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Omelet > fnord
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> In article >, > Dave Smith > wrote: > >> Omelet wrote: >> > In article >, >> > Dave Smith > wrote: >> > >> >> What do you do in a case like that. He is a woman who was raised >> >> on welfare, whose college education subsidized and received >> >> student grants, who had the opportunity to get education and >> >> training to help her find meaningful employment. But she knew that >> >> the system would support her, so she intentionally got herself >> >> pregnant knowing that she could stay home and not have to work. >> >> That was the way she was raised, and there is a good chance that >> >> her kid will grow up with the same mind set. >> > >> > That appears to be the problem in New Orleans... >> > >> > The Answer? >> > >> > No welfare. Period. Government home work programs! If you get >> > welfare, you do SOMETHING to earn it! Even if it's just sewing >> > military uniforms at home... >> >> And if they don't perform?? Fire them and let them starve? I don't >> think so. > > It's called "training" babe. > >> >> In the good old days they had debtors prisons, and babies were taken >> from poor single mothers and put up for adoption. I hope there is >> ahappy medium. > > My own father is a product of that. Don't think I have no personal > experience. Dad is an adopted state confiscated orphan. It's made my > family tree searches somewhat complicated. > > He has no regrets. > > Don't have babies you cannot support. I know that sounds ruthless, but > people need to grow the hell up. > Sometimes not being able to support a child happens after that child is born. A minimum wage job is barely enough to support one adult, let alone an adult and a child. What do you propose for people who are laid off from their jobs? Unemployment is at 6% right now. Are you proposing that 6% of the population should starve? >> >> >> > >> > NO free ride! > > I still stand by that. > > I worked my ass off to get where I am. Pardon me if I don't want my > tax dollars to support lazy freeloaders! Not everyone on welfare is a "lazy freeloader". You own a home. Are you telling me you don't take the tax breaks you are afforded because you have a mortgage? -- Saerah "Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!" - some hillbilly from FL |
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Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote in
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On Sep 15, 4:08�am, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >, > �Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote: > > > > > > > wrote: > > >Yet, there are a lot of women of that generation who are still on > > >welfare, as are their children. Meanwhile, the rest of us went to > > >school, got jobs, found places to live and then had children. �What > > >suckers we were. We could have stayed home and let others support us. > > >Instead, we paid higher taxes to look after them and their kids as well > > >as ourselves. > > > You make it sound like life below the poverty line is a sumptuous > > picnic. Have you ever asked these scores of welfare recipients you know > > to provide you detailed budgets so that you see what their lives are > > really like? Have you ever been to a food bank or gone to an electric or > > phone company in tears because service got cut off? Have you ever had to > > boil water to take a hot shower because the landlord turned off the hot > > water heater? Have you ever seen your children covered in rat bites? I > > suspect not, which means you know nothing about what life on welfare > > actually is. As for your precious tax dollars, I don't see you > > complaining when your taxes are used to fund wars, pay crooked > > representatives or selectively patronize certain art forms over others. > > Yet, when 1% of your taxes go toward the poor, you rant and rave on here > > as though you were being ripped off. > > > Orlando > > Good rant and perspective. I'll agree it's a rant... but there's no true perspective... where's the perspective about no account parasite *******s who refuse to work. > the cost of Bush's war is a whole 'nuther subject/rant. It's not Bush's war, it's a war Bush inherited from Bubba. In typical Dem style Bubba didn't do a lick of work, in typical Dem style he advocated living off the fat of the land, giving nothing back, and thinking in typical Dem style that work means ****ing around 24/7. |
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>, Sheldon > wrote: > It's not Bush's war, it's a war Bush inherited from Bubba. In typical > Dem style Bubba didn't do a lick of work, in typical Dem style he > advocated living off the fat of the land, giving nothing back, and > thinking in typical Dem style that work means ****ing around 24/7. Bush is a Republican... -- Peace! Om "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain |
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Sheldon wrote: On Sep 15, 4:08?am, Omelet > wrote: > In article >, > ?Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote: > > > > > > > wrote: > > >Yet, there are a lot of women of that generation who are still on > > >welfare, as are their children. Meanwhile, the rest of us went to > > >school, got jobs, found places to live and then had children. ?What > > >suckers we were. We could have stayed home and let others support us. > > >Instead, we paid higher taxes to look after them and their kids as well > > >as ourselves. > > > You make it sound like life below the poverty line is a sumptuous > > picnic. Have you ever asked these scores of welfare recipients you know > > to provide you detailed budgets so that you see what their lives are > > really like? Have you ever been to a food bank or gone to an electric or > > phone company in tears because service got cut off? Have you ever had to > > boil water to take a hot shower because the landlord turned off the hot > > water heater? Have you ever seen your children covered in rat bites? I > > suspect not, which means you know nothing about what life on welfare > > actually is. As for your precious tax dollars, I don't see you > > complaining when your taxes are used to fund wars, pay crooked > > representatives or selectively patronize certain art forms over others. > > Yet, when 1% of your taxes go toward the poor, you rant and rave on here > > as though you were being ripped off. > > > Orlando > > Good rant and perspective. I'll agree it's a rant... but there's no true perspective... where's the perspective about no account parasite *******s who refuse to work. --------------------- GM replies: Yup, like a person I know who not only freeloads off of her partner (who works 60 hours per week) but also off the public system. Got a sympathetic doctor to diagnose her with MS and so she has a boatload of benefits (SSI, etc.). Has also received settlements from several somewhat bogus lawsuits against the po - leece, the last was apparantly enough "to buy a piece of land and build a house" I was told. The last job she held (more than a decade ago) she successfully sued for "racial harrasment" - this at a firm that is very minority - friendly and her boss was a black woman...go figger...!!! This gal gets up at noon each day, then hits the bar for Happy Hour each day, she drinks top - shelf Scotch only, natch. She tells folks she is "too sick to work...sometimes I don't feel good...". Yet she attended the Dem convention for a week in Denver, partying hearty, natch - and on someone else's tab.. She's been to Europe *four* times in the past year and is going again over New Year's. As she sez, "Heck, anyone with a spare coupla thou sitting around these days can pop over to Paris or Berlin or Amsterdam for a week...". I guess I wouldn't mind *so* much, but she's very vocal about us "suckers that work". When I once told her that she puts more energy into partying than many of us do into work, she got all indignant, e.g. "But sometimes I don't feel good...", to which I replied, "Well, I don't 'feel good' either when that buzzer goes off at 5:00 AM, but...". This is one of the more egregrious cases I know of, but there are plenty more like this. "A party lifestyle on someone else's dime...", I guess I shouldn't mock it but then I couldn't imagine living like this, I'd rather be dead... -- Best Greg |
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Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
> > > I suspect there's no real proposal in the offing, just a rant about how > irresponsible the poor are. I can't speak for the others, but my rant was in response to your blantant lie that most welfare recipients are white males. Nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is that white males, despite their major presence in our society, are one of the smallest groups demographic groups in the welfare system. |
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Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote: > >Not everyone on welfare is a "lazy freeloader". You own a home. Are you > >telling me you don't take the tax breaks you are afforded because you > >have a mortgage? > > To the conservative mind, tax breaks assisting people who already work > are reinforcing the positive in our society: self sufficiency, hard > work, good fiscal planning and responsible procreation. > > Orlando I don't get a tax break for my morgage. The "standard deduction" is higher. I don't itemize. It's not worth it. -- Peace! Om "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain |
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On Sep 14, 7:26*pm, Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:
> To the conservative mind, tax breaks assisting people who already work > are reinforcing the positive in our society: self sufficiency, hard > work, good fiscal planning and responsible procreation. > > Orlando And very often, albeit certainly not always, the forsight to have well- off parents. John Kane Kingston ON Canada |
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I wasn't sure I wanted to weigh in on this conversation, but I think I
