Goomba wrote:
> Tracy wrote:
>
>> Easy. An icemaker in my freezer.
>> It's not a matter of money - we rent right now and we are currently
>> looking to buy sometime next summer.
>> If what we buy does not have a fridge with an icemaker, I am buying one.
>>
>>
>> -Tracy
>
> Ice makers are a MUST, IMO. I can manage to open the door to get the ice
> out. I didn't need nor want one that feeds through the door, especially
> after reading Consumer Reports say that a majority of problems arise
> there. The ones in the door steal so much room from storage space too.

Maybe when I was 10 the idea of ice in the door sounded cool, but these
days not so much. Just a simple icemaker in the freezer with a nice
little bin to catch the cubes is all I want. ;-)

-Tracy

Tracy wrote:
>
> Goomba wrote:
> > Tracy wrote:
> >
> >> Easy. An icemaker in my freezer.
> >> It's not a matter of money - we rent right now and we are currently
> >> looking to buy sometime next summer.
> >> If what we buy does not have a fridge with an icemaker, I am buying one.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Tracy
> >
> > Ice makers are a MUST, IMO. I can manage to open the door to get the ice
> > out. I didn't need nor want one that feeds through the door, especially
> > after reading Consumer Reports say that a majority of problems arise
> > there. The ones in the door steal so much room from storage space too.
>
> Maybe when I was 10 the idea of ice in the door sounded cool, but these
> days not so much. Just a simple icemaker in the freezer with a nice
> little bin to catch the cubes is all I want. ;-)
>
> -Tracy

The door dispenser is an efficiency thing. When you need a small amount
of ice for a drink, opening the door to get it lets a lot of cold air
out and warm air in.

Pete wrote on Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:37:19 -0600:


> Tracy wrote:
>>
>> Goomba wrote:
> >> Tracy wrote:
> >>
> >>> Easy. An icemaker in my freezer.
> >>> It's not a matter of money - we rent right now and we are
> >>> currently looking to buy sometime next summer. If what we
> >>> buy does not have a fridge with an icemaker, I am buying
> >>> one.
> >>>
> >>> -Tracy
> >>
> >> Ice makers are a MUST, IMO. I can manage to open the door
> >> to get the ice out. I didn't need nor want one that feeds
> >> through the door, especially after reading Consumer Reports
> >> say that a majority of problems arise there. The ones in
> >> the door steal so much room from storage space too.
>>
>> Maybe when I was 10 the idea of ice in the door sounded cool,
>> but these days not so much. Just a simple icemaker in the
>> freezer with a nice little bin to catch the cubes is all I
>> want. ;-)
>>
>The door dispenser is an efficiency thing. When you need a small amount
>of ice for a drink, opening the door to get it lets a lot of cold air
>out and warm air in.

All very true but just how much money do you think you will save in a
month?

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"Tracy" > wrote :

> Easy. An icemaker in my freezer.
> It's not a matter of money - we rent right now and we are currently
> looking to buy sometime next summer.
> If what we buy does not have a fridge with an icemaker, I am buying one.
>
They're not much more expensive than fridges without them, that's for sure.
They all have the "crushed" option now too, pretty neat.

On Dec 5, 11:34 am, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Tracy" > wrote :
>
> > Easy. An icemaker in my freezer.
> > It's not a matter of money - we rent right now and we are currently
> > looking to buy sometime next summer.
> > If what we buy does not have a fridge with an icemaker, I am buying one.
>
> They're not much more expensive than fridges without them, that's for sure.
> They all have the "crushed" option now too, pretty neat.

In an older home, the major expense is running the water line/plumbing
to make it work. That was an expense I was unwilling to pay - ice
cubes in my freezer generally evaporate before use.

N.

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> Tracy > : in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> ... an item for your kitchen that you have been wanting for ages, but
>>> still don't have (assuming money was no object) what would it be? i.e.
>>> anything from pots/pans, utensils, ranges, ovens and other appliances
>>> (both big and small) etc.
>>>
>>> If there is more than one thing that you have been 'lusting after' for
>>> ever, give us a list ;-)
>>>
>>> I know what I would buy... a dishwasher.
>>>
>>> I am also considering a rice cooker, after hearing many good things
>>> about them here...
>> Easy. An icemaker in my freezer.
>> It's not a matter of money - we rent right now and we are currently
>> looking to buy sometime next summer.
>> If what we buy does not have a fridge with an icemaker, I am buying
> one.
>
> Ohhh... We went for years without an ice maker. We bought a new fridge
> with an ice maker and water dispenser during the remodel. I will say this
> now that I have one. I'll never do without an ice maker. Ever again. I
> seldom use the water dispenser. Now that I know what I know, I'd have
> bought a completely different refrigerator/freezer if I had to do it all
> over again. Think it through carefully before the purchase.
>
> Michael
>

I only want ice. I don't need one on the door - just inside the freezer
will do nicely.
;-)

Tracy

Michael "Dog3" said...

