In article > ,
Saerah Gray > wrote:

> Omelet > fnord
> news >
> > In article > ,
> > T > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> says...
> >> > In article 7>,
> >> > Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > > In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients
> >> > > > are actually single white males is absolutely false.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Whatever... Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult
> >> > > welfare recipients and limited the number of children a welfare
> >> > > recipient could have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could
> >> > > receive. What you can't afford to have, you shouldn't have.
> >> > > It's no wonder there are so many children on the welfare rolls.
> >> > > One of the things that irritates me most is
> >> > > seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the
> >> > > welfare office
> >> > > with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed
> >> > > by choice or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have
> >> > > no desire to work. With our present system they know they don't
> >> > > have to, yet they keep popping
> >> > > out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive
> >> > > additional benefits for each child they have.
> >> > >
> >> > > There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up
> >> > > by their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
> >> > > Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Wayne Boatwright
> >> >
> >> > The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.
> >> >
> >> > It needs a serious overhaul.
> >> >
> >>
> >> So tell me since you're the expert, what reforms would you make to
> >> the welfare system?
> >
> > Government work programs. I already stated that.
> >
> > Give them the welfare they need, but make them work for it.
> > It really is that simple...
> >
> > I believe in helping people, just not in giving them a totally free
> > ride. I work hard for the money I make.
>
> So will the government pay for child care under your program, too?

_Home_ work is my idea.
That way they can stay home with the kids.

>
> An overhaul of the system is needed, certainly. What kind of jobs are we
> going to give these people so that they can get off welfare and make a
> living that is enough to support their family?
>
> Except for the three months I took off for maternity leave, and the few
> months when I was unemployed a few years ago,(and it's not that I
> "wouldn't" work; there were retail and fast-food jobs available, but
> most of the places I applied at could not give me a set schedule, which
> I needed because I could not afford childcare), I have worked full-time
> my entire adult life. Until I was able to get my current job, I had
> never made enough money where I could have supported myself and my
> daughter on my paycheck alone. Does that make me lazy?

Of course not. :-) You are not the kind of person I had an issue with.
There are some people that don't _want_ to get off of welfare and some
are generational.

I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to say
that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! There are those
that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...

>
> It's more complicated than "have them work for the money". Basically,
> you would have these people work for *less* than minimum wage. And
> that's not a solution.

Did I ever mention an amount? Is welfare less than minimum wage?
--
Peace! Om

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain

On Sep 15, 10:03*am, Omelet > wrote:
> In article > ,
> *Saerah Gray > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Omelet > fnord
> >news
>
> > > In article > ,
> > > *T > wrote:
>
> > >> In article >,
> > >> says...
> > >> > In article 7>,
> > >> > *Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
> > >> > > > In other words...... your claim that most welfare recipients
> > >> > > > are actually single white males is absolutely false.
>
> > >> > > > * *http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html
>
> > >> > > Whatever... *Maybe it's time we imposed penalties on adult
> > >> > > welfare recipients and limited the number of children a welfare
> > >> > > recipient could have to 1, also limiting the benefits they could
> > >> > > receive. *What you can't afford to have, you shouldn't have.
> > >> > > It's no wonder there are so many children on the welfare rolls.
> > >> > > One of the things that irritates me most is
> > >> > > seeing an indigent family or single mother marching into the
> > >> > > welfare office
> > >> > > with 8 kids in tow, because most of these people are unemployed
> > >> > > by choice or lack of even the most rudimentary skills, and have
> > >> > > no desire to work. *With our present system they know they don't
> > >> > > have to, yet they keep popping
> > >> > > out kids like it ws a hobby, and they know they'll receive
> > >> > > additional benefits for each child they have.
>
> > >> > > There are some who are making every effort to pull themselves up
> > >> > > by their bootstraps and to work or actively seek employment.
> > >> > > Unfortunately, they seem to be in the vast minority.
>
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > * * * * * * *Wayne Boatwright * *
>
> > >> > The welfare system rewards sloth, and fecundity.
>
> > >> > It needs a serious overhaul.
>
> > >> So tell me since you're the expert, what reforms would you make to
> > >> the welfare system?
>
> > > Government work programs. *I already stated that.
>
> > > Give them the welfare they need, but make them work for it.
> > > It really is that simple...
>
> > > I believe in helping people, just not in giving them a totally free
> > > ride. I work hard for the money I make.
>
> > So will the government pay for child care under your program, too?
>
> _Home_ work is my idea.
> That way they can stay home with the kids.
>
>
>
> > An overhaul of the system is needed, certainly. What kind of jobs are we
> > going to give these people so that they can get off welfare and make a
> > living that is enough to support their family?
>
> > Except for the three months I took off for maternity leave, and the few
> > months when I was unemployed a few years ago,(and it's not that I
> > "wouldn't" work; there were retail and fast-food jobs available, but
> > most of the places I applied at could not give me a set schedule, which
> > I needed because I could not afford childcare), I have worked full-time
> > my entire adult life. Until I was able to get my current job, I had
> > never made enough money where I could have supported myself and my
> > daughter on my paycheck alone. Does that make me lazy?
>
> Of course not. :-) *You are not the kind of person I had an issue with.
> There are some people that don't _want_ to get off of welfare and some
> are generational.
>
> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to say
> that? *I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! *There are those
> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...

