prefer "specials"
(knockwurst). Anything but mustard and kraut on a dog is TIAD.

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
>
> It's not exactly rocket science to vary the number of buns in a package.
> It's not like they grow on trees in bunches of eight. It doesn't
> surprise me at all that different areas of the US, and Canada, might
> package buns differently.
>

Why should it matter anyway? Many times we have hot dogs with beans or
something else and no bun at all. If there is a mis-match, we use the odd
item later for another purpose. Hot dog buns can be used with eggs, sausage
sandwiches, and many other sandwich product. Or, let them get stale and make
bread crumbs.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in
:

> Nedick's used to make a bun that looked like sliced bread, those
> style buns are still available... I occasionally buy them when I see
> them, I think they're better because they can be toasted inside and
> out.

My mother would serve hot dogs on a slice of bread, lightly buttered then
fried in a frying pan and folded to hold the weiner and other stuff (fried
onions, grated cheese, mustard and relish). They were much better than
buns but I can't get anyone in this blended family unit to go along with
that, for some reason.

She swore the best dogs she ever ate besides her own were at a milk bar
along the highway at Repentigny, just outside Montréal.

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of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in
:

> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
>>
>> It's not exactly rocket science to vary the number of buns in a
>> package. It's not like they grow on trees in bunches of eight. It
>> doesn't surprise me at all that different areas of the US, and
>> Canada, might package buns differently.
>>
>
> Why should it matter anyway? Many times we have hot dogs with beans
> or something else and no bun at all. If there is a mis-match, we use
> the odd item later for another purpose. Hot dog buns can be used with
> eggs, sausage sandwiches, and many other sandwich product. Or, let
> them get stale and make bread crumbs.

I was of course looking for the intent behind the mismatch, not a litany of
possible outcomes. I can think of those outcomes on my own.

The question to ask is:

1. are bakers aware that hot dogs come in packages of six or twelve? and

2. are they intentionally shipping out buns in packages of eight, or is it
just a knee-jerk baker thing?

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of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> Michel Boucher wrote:
>
>> Mark A.Meggs > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...ogs-come-10-to
>> > -a-pack-while-buns-are-8-to-a-pack
>>
>> "Oscar Mayer says that of the 50,000 or so consumer letters they get each
>> year, only 10 or 15 complain about the hot dog/bun mismatch."
>>
>> This is pathetic...or they are lying.
>
>
> This being a free-market capitalist society, you can always buy *fewer*
> hotdogs or *more* buns...
>
> ;-P
>
> Or with the excess buns you could make tuna melts or something...
>
>
I don't know where these people live but I can always find a pack of dogs
and a pack of rolls that are the same count. Today dogs can be any number
in a pack, I often see seven in a pack - Hebrew National makes a 12 ounce 7
pack - but most dogs are 8 packs. I can always find buns in 8 packs too,
depends on brand. And what difference does it make, none... a loaf of
sliced bread can be any number of slices, and will just as often contain an
even number as an odd number... what do these bun morons do with the extra
odd slice... I guess they use it to wipe their butt and eat an open faced
sandwhich... what a bunch of pee holes, if all they have to worry about is
that their buns match their dogs then there is no way they possess an IQ.
In case anyone is truly interested hot dog bun packages are sold by
weight... many of the purveyers put 12 buns in a pack but they are lighter,
poofier, smaller buns, the cheap ******* shoppers scoff them up thinking
they are getting a bargain, but they weigh the same as an 8 pack of better
quality buns. I buy the Martin's brand potato bread rolls, as you can see
they are packaged in various convenient counts... cost a little more but
well worth it.

Most food stores in the New England area carry their products:
http://www.potatoroll.com/pages/products.asp#

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
>
> The question to ask is:
>
> 1. are bakers aware that hot dogs come in packages of six or twelve? and
>
> 2. are they intentionally shipping out buns in packages of eight, or is it
> just a knee-jerk baker thing?

Must be a regional thing. Hot dogs are mostly in 8 or 10 packs here; can't
remember ever seeing a 6 or 12. OTOH, you can buy them loose at the deli
counter and get exactly the number of dogs you want. In any case, I buy the
3# natural casing dogs bulk pack and either an 8 or 12 roll pack , depending
on our needs at the time.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in
:

> I don't know where these people live but I can always find a pack of
> dogs and a pack of rolls that are the same count.

Obviously anywhere but where you live :-)

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of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in
:

>> The question to ask is:
>>
>> 1. are bakers aware that hot dogs come in packages of six or twelve?
>> and
>>
>> 2. are they intentionally shipping out buns in packages of eight, or
>> is it just a knee-jerk baker thing?
>
> Must be a regional thing. Hot dogs are mostly in 8 or 10 packs here;
> can't remember ever seeing a 6 or 12.

Maybe it's ALWAYS a regional thing, no matter what it is...with the price
of oil threatening to top 200 any time now, there won't be anything BUT
regional. Globalization will be a thing of the past.

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Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

In article >,
Matthew Malthouse > wrote:

> On Sun, 31 May 2009 10:12:24 -0500, Michel Boucher
> > wrote:
>
> > 12 hotdogs but 8 buns, what up wit' that?
>
> Buy two packs of dogs, three of buns.
>
> Dogs == buns.

Nope. The buns go stale unless you freeze them, and I don't want to
take up my freezer space with hot dog buns. Buy one pack of each, and
make 4 double dogs, and 4 single dogs.

Kind of expensive, though, when you consider the air fare to Ottawa.

:-)

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Michel Boucher wrote:
>
>
>
> This being a free-market capitalist society, you can always buy *fewer*
> hotdogs or *more* buns...
>
> ;-P
>
> Or with the excess buns you could make tuna melts or something...
>
>


Hot dog rolls/buns, lightly toasted, are quite good for
tuna or lobster salads.

gloria p

"l, not -l" > wrote in
:

> All those considerations are a much more likely reasons than
> Wonder/Lewis/Sunbeam/etc. saying "hmmm, let's pack two fewer buns in
> our package than hotdogs Seitz/Oscar/WalMart/etc put in their package
> so we can sell a few more buns to the morons."

Are you sure? Because if that was the case, we would know this, but no one
has a reasonable explanation from the bakers themselves.

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of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes