Every Thanksgiving my vets sees a rash of cases of pancreatitis among
dogs. Owners with only the best intentions allow the dog to share in
the feast by allowing Fido to gorge on a pile of fatty turkey scraps,
possible doused in gravy (still more fat).

The pancreas attempts to cope with the overload by releasing a surge of
digestive enzymes, causing the pancreas to become inflamed. Symptoms
are abdominal pain, lack of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, fever, a
crouched, hunched up posture, dehydration, and in the later stages,
irregular heart beat, sepsis, and if left untreated, death.

A few bites of lean meat won't do your dog any harm, but make sure any
guest you may have know not to feed scraps to the dog, and make sure
leftovers meant to be discarded are bagged up and taken to an outside
trash container with a dog-proof lid. A trip to the emergency clinic
will take a lot of the fun out the long weekend.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> Every Thanksgiving my vets sees a rash of cases of pancreatitis among
> dogs. Owners with only the best intentions allow the dog to share in
> the feast by allowing Fido to gorge on a pile of fatty turkey scraps,
> possible doused in gravy (still more fat).
>
> The pancreas attempts to cope with the overload by releasing a surge of
> digestive enzymes, causing the pancreas to become inflamed. Symptoms
> are abdominal pain, lack of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, fever, a
> crouched, hunched up posture, dehydration, and in the later stages,
> irregular heart beat, sepsis, and if left untreated, death.
>
> A few bites of lean meat won't do your dog any harm, but make sure any
> guest you may have know not to feed scraps to the dog, and make sure
> leftovers meant to be discarded are bagged up and taken to an outside
> trash container with a dog-proof lid. A trip to the emergency clinic
> will take a lot of the fun out the long weekend.

But chickens do just fine with it. ;-)

Best garbage disposals on the planet. I wish I still had a few!
--
Peace! Om

"All People and things are interdependent. The world has become so small that no nation can solve its problems alone, in isolation from others. That is why I believe we must all cultivate a sense of responsibility based on love and compassion for each other." -- Dalai Lama

Thanks for the Head's Up. Im one who has "sinned" by giving my dogs a
"special" TG dinner...but this year I wont.

They dont know it's a "holiday", all they know is they get a big dish of
fatty goodies....which I didnt know could actually make them sick.

Maybe a little turkey...and a spoon of gravy on the kibbles, nothing
more.

Thanks
Lass

"Kathleen" > wrote in message
...
> Every Thanksgiving my vets sees a rash of cases of pancreatitis among
> dogs. Owners with only the best intentions allow the dog to share in the
> feast by allowing Fido to gorge on a pile of fatty turkey scraps, possible
> doused in gravy (still more fat).
>
> The pancreas attempts to cope with the overload by releasing a surge of
> digestive enzymes, causing the pancreas to become inflamed.

People doctors also see a rise in gall bladder attacks after Thanksgiving
too.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> The pancreas attempts to cope with the overload by releasing a surge of
>> digestive enzymes, causing the pancreas to become inflamed.
>
> People doctors also see a rise in gall bladder attacks after Thanksgiving
> too.

More often from alcohol intake though.

Kathleen wrote:
> Every Thanksgiving my vets sees a rash of cases of pancreatitis among
> dogs. Owners with only the best intentions allow the dog to share in
> the feast by allowing Fido to gorge on a pile of fatty turkey scraps,
> possible doused in gravy (still more fat).
>
> The pancreas attempts to cope with the overload by releasing a surge of
> digestive enzymes, causing the pancreas to become inflamed. Symptoms
> are abdominal pain, lack of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, fever, a
> crouched, hunched up posture, dehydration, and in the later stages,
> irregular heart beat, sepsis, and if left untreated, death.
>
> A few bites of lean meat won't do your dog any harm, but make sure any
> guest you may have know not to feed scraps to the dog, and make sure
> leftovers meant to be discarded are bagged up and taken to an outside
> trash container with a dog-proof lid. A trip to the emergency clinic
> will take a lot of the fun out the long weekend.
>


Canines in my house do not get turkey anymore. They haven't had it since
the time my wife gave our two dogs some leftovers before we went out.
What a stinking mess we returned to. The kitchen light was one and
looking into the kitchen through a glass panel on the door I saw that
our bone coloured ceramic tile floor was brown. I don't mean brown pile
or a few brown spots. It was brown. I don't know which dog did it, or
whether they both contributed to the mess, but almost the entire floor
was covered. thank goodness we had put up the baby gates to keep them in
the kitchen. Ceramic tile is easy to clean, though it took a strong
stomach to cope with the smell. Thank goodness it didn't happen on the
carpets.

Kathleen wrote:
> Every Thanksgiving my vets sees a rash of cases of pancreatitis among
> dogs. Owners with only the best intentions allow the dog to share in
> the feast by allowing Fido to gorge on a pile of fatty turkey scraps,
> possible doused in gravy (still more fat).
>
> The pancreas attempts to cope with the overload by releasing a surge
> of digestive enzymes, causing the pancreas to become inflamed. Symptoms
> are abdominal pain, lack of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea,
> fever, a crouched, hunched up posture, dehydration, and in the later
> stages, irregular heart beat, sepsis, and if left untreated, death.
>
> A few bites of lean meat won't do your dog any harm, but make sure any
> guest you may have know not to feed scraps to the dog, and make sure
> leftovers meant to be discarded are bagged up and taken to an outside
> trash container with a dog-proof lid. A trip to the emergency clinic
> will take a lot of the fun out the long weekend.