will. I have been the director of a food pantry for 18 years. Because we are given government surplus food, we must follow the government guidelines for eligibility. These are the income eligibility limits ( in NH) : family of one = $19,240 two = $25,900 five = $45,880 eight = $65,860 If someone comes in with a gross household income under these amounts they are automatically qualified. There are many other aids to the needy besides welfare. I have had very few clients who were actually on state funded welfare. I've had a few on town funded welfare. In my town if you are able to work, and you have received help from the town, they put you to work at the library, or town dump/recycling center, etc to pay back the money. The majority of my clients now are 70+ year old widows. It's heartbreaking sometimes when a new client comes in crying because she is so ashamed to have to ask for help. Their husbands served their country in WW2, they paid their taxes, raised families, worked their butts off their whole lives, and now that they are retired, many are widows living in government subsidized housing, getting their food from a food pantry. They can barely afford their medicines/healthcare. I also see a lot of illiteracy as a reason for public assistance. I have a client who is receiving disability, is almost illiterate, and at 45 years old is now raising her 2 teenaged nephews, one of whom now has a newborn, on $8,000 a year. We have a few "traditional" families (mom & dad + kids) who have no real education beyond high school and no particular job skills who go from job to job to job. When you are the low man on the totem pole, you're usually the first one layed off in a downsizing, so you get another job, where, again, you are low man on the totem pole, get layed off again, and it just goes on forever. They never seem able to get ahead. We have had our share of drug/alcohol problem families too, but they don't seem able to hang around very long to receive aid, because NH is a very expensive place to live. I agree that some families just seem to pass down the tendency to depend on public assistance. Some truly are deserving, some aren't. There's always an element who seem to think they are entitled, but they are the exception, thank God. At least in my experience. I sometimes wish we could pass out birth control, but that's not my role. Some of my clients have been with me for the entire 18 years, coming in every other week for food. There's a segment of society who will never have a better way of life. Social Security and disability checks don't keep up with inflation, the price of gas is depleting any little extra they might have had left over. Many of my seniors live in the same subsidized complex and are now carpooling to the food pantry, and those who are able, are so eager to help me whenever I need help sorting a canned goods drive. A few even have worked with me on a weekly basis. I could never get one of the young clients to help out. It just shows how the older generation still feels that you MUST work for your rewards. I guess my reason for writing is to let you know that some of us are really trying to sort out and help the truly needy. I realize that this is not the same as huge cities dealing with massive welfare problems, but on a smaller scale, it's some of the same types of people. Some you'd like to kick in the butt, most you'd give the shirt off your back to. Please support your local food pantries, sometimes a little extra help in a time of crises is all that's needed to help someone through the toughest time in their lives. Don't get me started on the woman who rolled in in a Lincoln Towncar, waved a W-2 form with an income of over $80,000, for a 2 person family, and almost punched me out, when I informed her that $80,000 was way over the income limit. She insisted that no one could possibly be expected to survive on $80,000 a year, because, after all, that was before taxes. She stormed out fuming when I told her that most of our clients made less than $20,000 a year, before taxes, and had 3 or 4 kids. It takes all kinds. Denise |
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"Saerah Gray" > wrote in message
. 102... > (Denise in NH) fnord news:15622-48CEABBC-2030 > The cost of living in New Hampshire must be very high. I make just under > the guideline for a family of two, and while things are tight, I have no > need for food assitance. I see a whole new breed of Lifestyle Coaches emerging, whose advice will put folks on the road to financial salvation. e.g. meals means washing up, so DON'T buy washing-up LIQUID (water, mostly). Buy the cheapest in-store own brand non-bio POWDERED detergent. It's MUCH cheaper. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ |
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"Gill Smith" > fnord
et: > "Saerah Gray" > wrote in message > . 102... >> (Denise in NH) fnord news:15622-48CEABBC-2030 > >> The cost of living in New Hampshire must be very high. I make just >> under the guideline for a family of two, and while things are tight, >> I have no need for food assitance. > > I see a whole new breed of Lifestyle Coaches emerging, whose advice > will put folks on the road to financial salvation. > > e.g. meals means washing up, so DON'T buy washing-up LIQUID (water, > mostly). Buy the cheapest in-store own brand non-bio POWDERED > detergent. It's MUCH cheaper. Thats a useless tip unless you have a dishwasher  But I bet I would make a really good frugality coach. The idea of charging someone money for that kind of advice is a bit ironic, though. First off, "don't waste your money on 'lifestyle coaches'" -- Saerah "Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!" - some hillbilly from FL |
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"Saerah Gray" > wrote in message
