On Mon, 5 May 2008, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On May 2, 11:03*am, "(David P.)" > wrote:
>
>> *MISTAKE #1
>>
>> You?re overloading on produce Sure, making one big grocery run at the
>> start of *week seems like a no-fail way to get your five a day. After
>> all, if those carrots, greens, apples, & berries are around, you?ll eat
>> more of them & therefore get more nutrients, right? Wrong. ?The
>> vitamins & minerals in fruits and veggies begin to diminish the moment
>> they?re harvested,? says Geri Brewster, a wellness consultant at
>> Northern Westchester Hosp. in Mt. Kisco, New York. That means the
>> longer you store produce, the fewer nutrients it will contain. After
>> about a week in the fridge, for example, spinach retains just half of
>> its folate and around 60 % of its lutein (an antioxidant associated w/
>> healthy eyes), concludes a study in the Journal of Food Science.
>> Broccoli loses about 62 percent of its flavonoids (antioxidant
>> compounds that help ward off cancer & heart disease) within 10 days,
>> according to a study in the Journal of Agricultural & Food Chemistry.
>> ?Yer better off buyin' smaller batches at least twice a week,?
>
> Exactly how often do you think produce is picked? The broccoli that I
> buy on Saturday arrived on the same darned truck as the broccoli that I
> buy on Wednesday. It had the same trip from California to Michigan.

Bear in mind that MISTAKE #2 was about how keeping milk in a transparent
container leaves it vulnerable to light. If the author hasn't realised
that the little light goes off when you close the fridge door, expecting
them to understand the details of how food gets to the shops is probably a
bit optimistic.

tom

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Tom Anderson > wrote:
>
> #2 was about how keeping milk in a transparent
> container leaves it vulnerable to light.
> If the author hasn't realised that the light
> goes off when you close the fridge door, ...

Don't you think they were referring to when
the container is left out on the table
during the meal, exposed to light?
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On Mon, 5 May 2008 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT), "(David P.)"
> wrote:

>Tom Anderson > wrote:
>>
>> #2 was about how keeping milk in a transparent
>> container leaves it vulnerable to light.
>> If the author hasn't realised that the light
>> goes off when you close the fridge door, ...
>
>Don't you think they were referring to when
>the container is left out on the table
>during the meal, exposed to light?

more important is the time it spends under lights in the grocery store.
I have read that up to 50% of the vitamin B2 (riboflavin), A, and D can
be lost in just 24 hours of exposure to fluorescent light.


Robert Klute
Not a food scientist, so I can only say I read it on the Internet so it
must be true.

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>,
"(David P.)" > wrote:

> Tom Anderson > wrote:
> >
> > #2 was about how keeping milk in a transparent
> > container leaves it vulnerable to light.
> > If the author hasn't realised that the light
> > goes off when you close the fridge door, ...
>
> Don't you think they were referring to when
> the container is left out on the table
> during the meal, exposed to light?
> .
> .
> --

It is also exposed to light at the store in those glass doored
refrigerators. I don't drink milk tho' so I don't care.
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On Mon, 5 May 2008 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT), "(David P.)"
> wrote:

>Tom Anderson > wrote:
>>
>> #2 was about how keeping milk in a transparent
>> container leaves it vulnerable to light.
>> If the author hasn't realised that the light
>> goes off when you close the fridge door, ...
>
>Don't you think they were referring to when
>the container is left out on the table
>during the meal, exposed to light?

If that's the case, then you should be more concerned about the lack
of refrigeration.


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On Mon, 5 May 2008, (David P.) wrote:

> Tom Anderson > wrote:
>
>> #2 was about how keeping milk in a transparent container leaves it
>> vulnerable to light. If the author hasn't realised that the light goes
>> off when you close the fridge door, ...
>
> Don't you think they were referring to when the container is left out on
> the table during the meal, exposed to light?

No, actually, i think it was referring to storing dry foods in transparent
containers on the worktop. After the initial mention of milk, that's what
the article talks about.

I do think this is all hokum, though.

tom

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Could you people please stop cross-posting this thread to unrelated groups?


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On Mon, 5 May 2008 23:20:56 -0500, "Ken" > wrote:

>
>Could you people please stop cross-posting this thread to unrelated groups?

Just curious... are you from talk.bizarre?

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sf wrote:
> On Mon, 5 May 2008 23:20:56 -0500, "Ken" > wrote:
>
>> Could you people please stop cross-posting this thread to unrelated groups?
>
> Just curious... are you from talk.bizarre?
>
.... hint: people in my gropus KNOW it is impossible to stop a croddpodt

b

Ken wrote:
>
> Could you people please stop cross-posting this thread to unrelated groups?
>
>
.... ken, Ken, KEN!!! it's way too late for that. you act like an
inexperienced luser ^H^H^H^H^H user. let me clue you in: your server
connect your people to the internet.

if , say, one of your people cross post a post to 3 other groups
and ... um ... um ... where am i going with this???

b

In article > ,
Tom Anderson > wrote:

> On Mon, 5 May 2008, (David P.) wrote:
>
> > Tom Anderson > wrote:
> >
> >> #2 was about how keeping milk in a transparent container leaves it
> >> vulnerable to light. If the author hasn't realised that the light goes
> >> off when you close the fridge door, ...
> >
> > Don't you think they were referring to when the container is left out on
> > the table during the meal, exposed to light?
>
> No, actually, i think it was referring to storing dry foods in transparent
> containers on the worktop. After the initial mention of milk, that's what
> the article talks about.
>
> I do think this is all hokum, though.
>
> tom

No, it's not. especially if you use fluorescent fixtures or bulbs like
many do now. There is more UV and it DOES influence some vitamin content.
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On Tue, 6 May 2008, Omelet wrote:

> In article > ,
> Tom Anderson > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, (David P.) wrote:
>>
>>> Tom Anderson > wrote:
>>>
>>>> #2 was about how keeping milk in a transparent container leaves it
>>>> vulnerable to light. If the author hasn't realised that the light goes
>>>> off when you close the fridge door, ...
>>>
>>> Don't you think they were referring to when the container is left out on
>>> the table during the meal, exposed to light?
>>
>> No, actually, i think it was referring to storing dry foods in transparent
>> containers on the worktop. After the initial mention of milk, that's what
>> the article talks about.
>>
>> I do think this is all hokum, though.
>
> No, it's not. especially if you use fluorescent fixtures or bulbs like
> many do now. There is more UV and it DOES influence some vitamin
> content.

You show me someone who's got rickets because fluorescent lights destroyed
the vitamin D in their milk, or a population in which the frequency of
rickets, or any other malnutrition disorder, has increased because of the
use of fluorescent lights, and i'll take my statement back.

Until then, i maintain that it's hokum.

tom

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In article >,
Tom Anderson > wrote:

> On Tue, 6 May 2008, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article > ,
> > Tom Anderson > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 5 May 2008, (David P.) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Tom Anderson > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> #2 was about how keeping milk in a transparent container leaves it
> >>>> vulnerable to light. If the author hasn't realised that the light goes
> >>>> off when you close the fridge door, ...
> >>>
> >>> Don't you think they were referring to when the container is left out on
> >>> the table during the meal, exposed to light?
> >>
> >> No, actually, i think it was referring to storing dry foods in transparent
> >> containers on the worktop. After the initial mention of milk, that's what
> >> the article talks about.
> >>
> >> I do think this is all hokum, though.
> >
> > No, it's not. especially if you use fluorescent fixtures or bulbs like
> > many do now. There is more UV and it DOES influence some vitamin
> > content.
>
> You show me someone who's got rickets because fluorescent lights destroyed
> the vitamin D in their milk, or a population in which the frequency of
> rickets, or any other malnutrition disorder, has increased because of the
> use of fluorescent lights, and i'll take my statement back.
>
> Until then, i maintain that it's hokum.
>
> tom

Considering other sources of vitamin D (including sunlight), I'll
concede that it's not a big deal. ;-)
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Dnia 2008-05-06 Tom Anderson napisa³(a):
> On Tue, 6 May 2008, Omelet wrote:
>
>> In article > ,
>> Tom Anderson > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, (David P.) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tom Anderson > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> #2 was about how keeping milk in a transparent container leaves it
>>>>> vulnerable to light. If the author hasn't realised that the light goes
>>>>> off when you close the fridge door, ...
>>>>
>>>> Don't you think they were referring to when the container is left out on
>>>> the table during the meal, exposed to light?
>>>
>>> No, actually, i think it was referring to storing dry foods in transparent
>>> containers on the worktop. After the initial mention of milk, that's what
>>> the article talks about.
>>>
>>> I do think this is all hokum, though.
>>
>> No, it's not. especially if you use fluorescent fixtures or bulbs like
>> many do now. There is more UV and it DOES influence some vitamin
>> content.
>
> You show me someone who's got rickets because fluorescent lights destroyed
> the vitamin D in their milk,

They should get a suntan first, and it so happens, that vitamin D is
synthesized in the skin, so IF fluorescent light destroys vit D in the
milk, it will synthesize it in your skin.

What a bunch of concentrated nonsense, but funny.