> We bought a new fridge
> with an ice maker and water dispenser during the remodel. I will say this
> now that I have one. I'll never do without an ice maker.


If my water supply wasn't so over-chlorinated I'd use the icemaker. As it is,
the cubes would ruin the flavor of any drinks.

Andy

Andy wrote:
>
> Michael "Dog3" said...
>
> > We bought a new fridge
> > with an ice maker and water dispenser during the remodel. I will say this
> > now that I have one. I'll never do without an ice maker.
>
> If my water supply wasn't so over-chlorinated I'd use the icemaker. As it is,
> the cubes would ruin the flavor of any drinks.
>
> Andy

Get an RO filter and feed the ice maker from that supply. Only $150 or
so and an afternoon of installation.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
ster.com...
>
> Andy wrote:
>>
>> Michael "Dog3" said...
>>
>> > We bought a new fridge
>> > with an ice maker and water dispenser during the remodel. I will say
>> > this
>> > now that I have one. I'll never do without an ice maker.
>>
>> If my water supply wasn't so over-chlorinated I'd use the icemaker. As it
>> is,
>> the cubes would ruin the flavor of any drinks.
>>
>> Andy
>
> Get an RO filter and feed the ice maker from that supply. Only $150 or
> so and an afternoon of installation.

Does anyone have any idea of what happens to the water line that runs to the
ice dispenser in the freezer if you have hard water?

Cheryl wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ster.com...
> >
> > Andy wrote:
> >>
> >> Michael "Dog3" said...
> >>
> >> > We bought a new fridge
> >> > with an ice maker and water dispenser during the remodel. I will say
> >> > this
> >> > now that I have one. I'll never do without an ice maker.
> >>
> >> If my water supply wasn't so over-chlorinated I'd use the icemaker. As it
> >> is,
> >> the cubes would ruin the flavor of any drinks.
> >>
> >> Andy
> >
> > Get an RO filter and feed the ice maker from that supply. Only $150 or
> > so and an afternoon of installation.
>
> Does anyone have any idea of what happens to the water line that runs to the
> ice dispenser in the freezer if you have hard water?

The total flow is pretty low so I wouldn't expect much to happen. The
PEX lines don't seen very prone to mineral buildup either and are
non-reactive. If you're really concerned feed the refrigerator from an
RO filter system.

Cheryl wrote:
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ster.com...
>>
>> Andy wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael "Dog3" said...
>>>
>>> > We bought a new fridge
>>> > with an ice maker and water dispenser during the remodel. I will
>>> say > this
>>> > now that I have one. I'll never do without an ice maker.
>>>
>>> If my water supply wasn't so over-chlorinated I'd use the icemaker.
>>> As it is,
>>> the cubes would ruin the flavor of any drinks.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> Get an RO filter and feed the ice maker from that supply. Only $150 or
>> so and an afternoon of installation.
>
> Does anyone have any idea of what happens to the water line that runs to
> the ice dispenser in the freezer if you have hard water?
>
If it is calcium hardness the line will eventually start to clog up. I'm
having that trouble with the water lines in the kitchen due to high
calcium hardness in the city water here. Only option is to put in a
water softener so I'm looking at all options now. The water lines are in
the slab so it makes it an expensive proposition to run new ones through
the attic and then down the walls.

Andy wrote:

> If my water supply wasn't so over-chlorinated I'd use the icemaker. As it
is,
> the cubes would ruin the flavor of any drinks.


Just let those ice pubes sit for awhiles in your sippy cup filled with Hi -
C, Andy...


--
Best
Greg

Andy wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" said...
>
>> We bought a new fridge
>> with an ice maker and water dispenser during the remodel. I will say this
>> now that I have one. I'll never do without an ice maker.
>
>
> If my water supply wasn't so over-chlorinated I'd use the icemaker. As it is,
> the cubes would ruin the flavor of any drinks.
>
> Andy
I installed a GE inline filter on my icemaker for that very reason,
works like a charm.

George Shirley said...

> Andy wrote:
>> Michael "Dog3" said...
>>
>>> We bought a new fridge
>>> with an ice maker and water dispenser during the remodel. I will say
>>> this now that I have one. I'll never do without an ice maker.
>>
>>
>> If my water supply wasn't so over-chlorinated I'd use the icemaker. As
>> it is, the cubes would ruin the flavor of any drinks.
>>
>> Andy
> I installed a GE inline filter on my icemaker for that very reason,
> works like a charm.