Or better yet put the left-overs in the freezer and dole them out in small
bits to your dog as training treats over weeks. Waste not, want not.

"Janet" wrote:
> Kathleen wrote:
> > Every Thanksgiving my vets sees a rash of cases of pancreatitis among
> > dogs. �Owners with only the best intentions allow the dog to share in
> > the feast by allowing Fido to gorge on a pile of fatty turkey scraps,
> > possible doused in gravy (still more fat).
>
> > The pancreas attempts to cope with the overload by releasing a surge
> > of digestive enzymes, causing the pancreas to become inflamed. Symptoms
> > are abdominal pain, lack of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea,
> > fever, a crouched, hunched up posture, dehydration, and in the later
> > stages, irregular heart beat, sepsis, and if left untreated, death.
>
> > A few bites of lean meat won't do your dog any harm, but make sure any
> > guest you may have know not to feed scraps to the dog, and make sure
> > leftovers meant to be discarded are bagged up and taken to an outside
> > trash container with a dog-proof lid. �A trip to the emergency clinic
> > will take a lot of the fun out the long weekend.
>
> Or better yet put the left-overs in the freezer and dole them out in small
> bits to your dog as training treats over weeks. Waste not, want not.


Don't feed pets parts you yourself wouldn't eat. And animals are not
immune to poisoning from tainted food, make sure they're not fed food
that was left out of the fridge. And dogs and cats are not to be fed
onions or garlic or raisins... they're toxic.... be sure what is being
fed... no exotic seasonings, no excessively fatty parts like poultry
skin, adn no bones ever.. I feed my cats cooked beef, pork, poultry,
and vegetables along with their regular pet food... but I give them
the best of the choicest parts, not any scraps, they eat before me and
better than me... never a problem. If I couldn't afford to eat the
best they still would. There is no harm with giving cats and dogs
people food as a *suppliment* to their regular food.

Sheldon wrote:
> "Janet" wrote:
>> Kathleen wrote:
>>> Every Thanksgiving my vets sees a rash of cases of pancreatitis
>>> among dogs. ?Owners with only the best intentions allow the dog to
>>> share in the feast by allowing Fido to gorge on a pile of fatty
>>> turkey scraps, possible doused in gravy (still more fat).
>>
>>> The pancreas attempts to cope with the overload by releasing a surge
>>> of digestive enzymes, causing the pancreas to become inflamed.
>>> Symptoms are abdominal pain, lack of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea,
>>> fever, a crouched, hunched up posture, dehydration, and in the later
>>> stages, irregular heart beat, sepsis, and if left untreated, death.
>>
>>> A few bites of lean meat won't do your dog any harm, but make sure
>>> any guest you may have know not to feed scraps to the dog, and make
>>> sure leftovers meant to be discarded are bagged up and taken to an
>>> outside trash container with a dog-proof lid. ?A trip to the
>>> emergency clinic will take a lot of the fun out the long weekend.
>>
>> Or better yet put the left-overs in the freezer and dole them out in
>> small bits to your dog as training treats over weeks. Waste not,
>> want not.
>
>
> Don't feed pets parts you yourself wouldn't eat. And animals are not
> immune to poisoning from tainted food, make sure they're not fed food
> that was left out of the fridge. And dogs and cats are not to be fed
> onions or garlic or raisins... they're toxic.... be sure what is being
> fed... no exotic seasonings, no excessively fatty parts like poultry
> skin, adn no bones ever.. I feed my cats cooked beef, pork, poultry,
> and vegetables along with their regular pet food... but I give them
> the best of the choicest parts, not any scraps, they eat before me and
> better than me... never a problem. If I couldn't afford to eat the
> best they still would. There is no harm with giving cats and dogs
> people food as a *suppliment* to their regular food.

I was talking about leftover meat and meat trimmings properly stored, not
about rotten, unrefridgerated food. There is no harm in giving dogs and cats
cooked poultry skin in reasonable quantities. They need a certain amount of
fat in their diet. There is also no harm in giving them cooked giblets
(which *I* wouldn't eat). Lots of people go to great lengths to feed their
dogs on the RAW diet, which includes raw turkey and chicken necks, which
most of us would not eat but dogs love. (And apparently the necks are good
for their teeth.)

