On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...

> John Kane wrote:
>
>>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to say
>>> that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! There are those
>>> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...
>>
>> What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
>> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>
>
> I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few who
> were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on welfare who
> spent most of their time online. Every in the family had a their own
> computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every job he
> eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he could not
> live with her family, but spent most of her time at home with the family
> she could not live with, and the older daughter set out to get pregnant
> during her first year of college.
>
> Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house. He
> came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car. Not to
> mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student welfare.
>
> When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
> under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to pick
> up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates and a NY driver
> licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I called
> the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his way in to
> pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it until I
> asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.

>> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>
> See above.
>

I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common to
see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their new
Cadillacs to pick up their checks.

I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
forget.

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Wayne Boatwright > fnord
5.247:

> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> John Kane wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to
>>>> say that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! There are
>>>> those that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug
>>>> screened...
>>>
>>> What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
>>> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>>
>>
>> I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few
>> who were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on
>> welfare who spent most of their time online. Every in the family had
>> a their own computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every
>> job he eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he
>> could not live with her family, but spent most of her time at home
>> with the family she could not live with, and the older daughter set
>> out to get pregnant during her first year of college.
>>
>> Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house.
>> He came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car.
>> Not to mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student
>> welfare.
>>
>> When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
>> under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to
>> pick up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates and a NY
>> driver licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I
>> called the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his
>> way in to pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it
>> until I asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.
>
>>> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>>
>> See above.
>>
>
> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was
> common to see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare
> offices in their new Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one
> doesn't forget.
>

Wayne, I have a hard time believing that people picking up their welfare
checks in Cadillacs was a "common" sight. I mean, I've seen the video
with Ol' Dirty *******, but I imagine that that is the exception, rather
than the rule.

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"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
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On Mon 15 Sep 2008 06:21:32p, Saerah Gray told us...

> Wayne Boatwright > fnord
> 5.247:
>
>> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>> John Kane wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to
>>>>> say that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! There are
>>>>> those that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug
>>>>> screened...
>>>>
>>>> What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
>>>> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few
>>> who were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on
>>> welfare who spent most of their time online. Every in the family had
>>> a their own computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every
>>> job he eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he
>>> could not live with her family, but spent most of her time at home
>>> with the family she could not live with, and the older daughter set
>>> out to get pregnant during her first year of college.
>>>
>>> Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house.
>>> He came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car.
>>> Not to mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student
>>> welfare.
>>>
>>> When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
>>> under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to
>>> pick up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates and a NY
>>> driver licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I
>>> called the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his
>>> way in to pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it
>>> until I asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.
>>
>>>> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>>>
>>> See above.
>>>
>>
>> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was
>> common to see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare
>> offices in their new Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>>
>> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one
>> doesn't forget.
>>
>
> Wayne, I have a hard time believing that people picking up their welfare
> checks in Cadillacs was a "common" sight. I mean, I've seen the video
> with Ol' Dirty *******, but I imagine that that is the exception, rather
> than the rule.
>

You didn't live in Cleveland in the 1960s.

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Wayne Boatwright > fnord
5.247:

> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 06:21:32p, Saerah Gray told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright > fnord
>> 5.247:
>>
>>> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>>>
>>>> John Kane wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have
>>>>>> to say that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders!
>>>>>> There are those that even feel that welfare recipients should be
>>>>>> drug screened...
>>>>>
>>>>> What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I
>>>>> bet they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few
>>>> who were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on
>>>> welfare who spent most of their time online. Every in the family
>>>> had a their own computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged
>>>> every job he eventually got. One daughter got student welfare
>>>> because he could not live with her family, but spent most of her
>>>> time at home with the family she could not live with, and the older
>>>> daughter set out to get pregnant during her first year of college.
>>>>
>>>> Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my
>>>> house. He came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his
>>>> own car. Not to mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on
>>>> student welfare.
>>>>
>>>> When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy
>>>> driving under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare
>>>> office to pick up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates
>>>> and a NY driver licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his
>>>> welfare cheque? I called the welfare office to tell him that a NY
>>>> resident was on his way in to pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't
>>>> want to know about it until I asked if they preferred that I call
>>>> the local newspaper.
>>>
>>>>> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>>>>
>>>> See above.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was
>>> common to see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare
>>> offices in their new Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>>>
>>> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one
>>> doesn't forget.
>>>
>>
>> Wayne, I have a hard time believing that people picking up their
>> welfare checks in Cadillacs was a "common" sight. I mean, I've seen
>> the video with Ol' Dirty *******, but I imagine that that is the
>> exception, rather than the rule.
>>
>
> You didn't live in Cleveland in the 1960s.
>