. 102... > "Gill Smith" > fnord > et: > >> "Saerah Gray" > wrote in message >> . 102... >>> (Denise in NH) fnord news:15622-48CEABBC-2030 >> >>> The cost of living in New Hampshire must be very high. I make just >>> under the guideline for a family of two, and while things are tight, >>> I have no need for food assitance. >> >> I see a whole new breed of Lifestyle Coaches emerging, whose advice >> will put folks on the road to financial salvation. >> >> e.g. meals means washing up, so DON'T buy washing-up LIQUID (water, >> mostly). Buy the cheapest in-store own brand non-bio POWDERED >> detergent. It's MUCH cheaper. > > > Thats a useless tip unless you have a dishwasher > > But I bet I would make a really good frugality coach. The idea of > charging someone money for that kind of advice is a bit ironic, though. > First off, "don't waste your money on 'lifestyle coaches'" > No, this only works WITHOUT a dishwasher. Put dirty utensils into a bowl, add hot water, detergent and leave to soak overnight. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ |
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"Michael \"Dog3\"" > fnord
: > Saerah Gray > > news:Xns9B1E4D8A0B042anisaerahoohaycom@ 207.115.17.102: in > rec.food.cooking > >> >> But I bet I would make a really good frugality coach. The idea of >> charging someone money for that kind of advice is a bit ironic, >> though. First off, "don't waste your money on 'lifestyle coaches'" > > Lifestyle coach? First I've heard of such a profession. I wonder if > it is a lucrative field. Seems odd though. Charging people who don't > have any money to show them how to save money. Unless of course the > job is to help people with financial means become more responsible > with their spending habits. > > Michael > I started a blog about cooking frugally, but I wasn't sure of how I should format it (because I cook according to what's on sale), and then my personal life went kablooey and I was too depressed to continue. I have tried to help a number of people save money on food (after they asked how I managed to eat 'better' than they on less money), but when I explained, said it was too much work for them. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. -- Saerah "Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!" - some hillbilly from FL |
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"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
. .. > Saerah Gray > news:Xns9B1E4D8A0B042anisaerahoohaycom@ > 207.115.17.102: in rec.food.cooking > >> >> But I bet I would make a really good frugality coach. The idea of >> charging someone money for that kind of advice is a bit ironic, though. >> First off, "don't waste your money on 'lifestyle coaches'" > > Lifestyle coach? First I've heard of such a profession. I wonder if it > is > a lucrative field. Seems odd though. Charging people who don't have any > money to show them how to save money. Unless of course the job is to help > people with financial means become more responsible with their spending > habits. The New Age of Lifetsyle Coaching is all about getting chemicals, gravity and other people to take as much of the drudgery out your own life as possible. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ |
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"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message . .. > Saerah Gray > news:Xns9B1E4D8A0B042anisaerahoohaycom@ > 207.115.17.102: in rec.food.cooking > >> >> But I bet I would make a really good frugality coach. The idea of >> charging someone money for that kind of advice is a bit ironic, though. >> First off, "don't waste your money on 'lifestyle coaches'" > > Lifestyle coach? First I've heard of such a profession. If you take a look at those free mags, especially the "spiritual, whole earth, healthy living" ones at the entrance to supermarkets, you'll find scads of ads for such types. They also offer themselves as consultants to companies to make their employees happier and more effective at communication etc., etc., ad nauseum. Graham |
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Michael "Dog3" wrote: > Saerah Gray > news:Xns9B1E4D8A0B042anisaerahoohaycom@ > 207.115.17.102: in rec.food.cooking > > > > > But I bet I would make a really good frugality coach. The idea of > > charging someone money for that kind of advice is a bit ironic, though. > > First off, "don't waste your money on 'lifestyle coaches'" > > Lifestyle coach? First I've heard of such a profession. I wonder if it is > a lucrative field. Seems odd though. Charging people who don't have any > money to show them how to save money. Unless of course the job is to help > people with financial means become more responsible with their spending > habits. Here's a "service" that some New Age goof thatI used to know runs. Since the whole concept is pretty lame, I've no idea if he makes a "living" from it. And if you are going after a demographic for this kind of crap, you need to go after a *moneyed* demographic. His business model simply makes no sense. Additionally, I wouldn't describe his lifestyle as "living well", he's a fairly miserable person: http://www.god-dess.com/services5.html "Daily Lifestyle Management I always have lived well, and I want you to, as well, at low cost. Furthermore, there are significant positive environmental ramifications to adopting this way of life. Among the skills I can help you develop to begin to live better a Organization Streamlining Simplification Budgeting Prioritization Efficiency Maximization Communication Enhancement Service ("familial," "customer," other) Specifically, I can discuss your problems over the phone, or (better) visit your home (or office) to help you: Solve storage problems; Evaluate your existing budget and scheduling styles, and perhaps create new ones; Identify areas requiring hands-on simplification, streamline and general organization; Offer advice regarding in-home distribution of labor/responsibility; Develop systems and procedures to make your life easier, more enjoyable, and more leisurely. If living a life that is easier, more enjoyable and more leisurely than it currently is would be of any value to you, contact me..." </> .... |