Janet wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
>>"Janet" wrote:
>>
>>>Kathleen wrote:
>>>
>>>>Every Thanksgiving my vets sees a rash of cases of pancreatitis
>>>>among dogs. ?Owners with only the best intentions allow the dog to
>>>>share in the feast by allowing Fido to gorge on a pile of fatty
>>>>turkey scraps, possible doused in gravy (still more fat).
>>>
>>>>The pancreas attempts to cope with the overload by releasing a surge
>>>>of digestive enzymes, causing the pancreas to become inflamed.
>>>>Symptoms are abdominal pain, lack of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea,
>>>>fever, a crouched, hunched up posture, dehydration, and in the later
>>>>stages, irregular heart beat, sepsis, and if left untreated, death.
>>>
>>>>A few bites of lean meat won't do your dog any harm, but make sure
>>>>any guest you may have know not to feed scraps to the dog, and make
>>>>sure leftovers meant to be discarded are bagged up and taken to an
>>>>outside trash container with a dog-proof lid. ?A trip to the
>>>>emergency clinic will take a lot of the fun out the long weekend.
>>>
>>>Or better yet put the left-overs in the freezer and dole them out in
>>>small bits to your dog as training treats over weeks. Waste not,
>>>want not.
>>
>>
>>Don't feed pets parts you yourself wouldn't eat. And animals are not
>>immune to poisoning from tainted food, make sure they're not fed food
>>that was left out of the fridge. And dogs and cats are not to be fed
>>onions or garlic or raisins... they're toxic.... be sure what is being
>>fed... no exotic seasonings, no excessively fatty parts like poultry
>>skin, adn no bones ever.. I feed my cats cooked beef, pork, poultry,
>>and vegetables along with their regular pet food... but I give them
>>the best of the choicest parts, not any scraps, they eat before me and
>>better than me... never a problem. If I couldn't afford to eat the
>>best they still would. There is no harm with giving cats and dogs
>>people food as a *suppliment* to their regular food.
>
>
> I was talking about leftover meat and meat trimmings properly stored, not
> about rotten, unrefridgerated food. There is no harm in giving dogs and cats
> cooked poultry skin in reasonable quantities. They need a certain amount of
> fat in their diet. There is also no harm in giving them cooked giblets
> (which *I* wouldn't eat). Lots of people go to great lengths to feed their
> dogs on the RAW diet, which includes raw turkey and chicken necks, which
> most of us would not eat but dogs love. (And apparently the necks are good
> for their teeth.)

I give my dogs raw, frozen turkey necks (minus the skin) as an
occasional treat, and as you mentioned to help clean their teeth. It
works by a combination of abrasion, scraping the tartar off, and enzyme
action.

But I have to sit there and grip the things with a wash cloth to force
the dogs to gnaw on them. I started using the washcloth after the time
I lost my grip and Zane yanked the frozen neck out of my hand and
swallowed it *whole*.

I freaked out, called the vet, asked if I should try to make him vomit.
She said no, just keep a close eye on him for the next few days,
including following him outside to make sure he wasn't straining or
passing blood.

He was fine. And evidently the thing was entirely digested. I was
expecting to see bones or bone fragments, but nothing like that ever
appeared. It took about a week for me to believe that we'd dodged that
particular bullet.

But an acquaintance of mine was not so lucky. Her puppy grabbed a raw
chicken wing and swallowed it whole. It punctured his stomach and he
nearly died of the resulting peritonitis. He survived but has ongoing
GI issues from the adhesions and scarring.

With regards to the whole BARF diet (Bones And Raw Food), it takes a lot
of know how to create a balanced diet and it's not uncommon for
exclusively raw-fed dogs to develop serious health issues as a result.

In article >,
says...
> Every Thanksgiving my vets sees a rash of cases of pancreatitis among
> dogs. Owners with only the best intentions allow the dog to share in
> the feast by allowing Fido to gorge on a pile of fatty turkey scraps,
> possible doused in gravy (still more fat).
>
> The pancreas attempts to cope with the overload by releasing a surge of
> digestive enzymes, causing the pancreas to become inflamed. Symptoms
> are abdominal pain, lack of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, fever, a
> crouched, hunched up posture, dehydration, and in the later stages,
> irregular heart beat, sepsis, and if left untreated, death.
>
> A few bites of lean meat won't do your dog any harm, but make sure any
> guest you may have know not to feed scraps to the dog, and make sure
> leftovers meant to be discarded are bagged up and taken to an outside
> trash container with a dog-proof lid. A trip to the emergency clinic
> will take a lot of the fun out the long weekend.
>
>

Pancreatitis from fatty turkey? I would think liver problems would crop
up since the pancrease is mostly responsible for insulin production in
mammals.

The liver on the other hand produces bile, among it's other purposes is
emulsifying fats.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> But I have to sit there and grip the things with a wash cloth to force
> the dogs to gnaw on them. I started using the washcloth after the time
> I lost my grip and Zane yanked the frozen neck out of my hand and
> swallowed it *whole*.

I saw a Labrador swallow a whole, skinned and unfortunately shallowly
buried rattlesnake whose business end had been shot off. The dog dug it
up. The dog's owner noticed while the tail end was being gulped, grabbed
the disappearing stub of the snake and ripped the whole snake from the
dogs throat. The mutt hunched over like he was taking a poop. I think he
would have been fine if left to digest the snake. The dog didn't suffer
any visible trauma and died many years later.

leo

"Kathleen" > wrote in message
...
> Every Thanksgiving my vets sees a rash of cases of pancreatitis among
> dogs. Owners with only the best intentions allow the dog to share in the
> feast by allowing Fido to gorge on a pile of fatty turkey scraps, possible
> doused in gravy (still more fat).
>
> The pancreas attempts to cope with the overload by releasing a surge of
> digestive enzymes, causing the pancreas to become inflamed. Symptoms are
> abdominal pain, lack of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, fever, a crouched,
> hunched up posture, dehydration, and in the later stages, irregular heart
> beat, sepsis, and if left untreated, death.
>
> A few bites of lean meat won't do your dog any harm, but make sure any
> guest you may have know not to feed scraps to the dog, and make sure
> leftovers meant to be discarded are bagged up and taken to an outside
> trash container with a dog-proof lid. A trip to the emergency clinic will
> take a lot of the fun out the long weekend.