I'd rather filter the entire water system from the meter, so tap water
could be used for drinking, cooking, etc., not only ice. It would have to
come with a 25 or 30 gallon reservoir like a hot water heater so it
wouldn't reduce water pressure to a crawl while flushing, showering, wash
rinse cycles, etc.

Andy

Andy wrote:
>
> George Shirley said...
>
> > Andy wrote:
> >> Michael "Dog3" said...
> >>
> >>> We bought a new fridge
> >>> with an ice maker and water dispenser during the remodel. I will say
> >>> this now that I have one. I'll never do without an ice maker.
> >>
> >>
> >> If my water supply wasn't so over-chlorinated I'd use the icemaker. As
> >> it is, the cubes would ruin the flavor of any drinks.
> >>
> >> Andy
> > I installed a GE inline filter on my icemaker for that very reason,
> > works like a charm.
>
> I'd rather filter the entire water system from the meter, so tap water
> could be used for drinking, cooking, etc., not only ice. It would have to
> come with a 25 or 30 gallon reservoir like a hot water heater so it
> wouldn't reduce water pressure to a crawl while flushing, showering, wash
> rinse cycles, etc.
>
> Andy

Then you just need a regular whole house filter sump with a carbon
cartridge. They're cheap and will remove chlorine well. A RO unit used
carbon pre-filters since chlorine damages the RO membrane.

Andy wrote:
> George Shirley said...
>
>> Andy wrote:
>>> Michael "Dog3" said...
>>>
>>>> We bought a new fridge
>>>> with an ice maker and water dispenser during the remodel. I will say
>>>> this now that I have one. I'll never do without an ice maker.
>>>
>>> If my water supply wasn't so over-chlorinated I'd use the icemaker. As
>>> it is, the cubes would ruin the flavor of any drinks.
>>>
>>> Andy
>> I installed a GE inline filter on my icemaker for that very reason,
>> works like a charm.
>
>
> I'd rather filter the entire water system from the meter, so tap water
> could be used for drinking, cooking, etc., not only ice. It would have to
> come with a 25 or 30 gallon reservoir like a hot water heater so it
> wouldn't reduce water pressure to a crawl while flushing, showering, wash
> rinse cycles, etc.
>
> Andy
I have no problem drinking the tap water here, no chlorine or iron smell
and I get a printout of the lab results covering everything from A to Z
every six months. It's basically chlorinated well water here in our
small city.

"Andy" > wrote in message
>
> I'd rather filter the entire water system from the meter, so tap water
> could be used for drinking, cooking, etc., not only ice. It would have to
> come with a 25 or 30 gallon reservoir like a hot water heater so it
> wouldn't reduce water pressure to a crawl while flushing, showering, wash
> rinse cycles, etc.
>
> Andy

I have a "whole house" filter for sediment that does the entire house and a
charcoal filter for the kitchen. No flow reduction to speak of.

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
> Ohhh... We went for years without an ice maker. We bought a new fridge
> with an ice maker and water dispenser during the remodel. I will say this
> now that I have one. I'll never do without an ice maker. Ever again. I
> seldom use the water dispenser. Now that I know what I know, I'd have
> bought a completely different refrigerator/freezer if I had to do it all
> over again. Think it through carefully before the purchase.
>


Color me curious,Michael. What would you do differently?

I love our ice maker, the first we've ever had. Ice cube trays
are so messy (because I'm a klutz.) I love having lots of ice
so I can pack it around a kettle of soup, spaghetti sauce, chili, etc,
in the sink to cool it down quickly. That also does a good job clearing
out the stale ice.

I want a bottom freezer fridge, I think, because although I'm short,
I hate having to get on my knees to find stuff at the back of the
lower shelves. I often stand up too quickly and bang my head on the
freezer handle. Hurts like h#ll.

I'm thinking seriously of a kitchen makeover in the new year and
would love to hear other people's experiences.

gloria p

On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:34:42 -0700, Gloria P >
wrote:

>I want a bottom freezer fridge, I think, because although I'm short,
>I hate having to get on my knees to find stuff at the back of the
>lower shelves. I often stand up too quickly and bang my head on the
>freezer handle. Hurts like h#ll.

That is why I went with a single door freezer and a single door
refrigerator!! Never loved anything better in the kitchen!!

http://i33.tinypic.com/vqn0g0.jpg

Gloria wrote:

> I love our ice maker, the first we've ever had. Ice cube trays
> are so messy (because I'm a klutz.) I love having lots of ice
> so I can pack it around a kettle of soup, spaghetti sauce, chili, etc, in
> the sink to cool it down quickly. That also does a good job clearing out
> the stale ice.