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Janet Baraclough > fnord
: > The message > > from "Michael \"Dog3\"" > contains these words: > >> Lifestyle coach? First I've heard of such a profession. I wonder if >> it is a lucrative field. > > Very, apparently. It's a service to the affluent; the same kind of > people who employ a personal shopper to help them buy clothes, > designers to decorate and furnish their homes and gardens, > party-organisers to run their social gatherings and a dog-companion to > entertain their pet. > > Send 100 dollars for the first week's special introductory offer and > I'll be your life coach. > > Janet. > > If I ever won the lottery, I would love to do free classes for people on food stamps to show how to stretch their grocery budget. Then again, if I had no reason to be frugal on groceries, I am sure I would still spend less than many people, simply because I'd still cook from scratch -- Saerah "Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!" - some hillbilly from FL |
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Saerah Gray > wrote: > > Don't have babies you cannot support. I know that sounds ruthless, but > > people need to grow the hell up. > > > > Sometimes not being able to support a child happens after that child is > born. A minimum wage job is barely enough to support one adult, let > alone an adult and a child. What do you propose for people who are laid > off from their jobs? > > Unemployment is at 6% right now. Are you proposing that 6% of the > population should starve? No babe I'm not. Support them but also help educate them so they can achieve a better paying job. Just throwing money at the problem won't fix it. I feel that _employing_ them is a better answer. Have them do something for the money they get from the govt. -- Peace! Om "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain |
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Omelet > fnord news
mpomelet-C1DBB6.02224115092008@news.giganews.com: > In article > , > Saerah Gray > wrote: > >> > Don't have babies you cannot support. I know that sounds ruthless, but >> > people need to grow the hell up. >> > >> >> Sometimes not being able to support a child happens after that child is >> born. A minimum wage job is barely enough to support one adult, let >> alone an adult and a child. What do you propose for people who are laid >> off from their jobs? >> >> Unemployment is at 6% right now. Are you proposing that 6% of the >> population should starve? > > No babe I'm not. Support them but also help educate them so they can > achieve a better paying job. Just throwing money at the problem won't > fix it. > > I feel that _employing_ them is a better answer. Have them do something > for the money they get from the govt. Minimum wage doesn't pay the bills. I am barely paying the bills on 13 an hour; which is twice the federal minimum wage. I am all for education, but without a *college* education, or a lot of on-the job training and promotions, (which takes a long time) it's *very* difficult to find a job that can support a family on one income. Even a family of two. -- Saerah "Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!" - some hillbilly from FL |
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Saerah Gray > wrote: > Minimum wage doesn't pay the bills. I am barely paying the bills on 13 > an hour; which is twice the federal minimum wage. > > I am all for education, but without a *college* education, or a lot of > on-the job training and promotions, (which takes a long time) it's > *very* difficult to find a job that can support a family on one income. > Even a family of two. > > -- > Saerah > > "Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!" > - some hillbilly from FL Sometimes even having a college education is no guarantee of a good wage... $14.00 per hour should be a living wage for my relatives, but it's not. Not with today's economy. :-( -- Peace! Om "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain |
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On Sep 15, 10:00*am, Omelet > wrote:
> In article > , > *Saerah Gray > wrote: > > > Minimum wage doesn't pay the bills. I am barely paying the bills on 13 > > an hour; which is twice the federal minimum wage. > > > I am all for education, but without a *college* education, or a lot of > > on-the job training and promotions, (which takes a long time) it's > > *very* difficult to find a job that can support a family on one income. > > Even a family of two. > > > -- > > Saerah > > > "Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! *Adapt or haul ass!" > > - some hillbilly from FL > > Sometimes even having a college education is no guarantee of a good > wage... *$14.00 per hour should be a living wage for my relatives, but > it's not. Not with today's economy. :-( Have a look at the minimum wages across the USA. If $14.00 is not a living wage, the minimum wages; $6.25 in Arkansas or even $7.02 in Colorado is not going to make you rich. Is Kansas at $2.65 for real. If I'm reading the table correctly a lot of states don't require premium pay for overtime either. John Kane Kingston ON Canada John Kane Kingston ON Canada |