I have a Pembroke Welsh Corgi, and he is terrible on anything but dog food.
I will give him an occasional LEAN meat scrap, but I learned the expensive
way about dogs and pancreatitis.

Steve

In article > ,
T > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > Every Thanksgiving my vets sees a rash of cases of pancreatitis among
> > dogs. Owners with only the best intentions allow the dog to share in
> > the feast by allowing Fido to gorge on a pile of fatty turkey scraps,
> > possible doused in gravy (still more fat).

> Pancreatitis from fatty turkey? I would think liver problems would crop
> up since the pancrease is mostly responsible for insulin production in
> mammals.

The pancreas performs two very different functions, digestive enzymes to
the digestive system and hormones to the blood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancreas

Insulin is certainly important (although I get mine at the pharmacy) but
not the only function.

> The liver on the other hand produces bile, among it's other purposes is
> emulsifying fats.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >,
> Kathleen > wrote:
>
>> But I have to sit there and grip the things with a wash cloth to force
>> the dogs to gnaw on them. I started using the washcloth after the time
>> I lost my grip and Zane yanked the frozen neck out of my hand and
>> swallowed it *whole*.
>
> I saw a Labrador swallow a whole, skinned and unfortunately shallowly
> buried rattlesnake whose business end had been shot off. The dog dug it
> up. The dog's owner noticed while the tail end was being gulped, grabbed
> the disappearing stub of the snake and ripped the whole snake from the
> dogs throat. The mutt hunched over like he was taking a poop. I think he
> would have been fine if left to digest the snake. The dog didn't suffer
> any visible trauma and died many years later.
>

Slow acting poison ?

:-)

Kathleen wrote:
> I give my dogs raw, frozen turkey necks (minus the skin) as an
> occasional treat, and as you mentioned to help clean their teeth. It
> works by a combination of abrasion, scraping the tartar off, and
> enzyme action.
>
> But I have to sit there and grip the things with a wash cloth to force
> the dogs to gnaw on them. I started using the washcloth after the
> time I lost my grip and Zane yanked the frozen neck out of my hand and
> swallowed it *whole*.
>
> I freaked out, called the vet, asked if I should try to make him
> vomit. She said no, just keep a close eye on him for the next few
> days, including following him outside to make sure he wasn't straining
> or passing blood.
>
> He was fine. And evidently the thing was entirely digested. I was
> expecting to see bones or bone fragments, but nothing like that ever
> appeared. It took about a week for me to believe that we'd dodged
> that particular bullet.
>
> But an acquaintance of mine was not so lucky. Her puppy grabbed a raw
> chicken wing and swallowed it whole. It punctured his stomach and he
> nearly died of the resulting peritonitis. He survived but has ongoing
> GI issues from the adhesions and scarring.
>
> With regards to the whole BARF diet (Bones And Raw Food), it takes a
> lot of know how to create a balanced diet and it's not uncommon for
> exclusively raw-fed dogs to develop serious health issues as a result.

My cats eat fairly healthy, I feed them Nurture Heavenly Harvest
Holistic Cat Food. They enjoy it, but if they can catch a mouse, they
eat everything but the head. Yick!

Becca

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:34:43 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Kathleen > wrote:
>>
>>> But I have to sit there and grip the things with a wash cloth to force
>>> the dogs to gnaw on them. I started using the washcloth after the
>>> time I lost my grip and Zane yanked the frozen neck out of my hand and
>>> swallowed it *whole*.
>>
>> I saw a Labrador swallow a whole, skinned and unfortunately shallowly
>> buried rattlesnake whose business end had been shot off. The dog dug it
>> up. The dog's owner noticed while the tail end was being gulped,
>> grabbed the disappearing stub of the snake and ripped the whole snake
>> from the dogs throat. The mutt hunched over like he was taking a poop.
>> I think he would have been fine if left to digest the snake. The dog
>> didn't suffer any visible trauma and died many years later.
>>
>>
> Slow acting poison ?

If the "business end" was shot off, I can't see what the problem would be?
I'm not aware of any venomous snake meat that is in any way toxic (aside
from the head, obviously). Their vertebrae would digest very easily.