True. I didn't live *anywhere* in the 60's

--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> John Kane wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have
>>>> to say that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! There
>>>> are those that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug
>>>> screened...
>>>
>>> What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
>>> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>>
>>
>> I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few
>> who were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on
>> welfare who spent most of their time online. Every in the family had
>> a their own computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged
>> every job he eventually got. One daughter got student welfare
>> because he could not live with her family, but spent most of her
>> time at home with the family she could not live with, and the older
>> daughter set out to get pregnant during her first year of college.
>>
>> Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house.
>> He came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car.
>> Not to mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student
>> welfare.
>>
>> When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
>> under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to
>> pick up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates and a NY
>> driver licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque?
>> I called the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on
>> his way in to pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know
>> about it until I asked if they preferred that I call the local
>> newspaper.
>
>>> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>>
>> See above.
>>
>
> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was
> common to see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare
> offices in their new Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one
> doesn't forget.

I went to the Welfare office before with a friend of mine. Some of these
women wanting benefits had the "bling-bling" jewelry draped up their arms,
all around their necks, in their ears and wrapped around their fingers.
They let their kids run all around the office, screaming, and I think we
pulled up in the most raggedy car. My friend is a single mom with two kids
and got evicted from her apartment because the job she had couldn't afford
to pay the rent when her boyfriend walked out on them. She had a minimum
wage job at a convenience store and needed some sort of assistance, whether
it be food stamps, temporary shelter or welfare. They denied her all three
things because she made $6 an hour, part time. She made too much money.
She left there crying after we had been waiting for about 4 hours.

What did she do? She and her girls lived out of her car until she found a
single guy with money who she didn't care about, but sucked up enough to,
for him to let her move in with the kids. Sad.

kili

wrote:
>What did she do? She and her girls lived out of her car until she found a
>single guy with money who she didn't care about, but sucked up enough to,
>for him to let her move in with the kids. Sad.

Sounds downright practical to me. Deep down, I bet that guy understands
how much she needs him and takes comfort in that, knowing she probably
will never leave him as long as he provides for her. More relationships
should be based on that kind of need.

Orlando

"Orlando Enrique Fiol" > wrote in message
.. .
> wrote:
>>What did she do? She and her girls lived out of her car until she found a
>>single guy with money who she didn't care about, but sucked up enough to,
>>for him to let her move in with the kids. Sad.
>
> Sounds downright practical to me. Deep down, I bet that guy understands
> how much she needs him and takes comfort in that, knowing she probably
> will never leave him as long as he provides for her. More relationships
> should be based on that kind of need.
>

Okay, now THAT is sick.

In article >,
"cybercat" > wrote:

> "Orlando Enrique Fiol" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > wrote:
> >>What did she do? She and her girls lived out of her car until she found a
> >>single guy with money who she didn't care about, but sucked up enough to,
> >>for him to let her move in with the kids. Sad.
> >
> > Sounds downright practical to me. Deep down, I bet that guy understands
> > how much she needs him and takes comfort in that, knowing she probably
> > will never leave him as long as he provides for her. More relationships
> > should be based on that kind of need.
> >
>
> Okay, now THAT is sick.

Are you really that naive?

Pitiful.
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On Sep 15, 8:41*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote:
> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>
>
>
>
>
> > John Kane wrote:
>
> >>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to say
> >>> that? *I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! *There are those
> >>> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...
>
> >> What freeloaders? *The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
> >> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>
> > I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few who
> > were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on welfare who
> > spent most of their time online. Every in the family had a their own
> > computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every job he
> > eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he could not
> > live with her family, but spent most of her time at home with the family
> > she could not live with, and the older daughter set out to get pregnant
> > during her first *year of college.
>
> > Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house. He
> > came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car. Not to
> > mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student welfare.
>
> > When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
> > under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to pick
> > up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates *and a NY driver
> > licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I called
> > the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his way in to
> > pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it until I
> > asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.
> >> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>
> > See above.
>
> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common to
> see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their new
> Cadillacs to pick up their checks.

You have pictures? I really find this hard, well damn near impossible
to believe.

>
> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
> forget.
John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Tue 16 Sep 2008 07:22:13a, John Kane told us...

> On Sep 15, 8:41*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
> wrote:
>> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > John Kane wrote:
>>
>> >>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to
s
> ay
>> >>> that? *I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! *There are t
> hose
>> >>> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...
>>
>> >> What freeloaders? *The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
>> >> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>>
>> > I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few who
>> > were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on welfare
who
>> > spent most of their time online. Every in the family had a their own
>> > computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every job he
>> > eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he could not
>> > live with her family, but spent most of her time at home with the
famil
> y
>> > she could not live with, and the older daughter set out to get
pregnant
>> > during her first *year of college.
>>
>> > Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house.
He
>> > came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car. Not
t
> o
>> > mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student welfare.
>>
>> > When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
>> > under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to
pick
>> > up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates *and a NY driver
>> > licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I called
>> > the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his way in to
>> > pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it until I
>> > asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.
>> >> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>>
>> > See above.
>>
>> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common
t
> o
>> see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their
ne
> w
>> Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> You have pictures? I really find this hard, well damn near impossible
> to believe.

