"Jean B." > wrote:

> And her excuse: "I have
> children in the car!" I was thinking of the wonderful
> example she set for those children....

And going even farther away from the OP:

Our grocery chain has not only handicap parking spots (required by
law, of course), but about 8 spaces near the front of the store for
"Customers With Children".

Those spaces should be a free for all, IMO. It's discriminatory,
for one. OTOH, it's nice to have right at th thoroughfare to the
store so that kids can open up their cars doors and bolt right into
traffic before their parents can walk around to the other side of
thew store to grab their hands.

Second of all, my mother has children. What's to keep her from
parking there? They may be 40+ years old and live in other states,
but she is a customer with children.

Third: It's a waste of 8 perfectly prime parking spaces weekdays
from 8AM to 3PM.

And for some reason, even the parents with children don't park
there. Weird.

-sw

On Mar 29, 8:20*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote:
> > And her excuse: *"I have
> > children in the car!" *I was thinking of the wonderful
> > example she set for those children....
>
> And going even farther away from the OP:
>
> Our grocery chain has not only handicap parking spots (required by
> law, of course), but about 8 spaces near the front of the store for
> "Customers With Children". *
>
> Those spaces should be a free for all, IMO. *It's discriminatory,
> for one. *OTOH, it's nice to have right at th thoroughfare to the
> store so that kids can open up their cars doors and bolt right into
> traffic before their parents can walk around to the other side of
> thew store to grab their hands.
>
> Second of all, my mother has children. *What's to keep her from
> parking there? *They may be 40+ years old and live in other states,
> but she is a customer with children.
>
> Third: *It's a waste of 8 perfectly prime parking spaces weekdays
> from 8AM to 3PM.
>
> And for some reason, even the parents with children don't park
> there. *Weird.

Babies R Us always had spots near the door for expectant mothers.
That was nice. The children thing at the grocer is stupid.

Now that my wife reads this NG, I'm going to have to start behaving
better. Fat chance.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

In article
>,
Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:

> On Mar 29, 8:20*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> > "Jean B." > wrote:
> > > And her excuse: *"I have
> > > children in the car!" *I was thinking of the wonderful
> > > example she set for those children....
> >
> > And going even farther away from the OP:
> >
> > Our grocery chain has not only handicap parking spots (required by
> > law, of course), but about 8 spaces near the front of the store for
> > "Customers With Children". *
> >
> > Those spaces should be a free for all, IMO. *It's discriminatory,
> > for one. *OTOH, it's nice to have right at th thoroughfare to the
> > store so that kids can open up their cars doors and bolt right into
> > traffic before their parents can walk around to the other side of
> > thew store to grab their hands.
> >
> > Second of all, my mother has children. *What's to keep her from
> > parking there? *They may be 40+ years old and live in other states,
> > but she is a customer with children.
> >
> > Third: *It's a waste of 8 perfectly prime parking spaces weekdays
> > from 8AM to 3PM.
> >
> > And for some reason, even the parents with children don't park
> > there. *Weird.
>
> Babies R Us always had spots near the door for expectant mothers.
> That was nice. The children thing at the grocer is stupid.
>
> Now that my wife reads this NG, I'm going to have to start behaving
> better. Fat chance.

Why would an expectant mother need preferential parking? Most expectant
mothers I have known were perfectly capable of walking to a store from
any location in a parking lot and that includes a colleague of mine who
is due next month who walks a few blocks to her car at work every day
without a problem.

"Stan Horwitz" wrote

> Why would an expectant mother need preferential parking? Most expectant
> mothers I have known were perfectly capable of walking to a store from
> any location in a parking lot and that includes a colleague of mine who
> is due next month who walks a few blocks to her car at work every day
> without a problem.

If it's her first with no others in tow, it's not really needed. I do know
I needed them at the very end just before labor. Say, last 2 weeks? I
could walk of course, but not 'fast' and any distance became somewhat hard
to manage. Has to do with how the hips adjust in the later stages (so I was
told).