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T > wrote: > In article >, > says... > > In article > , > > Saerah Gray > wrote: > > > > > Minimum wage doesn't pay the bills. I am barely paying the bills on 13 > > > an hour; which is twice the federal minimum wage. > > > > > > I am all for education, but without a *college* education, or a lot of > > > on-the job training and promotions, (which takes a long time) it's > > > *very* difficult to find a job that can support a family on one income. > > > Even a family of two. > > > > > > -- > > > Saerah > > > > > > "Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!" > > > - some hillbilly from FL > > > > Sometimes even having a college education is no guarantee of a good > > wage... $14.00 per hour should be a living wage for my relatives, but > > it's not. Not with today's economy. :-( > > > > $80 an hour seems to cover it. When we negotiated I almost fell out of > my chair when they accepted my per hour rate. > > Going from unemployment insurace to this sure is nice. Congrats. My base pay is only $23.00 per hour. Fortunately I work night shifts... -- Peace! Om "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." --Mark Twain |
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says... > In article >, > T > wrote: > > > In article >, > > says... > > > In article > , > > > Saerah Gray > wrote: > > > > > > > Minimum wage doesn't pay the bills. I am barely paying the bills on 13 > > > > an hour; which is twice the federal minimum wage. > > > > > > > > I am all for education, but without a *college* education, or a lot of > > > > on-the job training and promotions, (which takes a long time) it's > > > > *very* difficult to find a job that can support a family on one income. > > > > Even a family of two. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Saerah > > > > > > > > "Welcome to Usenet, Biatch! Adapt or haul ass!" > > > > - some hillbilly from FL > > > > > > Sometimes even having a college education is no guarantee of a good > > > wage... $14.00 per hour should be a living wage for my relatives, but > > > it's not. Not with today's economy. :-( > > > > > > > $80 an hour seems to cover it. When we negotiated I almost fell out of > > my chair when they accepted my per hour rate. > > > > Going from unemployment insurace to this sure is nice. > > Congrats. My base pay is only $23.00 per hour. Fortunately I work night > shifts... > Thanks. I've got 16 years in the field so that has to count for something. The only thing that sucks is the commute. I leave Providence at 6:30AM and don't get in the office until about 9AM. |
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On Sep 15, 11:19*pm, Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:
> wrote: > >Support them but also help educate them so they can > >achieve a better paying job. > > Educate them how exactly? By overcrowding schools even more than they > currently are? By hiring more inexperienced underqualified teachers and > paying them less? By insisting on abstinence only prerequisites for > federal funding when that propaganda clearly doesn't prevent sexual > activity? How exactly do you plan to educate poor people more? You know > that it's going to cost more, right? > > >Just throwing money at the problem won't > >fix it. > > Funny, throwing water at thirsty people tends to fix their thirst. > Throwing air conditioning at hot people makes them sweat less. It would > stand to reason that giving the poor more money would alleviate some > poverty. > > >I feel that _employing_ them is a better answer. Have them do something > >for the money they get from the govt. > > Will you watch their kids while they're out earning their keep? Will you > drive them to and from job sites because they can't afford vehicles of > their own? > > Orlando Frankly, if I ruled the world, I'd neuter and spay them, and any that proved to be ineducable would find work sorting recyclables and similar dirty jobs. Their children would be turned over to someone competent to raise them. However, in the real world, that's not an option. It's a thorny problem, because it's difficult to educate people who don't value education. That is a problem at more than one socioeconomic level. Cindy Hamilton |
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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > Frankly, if I ruled the world, I'd neuter and spay them, and any that > proved > to be ineducable would find work sorting recyclables and similar dirty > jobs. Their children would be turned over to someone competent to > raise them. > > However, in the real world, that's not an option. It's a thorny > problem, because > it's difficult to educate people who don't value education. That is a > problem at > more than one socioeconomic level. Therein lies the main problem. Jails are full of uneducated guys and some will jump on the low education rates in jails to claim that educating people would better equip them to live a productive live. Most of them had the opportunity to attend school and get a proper education but they weren't interested. They skipped classes, fooled around in class, neglected their studies and dropped out. They were given the opportunity but they weren't interested. They would rather have a good time than sit in school. Let's face it, people of some cultures have place much more value in education than others. |