> or a population in which the frequency of
> rickets, or any other malnutrition disorder, has increased because of the
> use of fluorescent lights, and i'll take my statement back.
>
> Until then, i maintain that it's hokum.

Of course it is, but mainly because UV is absorbed by normal glass.

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In article >,
Andrzej Rosa > wrote:

> > You show me someone who's got rickets because fluorescent lights destroyed
> > the vitamin D in their milk,
>
> They should get a suntan first, and it so happens, that vitamin D is
> synthesized in the skin, so IF fluorescent light destroys vit D in the
> milk, it will synthesize it in your skin.
>
> What a bunch of concentrated nonsense, but funny.
>
> > or a population in which the frequency of
> > rickets, or any other malnutrition disorder, has increased because of the
> > use of fluorescent lights, and i'll take my statement back.
> >
> > Until then, i maintain that it's hokum.
>
> Of course it is, but mainly because UV is absorbed by normal glass.

Good points. ;-)

Since I work nights tho', I don't get much (if any) sun.
I supplement Vitamin A&D in gelcaps. It's encapsulated fish liver oil.

I don't drink milk. At all. I get some dairy from cheese, and
occasionally cottage cheese or yogurt.

I don't worry about Calcium as I also take a good balanced mineral
supplement daily.
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Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2008-05-06 Tom Anderson napisa³(a):
>> On Tue, 6 May 2008, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article > ,
>>> Tom Anderson > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008, (David P.) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tom Anderson > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> #2 was about how keeping milk in a transparent container leaves it
>>>>>> vulnerable to light. If the author hasn't realised that the light goes
>>>>>> off when you close the fridge door, ...
>>>>> Don't you think they were referring to when the container is left out on
>>>>> the table during the meal, exposed to light?
>>>> No, actually, i think it was referring to storing dry foods in transparent
>>>> containers on the worktop. After the initial mention of milk, that's what
>>>> the article talks about.
>>>>
>>>> I do think this is all hokum, though.
>>> No, it's not. especially if you use fluorescent fixtures or bulbs like
>>> many do now. There is more UV and it DOES influence some vitamin
>>> content.
>> You show me someone who's got rickets because fluorescent lights destroyed
>> the vitamin D in their milk,
>
> They should get a suntan first, and it so happens, that vitamin D is
> synthesized in the skin, so IF fluorescent light destroys vit D in the
> milk, it will synthesize it in your skin.
>
> What a bunch of concentrated nonsense, but funny.
>
>> or a population in which the frequency of
>> rickets, or any other malnutrition disorder, has increased because of the
>> use of fluorescent lights, and i'll take my statement back.
>>
>> Until then, i maintain that it's hokum.
>
> Of course it is, but mainly because UV is absorbed by normal glass.

.... no! it omly *seems* that way.in reality, the light is absorbed
ans refracted to a new dimension.

b
ps;
this is true
>

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>On Mon, 5 May 2008, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On May 2, 11:03 am, "(David P.)" > wrote:
>>
>>> MISTAKE #1
>>>
>>> You?re overloading on produce Sure, making one big grocery run at the
>>> start of week seems like a no-fail way to get your five a day. After
>>> all, if those carrots, greens, apples, & berries are around, you?ll eat
>>> more of them & therefore get more nutrients, right? Wrong. ?The
>>> vitamins & minerals in fruits and veggies begin to diminish the moment
>>> they?re harvested,? says Geri Brewster, a wellness consultant at
>>> Northern Westchester Hosp. in Mt. Kisco, New York. That means the
>>> longer you store produce, the fewer nutrients it will contain. After
>>> about a week in the fridge, for example, spinach retains just half of
>>> its folate and around 60 % of its lutein (an antioxidant associated w/
>>> healthy eyes), concludes a study in the Journal of Food Science.
>>> Broccoli loses about 62 percent of its flavonoids (antioxidant
>>> compounds that help ward off cancer & heart disease) within 10 days,
>>> according to a study in the Journal of Agricultural & Food Chemistry.
>>> ?Yer better off buyin' smaller batches at least twice a week,?
>>
>> Exactly how often do you think produce is picked? The broccoli that I
>> buy on Saturday arrived on the same darned truck as the broccoli that I
>> buy on Wednesday. It had the same trip from California to Michigan.
>
>Bear in mind that MISTAKE #2 was about how keeping milk in a transparent
>container leaves it vulnerable to light. If the author hasn't realised
>that the little light goes off when you close the fridge door, expecting
>them to understand the details of how food gets to the shops is probably a
>bit optimistic.

I thought of that, but the milk does spend some time on the store shelves prior
to going into your refrigerator.

Banty