You didn't throw your ice cube trays away, did you? They're still handy for
freezing stock or other liquids.

Bob

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
> Ohhh... We went for years without an ice maker. We bought a new fridge
> with an ice maker and water dispenser during the remodel. I will say this
> now that I have one. I'll never do without an ice maker. Ever again. I
> seldom use the water dispenser. Now that I know what I know, I'd have
> bought a completely different refrigerator/freezer if I had to do it all
> over again. Think it through carefully before the purchase.
>


Color me curious,Michael. What would you do differently?

I love our ice maker, the first we've ever had. Ice cube trays
are so messy (because I'm a klutz.) I love having lots of ice
so I can pack it around a kettle of soup, spaghetti sauce, chili, etc,
in the sink to cool it down quickly. That also does a good job clearing
out the stale ice.

I want a bottom freezer fridge, I think, because although I'm short,
I hate having to get on my knees to find stuff at the back of the
lower shelves. I often stand up too quickly and bang my head on the
freezer handle. Hurts like h#ll.

I'm thinking seriously of a kitchen makeover in the new year and
would love to hear other people's experiences.

gloria p

On Dec 5, 8:28�am, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> ... an item for your kitchen that you have been wanting for ages, but
> still don't have (assuming money was no object) what would it be? i.e.
> anything from pots/pans, utensils, ranges, ovens and other appliances
> (both big and small) etc.
>
> If there is more than one thing that you have been 'lusting after' for
> ever, give us a list ;-)
>
> I know what I would buy... a dishwasher.

You don't have a dishwasher... get one pronto. I lived without using
a dishwasher for most of my life until finally I got a new one and
began using it, now I wouldn't be without it. Make sure to get one
with the stainless steel interior. I got the Maytag Jetclean Plus,
works great.

> I am also considering a rice cooker, after hearing many good things
> about them here...

I bet you can cook rice in a dishwasher. LOL I really don't see the
point in a rice cooker unless one has trouble boiling water and/or has
a lust for extraneous gadgetry.... what's the mattter with how
99.999pct of the rice eating world cooks rice, a pot on the stovetop.

Me, I'm waiting for my POS Coozinart coffeemaker to die so I can
justify getting a new one. I'll never buy any coozinart product
again, they engineer the most poorly thought out products... their
engineers must come from the same pool as the US auto makers... there
isn't a US auto made that's worth more than its scrap metal value...
their CEOs are a joke... anyone lissen to those double speak con
artist huckster imbeciles... they ain't qualfied to run a lemonade
stand. The only salvation for the redundant big three is to let them
go under and reorganize as one (1) company with all top management
Japanese.

Sheldon wrote:

>
> Me, I'm waiting for my POS Coozinart coffeemaker to die so I can
> justify getting a new one. I'll never buy any coozinart product
> again, they engineer the most poorly thought out products... their
> engineers must come from the same pool as the US auto makers... there
> isn't a US auto made that's worth more than its scrap metal value...
> their CEOs are a joke... anyone lissen to those double speak con
> artist huckster imbeciles... they ain't qualfied to run a lemonade
> stand. The only salvation for the redundant big three is to let them
> go under and reorganize as one (1) company with all top management
> Japanese.
>

I am waiting on a coffee maker to die too. It's a Braun and I've had it
for something like 15 years.

It still works - the coffee isn't quite as hot as I think it should be
though. My mind may be playing tricks and I am just looking for an
excuse to replace it.

What coffee makers are you looking at for replacement?

-Tracy

Tracy > wrote in :

> Sheldon wrote:
>
>>
>> Me, I'm waiting for my POS Coozinart coffeemaker to die so I can
>> justify getting a new one. I'll never buy any coozinart product
>> again, they engineer the most poorly thought out products... their
>> engineers must come from the same pool as the US auto makers... there
>> isn't a US auto made that's worth more than its scrap metal value...
>> their CEOs are a joke... anyone lissen to those double speak con
>> artist huckster imbeciles... they ain't qualfied to run a lemonade
>> stand. The only salvation for the redundant big three is to let them
>> go under and reorganize as one (1) company with all top management
>> Japanese.
>>
>
> I am waiting on a coffee maker to die too. It's a Braun and I've had
it
> for something like 15 years.
>
> It still works - the coffee isn't quite as hot as I think it should be
> though. My mind may be playing tricks and I am just looking for an
> excuse to replace it.
>
> What coffee makers are you looking at for replacement?