No, John, I don't. It was over 40 years ago and I wasn't interested in
taking pictures of it. I don't know how old you are, but I do know that
things were very different in Cleveland in those days.

>> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
>> forget.
> John Kane Kingston ON Canada
>



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On Sep 16, 11:10*am, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote:
> On Tue 16 Sep 2008 07:22:13a, John Kane told us...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 15, 8:41*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
> > wrote:
> >> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>
> >> > John Kane wrote:
>
> >> >>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to
> s
> > ay
> >> >>> that? *I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! *There are t
> > hose
> >> >>> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...
>
> >> >> What freeloaders? *The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
> >> >> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>
> >> > I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few who
> >> > were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on welfare
> who
> >> > spent most of their time online. Every in the family had a their own
> >> > computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every job he
> >> > eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he could not
> >> > live with her family, but spent most of her time at home with the
> famil
> > y
> >> > she could not live with, and the older daughter set out to get
> pregnant
> >> > during her first *year of college.
>
> >> > Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house.
> He
> >> > came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car. Not
> t
> > o
> >> > mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student welfare.
>
> >> > When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
> >> > under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to
> pick
> >> > up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates *and a NY driver
> >> > licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I called
> >> > the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his way in to
> >> > pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it until I
> >> > asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.
> >> >> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>
> >> > See above.
>
> >> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common
> t
> > o
> >> see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their
> ne
> > w
> >> Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> > You have pictures? *I really find this hard, well damn near impossible
> > to believe.
>
> No, John, I don't. *It was over 40 years ago and I wasn't interested in
> taking pictures of it. *I don't know how old you are, but I do know that
> things were very different in Cleveland in those days.

Old enough to remember those days but I've never been to Cleveland.

I've also never seen a welfare recipient driving a new Cadillac even
back then.

>
> >> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
> >> forget.
> > John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:41:14 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common to
> see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their new
> Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
> forget.

what are you, ronald reagan risen from the grave?

'it was common to see'? how many times did you see this yourself?

your pal,
blake

On Sep 16, 2:21*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:41:14 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> > I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common to
> > see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their new
> > Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> > I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
> > forget.
>
> what are you, ronald reagan risen from the grave?
>
> 'it was common to see'? *how many times did you see this yourself?

I`d say never.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarequeen.htm

On Sep 16, 2:47*pm, " > wrote:

> http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarequeen.htm

Just to add to this, in 1968, I heard people in the US (yes, I was in
the US in 1968, at the same time as the Democratic convention, but not
AT said convention) claim that they knew of black families who lived
in a badly run down part of Columbus Ohio (where I was) but who drove
spanking new Cadillacs to the welfare office. Of course, when asked
to point out said families, they claimed to have heard it from
friends. Urban legends are hard to kill...

I suspect Re-again just updated it from "coloured" to "welfare" to
suit his purposes.

But...true story, my cousin had a friend who combed her hair into a
beehive and bees made a nest in it...I swear it's true! ;-)

> wrote in message
...
On Sep 16, 2:21 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:41:14 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> > I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common
> > to
> > see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their
> > new
> > Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> > I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
> > forget.
>
> what are you, ronald reagan risen from the grave?
>
> 'it was common to see'? how many times did you see this yourself?

>>I`d say never.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarequeen.htm

So *this* is where the dumbasses get this stuff! hahaha!

"cybercat" > wrote in
:

>> > I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one
>> > doesn't forget.
>>
>> what are you, ronald reagan risen from the grave?
>>
>> 'it was common to see'? how many times did you see this yourself?
>
>>>I`d say never.
>
> http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarequeen.htm
>
> So *this* is where the dumbasses get this stuff! hahaha!

Proves their whole schtick is a tissue of lies and innuendo aimed at
vilifying those they know won't vote for them.

Windsor Star 11 Sep 2008 (on the election trail)

[...] Prime Minister Stephen Harper had more troubles Thursday as the
party suspended Ryan Sparrow, the Conservative's director of
communications, after he sent a one-line e-mail to a television producer.

The message pointed out Jim Davis, who had appeared on television
criticizing Harper's position on Afghanistan, was a Liberal supporter.

"Note this guy is an Iggy supporter," read Sparrow's e-mail, suggesting
support for Liberal Michael Ignatieff.

Davis whose son, Cpl. Paul Davis, was killed in March 2006, said he did
not want Canada to pull out of Afghanistan if it would mean his son died
in vain.

-----

Apologies were provided, but these people clearly lack a filter from
brain to keyboard/mouth. The problem is they think they're smarter than
everybody else (when actually their brains would turn to ink there
wouldn't be enough to make a period) and the stupid greedy electorate
plays right into that...hey, tax cuts...ya...