Jeßus wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:34:43 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>
>>Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> Kathleen > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>But I have to sit there and grip the things with a wash cloth to force
>>>>the dogs to gnaw on them. I started using the washcloth after the
>>>>time I lost my grip and Zane yanked the frozen neck out of my hand and
>>>>swallowed it *whole*.
>>>
>>>I saw a Labrador swallow a whole, skinned and unfortunately shallowly
>>>buried rattlesnake whose business end had been shot off. The dog dug it
>>>up. The dog's owner noticed while the tail end was being gulped,
>>>grabbed the disappearing stub of the snake and ripped the whole snake
>>>from the dogs throat. The mutt hunched over like he was taking a poop.
>>>I think he would have been fine if left to digest the snake. The dog
>>>didn't suffer any visible trauma and died many years later.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Slow acting poison ?
>
>
> If the "business end" was shot off, I can't see what the problem would be?
> I'm not aware of any venomous snake meat that is in any way toxic (aside
> from the head, obviously). Their vertebrae would digest very easily.
>

Well, right. And presumably the thing was headed down the gullet, if
not head first, then at least front end first with the scales flat and
smooth. Ripping it back out, against the grain of the scales, sounds
pretty freakin' uncomfortable to me. No wonder the poor dog was
crouching, hunched over afterwards.

Labs are notorious for eating all sorts of garbage. My vet has a poster
on the wall of one of her exam rooms with x-rays of labradors and the
various objects they'd managed to consume. Stuff like rocks, 25 golf
balls, a screw driver, drywall screws all sorts of random crap.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:45:19 -0600, Kathleen wrote:

> Jeßus wrote:
<snip>
>> If the "business end" was shot off, I can't see what the problem would
>> be? I'm not aware of any venomous snake meat that is in any way toxic
>> (aside from the head, obviously). Their vertebrae would digest very
>> easily.
>>
> Well, right. And presumably the thing was headed down the gullet, if
> not head first, then at least front end first with the scales flat and
> smooth. Ripping it back out, against the grain of the scales, sounds
> pretty freakin' uncomfortable to me. No wonder the poor dog was
> crouching, hunched over afterwards.
>
> Labs are notorious for eating all sorts of garbage. My vet has a poster
> on the wall of one of her exam rooms with x-rays of labradors and the
> various objects they'd managed to consume. Stuff like rocks, 25 golf
> balls, a screw driver, drywall screws all sorts of random crap.

I have a six month old Kelpie ( http://tinyurl.com/dusty-dawg )
that is much the same - she eats the most disgusting stuff imaginable and
yet often turns her nose up at her dry biscuits, and sometimes even fresh
meat (she won't eat it later either). But rabbit and kangaroo droppings
are a delicacy, apparently. Who knows what bits plastic etc. is in her
stomach!

Jeßus wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:45:19 -0600, Kathleen wrote:
>
>
>>Jeßus wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>If the "business end" was shot off, I can't see what the problem would
>>>be? I'm not aware of any venomous snake meat that is in any way toxic
>>>(aside from the head, obviously). Their vertebrae would digest very
>>>easily.
>>>
>>
>>Well, right. And presumably the thing was headed down the gullet, if
>>not head first, then at least front end first with the scales flat and
>>smooth. Ripping it back out, against the grain of the scales, sounds
>>pretty freakin' uncomfortable to me. No wonder the poor dog was
>>crouching, hunched over afterwards.
>>
>>Labs are notorious for eating all sorts of garbage. My vet has a poster
>>on the wall of one of her exam rooms with x-rays of labradors and the
>>various objects they'd managed to consume. Stuff like rocks, 25 golf
>>balls, a screw driver, drywall screws all sorts of random crap.
>
>
> I have a six month old Kelpie ( http://tinyurl.com/dusty-dawg )
> that is much the same - she eats the most disgusting stuff imaginable and
> yet often turns her nose up at her dry biscuits, and sometimes even fresh
> meat (she won't eat it later either). But rabbit and kangaroo droppings
> are a delicacy, apparently. Who knows what bits plastic etc. is in her
> stomach!

Oh, well, herbivore droppings are a universal canine delicacy.

I've learned not to watch my crew when I let them outside first thing in
the morning. I keep the door open so I can hear them if there's a
fight, but I'd rather not watch them snarfing up rabbit turds before
I've had my coffee. Sheep poo is another favorite, but fresh horse
manure is the best. You can eat it AND wear it as a perfume.

Until I got a heavy duty stock tank to use as a cooling pool for my
dogs, I regularly found shreds of blue plastic scattered around the
yard, from them ingesting plastic from the edges of their wading pool.

Labs, though, seem to suffer from a sort of congenital pica. Animal,
vegetable, mineral, if it fits down the gullet, it's food.

And, by the way, if you discover that your dog has ingested something
sharp (a glass X-Mas ornament, for example), first aid is cotton balls
dipped in cream, followed by a call to the vet for further advice. The
theory is that the cotton fibers wrap around the shards and allow them
to be carried through the digestive tract without damage.

Kathleen wrote:
>
>
>
> I've learned not to watch my crew when I let them outside first thing in
> the morning. I keep the door open so I can hear them if there's a
> fight, but I'd rather not watch them snarfing up rabbit turds before
> I've had my coffee. Sheep poo is another favorite, but fresh horse
> manure is the best. You can eat it AND wear it as a perfume.

I have never understood the attraction that dogs have to shit and other
smelly things. I often take my dog with me to the stables for my riding
lessons. He loves to be around horses and has a special fascination with
the two stable goats, but he does not roll in the horse manure. However,
he does like to snoop around the piles of cow manure that get dumped in
the nursery behind our house.