In article >,
"cshenk" > wrote:

> "Stan Horwitz" wrote
>
> > Why would an expectant mother need preferential parking? Most expectant
> > mothers I have known were perfectly capable of walking to a store from
> > any location in a parking lot and that includes a colleague of mine who
> > is due next month who walks a few blocks to her car at work every day
> > without a problem.
>
> If it's her first with no others in tow, it's not really needed. I do know
> I needed them at the very end just before labor. Say, last 2 weeks? I
> could walk of course, but not 'fast' and any distance became somewhat hard
> to manage. Has to do with how the hips adjust in the later stages (so I was
> told).

There are several factors. One is that the load is unbalanced. Another
is that you can't see your feet. That also means you can't see things
that you could trip over, like curbs or that toddler toy that your other
kid just dropped. Another, for many women, is that pregnancy is often
the time they are herding around one or more little kids. Also, it's
easier and safer to walk into the store. Walking out, you are often
carrying bags of groceries. Breaking your fall is harder then, plus the
jar of pickles may not survive the crash.

Most importantly, if it's a significant shopping trip, there's a lot of
walking inside the store, with no chance to get the weight off of legs
and feet.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

cshenk wrote:
> "Stan Horwitz" wrote
>
>> Why would an expectant mother need preferential parking? Most expectant
>> mothers I have known were perfectly capable of walking to a store from
>> any location in a parking lot and that includes a colleague of mine who
>> is due next month who walks a few blocks to her car at work every day
>> without a problem.
>
> If it's her first with no others in tow, it's not really needed. I do know
> I needed them at the very end just before labor. Say, last 2 weeks? I
> could walk of course, but not 'fast' and any distance became somewhat hard
> to manage. Has to do with how the hips adjust in the later stages (so I was
> told).

All of the joints "soften" during pregnancy, preparing to allow the
pelvic bones to separate to allow delivery. Pregnancy also puts a
greater strain on the cardiopulmonary system, and the enlarged and heavy
uterus compresses the vena cava, pelvic blood vessels and the urinary
bladder. It also inhibits effective breathing by limiting diaphragmatic
excursion. Feet and legs swell. The gait is a waddle. The body is off
balance. Walking can become very hard, indeed.

However, it is wonderful to hear from men who, based on their
observations, have determined that activity during pregnancy is no big
deal for "most expectant mothers." Keep up the good work, guys.

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> cshenk wrote:
>> "Stan Horwitz" wrote
>>
>>> Why would an expectant mother need preferential parking? Most expectant
>>> mothers I have known were perfectly capable of walking to a store from
>>> any location in a parking lot and that includes a colleague of mine who
>>> is due next month who walks a few blocks to her car at work every day
>>> without a problem.
>>
>> If it's her first with no others in tow, it's not really needed. I do
>> know I needed them at the very end just before labor. Say, last 2 weeks?
>> I could walk of course, but not 'fast' and any distance became somewhat
>> hard to manage. Has to do with how the hips adjust in the later stages
>> (so I was told).
>
> All of the joints "soften" during pregnancy, preparing to allow the pelvic
> bones to separate to allow delivery. Pregnancy also puts a greater strain
> on the cardiopulmonary system, and the enlarged and heavy uterus
> compresses the vena cava, pelvic blood vessels and the urinary bladder. It
> also inhibits effective breathing by limiting diaphragmatic excursion.
> Feet and legs swell. The gait is a waddle. The body is off balance.
> Walking can become very hard, indeed.
>
> However, it is wonderful to hear from men who, based on their
> observations, have determined that activity during pregnancy is no big
> deal for "most expectant mothers." Keep up the good work, guys.

Hey, as long as they can bring beer and satisfy a guy's sexual urges on
demand they can park wherever, even supply them an elecric golf cart. LOL