I have "Max". He is 'Magnifica'!!


Model EAM3500.


He just had a knee reconstruction, a heart transplant, his kidneys
flushed and his liver slapped around. At the moment, he's makin' me
*damn* good coffee.

But I am thinking of a replacement :-)


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

I was having dinner with my boss and his wife and she said to me, "How

many potatoes would you like Peter?". I said "Ooh, I'll just have one

please". She said "It's OK, you don't have to be polite" "Alright" I

said "I'll just have one then, you stupid cow".

On Dec 5, 9:29�am, Tracy > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> > Me, I'm waiting for my POS Coozinart coffeemaker to die so I can
> > justify getting a new one. � I'll never buy any coozinart product
> > again, they engineer the most poorly thought out products... their
> > engineers must come from the same pool as the US auto makers... there
> > isn't a US auto made that's worth more than its scrap metal value...
> > their CEOs are a joke... anyone lissen to those double speak con
> > artist huckster imbeciles... they ain't qualfied to run a lemonade
> > stand. �The only salvation for the redundant big three is to let them
> > go under and reorganize as one (1) company with all top management
> > Japanese.
>
> I am waiting on a coffee maker to die too. It's a Braun and I've had it
> for something like 15 years.
>
> It still works - the coffee isn't quite as hot as I think it should be
> though. My mind may be playing tricks and I am just looking for an
> excuse to replace it.

My Coozinart works fine, makes good coffee, my complaint is about ease
of use. It doesn't have a water level gauge that's easily visible, I
have to look down inside the small opening where the water is poured
(in the back, so it needs to be pulled way to the edge of the counter
to fill), and unless you're over 6' 6" you need to stand on a stool in
order to see down inside to see the graduations when the unit is on a
normal height countertop. And the coffee basket doesn't swing out,
it's a plastic cone insert that can be removed but won't stand on
it's own, I place it in a 2 cup pyrex measure in order to pour in the
grounds... if the grounds are poured while the cone is in the unit
they go all over and down ito the water tank. The plastic cone is
also very difficlt to remove, especially with hot grounds, it sits
flush with only a teensy thin plastic finger loop for yanking it out,
already the loop on the original snapped off, they did send a new one,
but still, it's a really doumb design. In fact if they tried to
design a more difficult to use coffeemaker they couldn't... it's
probably not a good idea to order a coffeemaker off the net.

> What coffee makers are you looking at for replacement?

I looked at more costly units (KitchenAid Pro, Bunn) but my last
coffeemaker was a Krups and I loved its ease of use, made great
coffee, and it lasted 15 years. So I'm thinking of this one:
http://www.chefscatalog.com/product/...fee-Maker.aspx

Sheldon wrote:
>
>
> You don't have a dishwasher... get one pronto. I lived without using
> a dishwasher for most of my life until finally I got a new one and
> began using it, now I wouldn't be without it. Make sure to get one
> with the stainless steel interior. I got the Maytag Jetclean Plus,
> works great.

Dunno if we can get Maytag in RSA (never looked for it per se) but I
have seen other brands here that some of my friends have that work
well.

Thing is, I was gonna treat myself to one *last* Christmas, but Dad has
taken it upon himself to become 'Dishwasher-in-Chief' around here. If I
do them he actually takes offense; he says, "It gives me something to
do at 5am, and I like doing them anyway." You guessed it, he's an early
riser.

Consequently I've taken a DW off of my 'wish list' until I can talk him
into it. I suppose he could become "Chief-Dishwasher-Loader/Unloader'.
Think he'll go for it? <g>

BTW, took me over 6 months to convince him that my washing machine can
get his clothes just as clean as he can...
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

ChattyCathy wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>>
>>
>> You don't have a dishwasher... get one pronto. I lived without using
>> a dishwasher for most of my life until finally I got a new one and
>> began using it, now I wouldn't be without it. Make sure to get one
>> with the stainless steel interior. I got the Maytag Jetclean Plus,
>> works great.
>
> Dunno if we can get Maytag in RSA (never looked for it per se) but I
> have seen other brands here that some of my friends have that work
> well.
>
> Thing is, I was gonna treat myself to one *last* Christmas, but Dad
> has taken it upon himself to become 'Dishwasher-in-Chief' around
> here. If I do them he actually takes offense; he says, "It gives me
> something to do at 5am, and I like doing them anyway." You guessed
> it, he's an early riser.
>
> Consequently I've taken a DW off of my 'wish list' until I can talk
> him into it. I suppose he could become
> "Chief-Dishwasher-Loader/Unloader'. Think he'll go for it? <g>
>
> BTW, took me over 6 months to convince him that my washing machine can
> get his clothes just as clean as he can...
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy

I wouldn't have another Maytag appliance.
Janet

ChattyCathy > wrote in news:U1b_k.14372
:


>
> Consequently I've taken a DW off of my 'wish list' until I can talk
him
> into it. I suppose he could become "Chief-Dishwasher-Loader/Unloader'.
> Think he'll go for it? <g>


Dunno.......... sounds like he might be doing them to make him feel like
it's 'his job', or even to just be a 'worthwhile contributing member of
the tribe'.