I once had a Bouvier des Flandres that loced shit of any kind, and other
smelly things. The poor cat couldn't take a crap without the dog pushing
her out of the way and gobbling it up before she could bury it. And
that was a dog who refused to lick my face. One day I took her to a
nearby lake and just as we were about to leave she rolled in a rotten
old fish carcass. It was a good thing that I had a pickup truck because
she went home in the back of it and had two baths befoe she was allowed
in the house.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:45:19 -0600, Kathleen wrote:
>
>> Jeßus wrote:
> <snip>
>>> If the "business end" was shot off, I can't see what the problem would
>>> be? I'm not aware of any venomous snake meat that is in any way toxic
>>> (aside from the head, obviously). Their vertebrae would digest very
>>> easily.
>>>
>> Well, right. And presumably the thing was headed down the gullet, if
>> not head first, then at least front end first with the scales flat and
>> smooth. Ripping it back out, against the grain of the scales, sounds
>> pretty freakin' uncomfortable to me. No wonder the poor dog was
>> crouching, hunched over afterwards.
>>
>> Labs are notorious for eating all sorts of garbage. My vet has a poster
>> on the wall of one of her exam rooms with x-rays of labradors and the
>> various objects they'd managed to consume. Stuff like rocks, 25 golf
>> balls, a screw driver, drywall screws all sorts of random crap.
>
> I have a six month old Kelpie ( http://tinyurl.com/dusty-dawg )
> that is much the same - she eats the most disgusting stuff imaginable and
> yet often turns her nose up at her dry biscuits, and sometimes even fresh
> meat (she won't eat it later either). But rabbit and kangaroo droppings
> are a delicacy, apparently. Who knows what bits plastic etc. is in her
> stomach!

Nice dog, but I thought you had a Pug.

Cheers

N.M.

Jeßus wrote:
> I have a six month old Kelpie ( http://tinyurl.com/dusty-dawg )
> that is much the same - she eats the most disgusting stuff imaginable and
> yet often turns her nose up at her dry biscuits, and sometimes even fresh
> meat (she won't eat it later either). But rabbit and kangaroo droppings
> are a delicacy, apparently. Who knows what bits plastic etc. is in her
> stomach!
>


Dusty Dawg is beautiful, so is Annie the cat. I had to look up Kelpie,
I'm not sure we have those here in Louisiana.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelpie_(dog)

Becca

Kathleen wrote:

>>>>
>>>> I saw a Labrador swallow a whole, skinned and unfortunately shallowly
>>>> buried rattlesnake whose business end had been shot off. The dog dug it
>>>> up. The dog's owner noticed while the tail end was being gulped,
>>>> grabbed the disappearing stub of the snake and ripped the whole snake
>>>> from the dogs throat. The mutt hunched over like he was taking a poop.
>>>> I think he would have been fine if left to digest the snake. The dog
>>>> didn't suffer any visible trauma and died many years later.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Slow acting poison ?
>>
>>
>> If the "business end" was shot off, I can't see what the problem would
>> be?
>> I'm not aware of any venomous snake meat that is in any way toxic
>> (aside from the head, obviously). Their vertebrae would digest very
>> easily.

Duh. I was kidding.
>
> Well, right. And presumably the thing was headed down the gullet, if
> not head first, then at least front end first with the scales flat and
> smooth. Ripping it back out, against the grain of the scales, sounds
> pretty freakin' uncomfortable to me. No wonder the poor dog was
> crouching, hunched over afterwards.
>
> Labs are notorious for eating all sorts of garbage. My vet has a poster
> on the wall of one of her exam rooms with x-rays of labradors and the
> various objects they'd managed to consume. Stuff like rocks, 25 golf
> balls, a screw driver, drywall screws all sorts of random crap.

A friend told me about taking his dog to the vet and meeting a Lab owner
whose dog had eaten Noah' ark. His kids had been given a toy for
Christmas, an ark with pairs of animals, and the Lab had eaten all the
animals.

My last Lab ate his favourite blanket... bit by bit. He tore it apart
bit by bit, ripping off strips and swallowing them. The strips passed
through him bit by bit and in the spring when I went out to clean up all
the dog crap there where little white flags all over the back yard.

He once swallowed a pair of brand new pair of blue socks. When I was out
mowing the lawn with my lawn tractor I ran over as huge dark pile of
crap and hears whomp whomp whomp..... It was my new socks.

I bought a new pair.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:22:38 +0000, Noelene Maggot wrote:

> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:45:19 -0600, Kathleen wrote:
>>
>>> Jeßus wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> If the "business end" was shot off, I can't see what the problem
>>>> would be? I'm not aware of any venomous snake meat that is in any way
>>>> toxic (aside from the head, obviously). Their vertebrae would digest
>>>> very easily.
>>>>
>>> Well, right. And presumably the thing was headed down the gullet, if
>>> not head first, then at least front end first with the scales flat and
>>> smooth. Ripping it back out, against the grain of the scales, sounds
>>> pretty freakin' uncomfortable to me. No wonder the poor dog was
>>> crouching, hunched over afterwards.
>>>
>>> Labs are notorious for eating all sorts of garbage. My vet has a
>>> poster on the wall of one of her exam rooms with x-rays of labradors
>>> and the various objects they'd managed to consume. Stuff like rocks,
>>> 25 golf balls, a screw driver, drywall screws all sorts of random
>>> crap.
>>
>> I have a six month old Kelpie ( http://tinyurl.com/dusty-dawg ) that is
>> much the same - she eats the most disgusting stuff imaginable and yet
>> often turns her nose up at her dry biscuits, and sometimes even fresh
>> meat (she won't eat it later either). But rabbit and kangaroo droppings
>> are a delicacy, apparently. Who knows what bits plastic etc. is in her
>> stomach!
>
> Nice dog, but I thought you had a Pug.