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:01:41 -0600, Pennyaline wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
>> "Stan Horwitz" wrote
>>
>>> Why would an expectant mother need preferential parking? Most expectant
>>> mothers I have known were perfectly capable of walking to a store from
>>> any location in a parking lot and that includes a colleague of mine who
>>> is due next month who walks a few blocks to her car at work every day
>>> without a problem.
>>
>> If it's her first with no others in tow, it's not really needed. I do know
>> I needed them at the very end just before labor. Say, last 2 weeks? I
>> could walk of course, but not 'fast' and any distance became somewhat hard
>> to manage. Has to do with how the hips adjust in the later stages (so I was
>> told).
>
> All of the joints "soften" during pregnancy, preparing to allow the
> pelvic bones to separate to allow delivery. Pregnancy also puts a
> greater strain on the cardiopulmonary system, and the enlarged and heavy
> uterus compresses the vena cava, pelvic blood vessels and the urinary
> bladder. It also inhibits effective breathing by limiting diaphragmatic
> excursion. Feet and legs swell. The gait is a waddle. The body is off
> balance. Walking can become very hard, indeed.
>
> However, it is wonderful to hear from men who, based on their
> observations, have determined that activity during pregnancy is no big
> deal for "most expectant mothers." Keep up the good work, guys.

yep. let them walk a mile with swollen feet in another's moccasins.

your pal,
blake

"Pennyaline" wrote
> cshenk wrote:
>> "Stan Horwitz" wrote
>>
>>> Why would an expectant mother need preferential parking? Most expectant
>>> mothers I have known were perfectly capable of walking to a store from

>> If it's her first with no others in tow, it's not really needed. I do
>> know I needed them at the very end just before labor. Say, last 2 weeks?
>> I

> All of the joints "soften" during pregnancy, preparing to allow the pelvic
> bones to separate to allow delivery. Pregnancy also puts a
(snips)

> However, it is wonderful to hear from men who, based on their
> observations, have determined that activity during pregnancy is no big
> deal for "most expectant mothers." Keep up the good work, guys.

Grin, they key in on the fact that 'walking is good' but miss a few aspects
of reality. Lets just say I appreciated those spots when I could find them,
in the last 2 weeks then again, for that first 6 after the C Section.

Stan Horwitz wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
>
>
>>On Mar 29, 8:20 pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
>>
>>>"Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>>And her excuse: "I have
>>>>children in the car!" I was thinking of the wonderful
>>>>example she set for those children....
>>>
>>>And going even farther away from the OP:
>>>
>>>Our grocery chain has not only handicap parking spots (required by
>>>law, of course), but about 8 spaces near the front of the store for
>>>"Customers With Children".
>>>
>>>Those spaces should be a free for all, IMO. It's discriminatory,
>>>for one. OTOH, it's nice to have right at th thoroughfare to the
>>>store so that kids can open up their cars doors and bolt right into
>>>traffic before their parents can walk around to the other side of
>>>thew store to grab their hands.
>>>
>>>Second of all, my mother has children. What's to keep her from
>>>parking there? They may be 40+ years old and live in other states,
>>>but she is a customer with children.
>>>
>>>Third: It's a waste of 8 perfectly prime parking spaces weekdays
>>>from 8AM to 3PM.
>>>
>>>And for some reason, even the parents with children don't park
>>>there. Weird.
>>
>>Babies R Us always had spots near the door for expectant mothers.
>>That was nice. The children thing at the grocer is stupid.
>>
>>Now that my wife reads this NG, I'm going to have to start behaving
>>better. Fat chance.
>
>
> Why would an expectant mother need preferential parking? Most expectant
> mothers I have known were perfectly capable of walking to a store from
> any location in a parking lot and that includes a colleague of mine who
> is due next month who walks a few blocks to her car at work every day
> without a problem.

And that's great. But not every pregnancy is easy. I had horrible
sciatica in the third trimester with both of my pregnancies. Walking
more than a few steps felt like having lightning run to ground through
my right leg. I mostly tried not to shop at all - my husband really
stepped up - but when I absolutely had to, I was incredibly grateful for
things like preferential parking, and the option of having the bagger at
the grocery store help me load my purchases into the van.

Given that it's only a very few reserved slots, I prefer to err on the
side of compassion.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:


> And that's great. But not every pregnancy is easy. I had horrible
> sciatica in the third trimester with both of my pregnancies. Walking
> more than a few steps felt like having lightning run to ground through
> my right leg. I mostly tried not to shop at all - my husband really
> stepped up - but when I absolutely had to, I was incredibly grateful for
> things like preferential parking, and the option of having the bagger at
> the grocery store help me load my purchases into the van.

That's why they have handicapped spots. Did you ask your doctor for a
handicapped placard?