My SO would wash the dishes...... even though we had a bloody
operational dishwasher!!!

Once I wrestled the dirty dishes out of her soapy hands, and showed her
the delights of electronic washing........ she thought that spending an
extra 60mins with me wasn't sooooo bad!!!

After a couple of years, the DW died.

SO said "No sweat, I'll go back to washing them again."

Quite a few dinner parties, and quite a few parties later, she came up
with that loving look in her eyes, hugged me, and said (whilst smiling)
through clenched teeth, "When are you going to buy another
dishwasher???" :-)


My plan worked!!!! ;-)


I *HATE* washing dishes.



>
> BTW, took me over 6 months to convince him that my washing machine can
> get his clothes just as clean as he can...


It takes a little while........

"It doesn't happen overnight, but it *will* happen" :-)



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

I was having dinner with my boss and his wife and she said to me, "How

many potatoes would you like Peter?". I said "Ooh, I'll just have one

please". She said "It's OK, you don't have to be polite" "Alright" I

said "I'll just have one then, you stupid cow".

Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
> The message >
> from PeterL > contains these words:
>
> > I *HATE* washing dishes.
>
> I *HATE* dishwashers. I had one (came with house) and was happy when
> it died. It did a perfect job, but I hate the noise, and the faffing
> of loading and emptying, and the way what you want to use is either
> lying in there dirty or in the middle of a cycle. I can wash up by hand
> just as well and one hell of a lot faster.
>
> I even hate other peoples dishwashers, don't get me started on that,
> Well, all right. I hate it when I can smell (or see) on their plates
> and glassware that their dishwasher filter is filthy or they ran out of
> rinse aid. When they say "oh, just put it in the machine " (followed by
> "no, not there.. that's where the cat dish fits ) I hate when they open
> the machine the smell of ancient decayed food particles wafts out as
> they take out the mugs for our coffee.. I hate it even more when
> dishwasher owners are mean to guests with the clean plates cutlery
> glasses or saucers ("oh, lets just use the same one again."..because
> there are none clean and they only run it once a day. Or worse. " Living
> on my own I just use it to store dirty dishes and only need to run it
> once a week" ugh.
>
> Rant over now.
>
> Janet

I guess you folks in the UK don't know how to maintain appliances, or
perhaps have other plumbing problems, as I have not ever experienced a
single one of the issues you noted with dishwashers here in the US.

On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:42:00 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>I guess you folks in the UK don't know how to maintain appliances, or
>perhaps have other plumbing problems, as I have not ever experienced a
>single one of the issues you noted with dishwashers here in the US.

I love mine so much I had two installed...one on each side of the
sink!!

Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
> The message .com>
> from "Pete C." > contains these words:
>
> > Janet Baraclough wrote:
> > >
> > > The message >
> > > from PeterL > contains these words:
> > >
> > > > I *HATE* washing dishes.
> > >
> > > I *HATE* dishwashers. I had one (came with house) and was happy when
> > > it died. It did a perfect job, but I hate the noise, and the faffing
> > > of loading and emptying, and the way what you want to use is either
> > > lying in there dirty or in the middle of a cycle. I can wash up by hand
> > > just as well and one hell of a lot faster.
> > >
> > > I even hate other peoples dishwashers, don't get me started on that,
> > > Well, all right. I hate it when I can smell (or see) on their plates
> > > and glassware that their dishwasher filter is filthy or they ran out of
> > > rinse aid. When they say "oh, just put it in the machine " (followed by
> > > "no, not there.. that's where the cat dish fits ) I hate when they open
> > > the machine the smell of ancient decayed food particles wafts out as
> > > they take out the mugs for our coffee.. I hate it even more when
> > > dishwasher owners are mean to guests with the clean plates cutlery
> > > glasses or saucers ("oh, lets just use the same one again."..because
> > > there are none clean and they only run it once a day. Or worse. " Living
> > > on my own I just use it to store dirty dishes and only need to run it
> > > once a week" ugh.
> > >
> > > Rant over now.
> > >
> > > Janet
>
> > I guess you folks in the UK don't know how to maintain appliances, or
> > perhaps have other plumbing problems, as I have not ever experienced a
> > single one of the issues you noted with dishwashers here in the US.
>
> Keep reading the thread, you'll see Americans mentioning every issue.
> I guess that means you're very inexperienced :-)
>
> Janet

I've used dishwashers for years. I smelled mine a short while ago and it
didn't smell like anything, not even dishwasher detergent.