Err, nope!

Now I need to figure out who you really are...

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:24:15 -0600, Becca wrote:

> Jeßus wrote:
>> I have a six month old Kelpie ( http://tinyurl.com/dusty-dawg ) that is
>> much the same - she eats the most disgusting stuff imaginable and yet
>> often turns her nose up at her dry biscuits, and sometimes even fresh
>> meat (she won't eat it later either). But rabbit and kangaroo droppings
>> are a delicacy, apparently. Who knows what bits plastic etc. is in her
>> stomach!
>>
>
> Dusty Dawg is beautiful, so is Annie the cat.

Thank you

Dusty being a six month old Kelpie can be quite a handful.
Being a 'working dog', she needs to be kept active as much as possible or
else they'll drive you crazy (theyre notorious for this!). That said,
they're very intelligent dogs, she's still young and with age will settle
down a bit better.

I have a half dozen sheep in one of the paddocks now, Dusty started
herding them around without any encouragement at all. Then again, she
likes to 'herd' the firewood as I unload it as well...

Annie cat has me completely wrapped around her... well, whatever their
equivalent of fingers are!

She also has Dusty totally bluffed - she only wants to play but stays
well out of range of Annie's claws.

> I had to look up Kelpie,
> I'm not sure we have those here in Louisiana.

You never know, Blue Heelers etc. seem to be popular over in the U.S.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelpie_(dog)

I did a double-take when looking at that link

This one is for the Australian Kelpie:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Kelpie>

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:24:15 -0600, Becca wrote:

> Jeßus wrote:
>> I have a six month old Kelpie ( http://tinyurl.com/dusty-dawg ) that is
>> much the same - she eats the most disgusting stuff imaginable and yet
>> often turns her nose up at her dry biscuits, and sometimes even fresh
>> meat (she won't eat it later either). But rabbit and kangaroo droppings
>> are a delicacy, apparently. Who knows what bits plastic etc. is in her
>> stomach!
>>
>
> Dusty Dawg is beautiful, so is Annie the cat.

Thank you

Dusty being a six month old Kelpie can be quite a handful.
Being a 'working dog', she needs to be kept active as much as possible or
else they'll drive you crazy (theyre notorious for this!). That said,
they're very intelligent dogs, she's still young and with age will settle
down a bit better.

I have a half dozen sheep in one of the paddocks now, Dusty started
herding them around without any encouragement at all. Then again, she
likes to 'herd' the firewood as I unload it as well...

Annie cat has me completely wrapped around her... well, whatever their
equivalent of fingers are!

She also has Dusty totally bluffed - she only wants to play but stays
well out of range of Annie's claws.

> I had to look up Kelpie,
> I'm not sure we have those here in Louisiana.

You never know, Blue Heelers etc. seem to be popular over in the U.S.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelpie_(dog)

I did a double-take when looking at that link

This one is for the Australian Kelpie:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Kelpie>

On Nov 23, 5:05 pm, Sheldon > wrote:

>
> Don't feed pets parts you yourself wouldn't eat. And animals are not
> immune to poisoning from tainted food, make sure they're not fed food
> that was left out of the fridge. And dogs and cats are not to be fed
> onions or garlic or raisins... they're toxic....

According to one vet I heard from (second-hand), even cooked turkey IS
bad for dogs.

However, the late writer/artist and corgi owner Tasha Tudor said she'd
always fed garlic to her corgyn (yes, she said that's the plural
form), mainly to ward off fleas, and it always seemed to work. With no
side effects.

Maybe I'll just ask a vet.

Lenona.

Jeßus wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:24:15 -0600, Becca wrote:
>
>
>> Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>> I have a six month old Kelpie ( http://tinyurl.com/dusty-dawg ) that is
>>> much the same - she eats the most disgusting stuff imaginable and yet
>>> often turns her nose up at her dry biscuits, and sometimes even fresh
>>> meat (she won't eat it later either). But rabbit and kangaroo droppings
>>> are a delicacy, apparently. Who knows what bits plastic etc. is in her
>>> stomach!
>>>
>>>
>> Dusty Dawg is beautiful, so is Annie the cat.
>>
>
> Thank you
>
> Dusty being a six month old Kelpie can be quite a handful.
> Being a 'working dog', she needs to be kept active as much as possible or
> else they'll drive you crazy (theyre notorious for this!). That said,
> they're very intelligent dogs, she's still young and with age will settle
> down a bit better.
>
> I have a half dozen sheep in one of the paddocks now, Dusty started
> herding them around without any encouragement at all. Then again, she
> likes to 'herd' the firewood as I unload it as well...
>
> Annie cat has me completely wrapped around her... well, whatever their
> equivalent of fingers are!
>
> She also has Dusty totally bluffed - she only wants to play but stays
> well out of range of Annie's claws.
>
>
>> I had to look up Kelpie,
>> I'm not sure we have those here in Louisiana.
>>
>
> You never know, Blue Heelers etc. seem to be popular over in the U.S.
>
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelpie_(dog)
>>
>
> I did a double-take when looking at that link
>
> This one is for the Australian Kelpie:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Kelpie>
>