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"Dan Abel" wrote
> In article >,
> Kathleen > wrote:

>> And that's great. But not every pregnancy is easy. I had horrible

> That's why they have handicapped spots. Did you ask your doctor for a
> handicapped placard?

They dont give them for pregnancy.

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> Kathleen > wrote:
>
>
>> And that's great. But not every pregnancy is easy. I had horrible
>> sciatica in the third trimester with both of my pregnancies. Walking
>> more than a few steps felt like having lightning run to ground through
>> my right leg. I mostly tried not to shop at all - my husband really
>> stepped up - but when I absolutely had to, I was incredibly grateful for
>> things like preferential parking, and the option of having the bagger at
>> the grocery store help me load my purchases into the van.
>
> That's why they have handicapped spots. Did you ask your doctor for a
> handicapped placard?

Pregnancy isn't a disability unless there's a medical condition during
or related to it that doesn't allow the pregnant woman to work.
Pregnancy is a generally obvious condition with generally obvious
effects, the most obvious of which is the significant growth of a second
person inside the body of the first. There are both advantages and
disadvantages to that, and it is usually during the third trimester that
the disadvantages become the most pressing. I've always believed that
widely held beliefs and mythologies about pregnancy and childbirth would
vanish instantly if men were also expected to carry pregnancies
uncomplainingly to term.

But seriously, Dan, you are either winding us up or the most unfeeling
person in the group.

In article
>,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article >,
> Kathleen > wrote:
>
>
> > And that's great. But not every pregnancy is easy. I had horrible
> > sciatica in the third trimester with both of my pregnancies. Walking
> > more than a few steps felt like having lightning run to ground through
> > my right leg. I mostly tried not to shop at all - my husband really
> > stepped up - but when I absolutely had to, I was incredibly grateful for
> > things like preferential parking, and the option of having the bagger at
> > the grocery store help me load my purchases into the van.
>
> That's why they have handicapped spots. Did you ask your doctor for a
> handicapped placard?

A good idea. Even better would be to have your groceries home
delivered, or at least use the pickup facility where they will load your
stuff into your car for you. No sweat.

Before I thought of getting a Handicap Parking sticker, I used to just
ask the checkout person to get one of their staff to wheel my shopping
cart to my car for me - they always cheerfully obliged, and loaded all
my stuff into the car.

BTW since I lived 50km from the supermarket home delivery was not an
option

david

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Kathleen >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>
>>And that's great. But not every pregnancy is easy. I had horrible
>>sciatica in the third trimester with both of my pregnancies. Walking
>>more than a few steps felt like having lightning run to ground through
>>my right leg. I mostly tried not to shop at all - my husband really
>>stepped up - but when I absolutely had to, I was incredibly grateful
>>for things like preferential parking, and the option of having the
>>bagger at the grocery store help me load my purchases into the van.
>>
>>Given that it's only a very few reserved slots, I prefer to err on the
>>side of compassion.
>
>
> There are stores with preferred parking in your area? Which stores are
> they? I think the handicapped spots should also be available to people
> like you who are having difficulty getting around. I have no problems
> with that at all. I *do* have a problem for preferred parking for just
> "people with children" etc. It's not right IMO.

Dierbergs and Schnucks both have parking reserved for... Shoot. Don't
remember the exact wording... Expectant and New Mothers?? Something
like that? These are in addition to the close in, extra wide official
handicapped parking slots.

And in contrast to the handicapped slots, I can't ever remember noticing
a mama slot being obviously abused.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

I have no problems
> > with that at all. I *do* have a problem for preferred parking for just
> > "people with children" etc. It's not right IMO

I wonder if you have ever had to try and hold tight to three
pre-schoolers, whilst pushing a shopping cart, holding on to your purse,
surounded by idiots who treat the parking lot like a F1 racetrack.


David

I just recalled that years ago the Navy Commissary in Norfolk and the
Army Commissary in Washington, D.C. had signs at the checkout lines that
gave head of the line privileges to handicapped & pregnant shoppers.

I never saw a pregnant shopper claim that privilege, nor did I.