What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
they're awfully hard to find on the ground.

> > It's more complicated than "have them work for the money". Basically,
> > you would have these people work for *less* than minimum wage. And
> > that's not a solution.
>
> Did I ever mention an amount? Is welfare less than minimum wage?

Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?

You might find it suprising. Texas minimum wage is $6.55 apparently.
http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm#Texas

I don't know enough about Texas and US laws and terminology to easily
track down the welfare equivelent.

Welfare is well below the minumum wage in Ontario $520 pear month
according to this site http://www.uclg.ca/en/services/ontar...assistance.asp

Ontario minimum wage is $8 / hr. or roughly $1200 per month (assuming
a 40 hour week)
http://lpaula.wordpress.com/2007/02/...e-hike-canada/

Ergo 520/1200 is roughly 43% of the minumum wage.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

John Kane wrote:

>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to say
>> that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! There are those
>> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...
>
> What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.


I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few who
were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on welfare who
spent most of their time online. Every in the family had a their own
computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every job he
eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he could not
live with her family, but spent most of her time at home with the family
she could not live with, and the older daughter set out to get pregnant
during her first year of college.

Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house. He
came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car. Not to
mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student welfare.

When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to pick
up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates and a NY driver
licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I called
the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his way in to
pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it until I
asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.




> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?

See above.

On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...

> John Kane wrote:
>
>>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to say
>>> that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! There are those
>>> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...
>>
>> What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
>> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>
>
> I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few who
> were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on welfare who
> spent most of their time online. Every in the family had a their own
> computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every job he
> eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he could not
> live with her family, but spent most of her time at home with the family
> she could not live with, and the older daughter set out to get pregnant
> during her first year of college.
>
> Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house. He
> came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car. Not to
> mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student welfare.
>
> When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
> under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to pick
> up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates and a NY driver
> licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I called
> the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his way in to
> pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it until I
> asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.

>> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>
> See above.
>

I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common to
see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their new
Cadillacs to pick up their checks.

I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
forget.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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Wayne Boatwright > fnord
5.247:

> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> John Kane wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to
>>>> say that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! There are
>>>> those that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug
>>>> screened...
>>>
>>> What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
>>> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>>
>>
>> I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few
>> who were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on
>> welfare who spent most of their time online. Every in the family had
>> a their own computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every
>> job he eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he
>> could not live with her family, but spent most of her time at home
>> with the family she could not live with, and the older daughter set
>> out to get pregnant during her first year of college.
>>
>> Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house.
>> He came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car.
>> Not to mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student
>> welfare.
>>
>> When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
>> under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to
>> pick up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates and a NY
>> driver licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I
>> called the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his
>> way in to pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it
>> until I asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.
>
>>> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>>
>> See above.
>>
>
> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was
> common to see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare
> offices in their new Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one
> doesn't forget.
>

Wayne, I have a hard time believing that people picking up their welfare
checks in Cadillacs was a "common" sight. I mean, I've seen the video
with Ol' Dirty *******, but I imagine that that is the exception, rather
than the rule.