Thanks for posting the "correct" link. :-)


Becca

In article <leoblaisdell-6837B9.21531923112008
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, says...
> In article >,
> Kathleen > wrote:
>
> > But I have to sit there and grip the things with a wash cloth to force
> > the dogs to gnaw on them. I started using the washcloth after the time
> > I lost my grip and Zane yanked the frozen neck out of my hand and
> > swallowed it *whole*.
>
> I saw a Labrador swallow a whole, skinned and unfortunately shallowly
> buried rattlesnake whose business end had been shot off. The dog dug it
> up. The dog's owner noticed while the tail end was being gulped, grabbed
> the disappearing stub of the snake and ripped the whole snake from the
> dogs throat. The mutt hunched over like he was taking a poop. I think he
> would have been fine if left to digest the snake. The dog didn't suffer
> any visible trauma and died many years later.
>
> leo
>

Too funny. I've thought about a small dog as I have to get one that is
somewhat hypoallergenic. The second thought to occur to me was to have
it use the existing litter box that the cat uses.

But then I thought some about that. Knowing dogs like I know dogs, it'd
be a snack bar for the dog.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:16:14 -0600, Kathleen wrote:

> Jeßus wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:45:19 -0600, Kathleen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Jeßus wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>If the "business end" was shot off, I can't see what the problem would
>>>>be? I'm not aware of any venomous snake meat that is in any way toxic
>>>>(aside from the head, obviously). Their vertebrae would digest very
>>>>easily.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Well, right. And presumably the thing was headed down the gullet, if
>>>not head first, then at least front end first with the scales flat and
>>>smooth. Ripping it back out, against the grain of the scales, sounds
>>>pretty freakin' uncomfortable to me. No wonder the poor dog was
>>>crouching, hunched over afterwards.
>>>
>>>Labs are notorious for eating all sorts of garbage. My vet has a
>>>poster on the wall of one of her exam rooms with x-rays of labradors
>>>and the various objects they'd managed to consume. Stuff like rocks,
>>>25 golf balls, a screw driver, drywall screws all sorts of random crap.
>>
>>
>> I have a six month old Kelpie ( http://tinyurl.com/dusty-dawg ) that is
>> much the same - she eats the most disgusting stuff imaginable and yet
>> often turns her nose up at her dry biscuits, and sometimes even fresh
>> meat (she won't eat it later either). But rabbit and kangaroo droppings
>> are a delicacy, apparently. Who knows what bits plastic etc. is in her
>> stomach!
>
> Oh, well, herbivore droppings are a universal canine delicacy.
>
> I've learned not to watch my crew when I let them outside first thing in
> the morning. I keep the door open so I can hear them if there's a
> fight, but I'd rather not watch them snarfing up rabbit turds before
> I've had my coffee. Sheep poo is another favorite, but fresh horse
> manure is the best. You can eat it AND wear it as a perfume.
>
> Until I got a heavy duty stock tank to use as a cooling pool for my
> dogs, I regularly found shreds of blue plastic scattered around the
> yard, from them ingesting plastic from the edges of their wading pool.
>
> Labs, though, seem to suffer from a sort of congenital pica. Animal,
> vegetable, mineral, if it fits down the gullet, it's food.
>
> And, by the way, if you discover that your dog has ingested something
> sharp (a glass X-Mas ornament, for example), first aid is cotton balls
> dipped in cream, followed by a call to the vet for further advice. The
> theory is that the cotton fibers wrap around the shards and allow them
> to be carried through the digestive tract without damage.

Thanks for the great tip, I'd have never thought of that idea.
And sorry for taking so long to reply <G>.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:25:39 -0800, lenona321 wrote:

> On Nov 23, 5:05 pm, Sheldon > wrote:
>
>
>> Don't feed pets parts you yourself wouldn't eat. And animals are not
>> immune to poisoning from tainted food, make sure they're not fed food
>> that was left out of the fridge. And dogs and cats are not to be fed
>> onions or garlic or raisins... they're toxic....
>
> According to one vet I heard from (second-hand), even cooked turkey IS
> bad for dogs.
>
> However, the late writer/artist and corgi owner Tasha Tudor said she'd
> always fed garlic to her corgyn (yes, she said that's the plural form),
> mainly to ward off fleas, and it always seemed to work. With no side
> effects.
>
> Maybe I'll just ask a vet.

Good thing to do - though keep in mind that I'd wager you'd get just as
many differing opinions from the vets as well

Becca, where in Louisiana are you? I am trying to find the Heavenly Harvest cat food but where I buy the dog food said they can't get it. I am near Folsom LA. Any ideas? Also, what size does it come in?

I have read some holistic pet food reviews, i never thought that some of my puppies food are not nutritious.