On 02 Apr 2009 12:37:34 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>Kathleen > news:Kj9Al.204117$6r1.77913
: in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> Dierbergs and Schnucks both have parking reserved for... Shoot. Don't
>> remember the exact wording... Expectant and New Mothers?? Something
>> like that? These are in addition to the close in, extra wide official
>> handicapped parking slots.
>>
>> And in contrast to the handicapped slots, I can't ever remember
>noticing
>> a mama slot being obviously abused.
>
>Hmmm... I don't *think* the Dierbergs and Schnucks in my area has them.
>I'll have to take a look next time I'm at either store, which will
>probably be today. I need some food in the house because I've been gone
>the past day and a half. I don't even know why I feel strongly about
>this issue. I park at the back of the lot and walk anyway. I don't like
>all those shopping dingys on my car.
>
Hey, a car isn't properly broken in unless it got a ding on all four
doors within the first month!



--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Michael "Dog3"" wrote

> There are stores with preferred parking in your area? Which stores are
> they? I think the handicapped spots should also be available to people
> like you who are having difficulty getting around. I have no problems
> with that at all. I *do* have a problem for preferred parking for just
> "people with children" etc. It's not right IMO.

I dont mind the one for people with *toddlers* though 8 seemed a bit much.

Truely if you want non-sensical 'reserved parking' you need to go to a
commisary. The closest spots are often reserved for strictly rank. You go
it. The CO's wife etc. These spots are almost never used by the actual
military person (and the handicap ones should be closer, not the CO's).

Based on memory, Sasebo Japan. All of 12 slots total? 3 were reserved for
handicap access. 3 were for rank (Base CO, any ship CO, and Base CMC).
That was 50% of the parking lot. Now out back, was another lot but it was
for the exchange, Medical and Dental facility, and base over flow etc.
Normally full or very near it from 6:30am to about 4PM.

Smart folks who lived close enough just walked in and took a cab home.
Folks who lived farther out would drive in, park far away (1/2 mile or more)
and then take a cab back to their car with the groceries.

On 30 Mar 2009 18:45:16 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>I *do* have a problem for preferred parking for just
>"people with children" etc. It's not right IMO.

Geeze Michael. They have to wrestle with strollers the size of
Cadillacs and you have no *compassion* for them? <sniffle>

IMO: Children are the newest fashion accessory. I doubt they even
know what an umbrella stroller is anymore.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Mar 30, 6:34*am, Stan Horwitz > wrote:

> Why would an expectant mother need preferential parking? Most expectant
> mothers I have known were perfectly capable of walking to a store from
> any location in a parking lot and that includes a colleague of mine who
> is due next month who walks a few blocks to her car at work every day
> without a problem.

Those last few weeks you feel like you're off-balance, the kid is
sitting on your bladder, and for too many of us, there's swelling and
a host of other "discomforts" to put it mildly.

You're right, it's not always necessary, but when a mother-to-be is
having problems, it's a kindness.

maxine in ri
former mother-to-be, currently awaiting the last colleges' responses

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT), maxine wrote:

> On Mar 30, 6:34*am, Stan Horwitz > wrote:
>
>> Why would an expectant mother need preferential parking? Most expectant
>> mothers I have known were perfectly capable of walking to a store from
>> any location in a parking lot and that includes a colleague of mine who
>> is due next month who walks a few blocks to her car at work every day
>> without a problem.
>
> Those last few weeks you feel like you're off-balance, the kid is
> sitting on your bladder, and for too many of us, there's swelling and
> a host of other "discomforts" to put it mildly.
>
> You're right, it's not always necessary, but when a mother-to-be is
> having problems, it's a kindness.
>
> maxine in ri
> former mother-to-be, currently awaiting the last colleges' responses

wish your kids good luck, maxine.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:34:11 -0400 in rec.food.cooking, Stan Horwitz
> wrote,
>Why would an expectant mother need preferential parking? Most expectant
>mothers I have known were perfectly capable of walking to a store

They don't *need* it; it's a gimmick to get them to go to that store
instead of some other. It's no different than if you could arrange to
send a discount coupon to anyone who is not currently your customer but
is a good prospect. He doesn't *need* it. Where do you get the idea
that "need" has anything to do with it?

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:34:11 -0400, Stan Horwitz >
fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>Why would an expectant mother need preferential parking? Most expectant
>mothers I have known were perfectly capable of walking to a store from
>any location in a parking lot and that includes a colleague of mine who
>is due next month who walks a few blocks to her car at work every day
>without a problem.