Janet Baraclough wrote:

>> I *HATE* washing dishes.
>
> I *HATE* dishwashers. I had one (came with house) and was happy when
> it died. It did a perfect job, but I hate the noise, and the faffing
> of loading and emptying, and the way what you want to use is either
> lying in there dirty or in the middle of a cycle. I can wash up by hand
> just as well and one hell of a lot faster.



I would not go so far as to emphasize that I hate dishwashers, but I
don't find them particularly useful. I don't think that it is much more
work to wash dishes by hand than it is to load a dishwasher and then
have to unload it. With just two of us here and a 8 settings of dishes
we can easily go 2-3 days without having to run the dishwasher... to do
the dishes. Meanwhile, we have to wash the pots and pans. By the time
you wash the pots from a meal it is only another minute or so to do the
plates, glasses and cutlery. When I am doing the cleanup I usually just
wash everything by hand and its done. I don't think that a dishwasher
saves me any time or work at all.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
> >> I *HATE* washing dishes.
> >
> > I *HATE* dishwashers. I had one (came with house) and was happy when
> > it died. It did a perfect job, but I hate the noise, and the faffing
> > of loading and emptying, and the way what you want to use is either
> > lying in there dirty or in the middle of a cycle. I can wash up by hand
> > just as well and one hell of a lot faster.
>
> I would not go so far as to emphasize that I hate dishwashers, but I
> don't find them particularly useful. I don't think that it is much more
> work to wash dishes by hand than it is to load a dishwasher and then
> have to unload it. With just two of us here and a 8 settings of dishes
> we can easily go 2-3 days without having to run the dishwasher... to do
> the dishes. Meanwhile, we have to wash the pots and pans. By the time
> you wash the pots from a meal it is only another minute or so to do the
> plates, glasses and cutlery. When I am doing the cleanup I usually just
> wash everything by hand and its done. I don't think that a dishwasher
> saves me any time or work at all.

Most of us with dishwashers wash pots, pans, mixing bowls, etc. in them,
not just "dishes". Dishwashers also use less water and clean better and
at a higher temperature than hand washing.

Dave Smith wrote:

> I would not go so far as to emphasize that I hate dishwashers, but I
> don't find them particularly useful. I don't think that it is much more
> work to wash dishes by hand than it is to load a dishwasher and then
> have to unload it. With just two of us here and a 8 settings of dishes
> we can easily go 2-3 days without having to run the dishwasher... to do
> the dishes. Meanwhile, we have to wash the pots and pans. By the time
> you wash the pots from a meal it is only another minute or so to do the
> plates, glasses and cutlery. When I am doing the cleanup I usually just
> wash everything by hand and its done. I don't think that a dishwasher
> saves me any time or work at all.

I put my pots and pans in the dishwasher. It fills up I run it. It sures
saves looking at dirty dishes undone as well as looking at draining
dishes in some rack. My kitchen looks neater even while I'm busy
cooking. I only handwash those things truly necessary to be done-knives,
crystal and the like. My dishwasher works hard for me and I love it.

"Janet Baraclough" > wrote in message
> I even hate other peoples dishwashers, don't get me started on that,
> Well, all right. I hate it when I can smell (or see) on their plates
> and glassware that their dishwasher filter is filthy or they ran out of
> rinse aid. When they say "oh, just put it in the machine " (followed by
> "no, not there.. that's where the cat dish fits ) I hate when they open
> the machine the smell of ancient decayed food particles wafts out as
> they take out the mugs for our coffee.. I hate it even more when
> dishwasher owners are mean to guests with the clean plates cutlery
> glasses or saucers ("oh, lets just use the same one again."..because
> there are none clean and they only run it once a day. Or worse. " Living
> on my own I just use it to store dirty dishes and only need to run it
> once a week" ugh.
>
> Rant over now.
>
> Janet

You need new friends and/or better appliances. My dishes come out sparkling
clean and there is never an odor. Glassware especially looks fantastic with
no spots at all. We also have plenty of plates and whatever else is needed
for a good meal. Sounds like you hang out with a cheap crowd. Maybe take
paper plates on your next visit.

On Fri 05 Dec 2008 10:09:32p, Ed Pawlowski told us...