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Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
> >> given the opportunity but they weren't interested. They would rather >> have a good time than sit in school. Let's face it, people of some >> cultures have place much more value in education than others. > > Most other cultures anticipate that not everyone will want to be > educated. Yet, that does not stop those stop value education from completing high school and going on to college. They know that some people will not have jobs and that some people will have to fill the lowest positions... but it won't be them. >The problem with the American paradigm is that we seem to > think education is the solution to all problems. I know plenty of > college educated people who are barely getting by, which was not the end > their high school recruiters promised. Imagine how much worse it could be for them without the education. While a high school diploma or a college degree is not a guarantee of a successful and financially rewarding career, it is generally a requirement. > As for young men goofing off and > skipping class, try putting yourself in their mindset. If you saw all > around you how unstable the job market is and how difficult it is to get > and keep jobs, Sure, some people will see that an feel that they are wasting their time because there is nothing out there for them. Other's will be inspired to work that much harder to get out of that situation. Some are bright enough to realize that in order to win they at least have to try. Every year thousands of people compete in the Boston Marathon, but only one of them is going to win. You don't have any chance at all if you don't try. > combined with bloated school bureaucracies and As if the kids know about the bureaucracy. > disinterested teachers, wouldn't having fun with your friends make more > sense in the short run? Not all teachers are disinterested, but who can blame some of those who become that way after years of dealing with students who don't care and who disrespect their teachers. >Bottom line, people who choose not to stay in > school should be able to make a living too. They should be able to "make a living" as in working to earn a wage, or they should be able to sit back and collect money from the government because they are unemployable? |
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On Sep 16, 10:28*am, Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:
> wrote: > >Therein lies the main problem. Jails are full of uneducated *guys and > >some will jump on the low education rates in jails to claim that > >educating people would better equip them to live a productive live. > >Most of them had the opportunity to attend school and get a proper > >education but they weren't interested. They skipped classes, fooled > >around in class, neglected their studies and dropped out. *They were > >given the opportunity but they weren't interested. They would rather > >have a good time than sit in school. Let's face it, people of some > >cultures have place much more value in education than others. > > Most other cultures anticipate that not everyone will want to be > educated. The problem with the American paradigm is that we seem to > think education is the solution to all problems. I know plenty of > college educated people who are barely getting by, which was not the end > their high school recruiters promised. Education will solve plenty of problems, especially if "education" is defined as basic literacy and numeracy. However, even that is poorly valued, and you can see that in the grade schools, before kids even think about what they're going to do when they growup. > As for young men goofing off and > skipping class, try putting yourself in their mindset. If you saw all > around you how unstable the job market is and how difficult it is to get > and keep jobs, combined with bloated school bureaucracies and > disinterested teachers, wouldn't having fun with your friends make more > sense in the short run? Bottom line, people who choose not to stay in > school should be able to make a living too. What value do they have to employers? If they have no skills or discipline, what is the point in hiring them? Most jobs have wages commensurate with their difficulty; people who can only do simple jobs can only draw meager wages. I'm not saying that everything is the fault of the kids--I'm saying that everything is the fault of everyone: parents, for not emphasizing the importance of education schools, for teaching poorly and spending money foolishly kids, for taking the easy way out the media, for denigrating intelligence and education and glorifying mediocrity government, for wasting its money and resources Cindy Hamilton |
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