I saw expectant mother parking slots yesterday, right in front of the
doors to Macy's. I'd never seen them before. And they were right in
front of the doors that open into the children's/babies' sections.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:48:34 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> Babies R Us always had spots near the door for expectant mothers.
> That was nice. The children thing at the grocer is stupid.
>
> Now that my wife reads this NG, I'm going to have to start behaving
> better. Fat chance.
>>

pussy.

blake

> Babies R Us always had spots near the door for expectant mothers.
> That was nice. *The children thing at the grocer is stupid.
>

Those "expectant mother" signs really irritate the hell out of me.
Exercise for pregnant women is desirable. Let them walk.

N.

"Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message
...
On Mar 29, 8:20 pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote:
> > And her excuse: "I have
> > children in the car!" I was thinking of the wonderful
> > example she set for those children....
>
> And going even farther away from the OP:
>
> Our grocery chain has not only handicap parking spots (required by
> law, of course), but about 8 spaces near the front of the store for
> "Customers With Children".
>
> Those spaces should be a free for all, IMO. It's discriminatory,
> for one. OTOH, it's nice to have right at th thoroughfare to the
> store so that kids can open up their cars doors and bolt right into
> traffic before their parents can walk around to the other side of
> thew store to grab their hands.
>
> Second of all, my mother has children. What's to keep her from
> parking there? They may be 40+ years old and live in other states,
> but she is a customer with children.
>
> Third: It's a waste of 8 perfectly prime parking spaces weekdays
> from 8AM to 3PM.
>
> And for some reason, even the parents with children don't park
> there. Weird.

Babies R Us always had spots near the door for expectant mothers.
That was nice. The children thing at the grocer is stupid.

I think the expectant mother spots are just wrong. My doctor always
told me to get lots of exercise and walking is the best for pregnant women.
Of course that was more than 40 years ago. Our store has one for parents
with small children and caregivers. It's farther away than the handicapped
spots. I have a handicap sticker, so can park there legally, but at lots of
stores there aren't enough. Oddly enough the worst place is our local
hospital. ..Sharon

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:16:10 -0400, "biig" > wrote:

>The children thing at the grocer is stupid.

Just bringing them to the grocer is stupid. I used to make play dates
so I could shop alone.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:16:10 -0400, "biig" > wrote:
>
>>The children thing at the grocer is stupid.

I didn't write that....my post started with "I think the parking spots
for expectant mothers is wrong"....Sharon
>
> Just bringing them to the grocer is stupid. I used to make play dates
> so I could shop alone.
>
>
> --
> I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
> interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
>
> Mae West

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>
> And going even farther away from the OP:
>
> Our grocery chain has not only handicap parking spots (required by
> law, of course), but about 8 spaces near the front of the store for
> "Customers With Children".

Sound OK to me. Those kids are tired from playing video games and a few
extra steps could incapacitate them.

Personally, I just ignore them and park in them as I see fit. My bad knees
outweigh the difficulty of walking with a toddler. My wife, OTOH, has a
handicapped permit and if the HC spots are filled, she still won't park in
the child spots.


>
> And for some reason, even the parents with children don't park
> there. Weird.

Most probably feel embarrased by them. Dumb idea.

Oh, we forgot to mention employee parking. I love it when the store
employees take the first few spots too. They are instructed not to in most
stores, but some park close anyway and tie up a spot for 8 hours and the
elderly have to walk further in the rain or cold. Just plain ignorance and
yes, I've complained. There is a bank branch in the supermarket and a bank
employee parked in one close to the door. Meantime, an old lady had to walk
much further. I told the manager and she sent the person out to move her
car.

On Mar 29, 9:24*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>
> > And going even farther away from the OP:
>
> > Our grocery chain has not only handicap parking spots (required by
> > law, of course), but about 8 spaces near the front of the store for
> > "Customers With Children".
>
> Sound OK to me. *Those kids are tired from playing video games and a few
> extra steps could incapacitate them.