>
> "Janet Baraclough" > wrote in message
>> I even hate other peoples dishwashers, don't get me started on that,
>> Well, all right. I hate it when I can smell (or see) on their plates
>> and glassware that their dishwasher filter is filthy or they ran out
>> of rinse aid. When they say "oh, just put it in the machine " (followed
>> by "no, not there.. that's where the cat dish fits ) I hate when they
>> open the machine the smell of ancient decayed food particles wafts
>> out as they take out the mugs for our coffee.. I hate it even more
>> when dishwasher owners are mean to guests with the clean plates cutlery
>> glasses or saucers ("oh, lets just use the same one again."..because
>> there are none clean and they only run it once a day. Or worse. "
>> Living on my own I just use it to store dirty dishes and only need to
>> run it once a week" ugh.
>>
>> Rant over now.
>>
>> Janet
>
> You need new friends and/or better appliances. My dishes come out
> sparkling clean and there is never an odor. Glassware especially looks
> fantastic with no spots at all. We also have plenty of plates and
> whatever else is needed for a good meal. Sounds like you hang out with
> a cheap crowd. Maybe take paper plates on your next visit.

As do ours. I have lived with many dishwashers over the years, and have
never had a problem with the quality of cleaning or sanitation. We run at
least one load, sometimes two, a day. Key to cleanliness, spotlessness,
and sanitation is adequately hot water, the proper detergent, a good rinse
agent, and in our present situatiion, a product that neutralizes mineral
content. I doubt I could ever come close to these results if washed by
hand. The only thing I sometimes "prep" for the dishwasher are stainless
steel pots that show a minor stain. A quick swish with stainless steel
cleaner prior to dishwashering takes care of that.

I probably would cook far less if I had the chore of handwashing looming
ahead of me after every meal.

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Wayne Boatwright
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"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 8:28?am, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> ... an item for your kitchen that you have been wanting for ages, but
> still don't have (assuming money was no object) what would it be? i.e.
> anything from pots/pans, utensils, ranges, ovens and other appliances
> (both big and small) etc.
>
> If there is more than one thing that you have been 'lusting after' for
> ever, give us a list ;-)
>
> I know what I would buy... a dishwasher.

>> You don't have a dishwasher... get one pronto. I lived without using
>.>a dishwasher for most of my life until finally I got a new one and
>> began using it, now I wouldn't be without it.

Ditto here. Every time we have a holiday dinner here, I listen to 2 family
members WSRN bitch and whine about what a PITA a dishwasher is. Doofuses!

> I am also considering a rice cooker, after hearing many good things
> about them here...

<snip>

>>Me, I'm waiting for my POS Coozinart coffeemaker to die so I can
>>justify getting a new one. I'll never buy any coozinart product
>>again, they engineer the most poorly thought out products... their
>>engineers must come from the same pool as the US auto makers
<snip>

Well I certainly agree about their food processor! Feh. But I love my
Cuisinart coffeemaker. It shuts off after brewing and the carafe keeps the
coffee piping hot for hours and hours and hours. No more "cooked" coffee.

TammM

"TammyM" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> Well I certainly agree about their food processor! Feh. But I love my >
> Cuisinart coffeemaker. It shuts off after brewing and the carafe keeps
> the > coffee piping hot for hours and hours and hours. > TammM

Hmmm, I have a Cuisinaryt food processor that is going on 30 years old and
still works fine... can't imagine the problem. I had a different brand
before and it was a dweeb.

"Giusi" > wrote in message
...
> "TammyM" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> Well I certainly agree about their food processor! Feh. But I love my >
>> Cuisinart coffeemaker. It shuts off after brewing and the carafe keeps
>> the > coffee piping hot for hours and hours and hours. > TammM
>
> Hmmm, I have a Cuisinaryt food processor that is going on 30 years old and
> still works fine... can't imagine the problem. I had a different brand
> before and it was a dweeb.

This one is only about 7 years old or so. The plastic locking safety
thingie busted off of the lid and the motor won't run without it. Although
Wicked Dan Abel suggested that there might be a work-around for it. I'm
going to try to get Cuisinart to send me a new lid.

TammyM

"TammyM" ha scritto nel messaggio
> "Giusi" wrote in message This one is only about 7 years old or so. The
> plastic locking safety > thingie busted off of the lid and the motor won't
> run without it. Although > Wicked Dan Abel suggested that there might be
> a work-around for it. I'm going to try to get Cuisinart to send me a new
> lid.
>
> TammyM

I've bought lots of spares over the years of plastic parts. I also didn't
want to have to wash it between two functions in the same cooking stint.