--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

On Mon 15 Sep 2008 06:21:32p, Saerah Gray told us...

> Wayne Boatwright > fnord
> 5.247:
>
>> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>> John Kane wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to
>>>>> say that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! There are
>>>>> those that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug
>>>>> screened...
>>>>
>>>> What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
>>>> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few
>>> who were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on
>>> welfare who spent most of their time online. Every in the family had
>>> a their own computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every
>>> job he eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he
>>> could not live with her family, but spent most of her time at home
>>> with the family she could not live with, and the older daughter set
>>> out to get pregnant during her first year of college.
>>>
>>> Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house.
>>> He came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car.
>>> Not to mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student
>>> welfare.
>>>
>>> When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
>>> under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to
>>> pick up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates and a NY
>>> driver licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I
>>> called the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his
>>> way in to pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it
>>> until I asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.
>>
>>>> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>>>
>>> See above.
>>>
>>
>> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was
>> common to see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare
>> offices in their new Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>>
>> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one
>> doesn't forget.
>>
>
> Wayne, I have a hard time believing that people picking up their welfare
> checks in Cadillacs was a "common" sight. I mean, I've seen the video
> with Ol' Dirty *******, but I imagine that that is the exception, rather
> than the rule.
>

You didn't live in Cleveland in the 1960s.

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Wayne Boatwright > fnord
5.247:

> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 06:21:32p, Saerah Gray told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright > fnord
>> 5.247:
>>
>>> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>>>
>>>> John Kane wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have
>>>>>> to say that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders!
>>>>>> There are those that even feel that welfare recipients should be
>>>>>> drug screened...
>>>>>
>>>>> What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I
>>>>> bet they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few
>>>> who were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on
>>>> welfare who spent most of their time online. Every in the family
>>>> had a their own computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged
>>>> every job he eventually got. One daughter got student welfare
>>>> because he could not live with her family, but spent most of her
>>>> time at home with the family she could not live with, and the older
>>>> daughter set out to get pregnant during her first year of college.
>>>>
>>>> Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my
>>>> house. He came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his
>>>> own car. Not to mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on
>>>> student welfare.
>>>>
>>>> When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy
>>>> driving under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare
>>>> office to pick up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates
>>>> and a NY driver licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his
>>>> welfare cheque? I called the welfare office to tell him that a NY
>>>> resident was on his way in to pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't
>>>> want to know about it until I asked if they preferred that I call
>>>> the local newspaper.
>>>
>>>>> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>>>>
>>>> See above.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was
>>> common to see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare
>>> offices in their new Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>>>
>>> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one
>>> doesn't forget.
>>>
>>
>> Wayne, I have a hard time believing that people picking up their
>> welfare checks in Cadillacs was a "common" sight. I mean, I've seen
>> the video with Ol' Dirty *******, but I imagine that that is the
>> exception, rather than the rule.
>>
>
> You didn't live in Cleveland in the 1960s.
>

True. I didn't live *anywhere* in the 60's

--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> John Kane wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have
>>>> to say that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! There
>>>> are those that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug
>>>> screened...
>>>
>>> What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
>>> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>>
>>
>> I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few
>> who were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on
>> welfare who spent most of their time online. Every in the family had
>> a their own computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged
>> every job he eventually got. One daughter got student welfare
>> because he could not live with her family, but spent most of her
>> time at home with the family she could not live with, and the older
>> daughter set out to get pregnant during her first year of college.
>>
>> Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house.
>> He came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car.
>> Not to mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student
>> welfare.
>>
>> When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
>> under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to
>> pick up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates and a NY
>> driver licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque?
>> I called the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on
>> his way in to pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know
>> about it until I asked if they preferred that I call the local
>> newspaper.
>
>>> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>>
>> See above.
>>
>
> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was
> common to see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare
> offices in their new Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one
> doesn't forget.

I went to the Welfare office before with a friend of mine. Some of these
women wanting benefits had the "bling-bling" jewelry draped up their arms,
all around their necks, in their ears and wrapped around their fingers.
They let their kids run all around the office, screaming, and I think we
pulled up in the most raggedy car. My friend is a single mom with two kids
and got evicted from her apartment because the job she had couldn't afford
to pay the rent when her boyfriend walked out on them. She had a minimum
wage job at a convenience store and needed some sort of assistance, whether
it be food stamps, temporary shelter or welfare. They denied her all three
things because she made $6 an hour, part time. She made too much money.
She left there crying after we had been waiting for about 4 hours.

What did she do? She and her girls lived out of her car until she found a
single guy with money who she didn't care about, but sucked up enough to,
for him to let her move in with the kids. Sad.

kili

wrote:
>What did she do? She and her girls lived out of her car until she found a
>single guy with money who she didn't care about, but sucked up enough to,
>for him to let her move in with the kids. Sad.

Sounds downright practical to me. Deep down, I bet that guy understands
how much she needs him and takes comfort in that, knowing she probably
will never leave him as long as he provides for her. More relationships
should be based on that kind of need.

Orlando

"Orlando Enrique Fiol" > wrote in message
.. .
> wrote:
>>What did she do? She and her girls lived out of her car until she found a
>>single guy with money who she didn't care about, but sucked up enough to,
>>for him to let her move in with the kids. Sad.
>
> Sounds downright practical to me. Deep down, I bet that guy understands
> how much she needs him and takes comfort in that, knowing she probably
> will never leave him as long as he provides for her. More relationships
> should be based on that kind of need.
>

Okay, now THAT is sick.

On Sep 15, 8:41*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote:
> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>
>
>
>
>
> > John Kane wrote:
>
> >>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to say
> >>> that? *I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! *There are those
> >>> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...
>
> >> What freeloaders? *The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
> >> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>
> > I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few who
> > were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on welfare who
> > spent most of their time online. Every in the family had a their own
> > computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every job he
> > eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he could not
> > live with her family, but spent most of her time at home with the family
> > she could not live with, and the older daughter set out to get pregnant
> > during her first *year of college.
>
> > Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house. He
> > came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car. Not to
> > mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student welfare.
>
> > When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
> > under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to pick
> > up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates *and a NY driver
> > licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I called
> > the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his way in to
> > pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it until I
> > asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.
> >> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>
> > See above.
>
> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common to
> see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their new
> Cadillacs to pick up their checks.

You have pictures? I really find this hard, well damn near impossible
to believe.

>
> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
> forget.
John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Tue 16 Sep 2008 07:22:13a, John Kane told us...

> On Sep 15, 8:41*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
> wrote:
>> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > John Kane wrote:
>>
>> >>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to
s
> ay
>> >>> that? *I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! *There are t
> hose
>> >>> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...
>>
>> >> What freeloaders? *The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
>> >> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>>
>> > I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few who
>> > were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on welfare
who
>> > spent most of their time online. Every in the family had a their own
>> > computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every job he
>> > eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he could not
>> > live with her family, but spent most of her time at home with the
famil
> y
>> > she could not live with, and the older daughter set out to get
pregnant
>> > during her first *year of college.
>>
>> > Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house.
He
>> > came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car. Not
t
> o
>> > mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student welfare.
>>
>> > When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
>> > under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to
pick
>> > up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates *and a NY driver
>> > licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I called
>> > the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his way in to
>> > pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it until I
>> > asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.
>> >> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>>
>> > See above.
>>
>> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common
t
> o
>> see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their
ne
> w
>> Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> You have pictures? I really find this hard, well damn near impossible
> to believe.

No, John, I don't. It was over 40 years ago and I wasn't interested in
taking pictures of it. I don't know how old you are, but I do know that
things were very different in Cleveland in those days.

>> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
>> forget.
> John Kane Kingston ON Canada
>



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On Sep 16, 11:10*am, Wayne Boatwright >
wrote:
> On Tue 16 Sep 2008 07:22:13a, John Kane told us...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 15, 8:41*pm, Wayne Boatwright >
> > wrote:
> >> On Mon 15 Sep 2008 04:24:33p, Dave Smith told us...
>
> >> > John Kane wrote:
>
> >> >>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to
> s
> > ay
> >> >>> that? *I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! *There are t
> > hose
> >> >>> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...
>
> >> >> What freeloaders? *The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
> >> >> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>
> >> > I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few who
> >> > were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on welfare
> who
> >> > spent most of their time online. Every in the family had a their own
> >> > computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every job he
> >> > eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he could not
> >> > live with her family, but spent most of her time at home with the
> famil
> > y
> >> > she could not live with, and the older daughter set out to get
> pregnant
> >> > during her first *year of college.
>
> >> > Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house.
> He
> >> > came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car. Not
> t
> > o
> >> > mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student welfare.
>
> >> > When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
> >> > under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to
> pick
> >> > up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates *and a NY driver
> >> > licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I called
> >> > the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his way in to
> >> > pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it until I
> >> > asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.
> >> >> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>
> >> > See above.
>
> >> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common
> t
> > o
> >> see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their
> ne
> > w
> >> Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> > You have pictures? *I really find this hard, well damn near impossible
> > to believe.
>
> No, John, I don't. *It was over 40 years ago and I wasn't interested in
> taking pictures of it. *I don't know how old you are, but I do know that
> things were very different in Cleveland in those days.

Old enough to remember those days but I've never been to Cleveland.

I've also never seen a welfare recipient driving a new Cadillac even
back then.

>
> >> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
> >> forget.
> > John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:41:14 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common to
> see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their new
> Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
> forget.

what are you, ronald reagan risen from the grave?

'it was common to see'? how many times did you see this yourself?

your pal,
blake

On Sep 16, 2:21*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:41:14 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> > I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common to
> > see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their new
> > Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> > I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
> > forget.
>
> what are you, ronald reagan risen from the grave?
>
> 'it was common to see'? *how many times did you see this yourself?

I`d say never.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarequeen.htm

On Sep 16, 2:47*pm, " > wrote:

> http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarequeen.htm

Just to add to this, in 1968, I heard people in the US (yes, I was in
the US in 1968, at the same time as the Democratic convention, but not
AT said convention) claim that they knew of black families who lived
in a badly run down part of Columbus Ohio (where I was) but who drove
spanking new Cadillacs to the welfare office. Of course, when asked
to point out said families, they claimed to have heard it from
friends. Urban legends are hard to kill...

I suspect Re-again just updated it from "coloured" to "welfare" to
suit his purposes.

But...true story, my cousin had a friend who combed her hair into a
beehive and bees made a nest in it...I swear it's true! ;-)

> wrote in message
...
On Sep 16, 2:21 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:41:14 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> > I can remember a time, many years ago in Cleveland, where it was common
> > to
> > see many welfare recipients pulling up to the welfare offices in their
> > new
> > Cadillacs to pick up their checks.
>
> > I know things aren't quite like that now, but it's an image one doesn't
> > forget.
>
> what are you, ronald reagan risen from the grave?
>
> 'it was common to see'? how many times did you see this yourself?

>>I`d say never.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarequeen.htm

So *this* is where the dumbasses get this stuff! hahaha!

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:24:33 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>John Kane wrote:
>
>>> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to say
>>> that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! There are those
>>> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...
>>
>> What freeloaders? The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
>> they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>
>
>I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few who
>were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on welfare who
>spent most of their time online. Every in the family had a their own
>computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every job he
>eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he could not
>live with her family, but spent most of her time at home with the family
>she could not live with, and the older daughter set out to get pregnant
>during her first year of college.
>
>Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house. He
>came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car. Not to
>mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student welfare.
>
>When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
>under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to pick
>up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates and a NY driver
>licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I called
>the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his way in to
>pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it until I
>asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.
>
>
>
>
Wow...you have as many run-ins with welfare cheats as Janet does with
dancing Arabs.

You guys need to write a book.

>
>See above.

Yeah...it's good advice. Take it.

Boron

On Sep 15, 7:24*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> John Kane wrote:
> >> I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to say
> >> that? *I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders! *There are those
> >> that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...
>
> > What freeloaders? *The press may talk about 'freeloaders' but I bet
> > they're awfully hard to find on the ground.
>
> I don't know that many people on welfare, but I can think of a few who
> were definite abusers. I spoke before of a family I knew on welfare who
> spent most of their time online. Every in the family had a their own
> computer, all state of the art.The father sabotaged every job he
> eventually got. One daughter got student welfare because he could not
> live with her family, but spent most of her time at home with the family
> she could not live with, and the older daughter set out to get pregnant
> during her first *year of college.
>
> Then there is one of the kids who got caught breaking into my house. He
> came from a welfare family, but at the age of 17 had his own car. Not to
> mention one of his his burglary buddies, living on student welfare.
>
> When I was working in commercial vehicle I came across a guy driving
> under suspension. He was on his way to the local welfare office to pick
> up his welfare cheque. He had a truck with NY plates *and a NY driver
> licence, and he is in Ontario to pick up his welfare cheque? I called
> the welfare office to tell him that a NY resident was on his way in to
> pick up a welfare cheque. They didn't want to know about it until I
> asked if they preferred that I call the local newspaper.
>
> > Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>
> See above.

So? I know a number of people who drive like maniacs, don't have auto
insurance, and probably are driving without a licence. Ergo we should
confiscate all cars in Ontario?

It is possible in almost any situation to find outliers but it's
tarring everyone with the same brush to claim that eveyone does it.

Come to think of it I have know one or two lazy Ont Gov't employees.
Does this mean that you were a layabout on the job?

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

John Kane > fnord
:
>Om wrote:
>>
>> Did I ever mention an amount? Is welfare less than minimum wage?
>
> Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>
> You might find it suprising. Texas minimum wage is $6.55 apparently.
> http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm#Texas
>
> I don't know enough about Texas and US laws and terminology to easily
> track down the welfare equivelent.
>
> Welfare is well below the minumum wage in Ontario $520 pear month
> according to this site
> http://www.uclg.ca/en/services/ontar...assistance.asp
>
> Ontario minimum wage is $8 / hr. or roughly $1200 per month (assuming
> a 40 hour week)
> http://lpaula.wordpress.com/2007/02/...e-hike-canada/
>
> Ergo 520/1200 is roughly 43% of the minumum wage.


Thanks for looking all that up so I didn't have to

--
Saerah

"Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!"
- some hillbilly from FL

On Sep 15, 9:18*pm, Saerah Gray > wrote:
> John Kane > :
>
>
>
>
>
> >Om wrote:
>
> >> Did I ever mention an amount? Is welfare less than minimum wage?
>
> > Perhaps you should call your local welfare office and ask?
>
> > You might find it suprising. *Texas minimum wage is $6.55 apparently.
> >http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm#Texas
>
> > I don't know enough about Texas and US laws and terminology to easily
> > track down the welfare equivelent.
>
> > Welfare *is well below the minumum wage *in Ontario *$520 pear month
> > according to this site *
> >http://www.uclg.ca/en/services/ontar...assistance.asp
>
> > Ontario minimum wage is $8 / hr. *or roughly $1200 per month (assuming
> > a 40 hour week)
> >http://lpaula.wordpress.com/2007/02/...e-hike-canada/
>
> > Ergo 520/1200 is roughly 43% of the minumum wage.
>
> Thanks for looking all that up so I didn't have to
>
> --
> Saerah

No problem, I do that type of thing for a living so it only took a
couple of minutes.
BTW that works out to $3.47 CDN an hour.

I'd like to know what the Texas rate is.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

wrote:
>_Home_ work is my idea.
>That way they can stay home with the kids.

What kinds of home work would they likely do? They'd likely work in
customer service, as telemarketers or multilevel spammers, all of whom
carry immense social stigma.

>There are some people that don't _want_ to get off of welfare and some
>are generational.

Do you know any such people personally? If so, would you provide us an
anonymous case study of their age, gender, race, educational background
and overall mental state?

>I'm not against helping people in need! How many times do I have to say
>that? I have a problem with deliberate freeloaders!

I'm saying that you'd be hard pressed to tell freeloaders apart from
genuine people in need.

>There are those that even feel that welfare recipients should be drug screened...


I sure do. They should also have their benefits cut in the event of
pregnancy outside a committed relationship.

>Did I ever mention an amount? Is welfare less than minimum wage?

Absolutely!

Orlando