My 7 YO sent out his first email today. I'm totally hip to him using
the computer, but NEVER to play video games. They are verboten.
>
> Personally, I just ignore them and park in them as I see fit. *My bad knees
> outweigh the difficulty of walking with a toddler. My wife, OTOH, has a
> handicapped permit and if the HC spots are filled, she still won't park in
> the child spots.
>
Silly girl. Those spots should be overflow disabled.
>
> > And for some reason, even the parents with children don't park
> > there. *Weird.
>
> Most probably feel embarrased by them. *Dumb idea.
>
> Oh, we forgot to mention employee parking. *I love it when the store
> employees take the first few spots too. *They are instructed not to in most
> stores, but some park close anyway and tie up a spot for 8 hours and the
> elderly have to walk further in the rain or cold. *Just plain ignorance and
> yes, I've complained. *There is a bank branch in the supermarket and a bank
> employee parked in one close to the door. Meantime, an old lady had to walk
> much further. * I told the manager and she sent the person out to move her
> car.

Good for you. If a few more citizens were proactive like that, things
would improve.

--Bryan

On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:32:53 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

> On Mar 29, 9:24*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>> Oh, we forgot to mention employee parking. *I love it when the store
>> employees take the first few spots too. *They are instructed not to in most
>> stores, but some park close anyway and tie up a spot for 8 hours and the
>> elderly have to walk further in the rain or cold. *Just plain ignorance and
>> yes, I've complained. *There is a bank branch in the supermarket and a bank
>> employee parked in one close to the door. Meantime, an old lady had to walk
>> much further. * I told the manager and she sent the person out to move her
>> car.
>
> Good for you. If a few more citizens were proactive like that, things
> would improve.
>
> --Bryan

that's right. america needs more people butting into other people's
business.

blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:32:53 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
>> On Mar 29, 9:24 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, we forgot to mention employee parking. I love it when the store
>>> employees take the first few spots too. They are instructed not to in most
>>> stores, but some park close anyway and tie up a spot for 8 hours and the
>>> elderly have to walk further in the rain or cold. Just plain ignorance and
>>> yes, I've complained. There is a bank branch in the supermarket and a bank
>>> employee parked in one close to the door. Meantime, an old lady had to walk
>>> much further. I told the manager and she sent the person out to move her
>>> car.
>> Good for you. If a few more citizens were proactive like that, things
>> would improve.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
> that's right. america needs more people butting into other people's
> business.
>
> blake

Depends, I rather like things being done on a sensible, minimalist one
to one basis rather than demanding that the government do everything for
everybody.

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:29:36 -0400, George wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:32:53 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 29, 9:24 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, we forgot to mention employee parking. I love it when the store
>>>> employees take the first few spots too. They are instructed not to in most
>>>> stores, but some park close anyway and tie up a spot for 8 hours and the
>>>> elderly have to walk further in the rain or cold. Just plain ignorance and
>>>> yes, I've complained. There is a bank branch in the supermarket and a bank
>>>> employee parked in one close to the door. Meantime, an old lady had to walk
>>>> much further. I told the manager and she sent the person out to move her
>>>> car.
>>> Good for you. If a few more citizens were proactive like that, things
>>> would improve.
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>
>> that's right. america needs more people butting into other people's
>> business.
>>
>> blake
>
> Depends, I rather like things being done on a sensible, minimalist one
> to one basis rather than demanding that the government do everything for
> everybody.

who the **** has suggested the government police where employees park?

your pal,
blake

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
> > And her excuse: "I have
> > children in the car!" I was thinking of the wonderful
> > example she set for those children....
>
> And going even farther away from the OP:
>
> Our grocery chain has not only handicap parking spots (required by
> law, of course), but about 8 spaces near the front of the store for
> "Customers With Children".
>
> Those spaces should be a free for all, IMO. It's discriminatory,
> for one. OTOH, it's nice to have right at th thoroughfare to the
> store so that kids can open up their cars doors and bolt right into
> traffic before their parents can walk around to the other side of
> thew store to grab their hands.
>
> Second of all, my mother has children. What's to keep her from
> parking there? They may be 40+ years old and live in other states,
> but she is a customer with children.
>
> Third: It's a waste of 8 perfectly prime parking spaces weekdays
> from 8AM to 3PM.

Are you thinking about kids in school? If they are old enough to go to
school, aren't they old enough to walk a little distance to the store?
I've done that dance in the parking lot with a baby in the stroller and
another kid not old enough to know any better. It's a challenge.
Having a parking spot closer to the store would have helped. When my
kids got older, I parked in the back of the parking lot. You should
have heard the whines!

> And for some reason, even the parents with children don't park
> there. Weird.

Does your mother park there? Maybe parents with older children are
smart enough to figure out that they don't need those spots, but smart
enough to remember just a few years back when they did, and so they
leave those spots for those who really need them.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"Dan Abel" wrote

>> Our grocery chain has not only handicap parking spots (required by
>> law, of course), but about 8 spaces near the front of the store for
>> "Customers With Children".

>> Third: It's a waste of 8 perfectly prime parking spaces weekdays
>> from 8AM to 3PM.

My comment to his origional: This would be the prime time when a lady with
toddlers would probably need them.

> Are you thinking about kids in school? If they are old enough to go to
> school, aren't they old enough to walk a little distance to the store?

Yes, he may have been thinking that?

> I've done that dance in the parking lot with a baby in the stroller and
> another kid not old enough to know any better. It's a challenge.
> Having a parking spot closer to the store would have helped. When my

Definately. This is one of those understood, 'those with kids in strollers
or of an age apt to run out in traffic'. It's just safer if they have some
slots right where the entrance is, not across the street. 8 of them may be
a bit much though.

> Maybe parents with older children are
> smart enough to figure out that they don't need those spots, but smart
> enough to remember just a few years back when they did, and so they
> leave those spots for those who really need them.

Same here. They have a few such near where I am at some stores. I don't
park in them now that Charlotte is older but when she was up to age 6, I
used them if they had them positioned so I didnt have to walk her across a
traffic way to get in the store.

Steve wrote:

> Our grocery chain has not only handicap parking spots (required by
> law, of course), but about 8 spaces near the front of the store for
> "Customers With Children".
>
> Those spaces should be a free for all, IMO.

So park there. Do you really think a store would enforce that policy to the
point of towing their customers' vehicles?

Bob

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:00:03 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Steve wrote:
>
>> Our grocery chain has not only handicap parking spots (required by
>> law, of course), but about 8 spaces near the front of the store for
>> "Customers With Children".
>>
>> Those spaces should be a free for all, IMO.
>
> So park there. Do you really think a store would enforce that policy to the
> point of towing their customers' vehicles?
>
> Bob

i think someone upthread mentioned that parking in a marked handicapped
space is a violation of the law, kind of a different thing. (i don't know
that *providing* them is mandated - could be.)

i guess the store would have to think about how many customers were ****ed
versus pleased at the policy.

your pal,
blake

On Mon 30 Mar 2009 08:19:43a, blake murphy told us...

> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:00:03 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>>> Our grocery chain has not only handicap parking spots (required by
>>> law, of course), but about 8 spaces near the front of the store for
>>> "Customers With Children".
>>>
>>> Those spaces should be a free for all, IMO.
>>
>> So park there. Do you really think a store would enforce that policy to
>> the point of towing their customers' vehicles?
>>
>> Bob
>
> i think someone upthread mentioned that parking in a marked handicapped
> space is a violation of the law, kind of a different thing. (i don't
> know that *providing* them is mandated - could be.)
>
> i guess the store would have to think about how many customers were
> ****ed versus pleased at the policy.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

Some of our stores have designated parking for handicapped, those with
children, and pregnant women. What irks me is that in most cases the
handicapped spaces are the farther away than the other two. Somehow that
doesn't seem right. I will freely park in those marked for those with
children.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> Some of our stores have designated parking for handicapped, those with
> children, and pregnant women. What irks me is that in most cases the
> handicapped spaces are the farther away than the other two. Somehow
> that
> doesn't seem right. I will freely park in those marked for those with
> children.
>

May you be reincarnated in your next life as a pregnant Mom with three
other children (or more), who doesn't know how to drive a car (or can't
drive a car for any reason) and who therefore has to catch a bus (with
all your children in tow) to shop at your nearest supermarket. And may
other shoppers call your bunch of 'little angels' a nuisance (or
worse).
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy